RE: "Why is there a lifelong stigma attached to someone who worked as a stripper?" (Why society doesn't respect sex workers)

[MCheetah]

Here is a MyTake version of the long answer I wrote on an old GAG post about why "there is a stigma" to sex work. It's similar to another MyTake I wrote two months ago about this topic and OnlyFans.

The 30-35 year old female asker:
"Why is there a lifelong stigma attached to someone who worked as a stripper?"

"I spent several years of my life working as a stripper. Now I want to settle down and get married. My problem is that whenever I meet a guy, start dating, and I think he might be The One, something happens. Whenever I tell him about my past as a stripper, guys automatically change. Suddenly it's like I'm no longer me, but some trashy whore in their eyes and they either break up with me or they decide that I must be
bisexual and want to add other women to our bedroom activities, want group sex,
or they start accusing me of prostituting and cheating on them and dump me."

"Why is there a stigma to sex workers? Why don't they get respect?" Because you sold your ass, self respect, dignity, and brains for sex work. Them's the rules. You don't get to sell all of your self-worth and dignity for quick and easy cash by being a professional piece of ass, and then whine when no one respects you.

MOST women on the planet don't have to resort to sex work, and although we live in the Age of Simps where women expect men to give them money for wiping their ass, reality is always one harsh b*ch-slap away.

"[Guys see me as nothing] but some trashy whore in their eyes and they either break up with me or they decide that I must be [gay]. [Or accuse] me of prostituting and cheating on them and dump me."

YES! No sh*t! That's basically how you made your actual living in life, for YEARS. Don't whine about it now that your looks have faded. If you wanted respect, you should've gone to college.

"When I am in a serious relationship I am loyal."

No one is going to believe that, and no one has any right to. Again, YOU SOLD ALL OF THAT FOR QUICK AND EASY CASH. Trust takes a long time to build, but can collapse and be destroyed very quickly.

"I wish I could tell anyone considering being a stripper, not to do it because you'll never be able to escape your tarnished image."

NO SH*T! Everyone knows this! This is why most women (and men) DON'T DO THIS KIND OF WORK! You sold your soul to the devil! You don't get sympathy now!

And you know what? I don't even hate strippers. But back in the 90s and 2000s, sex workers knew full well what they were getting into. They didn't have simps to wipe their ass for them, but pimps to keep them humble. Sex workers didn't sit around and complain about "No one likes me! No one respects me! Waaaaah!"

I can respect someone who's a hustler and knows they're not a good person, then a narcissistic asshole who used and exploited men for years, and then wants everyone to respect them and think of them as some kind of "good person" after that.

Imagine the man who blew his life savings on OnlyFans and strippers asking the world to stop judging him harshly and to demand everyone respects him, regardless of his stupid life choices. Oh? What's that? You mean the Johns and simps of sex work don't get sympathy or respect from their lame sob stories? Well color me Colin! I'll be dipped in pig's sh*t! You don't say?

Like I said, trust is not easy to build up, and respect is even harder. Every single man out there (unless born to billionaires or some other elitist prick) starts at the bottom level when it comes to respect and trust. And he has to build himself up in society. Women pretty much start with a ton of bonus respect just for being female and it's pretty unfair. But sex workers sell ALL of that, to become a flesh bag and cum dumpster, and reduce their public standing to a negative level. So your reputation and respect is now at -150. Good luck bringing it back up...

And I have known people in the sex industry, too. And even on GAG. My female best friend became a popular porn star. For a minute, I thought you were a girl I know here on GAG who used to do that kind of work (but has cleaned up her life since then). I'm just telling you - and them - the cold honest truth. I'm not wiping your ass or simping to you like you're used to so many men doing.

You sold all your respect and dignity in society to become a sex object. You told society that you don't have a brain or job skills or anything else to offer the world but your body. If you want people to start seeing you as that again, you've got a long road ahead of you. Maybe one day, you'll get back to 0 reputation like guys begin at. Maybe one day, you'll be back to the 200 level that all women start off at. And maybe one day, men will see you as a smart, funny, honest person again. ... MAYBE. I mean, hey, it worked for Sasha Grey. She has a sense of humor and comes off likeable. Not so much or Mia Khalifa, though...

TL;DR:
You don't sell your soul to the Devil and then ask him for a refund.

Sex work is shamed for a reason, but if you're going to do that shady, sleazy kind of work, at least own up to it and stop asking society for validation and applause for being a cheap whore with no valuable skills to society. Either do it or don't.

[Red-Blaze]

You seem to really project here without looking into any of it
I personally see selling my body as cheaping it, and there for will never do it, I care for my body a lot, and take care of it
How ever its society that really give me that head space not reality

And lets put stuff into prespative
Not all strippers are in it for the easy cash
Some do it simply as showing off there body is not cheap in there eyes

Will you shame a man that was born strong that decide to work in lifting friges? do the army? work as a body builder? any job that is about carrying havey stuff?
There selling there bodys as well and damaging it dont they?
What about actors in movies?

You got a stigma on sex.. and decide that if someone sell there body to that pleaure there so its diffrent?

Also dont take it into someone entire life, its a job and its how anyone that work in it see it
Same like someone may be a orginized labrator yet have a dump messy house
thats there job, thats there life, you feel and see each diffrently when you work same with that

[MCheetah]

"Will you shame a man that was born strong that decide to work in lifting [fridges]? What about actors in movies?" A strongman isn't exploiting addicts for money and giving them, or society, nothing in return. This pathetic shameless society of manchildren and womanchildren can make as many excuses for their shitty actions and behavior as they want; it doesn't change facts and reality. Only cuck, simp, and loser men try to justify this kind of behavior from women.(Not saying that's you; but why so many women think this is all of a sudden "acceptable." Because of cucks and simps.) "Also don't take it into someone entire life, its a job" No. It's an extension of one's personality, behavior, actions, and mindset. Which is why people don't just say "Don't take a criminal and mugger's job as being their whole life; it's just a job." If it was "just a job," we wouldn't be having this conversation right now and there wouldn't be a justified "stigma" on people selling themselves as cheap and useless cum dumpsters, and yet somehow thinking they're owed applause and accolades from it just because pimps don't exist to keep them in check anymore.

[MCheetah]

Also, just to clarify, I said if someone wants to do sex work, they can. But this arrogant-as-fuck idea that sex workers are owed massive truck-tons of respect and prestige for it, is what I said I had a problem with. Which all the simps and cucks who'll respond to this post, will totally miss. I even explained how this wasn't an issue before until pimps were replaced with simps. Now every whore on OnlyFans thinks they're as important as heart surgeons and owed free money from the sky just for existing and having holes they're willing to be drilled in. No healthy society promotes this kind of behavior that prevents families, happiness, and self-respect. Not that Western civilization hasn't been collapsing for the past 15 years, anyway...

[Red-Blaze]

So first this is not about the sex idntestery at all but about OnlyFans and the like Because I am pretty sure no whore out there going around seeing her job as a selfless act she should be honored for Regardless your mixing stuff that are not connected on this Your fine with sex workers I got that right? But your not ok with once with fame that are strippers?

[MCheetah]

No. The asker asked about strippers, and I talked about sex work, as a whole. Stripping, prostitution, escorting, porn, nude modeling, etc, is all sex work. "Because I am pretty sure no whore out there going around seeing her job as a selfless act she should be honored for." Are you kidding me? That's literally every girl on OnlyFans. That's modern day sex workers in general. You couldn't be more wrong about that. And yes, that's what I'm talking about. This idea that not only should sex work not be stigmatized, that it's "empowering" and "honorable" work.

[Red-Blaze]

Ok first you talking about OnlyFans be the same or not its not seen in the same eye by most, and lamping them as one makes it hard to talk about as you mixing two different views into one So if we talking about OnlyFans lets talk about OnlyFans without mixing the outer parts that don't hold to what you say as much as I know And why is that different? A news caster and a Youtuber are not the same thing A news caster go to a job where he reads the news, his face is known, but for the most part people are there for content his company gives not him Youtuber on the outer hand is a personality and people are mostly there for them, there kind of like movie stars in a way You can separate the same in here OnlyFans girls are not untitled them self as of them doing sex work, but as them being "Internet Famous" So its different on that then the general sex indestruy out there that is not really looking for all that fame and so on So mixing them is shooting your self and any discussion in the fiot

[Red-Blaze]

*foot

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze
Well, it's your opinion that OnlyFans is just "content creation" and not actual sex work, but OF the site, and OF girls, market themselves as sex workers. I personally, don't even consider it sex work, as it involves no sex, and no actual work, whatsoever. OF is way, way, way less respectful than actual sex work, as at actual sex work is hustling and actually DOING something.

But *they* do consider it the same as sex work. And they also are the ones demanding the most prestige and respect, ironically despite being the laziest of the lazy "sex workers" out there. I posted this before on here, but an actual porn star once said how OF girls are pathetic because they're just looking for handouts for doing nothing and "every girl thinks their pussy is special and entitled them to $5K a month." I agree with her.



My whole point is, if one is going to do sex work, no one has to kiss your ass and respect you for it either, because it's just street hustling and scamming people instead of real work. I don't see it as any different than bootlegging or drug dealing, since "the original OnlyFans girls" were prostitutes and porn stars.

Maybe it's my age showing that I actually remember how sex workers were in the same category as drug dealers, and not in the same category as movie stars and YouTubers, like you're implying these girls are saying. At least back in the day, sex workers could admit they weren't good honorable people doing "valuable work for society." Unlike now.

[Red-Blaze]

Where the hell did you find out me saying "OnlyFans is just "content creation"" I never said anything like that, you completely miss understand my post there if you think that First I said that its different then nowmal sex work, that you seem to put both here as one in the same in your main post, that was what I was mostly pointing to That its not, same as YouTuber they got "internet famous" and that is most likely where there "fame" is coming form, not from the sex action them self at all that is separated from that What I am trying to say is your mixing both whores, strippers and OnlyFans as one is just off by so many things Not Strippers or Whores are likely to think them self higher then what pretty much any job out there think them self high, but OnlyFans on the other hand got there "fame" that will give them that feeling Your assumption about how little work they need to do is also off, the big OnlyFan girls likely take a nice amount of work, like the one that sold her bath water thing, that is not something any girl out there can pull off, you may be able to sell it, but she got the internet to market the hell out That is honestly brilliant and likely takes some work OnlyFans also needs work, you don't get lots of payment just for looking good, not really, you need to be really lucky, or know how to push and advertise your self to sell your self, after all there not the only once and there are just so much $$$ of simps to go around I am not over all disagreeing with you, they don't need to be entitled at all I don't think, but on the other hand its still BS that they don't need to do some work, or/and do have some fame where ever it is Point is some YouTubers out there learn that as well over time, thinking they can get out of anything because there famous that many times found out to not really work like that

[MCheetah]

You're basically trying to argue OF requires "marketing" and I am telling you, no, it does not. Girls on here have talked about, if not bragged about, how easy OF is. Someone I went to high school, is now doing OF despite her being 34 (although still in shape and fit). She does NOTHING but sit on her ass and collect paychecks. Five grand a month for some PG-13 Instagram BS. And then society wants to celebrate lazy, vapid, narcissitic, parasitic whores and act like they're on the level of surgeons, military personnel, and firefighters. THIS is what I am talking about, and it's insane. You make it that there is a distinction between OF attention whores and "regular sex workers." As I said, I've grown up with and been around sex workers long before OF. My best friend growing up, Courtney, became a big porn star. She went from being a total angelic sweetheart, to the complete opposite. That industry destroyed her. Of course, we had stopped being friend by the time she joined at 18, so I didn't stop her from entering it. I used to be a bouncer and worked at bars, nightclubs, and at one point, a strip club. Racist-ass Delilah's in Philly on Spring Garden. And I knew strippers personally by name. Madison, Bayley, Eliza, and "tall Ashley" (not "short Ashley.") One girl I knew as a close friend was a part-time independent escort on Eros. com, and I didn't find this out until I had known her for months. She admitted she was an asshole though and "trying to change," so her being a sex worker was hardly surprising.

[MCheetah]

(cont'd) ... The one thing in common is: They all had ego and all thought they were entitled to money from loser men. And IF they could admit to being parasites and generally scummy women who exploited men because some men in the past used and abused them, then so be it. The problem with the new generation of brats on OnlyFans is, they have such massive ego and entitlement, in addition to also being extremely lazy. At least the 90s and 2000s sex workers didn't have this ultra fake veneer of being pseudo-sex work, while thinking they should be worshipped for it by all of non-simp society, as well. It really does make me hate humanity when you have lazy, talentless, vapid, narcissitic, materialistic whores thinking they deserve to be making $100,000 a month because the $10,000 a month they're getting for being a 30-something 5 out of 10 "isn't enough." THAT is the gist of my post.

[MCheetah]

And to clarify, I knew one girl from school, my female best friend, and she became a porn star, retired, and now teaches yoga. She hates OF basically for the same reasons I pointed out (and possibly you, if you're also against it). A separate girl from high school, is doing OF now, and had no prior history doing sex work, and started during the pandemic. She promotes her crap on Facebook, which is how I found out. She's not even attractive either; she's a black Bella Thorne, but slightly less ugly. And what's worse, like I said, is that she's 34 and has a son. Married too, so it's not like she's rally struggling that hard. She's ruining her family's life doing this and doesn't care because she's selfish.

[Tdieseler]

lol..."born strong"... no one is born strong @red-blaze they earn it, but women are born with parts... and some decide to sell it to people exchange for money. People who EARN strength, apply that strength to something in order to gain money. see the difference? One got it free and exploited it, another EARNED it, then used it to do something to earn money.

@mcheetah as much as im a true believer of what you preach, i like looking at the other side of things, gives more perspective. in my article
What I think will crash the World Economy (Diesel's Rantisode) Ep 6 ↗
as much as i dislike the fact that women can just sell body parts for ridiculous amounts of money, the people i hate even more are the moronic men (simps) who shell out the ridiculous amounts of money. Shaming, advising, asking, pleading etc with women (or men) who go into sex work won't really do much... as long as someone is willing to pay for it, someone is going to be willing to sell.

The right approach to stopping sex work, is simply by stopping the simps who pay for it.
When the women or men who sell their body find out that no one is buying, they will start applying themselves to other more legitimate lines of work.

[RadThadd]

@Tdieseler Lock em all up. Just like people who sell drugs and people who buy them. Two shit stains on the same shoe!

[globetrotter22]

Just a FYI no man is “born” strong unless they are some sort of freak like Andre the Giant. However even he had to train hard to perform in pro wrestling. No some men are just pre-dispositioned to be athletic but they have to exercise very intensely to build themselves up. That requires pain, discipline and sacrifice. Also having a job doing construction, being in the military or being a professional athlete requires sacrifice that the vast majority of people can’t endure. I was born under athletic and worked my ass off to later become a professional MMA fighter in my 20s. Training my ass off to get locked in a cage with another guy who wants to take my head off is a far cry from getting naked in front of people and/or being a prostitute. But i can tell you right now most strippers make more money than all the occupations I listed above. I can also tell you that if guys were in more demand by women for stripping, porn or being male escort than trust me probably lots more guys would do it. There is a dynamic for gay men with all that. But most guys are straight. Anyway for every guy who can use his body sexually for a living there are probably at least 200 women who can do the same.

[globetrotter22]

All a female stripper has to do is: not get fat, wear makeup well (some can’t even do that well), swing on a pole, deal with creepy men and pretended to like them (tough but learnable), deal with a minor risk of a dangerous stalker and last but not least endure embarrassment when people find out her occupation. But the last part is not even “supposed” to be an issue anymore. Bottom line is the strippers took the easy way out. Period. I make exceptions for women in 3rd world countries. That’s a different story. Some really do it for survival. But western women who do it are either one or a combination of: lazy, deeply insecure about needing attention or addicted to drugs and need fast cash. While I do believe these women can find redemption I absolutely do not agree that they should be “respected” for what they do. That doesn’t mean they should be abused. But you can’t change what’s going in most guys heads when they find out that’s what she does. We look at her as just an object because frankly that’s what she signed up to be.

[Vegasrunner]

@red-blaze The strength anology doesn't make sense. For starters strength is literally something you have to work at while any person w/ a vigina could partake in sex work. There are no babies w/ the strength of children. Secondly being a laborer does not have a direct impact in your relationships the way stripping does. Also being a laborer has never been a path to quick cash so the motivations behind these choices are extremely different.

[Red-Blaze]

Some are born physically build better then outhers You can work on it, ya, but some are born with the genies to be stronger, faster, or look better I don't think any girl for being a girl can be a stripper really if she is really ugly.. she most likely not do the best there The main idea some are born with advantages, will you shame them for using it? Your saying it effects your relationship and lifting dose not that is also just not true You read about them you see many times the "its just a job" that its separate for them from there life outside of it Same with many jobs Alice and Bob are not the same at work and home

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze "The main idea some are born with advantages, will you shame them for using it?" If it's hurting other people and they have plenty of other opportunities to not take the easy way out, then absolutely I will shame them for it. I am street smart enough to be a DAMN good robber and criminal if I wanted to be. Does that mean I should "take advantage" of these situations? To just rob, steal, and hurt others simply because I can? You see, these are called ethics. While some people don't care about ethics or "doing the right thing," the hypocrisy comes in sex work breaking every ethical choice in the book, while they still want back pats and to have their ass kissed in society for it. Like a career criminal and overall POS who gets statues elected in their honor. And before George Floyd, I would've said that's equally insane as a sex worker who thinks she should be held in high regard in society. My whole point has never changed: If you do sex work, you're a lazy scumbag taking the easy way out. You have that option, but you MUST accept the consequences that come with it. None of this horse sh*t Mia Khalifa is talking about, where she spent the last ten years literally being a sex object then think people are entitled to take her seriously and pretend like she "has a brain." Hell, most people don't even do this for celebrities; what makes you think a professional cum dumpster is entitled to be a political pundit and tell society how it should be run? @globetrotter22 basically said everything I did, in a shorter version: She signed up to be a whore and a piece of ass; not a diplomat or heart surgeon. Even in this age of simps, respect still has to be earned.

[MCheetah]

Oh, and the other thing to counter one gentleman (simp) said on here: Celebrities, pro athletes, and clowns get paid to entertain people. Does that mean most of us want to marry a celebrity, pro athlete, or professional clown? Sex workers are entertainers, to those who watch them. However, they are on the next level, because their "work" directly involves other men touching them or seeing them on a more intimate level. Other than cucks and simps, most men aren't going to be fine "sharing" his partner with the world. Even if they were a "hands off" sex worker, like a cam girl. There is still no intimacy or trust left, after that. But at the end of the day, sex workers are entertainers, not actual professionals in making love.

[Red-Blaze]

I never said anything about rubbers or the like Or are you saying now that sex work as sex work is crime like rubbery? The way you talk about it here sounds like physical sex is everything in a relationship so if anyone dose sex with someone there now betray it all On that I can't agree, Partner is more then about having sex, its about how you feel, who you care about, if you want the best for them Sex is there, and its something that mentally is great in creating a bound but its not everything And if someone work in it with the knowledge of there partner there is no lost trust, because it can be accepted, without them being simps or nothing Also if some one offer you tomorrow a job, easy money 2 hours work a day of some boxes moving in a cool tunnel, light boxes, and you get paid 10,000$ a month for that and your not restricted from leaving or doing more jobs or anything before or after work hours Will say no? and disrespect someone that take that easy job? I mean honestly are you not basically saying they should be shame for doing something you consider easy?

[Red-Blaze]

I don't think you should seeing someone that work as a sex worker in a bright positive light, but did you know that dose not mean you need to see them in a bad light as well? I think your putting the words of "they need to kiss my ass" to people asking to just be treated like people, not in good or bad light but for who they are not what they do as there job

[MCheetah]

"Or are you saying now that sex work as sex work is crime like [robbery]?" I already said that I do see sex work like street hustling, selling drugs, bootlegging, and any other shady job like that. Cause that's WHAT IT WAS prior to the internet. And sex workers hurt people the same way drug dealers do. Sex workers have their simps and dealers have their addicts. These people still deserve their own fair share of blame for being addicts though, but still. And I said sex is PART of a relationship, but with a sex worker, it's much harder to "trust how they feel, who they care about, and if they want the best for you" because nothing is intimate, private, or exclusive with them. That's why I said only cucks and simps engage in "open relationships" like that. And why few people trust sex workers as partners; they've chosen a career which displays that they can't be trusted, or even be honest with the Johns they're exploiting for cash. Why the hell would a sex worker ever treat a man any different than any of her Johns or simps she's gotten used to, over the years? Do you think most women would trust a a guy who's a known player and cheater? "Also if some one offer you tomorrow a job, easy money 2 hours work a day..." I already explained this. If the job was selling your ass, your dignity, your self-respect and hurting a bunch of losers and addicts in the process, then the job is equally as bad. If it's not doing all that, then you can't compare it to sex work. It's not about sex work merely being "easy," it's about it being parasitic, exploitative, self-degrading, and street-scamming type of work. And I'll say it AGAIN: If people want to be street parasites, they can. It's the OF thot and the ones like them who also think they deserve respect and accolades while still being lazy, selfish, skanky parasites to society.

[Red-Blaze]

Well I guess its a matter of disagreement on the base level then I don't think someone in the sex industry give up there dignity or self respect, they may have, but they don't have to be Its a matter of limits, do they do what ever they asked for money then I can agree But if they have there point to say "Not doing that no matter the cost" they got there self respect They just don't put as much of there self respect on there skin or touching as much as you do And I guess candy stores are evil, advertisers, anyone in the fashion industry, all comedians I mean they are using are addicts to laughter, sweets, and good looks, we should out law anything people want but don't need because its all a crime I guess You said your self sex workers are entertainment And I miss where they break there trust when doing sex work, if they kiss someone "its over, they don't love me", or its only if they get panitrated that makes them untrusted Why will any of that make them less caring or trust worthy? If that is something on agreement that breaks your trust you got a trust issue, and there not it If they do it behind your back, absolutely can be an issue, but if your aware of it before, and you still think that breaks there ability to be trusted... that is just sad because that mean there was no real trust there to begin with Only a pretense of one

[Red-Blaze]

Thanks for the MHO even that we got a disagreement

[Spiritofn]

“Sex addiction” is the worst addiction known to our species. It’s literally the use of pornography that scares me more then a strip club. Your phone is available 24/7 & you can go at it anytime with pornography or a fuxk app, or an escort. It’s horrible, it’s the use of human biology and turning it into a weapon. There ain’t to many large species that don’t have a selected breeding time of the year. This means males generally speaking in are in a constant never ending heat. And women not much better.


All addictions are 10/10 horrible but sex addiction really is maybe the one place god didn’t do a good enough job on.. I had a drug addiction that almost cost me my life over and over again. But sex addiction is messed is up, it can affect any animal not just humans.

[Spiritofn]

But dead ass my opinion women have it easy when it comes to stripping. Men requirements seem to a next level steeper to me… 6’2 + performance body.

[Middleman]

One thing we have forgotten here in the discussion is the belief/views of the church/temple. Why do you think so many men and women dedicate their lives to the understanding of the divine (for thousands of years) as priests/priestesses, monks and nuns? Because many believe in God's eyes your (soul's) purity counts. Just as water tastes good when it is filtered/pure, so the same goes for ones soul. Unfortunately in the eyes of those who have been religiously trained, they will see you as damaged goods. You may not realise it but because of your actions as a stripper, you could have affected the lives of tens of thousands of people (ie. loosened their morals). It may not seem like it, but the loosening of a mindset here, and a loosening of a mindset there may set off a chain reaction. That person who paid for your stripping services could well go and develop a lecherous mindset (or lust) for his neighbour's wife or daughter (which is considered bad in society). That same mindset is also how the development of rapists can come about. With no one there to guide them morally, they may think women are a walkover/doesn't need consent and will do whatever they want with them.

Also morality is linked to mortality (by the way notice how close these two words sound). To many purist beliefs, the length of ones life is linked to the amount of good deeds they've done. Because many know (deep in their heart/soul) our mortality (life) is not determined by yourself, but really by Heaven and the good things one does in life both now and in the past. In China, the main capital is called Tiananmen Square or 'Gate of Heavenly Peace'. If the ancient Chinese/emperors didn't believe in God or a Heaven, they wouldn't have constructed and called it such a place. Same goes for the Vatican. If mankind didn't believe in having good morals that leads to a good life, religion and good deeds/charity wouldn't have existed.

And before anyone tells me 'No, there's no such thing as God' - I personally do believe there is. If you want evidence, look at your body or the Sun. Just as your body is held together by a structure and the miracles of bone, muscle and millions of cells (and molecules/atoms) so do the laws of God. The sun exists to provide growth and life to the trees and plants and water exists to provide life to all beings. There is a structure/hierarchy to everything in life, so there is one also for morals.

[ChooChooHaha]

Soooooo... you really think it's only women? 😂 The men, the children ( anyone under 18). What makes you so sure anyone wants to sell themselves in the first place? And your brilliant way of dealing with it is: give her the scarlet letter S and expect a lifetime of hell from everyone! If they had a way out of poverty other than, don't you think they would?

[RoseyGal]

Forget the sexuality aspect.

What man would look at a former stripper and believe that she would be a decent partner - responsible, reliable, etc. - when she couldn't hold down a REAL job?

Stripper is a no-brain, no-talent job. Literacy isn't required, it's why many immigrant women who can't read or write the majority language get roped into it.

Seriously you can train a chimpanzee to strip

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QEbSo0aI9Q4

[MikeInHawaii]

It is definitely a no brain, no talent job. I’ve known two women under the age of 23 who owned houses free and clear. The were both dancers. When I quit school just short of my fifth college degree and second master’s, it’s hard for me to lecture a nineteen-year-old who makes three times what I do on how to live her life. I will gently give them investment and money management advice.

[HonestAssholeJ]

You haven't experience enough life yet if you think one job or part of your life defines you for the rest.

Situation and circumstance.

I know a sex worker who did it for 1 year to pay for her MD. She's been a doctor for 4 years now. You think anyone cares about her past?

I can't count the amount of strippers I've known that did it to pay for college and completed the degrees living the good life now.

Woman in proverty in other countries pulling themselves out and taking care of their families.

Your words ring hallow and sound like someone who got scammed by a stripper. Know the game or be played.

[MCheetah]

There's not enough mental gymnastics in the world to try to convince me that signing up to be a literal sex object makes you worthy of high praise or respect in society. And I don't go to strip clubs and never have, although I used to be a bouncer at a few of them, and any guy who condones women degrading themselves and still think they're worthy to high respect for doing so, is either a simp with no self-respect themselves, or a pimp just using them to also make money. I already said people can do what they want. But nobody is entitled to respect you for being a cum dumpster and literal sex object. Even men don't get respect for being a sex object (in this case, it'd be gay men), so when people try to imply or claim there's "sexism" involved, I just dismiss them as an idiot (not saying you necessarily did, but it's people's first go-to). To be honest though, the male equivalent of sex work is being a criminal, and I'm not a fan of that being glorified either.

[U4ea0]

Yeah, I'm skeptical of such testimonials as this guy's. I'm a physician and if you go before the licensing board with a history as a sex worker, they are going to deny you a license.

[ChooChooHaha]

People anywhere.

[OlderAndWiser]

Q. "Why must I pay the consequences of bad decisions that I made when I was young? I wanna start over!"

A. Grow the fuck up!

[TheorionMage]

This hypocritical paradox really grinds my gears---
Females who dance erotically in their most attractive years, RARELY do it for self-esteem validation; they DO it because there is a 'market' for this natural EROTIC stimulation. The song 'Truly, Deeply, Do; goes: "I'll BE your wish, ... your dream, ... your fantasy, ... BE everything that you NEED (and... want!) "

The self-same myoptically-conflicted society of guilt-ridden 'sinners' who morally condemn these dancers... fund, reward and empower them to PROVIDE stimulation for these judgmental moral 'paragons' innate, intuitive 'appetites'. Their audience then in transference, overtly 'shames' the Dancer for PROVIDING the FANTASY that weakly SATES that audience's under-served ambient appetites that they conflictedly 'despises' lying nascently dormant... within THEMSELVES!

The counterculture icon Frank Zappa wrote the telling lyrics: "... If She WERE MY DAUGHTER, I'd... what you YOU DO , Daddy? Cover that girl in chocolate syrup and make her do 'the nasty' on the White House lawn!" Or more-pointedly... the lyrics of the 1960's Hollie's "Stop, Stop, Stop All the Dancing!" Or Sting's "Don't Stand So Close To Me"

In 1995, Kent State University's Psychology Dept did a PHYSIOLOGICALLY-monitored male arousal study which irrevocably confirmed more than 87% of over 800+ 'average' heterosexual males became penile-ly-tumescently aroused when discretely in witness of imagery of PRETEEN and early adolescent juveniles portrayed 'Lolita-esque' invitingly~

Ambient 'Nature' pragmatically RARELY encodes a genetic engendered predisposition for which there is NO RECIPROCAL capacity/response in the specie's OPPOSITE gender! Read Dr. Desmond Morris's 1970's sociological insightful treatise "MANWATCHING: A Field Guide to Human Behavior"!

Western 'christian'-tainted society displaces their OWN SELF-shaming 'guilt-tripping' upon the sources of their stimulation. American culture TRIED legislating moralistic alcohol prohibition unsuccessfully; then, REPEALLED it! (God forbid they held the 'alcohol addicted' drunk... socially- accountable for their lack of SELF-moderated control. T'was the 'demon Rum'! Not insightful SELF 'moderation'! )

These days, they're TRYING to 'villian-ize' ownership of efficient 'military firearms.
By themselves, my guns reside SECURED, solely under MY sane control,
in my gun locker for over TWO DECADES... by themselves, harming NO ONE
of the 'sheeple' in fear of their POSSIBLE potential. These 'lead-launching tools'...
only perform their innate capacity at legally-sanctioned gun ranges; NOT shopping malls or grade schools; allowing ME, at MY SANE & MATURE discretion as a retired LEO, to maintain my PROFICIENCY for accuracy WITH these 'tools'. By THEMSELVES, as arms instructor Jeff Cooper quoted, these guns by and of THEMSELVES never harmed anyone.

Just as with 'marksmanship'... ANY female, if trained in the 'arts' of 'glamoury' COULD achieve the confidence of the 'stigma' of portraying public 'allure'.

As an honorably-served Veteran and Law Enforcement officer I HAVE TAKEN human life on several occasions... (and COULD again if circumstances warrant).

EVERY woman... YOUR sisters, daughters and mothers HAD, HAS the God-given capacity to parlay that nascent 'allure'... SO be NOT SO QUICK to hypocritically, sanctimoniously sit in judgement.

[RadThadd]

Cuck

[Tdieseler]

@RadThadd loooool

[globetrotter22]

@theorionmage sir you were brought up in a different generation. If you even had to experience a fraction of the far leftist twisted feminazi bullshit that young men are subject to this day & age you would have a different perspective. You were raised in an era were women actually respected chivalry. Nowadays they see that as weakness and exploit it. If you are a veteran and former law enforcement officer than I respect that. But it sounds to me you are very jaded from dealing with the worst of the worst throughout your life. Maybe you were stationed overseas and saw were women actually really do need feminism (I have traveled abroad and I personally attest to that). But in the west feminism has become deranged insanity. Just ask Brian Banks or Brett Kavanaugh. And no western women don’t need to strip, hook or do porn to survive in 1st world countries. They are a actually more legitimate opportunities for them now than there are for men to make an honest living.

[ChooChooHaha]

@globetrotter22 not always true.

[TryMeBee]

See this is why I like the idea of redemption. Outside religion, there is not really a clear path to being restored or being forgiven for things you I did in the past. It's why you have people getting canceled for stuff they did 20 years ago, even if they have changed as a person since then. Even if they have rejected that life and tried to live a better one. Even if they don't hide it or lie about it, there's no real option for moving past it. "Once a cheater always a cheater" applies to a lot of stuff. So once you do one bad thing—if it's one of the things society decides is bad—then you are forever outcast. There's really nothing you can do to improve yourself in their eyes.

[MCheetah]

I believe everyone who hasn't committed a sex crime or violent act, deserves a second chance. But I also believe people have to earn that second chance and they should be held accountable for their actions in the past. Forgiveness isn't free. That is, if one is looking for it.

[TryMeBee]

Yes, they should be held accountable. If they committed a crime (sex or otherwise) they should be punished. If they hurt someone there should be some form of reparation. But what you're talking about isn't a crime, and didn't hurt anyone besides herself. You say people have to earn a second chance, but how do you suppose they should go about that when no one will even give them a first chance? She didn't do anything to hurt the men she dated. She was honest and told them about her past. What exactly *should* she do here if she wants to be given a chance?

[MCheetah]

Prostitution isn't a crime? Also, ethics and morality aren't synonymous with crimes. There's lots of scummy things that aren't illegal, like revenge porn.' "how do you suppose they should go about that when no one will even give them a first chance?" It's not that no one will give them a first chance. That's not true. As I stated in the post, they have to work their way back up from the bottom. And its what most men on the planet do daily. Most women are given respect just for existing cause they have a womb and can produce children. Most men have to earn their respect in life. It's just that a lot of women aren't used to not having insta-respect, like pretty much all men who aren't rich, start out with. "She didn't do anything to hurt the men she dated. She was honest and told them about her past." She broke their trust, if she didn't tell them. And no; she EVENTUALLY told them the truth. She wasn't upfront about it. You even contradict this by saying "she wasn't given a first chance." If that was true, no one would have even stuck around to leave her, to begin with. She was not upfront about it, in the beginning.

[MCheetah]

"What exactly *should* she do here if she wants to be given a chance?" Through her actions and behavior. Because words are cheap. And people lie. She has to prove herself to be a good woman here, because she broke that trust by doing what she did in the past, to begin with. Like I said, most women aren't used to earning respect in society in this manner (outside of rare instances, like toxic work environments). If she wants to prove she's not unfaithful, a whore, a liar, a cheater, and a generally scummy person, she can't just say it. She has to LIVE IT. No different than someone who lied or cheated on you. And I doubt she put in the work in order to show this; she probably just expected men to instantly accept her shady past, consequence free. Like I said, Sasha Grey managed to do it. She doesn't whore herself out nowadays, because she actually wants to be seen as more than a sex object. And she's putting in the work to do that. People can SAY they want to be seen in a certain light, but (unless you're a mentally ill trans person or other woke lunatic), we all know you can't just say how society will see you and expect them all to comply. You have to put in the world and prove yourself.

[MCheetah]

You have to put in the *work

[TryMeBee]

You just said she was a stripper, that's totally legal. And yes it doesn't have to be illegal to be bad I just clarified that because you specified sex crime in your reply. Based on your take of her take, she used to strip but now she doesn't, and she's not been disloyal—the reason guys leave her is because they think she will, not because she does. They haven't left her before, it doesn't make sense that they leave her right after finding out when she was acting the same unless they just leave because she told them, and not because she's actually being disloyal. So no they don't give her a chance in that case. And if she told them right away like you suggest then why would they be more inclined to give her a chance when they don't already know her and that she isn't like that anymore? Plus thats not really a first date topic is it? She says "Whenever I tell them" so I assume she just tells them when it comes up. It's not like she's hiding it from them. I understand that not many people are reasonable or willing to trust without proof, but when nobody does there is no chance to prove yourself with behavior because nobody sticks around to see it. She has stopped, and hopefully done so for her own sake. It seems like she is the only person willing to believe she could possibly not be a horrible sex monster in the present even though she worked a legal job that exploited her nakedness in the past. ((Also as a side note, since you mention it here again,)) in my experience the whole "respect" problem seems explicitly the opposite to the way you say it is, with women having to fight and work hard for respect while men are automatically given it in most cases. But maybe we live in different environments and where you live women really are generally highly esteemed as competent, responsible, respectable members of society.

[Yeetboi__]

Just wanna point out something specific. Noooooo women start with full credit of respect as soon as they're born. Things are given to you in all aspects (Compliments to name one), while men have to bust his ass since young to get a sliver of respect, putting themselves last, working themselves to death, while a stripper comes along at the finish line to raise some children and die rich... what can't y'all understand about this? Those men that actually did rip his body part from part, putting in those OT to give YOU the life you deserve... Especially when his wife was an ex stripper! She gets even more clout from the guy she married (which was probably for $$$$ in the first place). Make it make sense @trymebee...

[TryMeBee]

@Yeetboi__ being given stuff means you're respected? Lol if that's true then babies must be the most respected people in the world. And if it's measured by compliments then everybody must respect strippers because they receive so many "compliments" at work. 🙄 There are benefits to being a woman. Being treated like a baby or a painting by default, isn't one of them. Respect is being treated like you matter, not like you are needed or needy.

[RadThadd]

I disagree, once a whore always a whore. Male DNA is still in your vagina

[TryMeBee]

@RadThadd pee is stored in the balls

[MCheetah]

@trymebee How exactly aren't women instantly given respect? I already explained this. Women have wombs, which objective makes them more "valuable" to humanity. Men are largely disposable. If a man isn't sacrificing his life to serve women, children, or his employer, he's not even considered "a man." Women can literally do nothing but look good and marry some rich guy, who'll treat her like a queen. What man can get by in life doing nothing besides those born to the super rich? The fact women can be given everything and still claim "it's not enough" speaks volumes to how spoiled they are. As for the other point, I already explained strippers and sex workers, by profession, aren't loyal. They sell their bodies to strangers and in many cards cases, let them touch them. They sold their respect and trust, like I said. So they've got to earn that back again. And with some men (rightfully so), they may not be willing to give them a chance. However, some will. They can't afford to be picky anymore like most women are from the start. And if they don't divulge their past right away, then they are continuing to be deceitful. It doesn't matter if you think that's "unfair." Nobody is entitled to date a sex worker, which by default, is untrustworthy and likely unloyal

[MCheetah]

Also, last time I checked, sex work wasn't really open to men. OnlyFans, as trashy as it is, isn't really open to men. We live in an age where entitled whores are demanding a great deal of respect literally just for existing (with many simps and beta males willing to give it to them), and then claim women in first world, modern Western society aren't respected just for existing. You wouldn't last a week as a man if you think that.

[TryMeBee]

Are you kidding? I would much rather be respected than spoiled any day. Men aren't spoiled because they are expected to be responsible, and strong. On average, men are taken far more seriously than women. They aren't spoiled, rather they are treated like adults should be. That would be awesome! I would love to be treated like a man, even with all the negatives that come with people expecting a lot of you and giving you little or nothing in return. Anyway to your other point, lol. Men can absolutely be strippers and on onlyfans and all that! All you have to do it the same type of process and have the same skills women use to get there. But just like women, most won't be very successful, and a few will be. That's showbiz.

[Rania05]

I don't even know which standing you're on, your thoughts are all over the place

[MCheetah]

I gave a short version at the end: I said sex work is selling your soul, dignity, reputation, and respect for quick cash, and that if women (and men) are fine doing that, then so be it. But modern women want to have their cake and eat it too: They want to be whores and cum dumpsters, and not only have it be destigmatized, but celebrated for what they do, as well. Which is insane. As if their choices in life shouldn't matter and they should always have a "Get out of jail free" care for all their consequences and bad decisions in life.

[MCheetah]

*"Get out of jail free" card

[Rania05]

If forced by circumstances (childhood sexual abuse, getting sold or abucted, had to get money urgently) I can only pity those women, but if they do it for fun and extra cash I don't know what respect they're demanding, I don't want to see a society that normalize prostitution. But seriously people just has to less bother them, harrasing former prostitutes just because they can is despicable, especially if they're old ladies who only wants peace. Just as I can't see myself marrying a cowboy, men don't except a sex worker for a wife.

[MCheetah]

"if they do it for fun and extra cash I don't know what respect they're demanding"

But they are. And we see it all the time on social media. And corporations back them because they're basically these girls' pimps and get paid off them. Not just OnlyFans themselves, but even Instagram. They're not just trying to normalize prostitution, but sex work and simping in general.

Haven't you seen all these "18th Birthday OnlyFans" parties out there, where girls join OF on their 18th birthday? Or Bella Thorne (a 5 out of 10 looking mediocre lesbian actress) inspiring a whole generation of girls to join OnlyFans because she made $1 million in 24 hours after joining it?

sg.news.yahoo.com/...nlyfans-record-154024568.html

www.usmagazine.com/.../

www.vulture.com/.../...nlyfans-scam-explained.html

This is what they're trying to make as the New Normal. 16 and 17 year old girls ready to do pseudo-sex work on their 18th birthdays, and you're not supposed to object to it, lest some whore calls you "an incel" or something else idiotic.

And simps try to marry whores and sex workers. That's what makes them simps, to begin with.

[Rania05]

Not interested in OnlyFans so never know what's going on there, I don't know what they're thinking or trying to prove with all this

[MCheetah]

It's just about power and money, like with anything else. Especially feminist/woke movements like all the "respect sex work" BS. They'll even put this crap on shirts and sell it back to these same fools.

[Rania05]

I thinks it's much better if those 'feminists' wake awareness in respecting cleaning ladies and trash pickers

[MCheetah]

I have an extreme more respect for blue collar workers like cleaning ladies and trash pickers (and *especially* farmers! Farmers are bad ass!) But that actually requires work, so of course lazy, slutty women don't want to artificially prop up that.

[Yeetboi__]

*General comment to all who apply. If it don't apply, let it fly* Woah woah woah @rania05... Forced by circumstances? I don't see entering a life of offering holes for money as a forced situation (unless by abduction and getting kidnapped and trafficked... that stuff is sad) being the morally correct way of getting ahead of everyone else. Yeah it may work now, but when majority of women post their ass online, I don't know what the hell to believe anymore. I mean okay if you're OLD, no man is gonna wife it up after a certain point in time, but if there's still time on the clock, its not worth it. Just like OP mentioned but in a different way... if all men went ahead and boycotted this stuff. (Which we do have the power to shy away, if dudes can just have self control) (P. S. a lot of these so called 'simps' online are just young boys ages 8 and up (Easy to lie to enter the site, just as easy it is for a 18 y/o girl to catch a couple K's off a scene...) that are loving it so we might as call y'all pedos right? Look... all in all, men DO NOT (Ill say it again DO NOT) want to wife a woman with that kind of past. Women keep saying "stop shaming, stop shaming" but there's no marriage (minus gay marriage) that's gonna go through when the ONE PERSON he ties to his name, is a nudist figure... especially if he's well known in his workforce... absolutely not. I just hope women understand this because they go through with it (encouraged by the internet, and a temporary check) go BROKE... look up, and hope for a rich husband. Reality check... *there's not that many rich (minority) men in america*, and to the ladies that want BBC big dongs for the rest of their life, your men are: Either taken by more purer women at a young age, or just stay single to BUST THOSE EXACT STRIPPERS DOWN. You can't survive off of that life alone, so to them, it's pick your poision.

[MUHAMMADSHAFFQAT]

Because this property is love

[ethanallen]

I once dated a girl who worked at a massage parlor. She was from China. Her massage parlor name was "Wan That Ho." She made enough money to pay her way through nursing school where she got her RN degree and then her NP (exact same thing as a doctor in the United States).

[Avicenna]

Someone who has been focused on extracting as much money from men as possible as some sort of sex worker is not marriage/long term relationship material for the vast majority of men.

[HighValue]

People's past will always matter. It shows their morals and shows what they are willing to do under certain circumstances.

If a person has the self discipline to live a good moral life and made good choices in life, there is NO REASON for them to ever accept a lesser person with bad morals that made bad life decisions.

It doesn't just apply to strippers, it applies to many things.

1. Stripping is a sexual act and IS cheating when in a relationship.

2. If someone did drugs, they damaged themselves physically (shortened their life and likely caused health problems in their future) and mentally. They also likely damaged their future kids.

3. If someone unjustly harmed another for gain (either financial gain, sexual gain, etc.) then they could do it again and are forever a bad person too.

4. If someone betrayed their relatives or friends for financial gain, such as scamming them, stealing from them, stealing their SO, etc. that also shows their morals and how disloyal they are.

5. If someone is friends with multiple people and they know one of their friends is cheating on the other friend, they are being disloyal by not telling the friend that is getting messed over and also showing that they support the immoral choice of cheating by remaining friends with the cheater.

[globetrotter22]

I agree with most of what you said above. However it is possible for people to OWN UP to their past mistakes, make no excuses for them and rehabilitate. I’ve met some ex cons who made no excuses for their past bs and actually did very well when they got out. They now what rock bottom is. Not saying strippers or even hookers are “criminals”. But if a woman had a checkered past and owns you to her shitty decisions (yes acknowledged it was a stupid decision) and a fair amount of time has passed she can be redeemed. However what @mcheetah is talking about are women who not only never own up to this sleazy lifestyle but actually want “respect” for doing it. It’s twisted insanity. They signed up to be an object so it should be no surprise they will be respected as such. They also better do a damn good job of convincing society they are no longer objects (doing legitimate work) if they want to be redeemed.

[Part2603]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/23NlFNRxPu4

[Grl2live_nlearn4u]

I don't think that's true anymore. A friend of mine goes to another city once a month and comes back with a couple thousand dollars.

[ElementoP]

It's funny seeing people call them "sex workers" like that's a viable career choice lol. I guess my old drug dealer was a sales rep in pharmaceuticals too

[MikeInHawaii]

“Undocumented pharmacist” or “unlicensed pharmacist.”

[ElementoP]

😂..

[exitseven]

There was a woman who worked out at the same gym I belonged to who was a stripper. She was very pretty and was in good shape. A couple guys told me the saw her act one night. I did not know her very well but sje seemed really nice. She was studying to be a Psychologist. I really would not mind dating somebody who was a stripper but i would draw the line at somebody who sold their body for money to random guys. There is just too much baggage.

[RadThadd]

Line is drawn too far to the edge already

[RadThadd]

too close *

[exitseven]

@RadThadd I have mellowed a lot in my old age. Things that I thought were really bad when I was younger now seem a lot more of a grey area.

[globetrotter22]

True. However I’ll make an exception for women doing this to survive in 3rd world countries. That’s a different story.

[MCheetah]

Okay, yeah. I'll say this applies only to wealthy and First World countries and women who have plenty of opportunities to earn a living besides selling their bodies.

[globetrotter22]

Totally agree.

[ChooChooHaha]

Regardless of where you are... survival. And does that mean you can't treat her like she's human?

[U4ea0]

Women who sell their bodies have zero self-respect and dignity. Someone who has no self-respect is not capable of respecting others. This is a symptom of a serious personality disorder that can't be treated.

[ChooChooHaha]

Survival? Hello?

[worldscolide]

Let's not forget the statistic that the more sex partners a woman has the less likely she will be to be happy in marriage, the less able she is to pair bond, and the less able she is to be loyal. All valid reasons to keep your distance from sex workers.

[love_conquers_lust]

It took you an entire page to say because they’re skanks.