Guys, would you slap, choke or whip a girl if she asks?

[Anonymous]

If your girlfriend, partner asks you to treat her this way during sex because she likes it, would you do it? What would your reaction be? Is it a turn on or a turn off for you? Why?

[redeyemindtricks]

Ok boys, you listen. You listen to me.

The answer to this question is YES.

THE ANSWER IS YES.

You do this. You do this for your woman. You shut up, you grit your teeth, you swallow everything your mama taught you about feminism, and you hit her. You hit her like a man.

Because she wants it, and she NEEDS it.

Submissiveness runs deep. It runs VERY deep.

It runs against everything, absolutely every-fucking-thing, our culture tells women about what they are and what they want and what they need.
Everything.
All the things.
It takes a TREMENDOUS about of courage and self-awareness for a woman to even SAY this to you.
She is risking her self-image. AND her safety. AND her sexuality, AND possibly her heart.

DO IT.

Do it.

"Bla bla bla male oppression bla bla bla bla" No dude, shut up and hit her.

"Bla bla bla bla equality bla bla bla" No dude, shut up and give her what she NEEDS.

Do it.

If you think "omg i could just SO not do that"... read some stories. Read some stores about dominant men and submissive women. READ THEM WITH AN OPEN MIND.
Check the politics bullshit at the door.
See whether they turn you on.
Give it some time.

If your woman wants this, she will never stop wanting it.

She. Will. Never. Stop. Wanting. It.

If you will not give it to her, you will NEVER fully satisfy her needs.
Never.
Not ever.
Never ever ever.

Look that woman in the eyes. Take your hand and hit her. Like a man.

Give her what she wants.

Then do it again.

Then fuck her and watch her explode.

Then kiss her. And hold her in your arms.

And realize that everything you thought you knew... was wrong.

Do it.

[redeyemindtricks]

Just in case you can't tell, this is a big thing. To me. It's a big thing. Because I know how deeply it shapes women's lives. "Nice guys", you wanna know why all the girls broke your heart and went for the bad boys? THIS IS WHY. It may not have been conscious. It probably wasn't, because teenagers are stupid and generally lack any shred of self-awareness. But it's there, and it's the reason. "Good husbands", you wanna know why your sex life -- and eventually your whole marriage -- went to shit? THIS IS WHY. When women want THIS... they will give their whole bodies, hearts, and lives to get THIS. They will throw away perfectly good men, and good relationships, and good lives. They'll throw it ALL away. For maybe, possibly, perhaps, finding that *man* who'll put them on they're damn knees where they belong. Go back and read this again. Read it over and over and over. You have NO IDEA of what you're up against. And probably neither does she. Hit her. Like a man. Do it. DO IT.

[redeyemindtricks]

*Their. Not they're. Goddamn fuck shit. Their. Their their their. Gee wiz.

[jacquesvol]

I like your post but NO, I will NOT do it, NOT to you, NOT TO ANY OTHER.

[redeyemindtricks]

@jacquesvol Why not? What do you have to lose? If it would damage your self-image... Why? Remember, for every good man who thinks like you, there's a woman who will throw it all away to chase that thrill. Without my husband, I'd throw away my own life to chase the same thrills. All of it. I'd throw it all away. Your values are what they are. But what if you were with a woman who NEEDED it? Who would be truly, deeply, incomplete without YOUR physical fury? Would you tell her no... for the sake of... what? An abstract ideal? Chivalry? Feminism? What, exactly?

[redeyemindtricks]

And thank you for your compliment on my writing.

[jacquesvol]

I just don't want to see 'that guy' in the mirror when I shave.

[redeyemindtricks]

@jacquesvol You should think about why. Really. I'm not asking you to change the way you think, I'm just asking you to THINK about the way you think. Because that's a shitty answer. Sorry. It's a non-answer. I mean, it's sort of like saying "mama told me". Or something. Well, ok. Mama also told you don't lie, or steal, or break the law. But as an adult you understand there are times when it's ok to do each of these... and that there are times when you MUST, morally, do each of these. You re-think stuff. When you shave tomorrow? Re-think it. At least for the duration of your shave. A nice, hot shave, with a straight razor. Because fuck safety razors. (: Think about the fact that there are lots and lots and LOTS of women whose happiness revolves completely around being taken, subdued, tamed, broken. Your sisters, aunts, daughters, nieces, your own mother, even... not all of them, but certainly some. If men follow your moral imperative, these women stay unfulfilled. For what?

[jacquesvol]

It's not because I'm an atheist that I don't have ethics and morals. I'm not the guy who hits women. NO WAY. That's for the self appointed alpha males. The ISIS guys. But I'm the guy who says NO to a woman when I don't like what she asks. And I don't like violence. Not even with sex as a 'reward'.

[redeyemindtricks]

@jacquesvol So, you'd deny these women for the sake of your "ethics" and "morals". I see. That's an interesting moral calculus. It's not utilitarian, since you'll sacrifice fulfillment for... well, I don't know what. And it's not religious, by your own admission. What is it? What's the utility function? Who gains? What's on the pedestal? Also, which is more chauvinistic? Your hand across a woman's face, or your back turned to a woman's needs? My husband is not "the guy who hits women". He's the guy who releases his controlled fury on ONE woman, his wife, the mother of his children. By so doing, he makes me feel MORE PROTECTED. Because I've seen his fire, his wrath, his anger. It surrounds me, humbles me, conquers me, but would never EVER hurt me. Not once in 15 years has he scared me. "Violence" is loss of control. He's ALWAYS under perfect control. 15 years. He inspired me to straighten MY life out, too. ISIS? Really? Come back when you're ready to sit with the adults, please.

[jacquesvol]

I'm not the one who wants to 'straighten out' other peoples ' lives. As I wrote, that's what those ISIS people want to do. Count me out.

[redeyemindtricks]

@jacquesvol Have a happy new year and a nice hot shave. xx

[jacquesvol]

Thanks, same to you. :)

[Toad-1]

So are you saying if women dont get this from tgeir man they will cheat?

[Mesonfielde]

I'll just go with what I said. Which is that if she seeks affection in sadism, then I cannot trust her judgement about anything whatsoever.

[NJ_Casanova]

THAT was FUNNY as Hell;-) If your in NJ look me up;-*

[redeyemindtricks]

@NJ_Casanova That was meant to be a lot of things, but funny was absolutely not one of them. Not even sort of.

[NJ_Casanova]

Still funny, XOXO

[SweetHomicidalQueen]

i fucking love you.

[redeyemindtricks]

@SweetHomicidalQueen I wish I'd had electronic older sisters to tell me what the fuck was going on when I was your age. Sing it.

[redeyemindtricks]

And thanks.

[SweetHomicidalQueen]

lol you're welcome and although i have seen quite a bit much this made me laugh and gave me an insight into other submissive's minds

[redeyemindtricks]

@SweetHomicidalQueen Write things down. Collect them. When someone worthy enters your life, gift them.

[BeautifulWreck]

I absolutely love this answer. I could not have written this better myself! Thank fucking God there is another woman who feels the exact same way as me! I thought I was the only one! This made my night. Thank you! Men- Take this advice to heart.

[redeyemindtricks]

@BeautifulWreck Thank you. I'm just gonna go there, and say MOST women are like you and me. Differences of taste, differences of degree, but most women tend submissive. This fact is painful to many. Painful because their worldviews and lives have been built upon the opposite, and it's no fun to find yourself back at square one in mid-life. And painful to discover that your dear life partner has a whole side of her that you never knew... and that this side may be all-consuming. There are lots of us, lots and lots and lots and lots. I am unique ONLY in that I'm better than most at communicating the point. I'm a good writer, and I'm pretty fuckin' blunt. (Stuff it, haters.) Otherwise, I'm most of your wives and mothers and sisters and daughters and friends and nieces, and they are me. Welcome to the real world. Have a nice day.

[HookingSwan]

I'd say it depends on the woman I dont think everyone would throw away a guy they love for the sake of getting hit But yes, people should be able to be open with each other about their sexual fantasies, as it will help build intimacy and contribute for a happier marriage. but that thing about women leaving marriages for that. I can't say I totally agree with that statement.

[redeyemindtricks]

@HookingSwan You know what sucks? A lot of the ones who leave are good girls, wih consciences. Consciences that make them leave. The really heartless ones, they don't leave. They have their cake, and they eat it too, and they completely, totally, absolutely get away with it.

[HookingSwan]

:/ that is not ok at all

[ThisDudeHere]

Or how about a woman doesn't act like she has Stockholm syndrome and instead fucks normally?

[Mesonfielde]

@ThisDudeHere You know, "not one size fits all" and all but every woman ever wants to feel "submissive" through being inflicted physical pain upon as a signal of love, obviously. :P Hit her like a man! Because all men are inherently designed to be abusers and rapists. Embrace the culture of violence!

[ThisDudeHere]

@Mesonfielde yeah I guess I'll have to become the white coffee stained shirt wearing wife beater type. How fun.

[Zeanobia]

I most say for a woman for advocate for being SUBMISSIVE you sure have a lot of demands. And not only that, but it's like we have to obey you. I know that in a true D/S relationship, the sub usually has the upper hand but this is ridiculous! Most of your opinion boils down to "give the woman whatever she wants, your values doesn't matter". What if we turn it upside down a bit? I'm not a dominant type, some say I'm outright submissive. If I met a women like you, I would be the oppressed one. Daddy might have said a man takes charge but I never listened. I believe that while submission can be earned either through Stockholm syndrome or bullying cycles (most prisoners during the Stanford Prison experiment became subs after a while for example), sadism can't. I also believe that in cases where there's an D/S dynamic you need to have the opposites because: Two doms ends up fighting all the time and two subs never accomplish anything.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia "I most say for a woman for advocate for being SUBMISSIVE you sure have a lot of demands. And not only that, but it's like we have to obey you. I know that in a true D/S relationship, the sub usually has the upper hand but this is ridiculous!" Hey, know what else is ridiculous? An Alaskan giant bear, charging right straight toward yr ass. 1600 lbs of tenacity and ferocity. And you can't even hit that shit from far off, nope, you gotta wait until he's right up in ya. That shit's ridiculous. The big leagues. And some hunters? The biggest baddest boldest ones? That's the ONLY thing they'll hunt. The big game. Shoulder shot, aim for the chest. Do or die. Ya dig? Yr right, boy, I'm the big leagues. I've lost to one man in my life. Lost it all, and won it all. Won it all by losing it all. I'm way too hardcore for most. My idea of fun and games would wear even most fairly dominant men down. But, shit, boy. You wanna tame a house cat? Submission's bullshit unless you EARN it.

[Zeanobia]

PS, Open reading your dialog with @jacquesvol, I feel the need to establish the importance of having the same values with some speculation. If my girlfriend turned out to outright NEED an alpha male, I might try to study it the way your OP ordered me to out of love. I might try to fulfill her fantasy for a while despite not getting turned on myself. Eventually let's say that she'll see through my masquerade, now she have to live with the guilt of being the one to force me to do something I don't enjoy and doesn't have my heart in. The masquerade might crumple either because I don't do a proper afford, she'd realize that I'm bored or even ashamed, or my performance anxiety to be her dom will ruin the result. In the end, she might just leave me at the first sight of a true top leaving me lament that "nice guys finish last". To avoid this, here is what I'll actually do: Dump her on the basis that no matter that neither of us could truly make each other happy.

[Zeanobia]

*what

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia "I might try" is all we're really asking, here. You might try. See? You win. Is that so hard? There's a lot of uncharted frontier, there, inside yourself. You'll never run out of self-exploration. Or exploring yr partner. Or exploring yourselves, as a team. "I might try" is the winning attitude.

[Zeanobia]

Yes it is, did you just ignore the whole deconstruction of that choice? I even said that "no, I won't try. I could never make you happy and neither could. We're over"

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia Yeah, but, "Fiiiiiinneeee just for the sake of argument i'll hypothetically try this and then immediately nip that shit in the bud" ... is still step 1 on the road of self-discovery. The other guys are at step 0. Journey of a thousand miles, single step, etc.

[Zeanobia]

To spell it out to you in short: I won't bother, I don't want no drama nor any inferiority complex.

[redeyemindtricks]

... and, yeah, I don't do well when there are too many lines in one paragraph. (Not kidding)

[Zeanobia]

Never heard about a girl who likes short things. But I'm at step 3 then as I have tried it, realized that you're wrong and that I should just find a more compatible partner rather than pretending I'm something I'm not.

[Zeanobia]

Took a while to realize your double posting: I realize that a part of our conflict steams from the fact that we're too similar in taste you and I. Problem is, sub/sub relationships never accomplish anything. If this were a fetish thread we might have been on same side lol.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia "Problem is, sub/sub relationships never accomplish anything." They can, given the right kind of external impetus.

[Zeanobia]

Like what? We can't invite a third party in by the way because then that person would invoke a sub/sub/dom dynamic (one master with 2 slaves if you like)

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia Yeah, that's what is meant by "external impetus". My boy had that sort of thing, going on, with this haute-société couple when he was in his 20's. The man was dyed-in-the-wool sub. The woman, well, I don't know the word for it—she was a domme with respect to her man, but a sub with respect to mine (this was way before I met him, but "mine" is the only non-clunky descriptor). Interesting. Fascinating to me as an anthropological study, albeit with less-than-zero turn-on factor. He likes women, and, well, doesn't really like focusing sexual attention on men, because he's straight. LOL So most of their playtime was in configurations that fit all of that bill, without any direct M/M interaction. I made him draw me diagrams, because I am an intensely curious nerd. Oh, and, he never had to get a day job. In his twenties. Nope. Apparently, this whole set-up worked to the delight of everyone involved, until they moved overseas and that was that.

[Zeanobia]

Took me some time to analyze that comment, but now I think I'm ready to comment. In my comment about having to get opposites in a D/S relationship I purposely left out the Switch. The switch, like I assume the woman you observed is "the wildcard". A true switch is both a sub and a Dom but complicated to add in my theory. A true switch either need to be a middle rank (or take turns if monogamous) or doesn't care either way. Or you get weird overlaps like casual demanding but needs a good spank once in a while. Either way, a switch is the exception to my rule about the need to be different since they can be either role.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Zeanobia See, yea, of course that was the word that comes to mind, but I don't like that word. Don't like it because it implies shifting sands, between the same people. AC current between two people, rather than DC. Reversing 60 times per second. She wasn't a switch. She was straight-up domme with her husband, and straight-down sub with my man. If you want to take this electrical nerd thing literally. No switches. Hardwired in all the directions. No word for that, that I know.

[Zeanobia]

Relax, I don't take it literally usually. Either you need both roles or you don't mind either role as long as you have one. It's equally possible that you're mostly one of them with occasional urge to the other side. Like I said, if this was a fetish thread on fetlife, I got the feeling that you and I would be on same side.

[A-Guy11]

Oh please. You're seriously comparing bdsm experiences with hunting? Fury and ferocity does not have anything to do with "control", I've seen far too many people throw that out of the window in fights. Once you reach the stage of ferocity you simply have no control and comparing a life and death situation to the controlled environment in sexual bdsm play seems futile at best. You've never been afraid of your husband for the past 15 years? Congratulations, that's how most of us carry out our relationships anyway; if he was _truly_ furious I'd guarantee you that you would no longer feel safe. Let me ask you something, have you ever fought for your life against a man or woman? If not, I'd refrain from trying to teach people how they should live their sex lives with dull references to hunting. Some people are into dominance/bdsm whilst others are not. Simple as that.

[Dave20154]

Problem though is, she could just cry wolf and the court would side with the woman BECAUSE she's a woman. I would never hit a woman

[HikerDude]

I found this out the hard way, by being one of those "nice guys" who had been taught to respect and be gentle with women. Fortunately, I met a girl who challenged me and toughen me up. She's the one who taught me that "nice" is awesome but never got a pussy wet. For that, guys need to display dominance and power that reinforces his woman's sense of submissiveness.

[redeyemindtricks]

@HikerDude I'm intrigued. Was this "challenging" explicit? Like, was she self-aware and candid enough to actually put that out there, in yr face? Or did you just... find out one day, when you had a certain kind of "episode", found her soaking wet, and suddenly realized that everything in yr head was a crock of lies?

[HikerDude]

No, she subtly led me into being dominant by challenging me to put her in her place. She had a challenging personality, like she was ballsy and very confident. We met at the gym, and we were both into lifting weights. I was surprised to find out that although she was physically and mentally strong, she craved domination. When I finally took the bait and got physical with her, that's when I found out how much she (and other girls) responded to the power of domination.

[redeyemindtricks]

@HikerDude I like her already. <3 Why past tense tho? Sad face? Other things get between y'all?

[HikerDude]

Yeah, our relationship was mostly physical and didn't last very long, I think 4 months. She was older than me anyways and was about to graduate college, so she was moving on.

[redeyemindtricks]

@HikerDude Hey, well. Some things for a reason, others for a season, others for a lifetime. Glad you learned early.

[Mistnigqa808]

If that bitch wants to be choked for dear life... I'll do it with no questions asked. But she betta not try to press charges from the #Afterlife i'll tell ya that 😂😂 i1127.photobucket.com/.../...f-choke-shhh-ksm5.gif

[AustinMan]

I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've done it before and it's a huge turn on. She'd get a hot, hard bare bottom spanking for "being such a slut," too. What about that?

[OlderAndWiser]

No, I could not do that to a woman and being asked to do it would be a turn off for me.

[SweetHomicidalQueen]

i sure as fuck hope guys would for me

[redeyemindtricks]

I like you.

[SweetHomicidalQueen]

@redeyemindtricks thank you, I like you too, I just read your comment opinion and I completely agree 100%

[WhatTheHellAmy]

Of course I would haha

[guynextodoor]

imagining it is quite... funny
"hey tiger hit me"
"okay"
("BAAANNNNGGGGGG!!!")
(girl flies across the room)
(Blood coming out)
"not that hard you idiot, you are not the man. GET OUT OF ma LIFE"

[Xelebrum]

Light choking and whipping/spanking, yes. Slapping in the face, no.

[thewanderingme]

I'd rather a little dlap than being choked. I jokingly slap guys sometimes, that's not a big deal.

[wankiam]

BDSM is good fun but if choking you obviously need to make sure you have a safe signal rather than a safe word

[Mesonfielde]

Major turn-off, I'd have to reconsider whether I'm actually dating the right person... I'd prefer someone stable. Then again, I think I'm already eliminating these kind of people from the list based on the more subtle cues in behavior.

[Dubhlann]

I'm not sure about choke, but otherwise... yes absolutely.

[TadCurious]

No, I wouldn't do that. I'm not into sex like that.

[TripleAce]

Probably not. I'm not into abuse role playing or whatever her reasons are for wanting that

[runningislife]

If I trusted her and knew it would be nothing more then sexual desire. Don't want it turning into a rape case

[FakeName123]

Only to a certain extent.

[tyber1]

I'm not gonna choke her I'll do the rest though.

[jacquesvol]

Her butt, that's all.

[ConsultantIsBack]

Of course if she asks
I love light choking

[Tarvold]

I'd be willing to do most things in bed for my girlfriend even if I wasn't into it, just because she's my girlfriend.

[genericname85]

choke yeah. slap in the face: no. whip: no.

[FistSlaminElite]

Yes yes yes! I love s/m , giving and receiving pain c:

[Unicrone]

I'd do whatever it takes to make her happy

[Adamray17]

Girls love to add some roughness in bed