Why is porn these days so degrading to women?

[Anonymous]

They cum on their faces and fuck their throats and slap them . Girls, do you actually like to be treated like that? Really? Do you like being treated like an object and sex slaves? Is it hot for you?

[kaylaS91]

de·grad·ing
dəˈɡrādiNG/
adjective
causing a loss of self-respect; humiliating.

I don't find any of those things to be degrading.
I enjoy it when my boyfriend cums on my face or facefucks me. You have to realize that only about 1% of the time girls are 'treated like that' is it not out of consent and against their will.

For the most-part, they enjoy it almost as much as the guy. I, personally, find it hot af when my boyfriend does things like that during sex. Really hot plus helps me feel even closer to him, that I can trust that he'll do such things but only push them as far as he knows I'm comfortable with, and never past that line.

[fauchelevent]

Facials can be good. The throat fucking and slapping isn't really my bag, but hey, some people enjoy that. Slapping him has been pretty fun in the past, even if I don't enjoy being slapped myself, so I can understand it. The porn industry does usually degrade women, you're right, but it's important to not demean the people who do enjoy that stuff in their private sex lives when we criticise the porn industry.

[candy_41111]

NO. I think its a matter of preferences. Some people enjoy that stuff. I don't enjoy it a ton. Before my boyfriend I was seeinga guy who was all into that stuff none stop and I could handle doing that everytime. It is degrading and weird. I'm not sure I'd be up for that.

[Kylesar]

The best sex tends to be "degrading"

Fucking and dominating her like a worthless slut is how you get a woman addicted to you. This is amplified 10-fold if she's in love with you

In a relationship, no one likes to be treated like shit, but that goes out the window with sex. You can effectively reverse everything you're learned in how to treat her once you get her in the bedroom

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If you don't like it, you can go with the typical missionary, cum, then pass out

[MrMuffinMan]

A lot of girls do like to be dominated. But I understand the point, the good news is that the porn industry is on the brink of turning into a much more real-life, genuine sex industry with the growing acceptance of it and the fact that anybody can upload this stuff online now.

[BuchitaBuchys]

That's degrading to you? Lol there is MUCH worse stuff out there.

[Berethor]

Not all porn are having those things, there is even porn for woman and feminist porn.

[karahiri]

people are bored. it's sexual ADD. or ADHD. i dunno. but i think you're going to see more and more extreme things as viewers get desensitized to what's out there. also, people are titillated by the whole "lady on the street / freak between the sheets" dynamic. lol. we're sheep.

[AndyOh]

I don't like nor watch porn like that. It is degrading and I do not like it.

[Mesonfielde]

Facials are like whatever, fucking their throats is kinda weird mostly because... well, you can throw up from that and I don't think that was designed for that purpose, and slapping is pretty messed up yeah.

I think the women who think being treated like that is normal have learned to associate physical abuse with affection due to some form of childhood trauma. I mean, what rational person would like to be *beaten* by someone they love?

[Mesonfielde]

Not all women seek abusive relationships though. The people who think 50 Shades portrays a romantic relationship and not an abusive one are just a subset of women; there are women who are mature enough with enough self-respect to not want to be abused by their partner. So don't assume this to be a general norm, it really isn't. I personally think there might be correlation to how much they overuse makeup, but that's just a wild guess.

[redeyemindtricks]

Believing there's anything "rational" about sex is mistake #1. The people who've had that kind of trauma are the ones who CAN'T get into that kind of sexual play, because it has become hardwired with too many traumatic associations. remember, this was the same conversation where you tried to say all these things could just be magically fixed by therapy -- nope. No one really knows what's even going on that deep in the mind, let alone how to fix it. If you find someone who's into taking beatings sexually, and they actually enjoy it, then you can be pretty damn sure that (s) he DOES NOT have that kind of history of trauma. Ironically enough.

[Mesonfielde]

@redeyemindtricks So people should be abused as children to develop a healthy sexual interest? That's kinda weird.

[redeyemindtricks]

wait, so, only vanilla sex is "healthy"?

oh. no. you. dit. n't

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[Mesonfielde]

@redeyemindtricks well you might attempt to prove to me that tying someone up, slapping them, beating them with a whip and then peeing on them is somehow normal, but I personally will probably not believe you.

[hellionthesage]

Personally I think it has to do with current gender relations. Basicly to be feminine is to be weak and helpless and to be masculine is to be violent and aggressive in the eyes of society and as such it finds its way into sexual kinks like these.

[Mesonfielde]

@hellionthesage Especially the violence part. It's weird how people seek to be abused.

[redeyemindtricks]

Sexual kinks are DEFINITELY not "society's" fault. Oh hell no. There's a whole generation of women, a decade or two older than me, that have become disaffected and frustrated because their inner wiring is submissive, but "society" -- specifically the whack-job American feminism that wrought its worst damage on that generation -- simply wouldn't let them accept that. This is the kind of stuff that's way too deep to blame on "society".

[Mesonfielde]

@redeyemindtricks well the inner workings of people get them to starve themselves or make them commit suicide from time to time, so it's no wonder some people enjoy being made miserable and tortured.

[redeyemindtricks]

Look, I know yr opinion here is pretty much carved in stone, but, this really isn't as one-dimensional as you want to make it. What you are seeing as "being made miserable", is actually "being sexually satisfied" to many women -- including many very very healthy women who've never been abused. I mean, really, this is just like anything else. Think about, say, "ambition" or "drive". When I use those words, people think positive things. But, you could use another word for the same concept: "dissatisfaction". Ambition = drive = dissatisfaction. They're all the same thing. If you choose to use that 3rd word, then, suddenly, you might think this is a state of constant misery. If you use one of the first 2 words, you'll think of it as a positive, motivating force. You get me. Human emotions are not simple. Nor are they one-dimensional. Human sexuality, least of all.

[hellionthesage]

@redeyemindtricks feminist ideology is upheld by society and thus would be a societal issue. Also while women are wired to be submissive, the extremes are not something that is inherint. Therefore it takes on a much more exaggerated note because society attempts to neuter men and masculinize women thus the urges become more twisted (which has been proven, in fact the more you suppress the more twisted the urges become) they are a reflection of inherint traits but society magnifies it and distorts it.

[redeyemindtricks]

@hellionthesage That's a reasonable hypothesis, but, it doesn't explain as much as you think it does. I mean, it does nothing to explain girls like me, for instance. I started discovering my own submissive fantasies before I even discovered sexual urges at all -- certainly WAY too young to have been influenced by the kinds of societal forces you are talking about, here. Also, this whole MRA talking-point about how "society seeks to neuter men" is really overplayed. I mean, if you just look at the lives OF AVERAGE MEN a couple of generations ago -- don't make the mistake of looking at society's few James Deans and Elvises and other rebel icons -- you'll see that those men faced FAR more pressure to conform to a "neutered" lifestyle, far earlier than they do now. Most men were worked to the bone, under conditions barely removed from slavery, and most were stuck in marriages of economic necessity, too. The people complaining about (cont'd)

[redeyemindtricks]

... about how society is "neutering men" and all that stuff, are making the same mistake that so many other people make -- namely, they are comparing TODAY's bloopers and outtakes, with YESTERDAY's highlight reel. You should think about whether you are doing that, when you make all these claims about "neutering". If any of that effect *is* legitimate, it's only because our entire society is no longer faced with the imminent prospects of privation and war, and so, yeah, we've ALL probably gotten a little softer as a result. My grandfather was in the 4th Marines at Iwo Jima (he was one of the Navajo code talkers). His life was hard as shit, he went to war, and he came back home to... a life that was hard as shit. That made HIM hard as shit. That might be the only legitimate fraction of this effect that you are actually seeing, here. The rest of it comes from mistakenly comparing the worst of today to the best of yesterday.

[hellionthesage]

@redeyemindtricks Societal influneces occur before sex does, how you are raised influences you before sex does, its simply that when sex enters the equation those influences morph and change. And again women are naturally submissive by biological nature so that too would factor in. As for men, what I stated is fact. Schools have functioned in such away that masculine characteristics are punished regularly, hence boys being over medicated to "fix" their so called behavioral problems and why women scream about how they want the nice guy how its pounded into mens heads with all the media jumping on board (the yes means yes campaigns etc) so yes they are trying to feminize men by removing masculinity, by claiming a man acting in masculine fashion is violent and bad, that him being assertive or defending himself is wrong etc. This is fact, even the school system that has pushed for it has finally began to admit it.

[hellionthesage]

When societies are pushing for gender neutral toys, punishing boys for play fighting (one child was expelled from his grade school because he pointed his half eaten pop tart like a laser gun) we can safely say that yes men are being neutered. When we push for men to be stay at home fathers and for women to be the bread winners that is society neutering men, when we push masculine roles on to women that can also be pretty much entirely considered neutering men. If you take away everything that defines a man as a man, what else are you doing if not neutering him? I am comparing the average man, I actually don't know what your going on about with elvis presely or james dean but I do know that the average man is neutered from being punished in schools for exhibiting masculine behavior to being punished for defending themselves. This is irrefutable, you may not notice because your a woman and it doesn't affect you but a lot of men do, hence so much back lash from men.

[redeyemindtricks]

@hellionthesage I agree with you about the stuff happening in schools, although, again, this is hardly something new -- even when I was a kid, primary school was a place where girls generally excelled, because (speaking in excessive generalities obvs) they were good little girls who'd do all the homework, whereas the boys were more likely to "act out". But, remember that the crazy incidents get press because they're... the crazy incidents. They are not normal, and they are not happening in random schools every single day. Also, remember that a society -- ANY society -- can really only work if MOST men in that society are what the internet likes to call "betas". So, sure, that's the way organized education is going to trend. That way, when leadership DOES emerge, it will actually be *genuine* leadership, since it has grown against the grain. Again, I hear ya. But, what would you want to see instead? Training boys in the "drink fight fuck" school of thought?

[redeyemindtricks]

Also, I'm not seeing yr point about breadwinners. I mean... being relieved of some of that financial duty is pretty obviously a good thing, right? Who'd want to be 100 percent responsible for that? I mean, I make about 80 percent of the income in our family, and my husband is hardly a mewling bitch-boy. LOL He's the same former-delinquent street kid he always was, and there's no way he'd make a (legal) living as well as I do... but, his masculinity and sense of honor are unquestionable. If you are defining masculinity with dollar signs, dude, that's a pretty weak-ass definition of masculinity, and, frankly, I'd be glad to shove the door shut on THAT.

[hellionthesage]

@redeyemindtricks You are oversimplyfing, and even dehumanizing masculinity with the whole "drink/figh/fuck" remark. But then that is understandable since you are a product of a society that tells us this is what masculinity is (instead of the self sacrifing nature masculinity has, which is the only reason we have survived as a species (unless you think they worked themselves to death and fought and died on behalf of women accidentally?). As for schools, its common: www.aasa.org/SchoolAdministratorArticle.aspx
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Its the product of this idea that men are inherintly bad and women are inherintly good. Masculinity was about protecting and self sacrifice not about violence and sex (in fact their is a reason why historicly gentlemen treated women with respect and waited for sex rather then what society claims men do.).

[hellionthesage]

@redeyemindtricks As for your beta remark, how do you conclude that? How is a leader of sheep more beneficial then a leader of assertive (and for lack of a better term) wolves? One is impressive, the other not so much. You only reach your potential when you are confronted with an oppenent of equal or superior skill if no one in society is that then the person fails. We know this is how it works because its worked really well since the advent of society. No I am not saying being the providor makes a man masculin I said it is traditionally held as masculine which is why its being taken frome them, yes if a woman would like to help then fine, however seeing as how marriages where the woman is the breadwinner (or the father is a stay at home father) have a high rate of divorce and cheating along with lower levels of satisfaction I would say their is something to it. You may be different but that doesn't mean you are the standard.

[Lynx122]

You can watch any kind of porn you like, there's super soft core porn out there too you chose to watch the humiliation stuff.

[DaisyJane]

Your sensitivity to the subject is really sweet. But many women are into the rough stuff just as much as some guys are. As long as its consensual and enjoyable, its not degrading

[JRICHARDS1996]

I was under the impression that women or at least a fair amount of them like being treated that way? I mean, why else would [i]50 Shades of Gray[/i] have blown up the way it has? Furthermore, most women's magazines like Cosmo seem to suggest that women want more dominance in bed.

[SaraLovesUnicorns]

I have watched said porn before, and in my opinion it's more the idea of it that is hot, not the actual acting of it. I would assume that if I were to ever be in a situation where I was able to preform those actions, I would decline

[maiez]

Doing the same thing over and over again can tend to get boring, you gotta change it up once in a while.

[MixedGirlBL]

No one forces you to watch it. I think?

[BertMacklinFBI]

his mom does lol

[TonyRyan]

@BertMacklinFBI savage, lolol

[Belliebella]

im a virgin and haven't tried any of that.. yet.. but its only degrading if the girl doesn't want it or is forced to do it..

[Waffles731]

I actually prefer femdom porn

[sicosico]

I see it degrading when I am not in the mood, otherwise it is hot

[IceEverest]

HA HA... Just looking at comments

[ILikeToParty]

Have you ever done that too a woman?
Best. Orgasm. Ever.

[Anonymous]

I'm personally into that stuff. Not sure about others.

[Anonymous]

I find it disgusting and degrading and of course not hot at all. Maybe women got convinced that this is what sex is about and they have to copy it and that makes them special. Try make love with someone you are emotionally connected and not just having sex like dogs and you will see/ feel the difference

[Anonymous]

Porn is primarily made for men, for while lots of women watch porn, the people paying for it are mainly male, the rest of us are free riders.

Some women love those things, but not most. A sizeable minority.

[Anonymous]

I dont find those things sexy or do they turn me on. Someone like that shit.