Should straight men be shamed or forced into dating transgender women?

[Rissyanne]

One transgender woman thinks so
https://www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/03/transgender-activist-straight-men-should-work-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women/amp/

[sawno]

Forcing a straight men to get attracted to a transgender is just as wrong as forcing someone gay to be straight.

The whole transgender thing is a product of a larger issue, everyone is placed in certain boxes. The actual transgenders are likely rare since i can't imagine many thinking holy shit it feels so wrong to have a penis/vagina i just have to have the other one. Instead they feel a certain way either feminine or masculine and as a society we wrongfully associated these with a gender and we keep telling people certain things are wrong because of there genitals.

If we stop all that nonsense of your gender X so you have to do Y the world would be a different but ultimately better place. The whole gender issue would stop existing and we can go back to Male , Female and Inbetween (For the rare people who where born with both genitals) based on how you where born instead of how you express yourself. In my eyes there is nothing wrong with acting feminine as a guy or masculine as a girl but why is there such a need to call yourself the other gender over this? Is it that hard to just say your a male while liking things associated with feminine traits?

I feel all this confusion and frustration, bitterness and anger doesn't stem from the whole gender issue since in my eyes there shouldn't be one. The reason the LGBT community feels so misunderstood is because we haven't fixed the problem of placing people in unrealistic boxes and instead we keep telling them they are a wrong male or a wrong female so they are forced to change status to conform to this insanity.

So this is why ill always see you as a feminine male or a masculine female instead of the opposite gender, that is not out of disrespect but because i actually don't discriminate based on gender. That still means that for this question i will see them as a guy, who genital wise i am not attracted to.

[DinaM]

>The actual transgenders are likely rare since i can't imagine many thinking holy shit it feels so wrong to have a penis/vagina i just have to have the other one. Actually... that's EXACTLY what it feels like for a lot of trans people. It's not just a psychological thing or a revolt against gender roles (which, by the way, I agree, are way too restrictive). It's actually a biological thing. Very simply put, male and female brains do have slightly different structures (even if individual brains vary a lot), and since the brain and the genitals develop separately in the womb it occasionally happens that they develop in different direction -- say you get a female-coded brain, but male genitalia. This then leads to gender dysphoria, the feeling that your body's sex is just WRONG.

[sawno]

@DinaM I understand and i acknowledge that's a thing, but do you think that is the case of the majority or do you think most are just not liking there gender role? Because personally i'd find it more logical for people to switch genders because they are told what they feel like is a masculine or feminine trait rather then there genitals.

[DinaM]

I don't really think so. This is of course one of the first questions people ask of trans people: Isn't it just that you don't like the role that society has decided for your sex? But that's not the case. Of course, there'll always be posers and pretenders for everything, but people who actually ARE trans, at least the ones I know, don't care overly much about gender roles. There are masculine transwomen and feminine transmen, and androgynous people on all sides. If there were no gender roles, yes, there would still be transgender people... but nobody except trans people would actually give a damn. They'd say, "oh, you're a man? Duly noted" and move on.

[Anonymous]

I think guys shouldn't be forced. But guys like me and my friends that want to be nice, rational people should feel morally compelled to date transgender women under 2 conditions. Firstly, the guy has to be okay with some form of anal. Transgender women have to have their prostate stimulated to orgasm, which means anal play, with toys or the guy's dick. I'm really into the idea of anal so that doesn't factor in for me. Secondly, if the guy wants to go through childbirth with his woman which I don't fault people for, then no, he would not be able to date a transgender woman. But again for me, I'd be ok, and would insist upon adoption either way. There are a lot of kids out there that need parents. So for example, I don't feel I any rational reason to not date a transgender woman so yes, I would. In short, nobody should be forcing guys, but guys that don't have a problem with those 2 things I listed should take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves if there is any way they can become a more logical, rational person.

[Opinion Owner]

I just realized I forgot to mention, this is only the case if they are post op. I wouldn't date anyone with a dick. And of course they have to be a pretty girl, not all trans have the right looks or personality for me to date. I'd say the overwhelming majority do not.

[Opinion Owner]

Just like the overwhelming majority of biological women aren't compatible with me either.

[Rissyanne]

I and along with a lot of other people would consider you bisexual if you did this

[Opinion Owner]

Go ahead, but I'd never have sex with a guy, I wouldn't even be able to my maintain my erection if I the girl had a dick. Don't see how that makes me bi.

[Rissyanne]

Because the tranny has a dick or used to have a dick. And he has no female chromosomes. It you go by science and I know that liberals love science... he's still male

[Opinion Owner]

Ok, I have seen and talked to trannys that I didn't know where trannys until I was told. I need my woman to sound, look, feel, and to an extent, think like a woman. That's good enough for me. I'm not saying it'd be easy to date I tranny, I'm just saying if I liked her, I'd feel obligated to try and try to get past the mental block. Deep down, I'd rather be with a real girl, I just don't think that on a logical plane that it should make a difference. So what happens then is I try to align my feelings with what seems logical. If I found it to be impossible to get past that though, then I'd give up and just accept that I'm too shallow to be that rational. That's ok too, as long as I'm still kind to trannys, even if I don't date them.

[Rissyanne]

That's fine. But I don't care if she looks like miss America. He is still a dude.

[Rissyanne]

So you are ok with butt fucking a guy?

[Opinion Owner]

No... that would be disgusting... obviously we aren't going to get anywhere here, just ignore me and I'll ignore you.

[Rissyanne]

Ok then... lol

[DinaM]

Obviously nobody should be forced or shamed into dating anyone they don't want to -- even if the reason they don't want to is based in prejudice or intolerance. I'm all for encouraging people to be more tolerant and try out new things (or people), but you don't achieve that with trying to force a romantic or sexual connection.

A lesbian who's afraid of men because of bad experiences in the past should not be made to date a man in order to get through to her fear. A straight man who struggles with homophobia should not be forced to date a gay man so he can become more accepting of gays. Hell, even a racist shouldn't be forced to date a POC in order to become more tolerant. I mean, those dates would probably end in disaster for all people involved.

Now, would I have loved it if a straight guy was ALLOWED to date a straight woman without having to suffer through all the "LOL what A FAG" and "OMG DONT FOOL URSELF U R SO GAY" comments from people who think they're being insightful and/or hilarious? Yes! I would have loved it if we lived in a world where two consenting adults could be free to date regardless of gender, sex, race, religion, or any other differences or similarities between the two, and everyone else could just butt out and let them be.

Sadly, that's not the world we live in. But there's a big difference between calling for tolerance and insisting that people should "work through" their non-attraction. Zinnia Jones was out of line with those Tweets and she should be ashamed that she wrote them.

[DinaM]

Sigh. I wrote "straight woman" when I meant "transwoman." I'm just bad at writing today.

[Rissyanne]

A straight man would never date a transgender woman. If they did... they aren't straight

[DinaM]

Yes, that's exactly the sort of comment I wish we could be spared.

[Rissyanne]

Would you consider a man that wouldn't date a transgender... transphobic?

[DinaM]

Not necessarily. He could simply not be into her.

[Rissyanne]

What if he wouldn't date any transgenders?

[DinaM]

Still not necessarily transphobic. We all have our likes and dislikes. If he otherwise accepted and treated the transwoman with normal human decency, that'd be enough. If, however, he refused to date a transgender and said "EWW, no, I'm not a FAG, get out of my face you fucking tranny, go date some fag who's retarded enough to believe your sick delusion of being a woman!" -- then he would be transphobic.

[Rissyanne]

Wouldn't the same go if a lesbian wouldn't be open to dating a straight man?

[DinaM]

Did you even read my answer?

[Rissyanne]

Yes... so a man struggles with homophobic... what is it called when a lesbian struggles

[DinaM]

Depends on what she struggles with, I suppose? What, if anything, are you talking about?

[Rissyanne]

That it is ok to call a man homophobic or transphobic. But you wouldn't call a lesbian anything if she wouldn't date a straight man.

[DinaM]

I LITERALLY. Just said. That I would. NOT. Call a straight man. Homophobic. Just for. Refusing to date. A transwoman. The Homophobia. Comes. With. The. Attitude. Why. Is. This. So. Hard. For. You. To. Understand?

[Rissyanne]

Forget it you aren't getting what I'm saying. You are to busy putting periods behind every word

[DinaM]

You clearly aren't getting what I'M saying.

[Rissyanne]

Yes I am. And it's sad. Now let's end this.

[DinaM]

No, you're not. If you had, you would't have responded as if you didn't.

[Jaquav]

I think you'd agree with my post on here @DinaM If you want to read it, it's up there somewhere.

[Rissyanne]

You just couldn't understand my question. No don't respond anymore I don't want to block you

[DinaM]

@Jaquav Hmm... yeah, I can agree with that. Long as it's not forced or shamed. @Rissyanne If that's really all it takes for you to block me, then fine.

[Rissyanne]

Just don't insult me

[mickymousie]

Never! That is horrible, disgusting, and infringing on their human rights!

This is why being PC needs to be eradicated. The truth needs to be said and who cares if a few mentally ill people whine and cry?

[Lumberman53]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0qc1DhnEt8

[Lumberman53]

they all care if mentally ill people cry how dare you!!!(just kidding)

[mickymousie]

Haha! 😂 They can cry to me from their safe space!

[Wonderer89]

Of course not. No one should be forced into dating anyone, least not someone who doesn't fit their gender preference

[jpmoore89]

No, no one should be forced to do anything from dating a transgender person to baking a cake for a gay couple or forced to celebrate pride. These people seem to want to push their ideas onto everyone and won't be happy until they can force everyone into their LGBT ways, which will never happen!

[Impactaura]

If I was with a girl and found out it was born a biological man, I'm kicking it's ass. Idc if someone is gay or bi, that doesn't play in affect here. But if it's a guy pretending to be a girl, surgery or not, and that info is kept from me from the beginning, I'd be angry as hell because that's living a lie. You wanna find someone that accepts you for you, sure, that's what we all do. But lying to be with someone or saying a straight guy should be forced or lied to so he has to be with a transgender, someone who came into this workd with a dick but later chose he didn't want it, that's just flat out dumb.

[cth96190]

I agree.

[IdkJustNeedHelp]

No one should ever be shamed or forced to date anyone, regardless of whether or not it's a transgendered person. If you're not into someone, you're not into someone. That's it

[Warmapplecrumble]

No one should be forced to like anyone they are not interested in. That's sexual abuse.

[ITKing]

I'm a straight man - you can't force that on us. I don't agree with the whole gay/trans movement...

[JayB88]

Only if women should be forced to date short men. Nope didn't think so.

[MuffinHead]

No...

[JimRSmith]

Fuck, no.

I often wonder how the hell we've got to the mess we're in.

[Rissyanne]

I do to. The world is going to hell in a hand basket

[karahiri]

tbh, i think eventually, some dudes might come around. this stuff is a big deal now... but with time, i think it will become more normalized.

[Rissyanne]

I hope not. And I dont think a straight man will come around to being with a guy that looks like a girl but has a dick.

[karahiri]

well, if someone fully transitions, they won't have a dick anymore.

[Rissyanne]

They were born a man... they are still a man.

[karahiri]

I don't know about that. life is more complicated than man vs. woman. it's not just xx vs. xy. you can have xxx, xxy, etc. science doesn't support the cowardice and hatred that our culture propagates.

[Rissyanne]

Science supports that a man is a man and a woman is woman. It has nothing to do with hate.

[karahiri]

no, it doesn't. have you studied genetics? it's not all binary.

[Rissyanne]

It's all bull shit.

[karahiri]

lol. why is it bullshit? because you don't agree? would you rather we live in the dark ages?

[Rissyanne]

Dark ages? I rather live in a world without all this craziness.

[BeMuse]

When he gets hospitalized for being rapey dude will probably change his tune...

[HonestGirlAlways]

Obviously not.

[Ellie_copter]

That's just fucking dumb. You can't force anyone to date someone they are not attracted to.

[reptocarl]

Not only no but fuck no. I think those things are disgusting

[edaboud]

This post wasn't an invitation to just insult and upset transgender people

[reptocarl]

@edaboud you poor little freak

[TheOtakuMaid]

find one pre op who is this cute and yes I will fuck it into oblivion

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[Rissyanne]

You are gay or bi... if you fuck that.

[TheOtakuMaid]

well the pick is actually a girl but if you can find someone trans who looks like that and is pre op its getting fucked

[Rissyanne]

Dude the ain't women... they're guys like you. That makes you gay.

[TheOtakuMaid]

looks like a women feels like a women. close enough. guys dont look that cute

[Rissyanne]

Well I guess you would like to suck her dick.

[TheOtakuMaid]

no. i just find post op non appetizing

[Rissyanne]

dude just come out of the closet all ready

[TheOtakuMaid]

i dont like guy's tho.

[Rissyanne]

Dude... this is a guy.

[TheOtakuMaid]

the one in the photo i posted i a biological female i was using her as a example if you can find someone who is transgender who looks just as cute, also for a trans person biologically speaking yes. but if it looks like a girl who am i to say no

[TheOtakuMaid]

is*..

[Rissyanne]

Dude fuck all the male butts you want.

[TheOtakuMaid]

probably cuter butts than your's I've seen some trans who look better than most females

[mickymousie]

I think he's one of those people that says "the dick makes it cuter." He's just gay

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie no gay would fuck any guy or those who look like guys I only do em if they look like girls.

[mickymousie]

That's still gay.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie sadly sexuality is one of those things that is scientifically not binary for the simple reason we don't know much about it and it greatly varies person to person. homosexuality is being attracted to men, men are defined by more so masculinity than parts. being ok with the parts while not straight is not gay either. if i was gay i would not do anything resembling a female. and instead, go for brad pitt.

[mickymousie]

Sigh. I won't even waste my breath arguing, you're clearly one of those people.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie hardly. not everything is black and white hun. this is one of those things if you did some research you would find i am stating the truth in that it is not black and white and people who study it for a living with more degree's than you will state the exact same

[mickymousie]

"Hun", gender studies and all of those ridiculous degrees won't help you because they won't work in the real world, so nice try

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie oh sexuality and gender studies are two different things. sexuality backed by biologists is what i am referring too

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie believe it or not actual scientists state the same on sexuality. its not a light switch if it was we would easily know how it differs between humans and other animals.. we dont. i am not speaking about gender but sexuality which is visible and differs greatly

[mickymousie]

I said all of those ridiculous studies, I didn't mean only gender. The fact you are willing to put your penis into a poop hole shows you're bi at the very least. Quit hiding in the closet

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie and yet straight couples do anal as well again your statement just now is invalid as straight males who do anal on women are hardly gay or bi

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie also ridiculous? show me evidence to the contrary or back down peasant. granted gender studies is bullshit and has no grounds but what i stated for biology is scientifically backed

[mickymousie]

Dude. You're a guy, so it's gay. You clearly failed at trying to twist my words around.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie nor am i hiding I don't see this under anonymous. how ever i will not state what i am not. i dont like men as it is. though doing one that looks like a girl is not really Gay. granted not straight but not Gay either. there is more to psychologically. especially when i have seen some who look better as girls than you do.

[mickymousie]

Sexuality and biology have nothing in common. You're clearly brainwashed. You argue about everything so you're either a guy to believe everything a teacher tells you or you're a troll.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie hardly you stated "The fact you are willing to put your penis into a poop hole shows you're bi at the very least" you stated as is this statement is factually wrong

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie :" Biology is the natural science that involves the study of life and living organisms, including their physical and chemical structure, function, development and evolution" the study of life. that including animals who do reproduce

[mickymousie]

Do I care if you're anon or not? I didn't even point that out. It is gay, it's two males. Wow! A guy that looks better than a girl! That just makes you even worse. You don't give a crap that he's a dude you only care because of the trap aesthetic.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie you fucking twat double check the definition of biology before calling me brainwashed you stupid fuck

[mickymousie]

You're very sad.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie yes the trap aesthetic. not the dick. i hardly care about the parts its the looks. again you just proved my point dipshit

[mickymousie]

You're disgusting. You just proved you are a person to bone someone and not give a care about the person.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie sad? least i get my facts straight. you just stated sex and biology have nothing to do with each other. thats like saying that agriculture and economy have nothing to do with each other

[mickymousie]

You're a weeb. I should have not even bothered with you.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie were speaking of sexuality here not people. what gender studies bullshit course did you take?

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie someone who is gay does not mean they dont care about the people or someone who is straight. dont drag feelings into this leftist.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie and you are a moron. you probably should not of replied on something that takes higher levels of thought

[mickymousie]

Dude biology is to reproduce and to study life, not to say "I wanna screw this trap cuz of aesthetic." Biology is all Life study, not humans and their ability to pick and choose what they want sexually.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie we makeup biology retard and homosexuality has been shown in other animals do a fucking minute of research Jesus Christ. and sexuality is not fully a choice its both nature and nurture

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie again you are a moron. through and through who has zero understanding of science. you are worse than the people stating there are 72 genders

[Rissyanne]

Dude go ahead and butt fuck all the trannys you want. But if you do... you aren't straight

[mickymousie]

If you think I'm a leftist you should think again. Right wing members don't stupid things like screwing certain people for weebish fetishes. I never said gay people don't care, quit throwing words into my mouth, you ignoramus

[mickymousie]

You clearly cannot read then. If you think you're smarter than the idiots that think gender is a spectrum but want to screw traps because of your weeb fetish then grow up.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie I am fine with good old debate but fucking hell at least check your statements you sound like a total retard allow me to restate since you seem to be fucking slow "Biology is the natural science that involves the study of life and living organisms, including their physical and chemical structure, function, development and evolution." we are living we evolve we are apart of biology. since it's the study of living things how animals fuck also falls under this, in fact, there are biologists who solely study how animals fuck

[mickymousie]

Screwing a trap isn't evolution. Oh my god dude. You clearly are so blinded that you're twisting biology to fit your selfish agenda.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie those who study sexuality are sexologists ironically. and no they were doing this far before the leftists took over. and it is a legitimate field of study. has nothing to do with bill nye and genders and bullshit. as this has actual grounds

[mickymousie]

Ugh. Yes because sex needs to be studied. The simple process of a penis entering a vagina to make children in order to survive, or to screwing to be relieved of sexual tension.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie no its not evolution but niether is homosexuality and yet that still falls under biology as both have to do with living things and how they interact

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie and no i am not here now.uiowa.edu/.../sexuality-not-extra-chromosomes-benefits-animal

[mickymousie]

Ugh, I'll give you this, you're a good troll for someone who supposedly only bones Asian girls and traps. My friend was right. Later.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie biologists do study shit that involves sexuality if you again did a fucking minute of research get the fuck out if you dont even have a basic understanding of the field

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie this one is from a legit source also www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1660543/

[TheOtakuMaid]

there are many fields of study in biology sex and sexuality being one of them.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@mickymousie however psychology delves into also

[mickymousie]

Yes because sexuality needs to be studied so you can feel validated about pounding a guy because it looks like a girl. Pounding a guy in the bum is gay. Get over it, you're clearly a moron. You're an idiot and a weeb. Biology is surviving and growing. Screwing a guy is devolving. Just admit. You lost the argument from earlier and you have lost it now. You clearly can't accept it.

[mickymousie]

"traps aren't gay" is a meme. You seriously need a reality check dude. Have a nice day, and please stop being a weeb, it's not healthy.

[Lotla]

So first of all, no one should be shamed because of their tastes. Food, clothes, music, sexual preferences, ... It's not of our concern!
And second, you can't force people to date! At least not in a free contry, I'm not aware of the laws of all countrirs on earth.

[frozenhorizon]

I'm sure this activist would also say guys should be shamed into dating fat girls that they just don't find attractive too

[DonkeyRick69]

Good look because we don't give a fuck

[AngelLily]

No no one's should be forched into dating anyone they don't like.

[AshliKleier]

If they connect, then yes to going on a date

[cth96190]

Anyone who advocates this needs to be chain dragged.