Agree, especially with point 3. And people here talk about abortion like it's an easy decision to make and not traumatizing at all! They sound like they think it should be like: "I don't want to father this child, bye.", "oh, that's ok, I'll have an abortion then.".
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I-Is that good?
Your opinion = ChadMine = virgin
Yes I agree, your opinion kinda sucked because you played into the idea that you can fix a wrong by canceling it out with another wrong.
Yeah, but as of right now, women have all the power and men have none, so it doesn't really matter what you personally feel about the issue, the point is, millions and millions and millions of men have been severely punished to the point of ruining their lives and driving them to suicide for something we let women do every day, all day long, and face ZERO consequences.And you wonder why men are all "going their own way."
On the other one I have a Chad response
@Bananaman177 I don't wonder why men are going their own way actually. I agree with a lot of the stuff MGTOW guys talk about, and I agree with everything you just said about women having all the power and men being largely mistreated by today's society. However, I don't think that allowing men to opt out of parenthood is a good idea just because women do. That's a lot like how feminists think promiscuity in men entitles them to sleep around and be promiscuous themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right, what we should be doing is condemning the wrong behavior from both sides instead of adding to the pandemonium.
@Bananaman177 you forget the millions of deadbeat dads and single mothers.
@jacquesvol Women open their legs to deadbeats, simple and now they're single mothers.
@disgustingweebtrash They only learn later the guy is a deadbeat
@jacquesvol No they don't. You can judge the morals and the character of a man and have a good idea of what he would probably do in that situation before sleeping with him.
If he posts on internet about financial abortion , for instance?
But "the pandemonium" you're talking about is women getting away with it.So your position is that you want that status quo to continue? Because the only other alternative is banning abortion, and I don't see that happening.As long as one gender is actively getting away with murder, it's hypocritical to say that the other gender shouldn't because "two wrongs don't make a right."One wrong does?
No, CT_CD is just trying to point out the hypocrisy of women. He asked another question at the same time as this one asking if it should be okay for a woman to abort a baby. Unsurprisingly, most women supported abortion but condemned the notion of not forcing men to pay child support. Because they're hypocrites.
@Bananaman177 No, I literally said I think the wrong behavior from BOTH sides, abortions and skipping child support, should be condemned. I did not in any way support the notion of continuing the status quo. My position is that all this bullshit just needs to stop and people need to take responsibility and face the consequences of their own mistakes.Yes, it's reasonably fair to grant men the right not to pay child support when women can kill their babies to get out of caring for them, but is it morally right? Is it going to benefit society as a whole? Or better yet, is it going to benefit the children themselves? Absolutely not, but what IS right and what WOULD benefit society is outlawing abortion and discouraging promiscuity.
@jacquesvol You only learn later the girl is lying about birth control, so what?Get off your horse white knight and start critiquing women for their bullshit, they are not immune to criticism.
@disgustingweebtrash Stop your misogyny, please.
@jacquesvol He isn't in any way being misogynistic. And that's coming from a girl.
Misogyny =/= criticismIt is misogynistic to put women on a pedestal and justify all their hypocrisies and decisions by blaming men. You are implying that women are incapable of self awareness and need men to make decisions for them.You are the Misogynist here. No one else. But because of your age you refuse to keep an open mind and concede defeat.
@disgustingweebtrash We met before on that subject.
Yeah, but he should state that he doesn't want a baby even before making one, although accidents can happen. Because what if the woman doesn't want to go through an abortion or to give the baby for adoption? People have to think how traumatizing both situations can be. She's the one that's going to have to not only take care of the baby but won't even have financial support from the father.
i was going to reply myself but you said it all here
And also to add, it says a lot about one's character if you are OK with knowing you have your DNA running in a little kid or child somewhere on the earth and you can't give 2 fucks about him or her.
If they both know the risks how come only women get to opt out?
Exactly @genuinelysensitive, I’m interested in hearing @XRabbitHeartX’s opinion on this
So the reason why women are allowed to abort their babies is because they didn't know sex would result in pregnancy?I thought they taught sex ed to the girls too.
@genuinlysensitive Where did I say women can opt out? Read. "I don't believe in excuses. If you fucked up, it's on you and you gotta handle the consequences plain and simple." Stop making assumptions.
You didn't have to its a fact that women are allowed to opt out legally. Just because you don't say it doesn't change reality.I don't believe anyone should be able to opt out personally, however women can, even though you didn't say it in this thread.
Perfect answer, except for the part of the condom (accidents can happen. So, as you said previously, everytime you have sex, there's a chance of pregnancy).
Well from a legal perspective the woman Is the one having to go through 9 months pregnancy and comes with a lot of complications. That alone changes the game. You as a man only have to pay money. Nothing compared to carrying a baby for almost a year and going through physical changes. Yes condoms can fail but lets be real if you use it correctly then statistically the odds are against you for getting her pregnant. The failure % is minimal with correct usage.
It's "minimal" when you look at the general trends, but that's not how it works in real life. In real life, it happens to one individual at a time, and it's either nothing at all, or it's major. There's no "minimal." You're not minimally pregnant, you either are or you aren't. If a condom fails on you, and you get pregnant, you won't feel like the risk was "minimal."And I know a lady who keeps getting pregnant using condoms AND she's on the pill.
@Bananaman177 Where did I say someone is minimally pregnant? You are either being stubborn or you really didn't understand what I mean. The statistical odds of getting pregnant with CORRECT condom use (which is not rocket science fyi) is minimal. "When used consistently and correctly, condoms are 98% effective in preventing pregnancy and are the only form of birth control that also can prevent STI" www.factsaboutcondoms.com/.../...0FAQ%202.4.13.pdfAnd the pill by the way is 99% effective if used CORRECTLY.If you use condoms and take the pill and get pregnant you are either incredibly stupid or incredibly extremely unlucky (which no, is not every human being who ends up getting pregnant). Most people who get pregnant and are then surprised are ones who are just that stupid and didn't use birth control ("It won't happen to me") or used wrong methods like the pull out method.
And if you are gonna have sex, you are gonna have to accept the odds of pregnancy. That is why people shouldn't sleep around. There is a reason why sex should be between two adults who are mature, in a loving relationship and stable. Sex IS how you make a baby after all. You cannot have sex and then be completely astonished by the fate of a pregnancy. You can lessen these odds but fundamentally sex is how babies are made. That is why you have to THINK and use your BRAIN. Too bad people these days don't have common sense.
You're arguing that the unlucky people don't exist by saying that the chances are "minimal."Well, if it happens to you, the chances won't be "minimal," they'll be a hundred fucking percent.You have minimal chances of shooting yourself playing Russian Roulette too, only one in six people shoots themselves, they're just extremely unlucky.
@Bananaman177 I don't see your point. a) You know the implication of sex when you do so. Everyone knows where babies come from and b) there is protection available that is up to 99% effective. It is on you. Nobody forced you to have sex unless you were raped. You knew point blank what you were doing when you put your dick in a woman or when a woman agreed to have sex. Take ownership.
My point is simply YOUR point, but aimed at YOU also, not just men.It is not "the man's responsibility," it's YOUR responsibility also, it takes TWO people to have sex, both are equally responsible, it is not okay to say it is the man's responsibility only when the legal system is already set up to take men's rights away on a woman's say so.You are EGREGIOUSLY abusing your female privilege and it's very fucking ugly, that's my point.
@Bananaman177 What is ugly is when people choose to be blind and just want to look at their own ignorance. Guess what, nowhere did I say the responsibility falls only on a man. I even addressed this very point earlier in the conversation but guess you didn't even bother to read anything else other than your own opinion. I'm so glad males in my country have more common sense than American egotistical males.
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The woman can opt out before having unprotected sex to but she can get an abortion
They make condoms for women too, so your argument is retarded.
Lmao. Those are inconvenient, expensive and painful.
You're right. Also, about condoms, accidents can happen.
SO ARE MALE CONDOMS, YOU INCREDIBLE DIP!
Lmao they're not expensive, no one ever said they were painful except you just now and inconvenient? How? Those two seconds it takes to put them on? Give me a break dude
So if you don't want kids it's the guy's responsibility to not get you pregnant? That's fucking stupid. It isn't just the guys responsibility. It's both of your jobs to be responsible adults since it takes two to have sex.
It's like women getting pregnant and saying it's the guy's fault cause he didn't wear a condom. You do realize you can protect yourself too right? It's not all on the guy to do it.
And not to mention women have a lot more options for protection to choose from than guys do. Don't expect the guy to cover your ass, cover your own ass.
Then why don't YOU carry the male condoms you want all your male partners to use on you?
Cuz I'm not the one wearing them. Why aren't you carrying my underwear?
Because abandoning your baby and going through an abortion are comparable situations, right?
Most women, even if they don't wanted the baby, won't have an abortion, though... People have to think how traumatizing it can be.
@fmnst I'm sure you've heard of this invention called adoption.
And you think giving your baby for adoption is an easy decision to make too, not traumatizing at all? "I won't father this child.", "Oh, ok, I'll have an abortion then or give it up for adoption." It amazes me how so many people lack empathy.
@fmnst No, it's not easy, but nobody said she can't keep it.
You said "I agree, but he also has to make it known within the time limit where women are legally allowed to abort.", meaning that, if she didn't want to go through an abortion or give the child for adoption, she would have to raise the child with no "help" from the father if he refuses to fulfill his obligation.
@fmnst That is correct. Both parties should have the option to opt out. The reverse would be: nobody gets to opt out, and that is an even worse outcome.
No. When a man decides to abandon his child, the child is still there with the mother and she will have to raise them by hereself. It's not comparable to abortion or giving the child to adoption.
@fmnst explain your position a little more. At this point the site is not showing your opinion (if you added one) and I would like to hear your coherent argument for men not also having a decision with their children.
@fmnst She already has 3 options to choose from and social security in case she has no money to raise it, what more do you want?
@ladsin She must be a troll. 'She' has no opinion.
Didn't think of the monetary contribution for the abortion, but you're absolutely right.
I feel like we’re the only ones who feel this way about both questions 😔
Most women are inherently hypocrites. Nothing more
Is it the woman's responsibility to have the baby? No abortion?
In one way yes
We both created it though.
Yes and the female already pay for it. She have to buy food, toys and more and if you aren't going to be a Part of it you have to pay
Why? Im just asking you to rationally justify your position.
Because when you sleep with a women without condom and she get's pregnant then you are both responsible for the baby. You both created it. If you don't want the baby the mother has to decide if she wants to keep it. It's her body and her choice. Then both have to pay for the kid and kids are expensive.
It's also my child, not just hers. I don't understand your rationale
Yes. It's also your child so it's your responsibly. What does you not understand?
This may clarify it for me, do you think a woman has a right to abort?
So a mother has a right to choose, but a father doesn't have a right to choose to withdraw his financial support? I don't understand that.
Yes a mother has the right because she has a life formed inside her. Not the man. If it was the opposite it would be the same. If men would get pregnant then they had the choice. I believe that it is her body (what only happen to her) so it's her choice.
Well obviously it's not "only happening to her" because you'd be taking my money right? 😂 That means it affects my life as well.
The pregancy and problems with it only happen to her
Except the child that is born from it. That's a pretty big problem with pregnancy if you don't want children XP
to all the woman saying men should take responsibility, many of you want to have the full say to whether you get an abortion or not without giving the man any say. Which proves you feminazis want special privileges, because you want the ability to opt out of your responsibility but you don't want the same for men. Which proves feminism is not about equality.
I'm actually so surprised that so many women are saying that it's the man's responsibility It's as if guys are the only ones who have options for safe sex when in reality women have so many more options. Guys only have condoms (and vasectomies) but we have condoms, implants, pills, shots (and getting our tubes tied). It takes two people to have sex so it's both parties responsibility to have safe sex. Don't expect the other person to cover your ass, cover your own ass.
And the poll is very clear in showing that as much as most women bitch about equality they still want special treatment. They can opt out of a pregnancy but according to the poll a man should be forced to pay for a kid even if he doesn't want it. It's sickening.
@ciitruskiwi Yes exactly they neglect their own part, and yet tell the men to step up. They then wonder why no one takes the word equality seriously anymore. Thank you i'm glad you get it lol.
well anyway I think I made my case so yeah that should be sufficient to get the point I made across lol so yeah just keep in mind what I said and be more sensible in your statement
If you have a solid argument for the contrary please present it because I would be more than happy to hear one. Until this point though I have not