Should fathers have a say in abortion?

[Anonymous]

What if the father really wants to keep the baby? Women and men both have a role to play in creating life and raising children. Why does the woman have all the power in determining the fate of his potential son or daughter? A man has no legal say in the matter. What about the emotional burden of her killing the child he was looking forward to? Is an abortion ever morally wrong because it transgresses the father's rights?

[TingaTinga]

I used to think they could come to an agreement where he could raise the child and she could leave. Now, I have learned how carrying a baby changes a womans body, for life sometimes, health wise not just looks. How it can wreck her teeth, how it can tear apart stomach muscles. How some babies are born with forceps. How many women need stitches after because their vagina got torn or had to be cut (fuckin ouch!) how some end up with emergency c sections which is a major surgery. The severe back pain. How some women still die today during child birth. Many many many things, from disfigurement, to injuries, to life long health problems, to death... Nobody should force anybody to go through that, that would be madness.
It is not a case of just simply carrying a baby for 9 months, otherwise I'd be all for those types of choices and him persuading her to just carry it and give it up to him after, it can be life long pain, life long health issues, or death, so I'd be against that kinda thing.

[witherwing]

This is a tricky question. If the father wants to have the child but the mother doesn't. It would be super easy, if they could just transfer the fetus into the father and he could carry the child for nine months and go through the pain of childbirth. But because no matter what the woman has to birth the child, it makes it more difficult. I do think men should have a say. Childbirth always risks the life if the mother as well, so it's not an easy choice. I think the parents should always come to understand when making the decision, but that's not always the case. Ultimately the choice is on the woman because she is the one having to alter her life even before the baby.

[nicolettacn]

If to imagine that the fetus can be transplanted to a man. I am sure that only half of men who wanted the baby would agree to it. If I were a man I would also want to be a father. I would also say no to abortion if some other woman carries the baby and goes through birth process... many men do not even understand what it means to carry a baby and give birth... they think that every woman goes through it and it should not be that hard.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

Laws are changing to allow men more say in that.

[nicolettacn]

@Klapper_tribelcho would you agree to bear a baby 9 months and then give birth just because a man you might not love or doesn't love said he might want it... and after you give birth he will come once in a while and then create his own family and forget of you and the baby... wait.. i said it too simply... just google difficulty at birth and pregnancy and then give me an answer. I would go through this only with the man I trust like most women

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@nicolettacn Yet women rape men and have babies and force him to be a father when she stole his seed. He had no say who got his seed. If he is raped, he should decide if baby is birthed or aborted. http:// content. time. com /time/nation/article/0,8599,1173414,00. html

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@nicolettacn It's a legal stunt, but as a way of calling attention to double standards and unintended consequences, the campaign makes sense. Matt Dubay, a 25-year-old computer programmer in Michigan, was ordered to pay child support after his former girlfriend had a baby. He says he had made it clear when they were dating that he did not want to have children; she had said she couldn't get pregnant anyway because of a medical condition. When she did get pregnant, he argues, she could have chosen to have an abortion. So shouldn't he have a choice as well, about whether to support a child he never wanted to have?

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@nicolettacn The rights of fathers have always been the background noise of the abortion debate. Beginning with Planned Parenthood v. Danforth in 1976, then in Planned Parenthood v. Casey in 1992, state efforts to require that fathers be notified before women have abortions were struck down by the Supreme Court as placing too great a burden on women. But the Supreme Court ruled in Casey that "it cannot be claimed that the father's interest in the fetus' welfare is equal to the mother's protected liberty..." Requiring a woman to notify her husband before an abortion, the Justices argued, "embodies a view of marriage" that is "repugnant to this court's present understanding of marriage and of the nature of the rights secured by the Constitution." Starting in 1992, women were no longer were required to inform the father that she was getting an abortion. In 6 countries, abortion is sill illegal today.

[nicolettacn]

When there is rape, or the guy/girl makes clear from the very beginning that they need no baby, this is clear you keep the baby to yourself if you are the mother and want it. But a man has no right to disctate a woman to give birth or abort. She must choose herself. Its her body endangered not the man's. Some women can not abort because might never have babies again. Every abortion is a risk of not having babies again. If the woman doesn't want to give birth its her choice because every pregnacy makes the body weaker. She will have scars that never heal, she will get torn or cut and have stiches in her vagina. She might not be able to walk for a while. So why take the risk for a man that took 2 min pleasure and you are not sure he will be there when you go through this.

[nicolettacn]

There are many men that are against abortion but when it comes to real help they run away. So I think only a woman must have the final decision. If the man wants the baby he has to persuade her into this or create an agreement

[nicolettacn]

In the end the woman is not an incubator for a man. At least they should both sit and talk... to say the pros and the cons. Not say who is right and decide for each other

[Numbers-of-EBOLI]

@nicolettacn If a woman rapes a man, he shouldn't be forced to be a father. If a man rapes a woman, he doesn't force her to be a mother. Any woman who rapes a man and has a baby is only having the baby because she stole his seed. A woman who rapes a man doesn't deserve the choice to choose if she wants a baby or not.

[Justacatlady]

Interesting thought. Would that mean in a situation where the women didn't want to keep the child but the man did, and he had a say in whether she could abort, would he then have to take full custody of the child and the woman sign away her rights?
Another situation: One night stand. Does the man, who engaged in sex without the thought of producing offspring still have a right to make a choice about whether the woman be able to abort.
I am leaning towards men having a say but there would have to be certain circumstance where it wouldn't apply I think.

[SnapTsch]

Irrespective of the nature of sex. As long as the sex is consensual, both parties should have a say.

[Justacatlady]

@SnapTsch I don't agree with that. If men were the ones having babies and I had a one night stand with some guy and a child was conceived, I wouldn't want a part of it. I don't want to spend the next twenty+ years having contact with some guy I met one night and thought was bangable. The nature of the union should always be a factor.

[SnapTsch]

If you think that men wouldn't chose to keep the child, then why not? 😊 All I am saying is there should be equal opportunity. If a one night stand leads to pregnancy and the man is forced to pay child support, then he should have the right to chose not to, if he has no say whether or not she should abort it.

[Justacatlady]

@SnapTsch Yes, but unless the people that hooked up, either exchanged info, whether it be phone or social media, how would they even know there was a baby produced? That would be a tricky situation. So many variables to consider. I do agree that in most other relationships, both should have a choice.

[SnapTsch]

If they don't have access to each other then the woman is liable to the economic burden if she gets pregnant and goes forward with it. Similarly the guy doesn't know about the pregnancy so he isn't liable either. But in situations where it is not the case, if you stand for the point of man having no say, then it should be equally supported that the man has the option to chose to or not to have to pay for it. Actions have consequences, and both parties should have equal say and responsibility in case of such situations.

[Justacatlady]

@SnapTsch That is the perfect way to phrase it and I agree with you.

[SnapTsch]

I'm glad that we were able to find a common ground 😊

[Lovemycountryboy]

Yes they should because that is his child to

[stealheart]

Than a man can have a say when it comes to YOUR vagina

[chris1984]

i think a womans body is her own. as is a mans. or a childs.

i'm unsure when i feel a baby has rights, but feel its likely not until they reach legal age, with the parents responsible for the childs safety from birth to the legally recognised age of adulthood.

i think given womem have total domain over their uterus, men should have an equal right to opt out of fatherhood entirely.

if the woman chooses to keep a child the man does not want, the man should not be obliged to participate or provide funds for her decision. but if he opts out he loses any rights in regards to the kid.

[The_Gentelman]

Sounds good. But will never happen since then the hcf will visit the screen again and will say its sexistic bla bla bla and not fair bla bla bla

[chris1984]

which is ironic given the current situation is only favourable to the woman. not even the kids rights are being discussed/protected.

[The_Gentelman]

yeah

[disgustingweebtrash]

Since the woman is carrying it, it should be her say on whether or not she gets it aborted, however the man should be entitled to opting out of parenthood if she wishes to keep it.

But a woman who rapes a man and gets pregnant should get a forced abortion or the man is granted immunity from court in the case she attempts to sue him for child support.

[disgustingweebtrash]

@CT_CD upvote me so the misandrists don't win

[Asker]

Done

[disgustingweebtrash]

Thank you

[CarpetDenim]

Agree with the second part, but sorry bud Ima have to say fuck that to the first thing. That's along the line of thinking that's creating and worsening the problem here. The father should definitely get to have a role in deciding whether or not his baby is ripped from the world before it even exits its mother's womb. I'm not saying he should have the ultimate say, considering the mother is the one carrying, but he should have a considerable role in the "keep it" question, just as he had a role in the "bang or not" question. And it goes both ways, if the man should get a say in the woman's ability to opt out (done so by killing his baby), and he should, then the woman should also get a say in the man's ability to opt out (done so by leaving them financially vulnerable).

[CarpetDenim]

Who do you think are most of the idiots sleeping around and getting knocked up? "Unintended pregnancies are highest among poor and low-income women, women aged 18-24, cohabiting women, and minority women." Basically the exact same people who can't actually take care of a goddamn baby. The poor, the uneducated, those lacking in access to birth control and other contraceptions, or those who are simply too fucking stupid to know they should've used them. If the father skips out on offering financial support to a new mother who is probably living in poverty and is unable or greatly hindered in her ability to get employed because she has a baby to single-handedly take care of, that baby might as well have been aborted anyways. It's most likely going to starve, or be subjected to extreme negligence while its mother leaves it for the most part alone in order to bring home the slightest bit of an income, usually through illegal means (prostitution, selling drugs, etc.).

[CarpetDenim]

You get what I'm trying to say here? Letting all men skip out on child support is not going to fix a single thing, it'll just kill and completely ruin the lives of a bunch of babies whose mothers wanted so much to try and save them. You've been thinking along the lines of well-off women deliberately getting pregnant to rape the man in court for money, but those are NOT the majority of unplanned pregnancies.

[chris1984]

i think similarly to weeb here. it's not about whether or not the kid would end up "as good as aborted anyway", its about whether a guy who has no say in the existence of a kid can fairly be forced to pay for that kids existence. in my opinion the woman should have total autonomy over her body. but if she keeps a kid i don't want she's on her own.

[CarpetDenim]

"It's about whether a guy who has no say in the existence of a kid can fairly be forced to pay for that kid's existence." Did you really just say that? Really? The man has no say in the existence of the child? How about when he FUCKED THE MOTHER?

[chris1984]

yeah we could go there. how about when she fucked him? both of them couldbe abstinent. shall we just all stop having sex? it would solve the problem.

[CarpetDenim]

Yeah actually we should. Either that or learn how to use a fucking condom or how to take a birth control or day after pill. I think the only thing that is morally right and that will remedy these fucked up situations and help society as a whole is to completely outlaw abortion, discourage promiscuity, educate idiots on contraception and make contraception more accessible, and force couples who get knocked up anyways to take responsibility and care for the new life they just accidentally made.

[chris1984]

i think that education and proper contraception are important. but the whole point of laws is to deal with situations where shit has not gone as planned. don't kill each other is an awesome ideal. what do we do when someone does? not impregnating/being impregnated by someone you don't want to be with? one wants the baby the other doesnt? then what? the gap in the LAW is the issue of powerlessness i am talking about. he has no legal right to enforce his will on her. and is legally obliged to pay for her decision. that needs to change in my opinion.

[jacquesvol]

@CarpetDenim Society can only stop safe abortions. Unsafe abortions will stay anyhow.

[CarpetDenim]

@chris1984 I think it's largely all circumstantial. Like if a woman was raped or if carrying/delivering a baby would be seriously detrimental to her health, she should have the option to abort it. Likewise, how much and if a man should support them financially should be contingent upon how capable the mother is in caring for the baby without support from him. For instance, if she's got support from other people and lives in an environment where the baby can be adequately taken care of with a steady income and supply of sustenance then by all means the man should be able to walk away without paying a dime. In cases like that, he isn't just leaving them to die, and they'll be okay without him. @jacquesvol It will still succeed in making abortions as a whole considerably less accessible, less socially acceptable, and thus less rampant.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Thank you for MHO

[curiousnorway]

I think as long abortion is legal it should be a law where if not both are consenting to abortion, then the mother aren't allowed to undergo one. Regardless if it's the father or the mother who wants to keep the child no abortion should be taken. But if both the mother and the father is agreeing in abortion, then they can do it where abortion is legal by law.

The child is as much the father's child as the mother's child. Just because you're a male don't mean you love your child lesser. Regardless if you're female or male you can love your child. In more than 90% of the cases the male and the female had consenting sex meaning they knew they took a risk. If the mother undergoes abortion against the father's will, she's stealing the child from him and for the father who want the child it would feel like a permanent murder.

[nicolettacn]

So if there will be such law and a girl gets raped.. the rapist says I do not agree to abortion and the girl remains with what? It is a bigger risk for a woman than for the man. A man had a 2min pleasure and 9 months he is free to fuck with other girls whether the woman must keep an unwanted baby in her belly and suffer? I think its a mutual thing.. and if the man wants the baby why doesn't he prove he is worth being a father. Why not marry the girl and creat a completed family? In other case when the man insists in her keeping the baby and visits her once a month and then less ot destroying 2 lives. The mother life because she might not feel complete and womanly happy and the kilds... because that kild would not have a complete family. This is called being selfish. The women mostly think about their baby... who is their father, how she will raise the baby... thats why most choose abortion because the can not make the kids life happy.

[nicolettacn]

So i think the man has a right when he is a husbant or at least he plans to be close to the woman and the baby forever. To make them feel secure and complete

[curiousnorway]

@nicolettacn, they can make expectations if it's proven it's rape. But in 99% of the cases the female is consenting to have sex with the male and it's not rape. In addition the man who want to keep the child can take care of it and some are also fine with the woman divorcing and leaving him. Not every men is the same. First of all if you're going to have sex, use contraception. If you don't think contraception is something for you, you don't have to penetrate during sex. During consenting sex you're consenting to have sex and do it voluntarily!

[nicolettacn]

Then why so many men consent to sex and the woman becomes pregnant even with contraception and they run away? Dont in this case the woman also choose to do abortion? I would never want to go through this. But I dont believe that in every case the man has a right to say something. There are so many rape cases where it is not proves rape. Or the man might be sick of some genetic illness. Why should the baby suffer. I believe that a baby should not get born in a brocken family or kinda on streets where the pai had sex only once and the man comes to show off his rights

[InfoBot]

The father should have the right to be aborted too. If he doesn't wish to be a father he should be able to be dissected and sucked into a vacuum device.

[disgustingweebtrash]

That's my fetish

[chris1984]

you are both monsters 😂

[nicolettacn]

I think that from the very begining they both should know if they are ready or no for a baby. I think the father has a saying in it but the final decision is after the mother. In the end men can leave evey moment but a mother remains a mother for life. And she keeps a responsibility for the baby greater than the father nowadays. I respect men that in such cases are ready to take care of the baby rather than run away. As long as he can convience the woman I think its great.

[CarpetDenim]

"In the end men can leave any moment but a mother remains a mother for life." Not true. My biological mother walked out when I was a baby. She divorced my father and left him all alone with three little babies to take care of and didn't give a shit about us. And she never paid child support either and faced no repercussions for it, even though she was supposed to.

[nicolettacn]

I think your father is a hero. I know there are cases as yours also. But mostly men ask girls to do abortions than ask them not to

[elimenterymydear]

If a women didn't want a baby then she should have been on a pill or he should have had a condom on. The father should have a say it's not our fault if the woman was being stupid. #Prolife

[nicolettacn]

Why would the woman be stupid? There are many cases when condoms break or pills do not work and the girl is pregnant? Why isn't the man stupid that he could not pull out on time and couldnt take into consideration that condoms sometimes break?

[elimenterymydear]

I'm not saying that there is no such thing as a dumb man. There is I have met many. What I am saying is in this case we assume the woman had unprotected sex. It is the woman's fault in this case. If its was a failed condom or non working pill then the woman should decide but if not then the man should also have a say. Or take it to court.

[nicolettacn]

I do not think its the womans fault for unprotected sex, the man is also at fault as much as the woman and sometimes even more. I know plenty of cases where really naive unexperienced youg girls get used by older men which sometimes intentionately leave them pregnant and just disappears

[elimenterymydear]

That's is not what I'm talking about! Sure there are cases where women should have control BUT if they are both consenting adults that know what will happen and she decides to have unprotected sex IT IS HER FAULT in this case the man should have 50/50 control with the decision of a jury.

[nicolettacn]

I am sorry, I do not want to make it an argument but I do not believe and I disagree with this statement. We can talk forever but I think that minimum both are at fault and with 20% more at fault is the man.

[elimenterymydear]

I strongly disagree agree. I think they share equal at fault. You can't just give the man extra fault because you are a woman.

[nicolettacn]

Its not because i am a woman... but its not that a woman is at fault for getting pregnant. In this case she should never have sex if she doesn't plan a baby. If women dont have sex then men also have no sex. I am saying that he could pull out before finishing also for extra care. Why not? Why are always women the acused ones and the men sometimes shouldn't even get anounced of what he have done. Its just not fair.

[elimenterymydear]

You are changing your argument. It is just as much the women's fault for getting pregnant as it is for the man fertilizing her egg. You are clearly being biased.

[nicolettacn]

Firstly you said that it is the woman's fault for having unprotected sex and its only her fault and still the man has tge right of saying. Now you say its equal. You are the one changing his opinion not me.

[elimenterymydear]

Do you want me to say its completely the woman's fault? I'm trying to find common ground. I will gladly say it the women's fault if you want me to. However I doubt you do.

[nicolettacn]

"What I am saying is in this case we assume the woman had unprotected sex. It is the woman's fault in this case. " "Sure there are cases where women should have control BUT if they are both consenting adults that know what will happen and she decides to have unprotected sex IT IS HER FAULT " This is what you have already said

[nicolettacn]

"The father should have a say it's not our fault if the woman was being stupid " and this up there also said by you

[MikeAndMolly]

I think he should have some level of influence over that decision, but not nearly the level that the mother has.

Unfortunately, that's hard to adjudicate.

How do you give him influence without restricting her choice? In an ideal world, they'd be able to support fetuses without a womb and then I'd argue that a father should have a right to claim a fetus as his own if a woman would otherwise just abort it.

A fetus isn't worth as much as a woman's freedom, but it isn't worth nothing, either.

[goddess87]

She is the one risking her life during pregnancy and child birth. A man should be told, but ultimately the decision is and should be hers.

[ManIsGoD89]

Yes. because the man is nothing except a sperm giver to you ! pathetic.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 yeah.

[ManIsGoD89]

@Warmapplecrumble Then I hope a fucked up future for you ma'am

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 I hope your wife goes through what I did. Then you decide... if the rapist should keep the baby.

[ManIsGoD89]

@Warmapplecrumble That's not gonna happen cause my future wife is not mentally ill like you.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 I hope you learn your lesson for mocking a woman who got raped.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 nature will teach you.

[ManIsGoD89]

@Warmapplecrumble Who said you got raped? you are all liars scumbags. And again you are fucked in the head.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 nature will teach you for mocking me. I am done with you.

[ManIsGoD89]

@Warmapplecrumble Nobody is mocking you except you are using your case to generalize shittin on men ! bye

[jacquesvol]

@ManIsGoD89 If a guy wants to be more than a sperm giver, he should find a girl who wants HIS baby. Otherwise, a gift is property of the one who receives it. (thus the girl, and she can decide. Only she) E. G. If I you give me a MAGA cap and I accept it, you can't stop me from throwing it in the first waste basket. :)

[jacquesvol]

@Klapper_Tribelcho same to you.

[jacquesvol]

@ManIsGoD89 @Klapper_Tribelcho

[HotJealousy]

I think that if you have an unplanned pregnancy in this day and age then you're not mature enough to be having sex. (In my country) condoms are free, the pill is free, an implant is free and sex education is free. If you're so irresponsible that you can't have some form of contraception then you shouldn't be having sex.

So my choice is don't get pregnant/get a girl pregnant in the first place.

[EpicDweeb]

... I don't want anyone denying my child the right to live. If a married couple is having a child I feel as though the abortion decision MUST be unanimous between both parents... even then I'm firmly against abortion in any context other than the endangerment of the mother's life. (not lifestyle, actually life/death).

[chihuahuacow287]

It depends. If he does something she doesn't want to or leaves her when he finds out she's pregnant, then no. If he stays with her and is respectful then yes, but it is ultimately the decision of the mother since she is the one who will carry it around for 9 months then push it out if they decide to keep it.

[Warmapplecrumble]

She is carrying the baby for 9 months.

And the father can be a rapist.

So I think men shouldn't have a say in it.

[loyalhanna]

If conceived by rape no but why say that off the bat.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@loyalhanna because that happened to me._.

[curiousnorway]

In more than 90% of the cases it's consenting sex between the male and the female. Under 1% of the abortion cases are rape, so a such generalization won't work.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Dont understand the down votes as if I called every man a rapist. ._.

[curiousnorway]

Just because a few is rapists don't mean every men shouldn't have a say in it, and that was my point. I know you know that not all men are rapists, but the logic just because some are, therefor it should apply to all is the logic I'm strongly disagreeing in! It's a difference between thinking no men should have a say and only rapists shouldn't have a say.

[nicolettacn]

In case of a rapist he should be put to prison or killed... only the mother can decide about the baby. But in case you are in a relationship but the woman is still not ready for the baby when the guy wants it. First of all he should not be selfish and understand that pregnancy is a thoough thing, mentally and phisically. If he can stay always by her side and the side of the baby -create a family, then he has to convince her. But if he want her to give birth and visit her once a month... only the woman must decide here.

[curiousnorway]

@nicolettacn, what if the man want to take care of the child all the time and is fine with the woman divorcing and leaving him? These cases also exists and is a fine way to solve the problem in my opinion.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@curiousnorway Men shouldn't have a say in it because carrying a baby for 9 months is hard work and if it wasn't for medicine many women will die. And whats wrong with saying about rape? What if your wife got raped and the law states that the father decides also to keep the baby...

[Warmapplecrumble]

@curiousnorway pushing the baby out the womb and carrying it for 9 months and breast feeding the baby for a year isn't a joke.

[nicolettacn]

I think a man has a saying when he is and wished to be close to the baby forever. And support the mother despite the fact they divorce or no. But anyway the last word is after the mother. If he want that much the baby he has to convince her. Either "buy it " from her if she was a one night stand or stuff. Or just discuss with her the issue, marry, etc.

[nicolettacn]

I think that when a woman becomes pregnant the guy has a high responsibility in this. But in a case of abortion it depends on every individual case

[Warmapplecrumble]

@nicolettacn I'm sorry but carrying a baby could mean death to the mother in some cases, it should be her choice. And a man needs to realise this every time he sleeps with a woman.

[nicolettacn]

It is more a stereotype. The guy either marries the girl... or leaves her even if he insists on the baby. Most girls are afraid of being alone and not be capable to take care of the baby. I think this is the main reason for abortion.

[curiousnorway]

@nicolettacn, stereotypes aren't always true. Actually, just because pregnancy can be tough doesn't mean they're always dangerous. In cases where it's a danger for the mother's health and it's either one survive or both dies I think it's fine doing an exception. Yeah, the man is consenting to sex, but so do the woman during consenting sex. As long abortion is legal, I think both parts should have a say. I'm a pro-life, so I'm skeptical to the casual abortion anyway.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@nicolettacn main reason for abortion is Rape Medical complications Financial difficulties Depression Negative impact on mothers life Relationship problems By saying

[nicolettacn]

@warmapplecrumble you are right. Here it just depends on the relationship of the 2 and how secure the guy makes the mother to feel. Pregnancy/child birth is always a risk even for the healthiest woman. But deep inside I believe that evey woman want to become a mother despite the risks and I believe that every mother suffers from abortion more than a man

[Warmapplecrumble]

By saying yes to this rule if a man rapes a woman, he will be entitled to child. If the mother can die and the father wants baby, then the mother will die. If a woman going through domestic violence has a baby her husband can say yes. If a woman is a prostitute and her customer can decide to keep the baby. I can go on and on and on. This rule will harm more women than ever.

[nicolettacn]

@warmapplecrumble here I agree

[Warmapplecrumble]

@nicolettacn women who go through abortion 80 percent of the time have a issue. They aren't in normal relationships.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@curiousnorway and also by having the chance to say yes, he also will have a say in abortion. So if woman wants to keep the baby... but the guy doesn't he'll always have a say. I know countries like this exist. And trust me this law is horror to them.

[the_legitbacon]

Oh shit, I wasn't aware that all men were rapists

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@Waemapplecrumble A woman can rape a man and have a baby. She shouldn't be allowed to be a mother when she stole his stole. He had no say in which woman got his seed. It should be his decision if he's raped.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@nicolettacn If a woman rapes a woman, she shouldn't be allowed to birth a baby on stolen seed. It should be his choice. His body, his rights too. He didn't have a say in which woman gained his seed.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@Warmapplecrumble A woman can rape a man and have a baby. She shouldn't be allowed to be a mother when she stole his stole. He had no say in which woman got his seed. It should be his decision if he's raped.

[ManIsGoD89]

You mean the rapist shouldn't have a say in it ! not men in general. Here we go... I corrected your fucked up opinion. and the 9th dislike was from me.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@Klapper_Tribelcho @ManIsGoD89 If your wifes get raped by a man and get pregnant. I hope the rapist *father* gets a say in if he should keep the baby. And I never spoke about all men.

[the_legitbacon]

So hold up, should women get to vote on if we go to war? Only the men have to sign up for draft, women get to choose.

[Warmapplecrumble]

@the_legitbacon So if your wife got raped by a man... does he have the right to say if she should keep the baby?

[ManIsGoD89]

And how often the rapist impregnate his victims? ahaaaa You're not that smart, aren't you?

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 I got raped by a man and he impregnated me. Should he have had the right for me to keep his baby?

[ManIsGoD89]

So you use your case to generalize that subject? Again how often that will happen?

[Warmapplecrumble]

@ManIsGoD89 I never said all men. Re read what I wrote. And women who get abortions are not happy. Normal women in relationships will be very happy to be pregnant. We are not talking about women who are happy. Its women who are depressed. But heck you don't give a two flying. So I hope you experience it. Then you'll understand.

[the_legitbacon]

Does he get the choice of he's being tried for rape?

[ManIsGoD89]

Should I feel sorry for you? I dont believe a one bit. every time a women like you lose an argument she will say i got raped !!! give me a break.

[Warmapplecrumble]

This post actually makes me very sad that you men down voted me because what I experienced in my past. Let alone trying to understand what I wrote.. being rude and nasty to me. Disgusting behaviour. Done with this post.

[ManIsGoD89]

Nobody care !!!

[nicolettacn]

@manisgod89 @thelegitbacon Oh my Godness... I have never thought a man could be so disrepectful for a woman. You were all born from the womb of a mother... how can you be so rude to a girl? She had a horrible past and you behave like spoiled brats who do not know anything about the world. Shame on you! Be more respectful of someone's grief. And because she had such an experience you should show her that not men are the same but you just prove it wrong!

[nicolettacn]

Just think like that.. if your mother/sister/wife comes to you and says she was rape and got pregnant.. you gona say " you lier and murderer, never think of abortion you have to ask the father which i do not believe he raped you!"" ?

[nicolettacn]

Of course there are cases when the father has the right to know and to try to persuade the girl. Same as we dont force you to go to army or war.. you also should not force us to give birth from a man we do not want

[nicolettacn]

Abortion is a situation in which a woman only can have the final decision because it implies HER HEALTH !!! And HER LIFE!!! same as army or war for men!. Nobody should force anybody to anything!!! If the man wants the baby he should try to persuade the woman and show her the pros... not just say " you must"

[nicolettacn]

Please men, review you behavior and ideas.. stop behaving like in middle age when a woman was considered a womb and nothing more.. and she should have done what the man wanted her to

[nicolettacn]

"I dont believe you were raped" the stupidiest thing i have ever read in my all life. Were you there? Did you see it yourself? Only the GOD and the Judge can give an answer. You have to shut up about her life! @manisgod89

[the_legitbacon]

Obviously I meant if. As in "does he get to choose the abortion if he is under investigating for that felony" the obvious answer being "no" meaning of course a rapist couldn't choose, they are a criminal. Now instead of starting off assuming im some sexist disrespectful male monstrosity, look at my previous replies and use your great

[the_legitbacon]

Head*... Oof

[nicolettacn]

From the very begining she has mentioned about the father rapists and that she was raped, thats why she see this world this way. You could have given her better arguments and examples.. good ones, not just attack her with the fact that she is a lier. Why so agressive? Why not calmly explain?

[the_legitbacon]

Because this is literally shit that ruined my brother's life! Things she's implying, that a man can't have any choice in the life of his child, that's fucking horrid. My brother's girlfriend was raped by our father, she got pregnant. They didn't know if it was my brother's or my father, so his girlfriend decided she would keep the Kid, that she couldn't forgive herself if they killed his son. Perfectly reasonable right? But my brother wanted abortion because he already hated our father, at this point he was contemplating killing the son of a bitch, and he knew he could never love the Kid if it was our father's. He didn't want to have a baby he couldn't love. Also reasonable?

[the_legitbacon]

This is why it should be a team decision. She had that kid, it was my father's. My brother went into a very dark place, he's a fucking drunkard now. Can't even stand to look at his own kid or the girl he loved. Why? Because he had no legal right to have a say. He was given the decision: break up with the girl he loved, or raise a child that he would always hate. But he didn't want to be an abusive father like our's so he left her. Now her life is fucked over too, right? I was merely comparing it to another instance in which only one gender is forced to do something. All male US citezens when they hit 18 have to sign up for the draft, women do not. Women are permitted to serve, but are not forced. If Congress voted on whether or not we go to war, isn't that putting the lives of those men in female voters hands as well?

[the_legitbacon]

I never meant to sound like I was defending a rapist, or blaming the victim of rape. I've seen the damage it causes, I was sexually abused, my brother was, his girlfriend was raped. All by the same man. Abortion is in no way an easy topic, and there is always a time when it works and doesn't. But to ignore the existence of a man's feelings, his thoughts, his obligations (hint hint, maybe he knows they can't afford to feed it) is stupid and downright disgusting. But sexism is only ever one sided these days. Men are all rapists and men don't have hearts and men can't love and men don't cry and men don't have fears. Only women

[ManIsGoD89]

@nicolettacn again all you doing is drama queen stuff !!! for one second leave your emotion behind and think about it !!! HOW THE FUCK A MAN HAS NO SAY IN IT? I'm not talking about the rapists... I'm talking about normal man. just like you said that's her body... I will tell you that's his sperm and he HAVE a say in it. Look... this reckless behavior by you women who keep shitting on men like this is not acceptable. ALL I'm SAYING ITS 50/50 decision. you sexist !!!

[the_legitbacon]

Cool it @ManIGoD89 enough with the barbaric shit. You're not treating them very equal to how you would like to be treated, eh?

[nicolettacn]

Now I understand your point, and from this view you are right. It always depends how you put it. As I have mentioned before, abortion is something that endangeres the womans body so its a choice of the persons body. I am not saying the man has not rights of saying. It just depends on the situation, if you can convince or not the woman. But if you make it legat for a man to have a saying. Before you get in front of the judge the woman would need to give birth already. As I have mentioned above, It depends on any individual case

[the_legitbacon]

i guess you're right there. I do think it should be mutually agreed upon. it just doesn't always come out nice and clean, and that's when legal issues happen

[ManIsGoD89]

@the_legitbacon why dont you shut up for a second ! and stop your white knight faggot shit bruh..

[ManIsGoD89]

I have the right to voice my opinion !! dont like it? get lost.

[the_legitbacon]

Don't like our opinions? Get lost

[nicolettacn]

My opinion is that when the situation accures, no matter your relationship you should sit and talk about it, say what each other wants and try to find a solution. I think that the man must always be informed if the woman is pregnant and support her no matter what... not to argue and ask for abortion or force her to keep the baby just calmly get to the same point

[ManIsGoD89]

you mentioned me first. dumbass ! lol

[the_legitbacon]

I did mention you first. I'm glad you can read. So how about you read the agreement you sided with when making your GaG account?

[the_legitbacon]

You're breaking some rules

[ManIsGoD89]

Responding to someone implying all men are rapists and have nothing to say in an abortion? hmmmmmm please men just grow some balls.

[the_legitbacon]

Nope. "Harrasment". "Derogatory assault upon race, gender, sexuality, or belief". "Being a general nuisance" must I go on? Does this 'White Knight' need to go as far as reporting you? And every other comment that breaks the policy. You only get so many strikes. Now, yes I know that this is just a troll account you made to try and get a reaction out of the innocent but I'll bite: how much are you really compensating for?

[ManIsGoD89]

Again grow some balls boy... This is not trolling just like anyone have a right to say anything they should expect someone dont agree with them so i suggests you get out from your bubble and suck it up.

[the_legitbacon]

It isn't quality trolling I'll give you that. You're pretty terrible at it. Either that or your opinion is so misconstrued and your jargen is so poor that you actually sound like you're a little slow? Did Santa finally get you that extra chromosome for Christmas?

[ManIsGoD89]

Is that the best you got? LOL you remind me of one of the geeks I used to make fun off... damn you're boring as fuck

[the_legitbacon]

And you're no longer funny, see ya carpet troll

[the_legitbacon]

You just got too cliche

[ManIsGoD89]

Bye triggered geek !!!

[ladsin]

No one has a right to another persons organs without their consent. It does not matter if the father wants to keep the fetus. If he wants to get rid of it, then I think he should have the option to withdraw monetary support, but he also doesn't have the right to drug, or otherwise kill the fetus without its mother's consent (as that would involve her body.)

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@ladsin Yet women rape men and have babies and force him to be a father when she stole his seed. He had no say who got his seed. If he is raped, he should decide if baby is birthed or aborted.

[ladsin]

@Klapper_Tribelcho he could renounce his parental rights and have nothing to do with the child, but he can't drug a woman, or otherwise accost her person because of it.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

@ladsin A woman who rapes a man doesn't deserve the choice to birth his baby. It should be his choice as he was the victim.

[ladsin]

@Klapper_Tribelcho I disagree

[Numbers-of-EBOLI]

@ladsin Oh, so a woman can rape a man and force him to be a father but a man can't rape a woman and force her to be a mother? You don't disagree. You're just saying that because you're mad. A woman who rapes a man is only having the baby because she forced him. No woman who rapes a man deserves to be a mother. Quit with this 'women are superior to men' attitude because say that crap to my face and you'd get tagged good and hurt bad.

[ladsin]

@Numbers-of-EBOLI I never said nor implied that women are better than men. I also don't think they are. It's a bodily rights issue

[Numbers-of-EBOLI]

@ladsin But when a woman rapes a man, he didn't have his bodily rights to keep his seed from entering her.

[ladsin]

@Numbers-of-EBOLI he had bodily rights, they were infringed upon. She should be arrested, but no one can decide what another person does with their organs.

[Numbers-of-EBOLI]

@ladsin Yet she decided what he did with his sperm though.

[ladsin]

@Numbers-of-EBOLI I think you're just trolling. Have a good one buddyy

[Numbers-of-EBOLI]

@ladsin I'm not trolling. You think it's okay when women rape men by taking his sperm organs away, Simple as that.

[Aime-moi]

I think the father should have a say, but unfortunately for many fathers it is ultimately the woman's decision because she is the one carrying the baby.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

When a woman rapes a man and keeps the baby, she is birthing a baby on stolen seed. He didn't get a say in which woman gained his seed. Maybe he didn't want any woman to get his seed.

[stealheart]

unfortunately🙄

[ThisDudeHere]

I think of it this way- since it is her body, men should not have a say what she does with it but at the same time, to compensate, they should have the freedom to not be a father when she chooses to not abort.

[booshlinux]

I honestly think that if the girl doesn't put any of the wants from the guy into consideration, and just continues doing what she wants to do the guy should have kept his dick away from that narcissistic skank from the start.

[stealheart]

You're the skank

[carlos06]

No. Why? Because you're not suffering the consequences of the pregnancy.

You can try to convince her, sure. And she might agree to have the child and then leace if she wants. That you can do.

But ultimately it's her decision because it's her body and her life that will be affected; therefore it's her choice to endure that or not

[CubsterShura]

It depends.

[FemWorship]

Yes, they get a 20% vote, backed up with a fund that makes either route painless, easy & insulated from a harsh life

[jimyee]

Where as he should have a say; as in having a conversation with his partner about it but the fact of the matter even in this day and age there are still risks and complications that can occur so ultimately it should be the women's choice. No one should ever be able to force another human being into being in a potentionally life threatening situation.

[bubble_tea]

No, I don't think it's right to force someone to have your baby, but you can try to persuade her to change her mind.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

Women rape men and force him to be a father. Is that right?

[bubble_tea]

@Klapper_Tribelcho No. See my answer in CT_CD's other question regarding forced fatherhood.

[Klapper_Tribelcho]

PM me the link.

[PaulMarrow]

It's like this, I can give you a truck load of bricks. I can not demand that you build me a shed.

[pickyourcliche]

The father's feelings should be taken into account coz it'd be their child too, but ultimately the mother has the final say coz she's the one who has to carry it and go through labour and all that stuff guys can't even imagine going through.