MGTOW and the tragedy of feminism?

[CartelMission]

This is a list which links together.

1. Feminism has destroyed the bond between men and women. Get used to it.
2. MGTOW are Men Going Their Own Way. We dont need you in our lives. You're the one who REALLY wants marriage and children. (IVF anyone?) We won't give you access to our resources (after all, you can do it all right?) and we dont need to be chivalrous since thats "patriarchy"
3. WE opt out because we dont need to share our hard earned work with you. You're not worth the sparkly rocks you covet.
4. Relationships are a BAD DEAL for men. Better to be honest. You are of little value in the long run. You cost more than you're worth and all we get is aging pu$$y and sagging tits over the long term.
5. We dont want a vagina legally attached to our wallets. (see number 4)
6. We can get laid. Thanks to those who support "slutwalks" womens 'sexual freedom' and its toxic thinking, women have flooded the market with sex. No need to BUY THE COW. EVER AGAIN
7. We are tired of being told that just being a man is wrong.
8. Men who slam us are the guys you'll cheat on and get bored with. We call them SIMPS and BETAs. They're BITCHES and weak and we'll sit back and watch as you use and abuse them. You can take their money. After all, their giving it to you anyway.
9. Women who have lost their VALUES have lost their VALUE. Feminism has won its battle. Sadly, women will only win weak men.
10. You will not be hired. You will not be mentored. You will not be consulted. These prices will come, because MEN built the society you take for granted. As we continue forward, MEN will want to protect their gains, and your vagina is just a dumpster fire waiting to happen.

[Fallahad]

MGTOW are pathetic and pitty. And you know why?

Because there were always men that didn't want to have a relationship and didn't want to do what society expected from them. And that's totally fine. It's an valid, individual decision. But these men did it because IT MADE THEM HAPPY. They were happy and fulfilled living like this. They were really men going their own way, not MGTOW.

MGTOW, on the other hand, are men who deep inside WANTED SO BADLY A RELATIONSHIP, WANTED A WOMAN TO LOVE THEM, and got frustrated because that was denied to them. So instead of living their lifes happily, they decided to make a point and declare to the four corners of the world that they don't need a relationship or women, when in fact they wanted that. They are hurt and resentful.

This is why, unlike men who are actually happy being on their own and don't feel the need to make it a flag, these MGTOW like to brag that they don't need women whenever they can.

Deep inside, MGTOW hope that by their actions they will show women that they are acting wrong and maybe one day change things so they can have the love and relationship they want so badly. This is pathetic and sad.

[Goochbreaker]

This man is both brave and correct. He still has some balls between his legs. To you my good sir, a fine salute, you see with eyes unclouded and for that you are rewarded with clarity. #1 point is the most important, which is probs why he put it first.

Women can some of you agree with this? I've seen a few on gag that acknowledge feminism is evil, but only a few. Are women really so easy to manipulate as this? Sell them feminism and they buy it hook line and sinker even if it's a fucking terrible deal for them? Come on ladies, let me see some outliers!

[Leafpool2]

This is the most pathetic whine fest I've ever seen in my fucking life

[Goochbreaker]

why don't you take that observation and turn it into an argument that addresses each point individually?

[lilaqua]

I also think it’s effected by male selfishness and extremism.

[Goochbreaker]

go on?

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker I think the less importance placed on marriage/long term relationships by both genders comes mainly from selfishness and an inability to take on responsibility. There’s this underlying sense of “i have all this money what’s the point” which kind of suggests an absolute tether to material possessions and a complete disinterest in relationships. For these types of men they want all the positives of a traditional society for men eg. a completely submissive wife yet fail to understand that in that world they have to also furfull the gender stereotypes of the day and stop acting like adult children. They also exclaim that the other side is breaking down relationships but don’t seem to show any fondness for a long term relationship other than a step ford wife robotic sex slave sort of situation. Shallowness and anti-natalism isn’t unique to MGTOW communities though, but the third wave feminist rhetoric also spouts this superficial bullshit. It’s the horseshoe effect.

[Goochbreaker]

feminism is the problem, feminism is the prescribed movement from the top down from the cultural engineers to women IN ORDER TO control men through their women. MGTOW is a response to that. You can't call them both equal when one side is responsible. Many men out there are happy to be a traditional male if only there are traditional females to be their companion, but because of feminism, there are not. Men don't want marriage because it's a shitty deal now, that doesn't mean they don't want what marriage used to be, it's just that it doesn't appear to exist so we have the mgtow response. The day robotic sex slaves are perfected is the day women worldwide are going to have to seriously up their game. It's sad but the fact that most men these days would replace their partner with a sexbot shows exactly what value females bring to the table. Bring more.

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker sure, I agree it’s a response but I think the community as a whole is just as toxic, illogical and ridiculous. After seeing roaming millennial fight with a guy called “angry MGTOW”, I am under the impression that MGTOW and the incel movement are just equally batshit as the feminists. Again this wouldn’t be everyone, but they certainly don’t make a great name for themselves. I really don’t know that many SJWs I my life so I find it kind of difficult to really believe that it’s that much of a problem, again it’s only anecdotal but I just can’t really say any more because I haven’t really met these people. All of this crap is purely from stuff I’ve seen online.

[Goochbreaker]

don't judge a movement by your limited scope of it. Your avg mgtow is completely silent about the fact that he is mgtow and you'll never know it other than by his socially reclusive tendencies. MGTOW is a logical reaction to feminism which is basically a psy op perpetrated from the top down upon an unsuspecting and extremely gullible female population. The mgtow who are toxic weren't brainwashed to be that way by the state and culture (the way women are brainwashed into feminism) , no, the damaged souls of the mgtow movement got their scars from the useful idiots, the pawns, the mind controlled women under the spell of feminist ideology. There is nothing more unhealthy for a man than a feminist. Just imagine being stuck in a relationship with angrymgtow... my point here is yes both sides are toxic but one is a reaction, don't get mad at the reaction. The order of blame goes like this 1. cultural engineers 2. women 3. men

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker fine, fix it then. The idea that the MGTOWs are social reclusives assumingly from everyone kind of strikes a chord with me. Like they purposefully appeal to the shy and bitter, not your average dude, similarly to the Nazi party, cults or SJWs. Look man if you look in the scope of things every social movement is a reaction to something. SJWs came out of the social mistreatment of women and minorities in the previous decades, all of these movements seem to come out of a place which is at least good natured. I think those that hijacked the movement are interested in power and power alone, but they dont differ from the church, corrupt government or again, the Nazis in their intent. In my mind I don’t see it as any different.

[Goochbreaker]

SJWS absolutely did not come about as you think. I know it's going to piss you off to hear this but give me a chance here, I am going to tell you something. You think exactly what they want you to think. What you are saying about how SJWs came about is not true, and the reason you think that is because you have grown up going through the cultural institutions, and this stuff is all top down from the cultural engineers to us you must understand. Good movements are hijacked, I agree, and you can view feminism as that in a way. Manipulators always capitalize on existing sentiment. If not for the manipulators, feminism would have manifested in a very different, and possibly completely positive way, but that is not how history went down. Same with sjws. SJWs exist as pawns for those looking to manipulate the culture. They are created through targeted propaganda. There are people paying for SJWs to exist. Are you open minded enough to admit this at least could be the case?

[Goochbreaker]

why do you think people become shy and bitter? So quick are you to demonize that which you do not understand... this is a big problem. These mgtow have seen enough to know mainstream culture is not for them, and I agree with them. Have I given up on dating? No... but I'm certainly not going to be looking for your average women or going to bars that's for fking sure

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker I mean I’m open minded sure, but I just don’t believe in it, I’m sorry but in my mind it sounds like a kind of Illuminati style conspiracy theory. I’m not deamonising I’m simply stating a fact that groups target the vulnerable and I think that a lot of guys in MGTOW aren’t a lot of the time alright in the first place. I mean If you think it’s a big deal sure, but in my world it’s not something that anyone really encounters.

[Goochbreaker]

in your world, you have a vagina, and because of that are treated very differently. You have no idea what it's like to be a young man growing up in today's society. i want you to take a look at some suicide statistics and tell me which gender commits more suicide? Young men have on avg 4 times the rate of suicide as young women. What is your answer to that? Let me guess, we are weak, fragile men. Fragile masculinity. Fucking feminist cunt SORRY NOT DIRECTED AT YOU SPECIFICALLY but that is what us men hear. Illuminati conspiracy? Sure. Make it sound ridiculous all you want, we are all slave to the cultural engineers who program us through the television (paid programming) and now through social media, mainly facebook but twitter youtube reddit and many others are becoming big players in the mind control game. You think that MGTOW are that way because they weren't alright initially. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE ALRIGHT ITS THE REST THAT ARE DEATHLY ILL we live in a sick world

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker look mate I’m I may be a woman, but under the SJW rhetoric I’m not really their friend, I’m white, straight, middle class and skinny, no one gives me any sympathy. I think the male suicide rate has to do with a mixture of yes, some of these feminist ideology but has more to do with traditional gender roles. The idea that men shouldn’t show emotion or considered weak is very much a 1950s gender idea, the furthest from what feminists want to uphold. They may not really care about men, but the last thing they want to do is conform to those gender expectations. I don’t agree with either, and no I don’t think of men as “weak” I’m not a fucking monster.

[Goochbreaker]

you may be straight white middle class and all this shit but you are still a woman and you still have a massive privilege in this society that I'm not sure you're ready to acknowledge. There's nothing wrong with looking after oneself, and in western society where men are blamed for everything, selfishness is a very rational response. We are in defense mode. I've seen enough to know that there are bad eggs of both genders, but at least on the west coast where I'm growing up it's far more normalized for a woman to treat a man like shit and take advantage of him at every turn than the other way around. What really gets me is that the men just take it... blows my fuckin mind! They'll forgive anything, those that don't have me nattering in there ear at least. When a man treats a woman this way they are immediately ostracized from the entire society. These girls though, they still have a ton of friends and nobody seems to care

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker in my world it’s kind of the opposite. Guys can get away with all this bad behaviour and the girls will still swoon. Any slightly odd tendencies of a girl brands her in a certain way and no one goes near her. There’s also this massive boys club when it comes to the career field, and women are greatly prevented from reaching the higher levels.

[Goochbreaker]

yeah girls still swoon for the asshole guys, and they are fucking stupid, and guys still swoon for these manipulating bitches, and it's fucked, but sometimes nice guys get pissed and figure it out and stop taking shit, and they call those mgtow. Women are not prevented by reaching the higher levels of business by anything but themselves, they are rocketed up the ladder artificially in fact, it's completely sexist. How many great inventions have been invented by women? Did any women discover the laws of physics or mathematics? You think this is all because they are being suppressed? FUCK NO it's because you are biologically different from men, accept what you are, be a feminine woman, stop preaching this feminist bullshit and all your wildest dreams of the perfect man will come true. What you will get now is someone that appears to be amazing but is actually just manipulating you. That's what feminists attract

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker hahahahaha Jesus, did anyone ever love you? Did your mother ever hold you? I’ve actually talked to a lot of women in really high powered fields that yes, still faced a lot of sexism to get where they are. I don’t agree with the large majority of affirmative action (except for here in Aus with indigenous people), and yes it give women somewhat of a boost in some fields but that is for the lower levels and at least from what I can gather are relatively minor. Have a look at some of the inventions and scientific breakthroughs by women do it yourself I can’t be stuffed. Accept myself in being feminine? Nah I’m too far gone sweetie. My perfect man? My perfect man was always the devil.

[Goochbreaker]

"did anyone ever love you? did anyone ever hold you?" and what if they didn't bitch would that make it okay to say those kinds of things to me? Thankfully they did, and that gives me the power to stand up to you now and call you out for the heartless piece of shit you claim not to be. These are the classic personal attacks on men that women use to undermine our confidence, do you know what those kinds of jives create in the weak man? A nervous, low self esteem, overly self conscious attention whore who does anything to get a woman's affection, and ends up hurting so many women in the process. You are fucking filth. Filth. Poison drips from my tongue as I condemn you now. Your last couple of sentences say a lot, be what you wanna be just don't fucking complain when it comes around to bite you in the ass and the world around you turns to shit. Me, I'll call you out for exactly what you are, SATANIC FILTH have fun with your devil man hope he hurts you good that's the lesson you need

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker why the hell are you insulting me with words like bitch and cunt, I didn’t do anything to hurt you? Heartless piece of shit? Nice, I actually agree, but not for the reason you might think. Mate, what have I attacked you on? How have I undermined men’s confidence? Be what I want to be, I will, because I actually have will, a drive, people that love me, passion interests, empathy. Why would my world turn to shit? Devil man, no I mean the actual devil, like big horns turn me on. All that fire and brimstone yeah, mood lighting. Satanists have a hell of a lot more morality than you could ever imagine. Jesus you really have no sense of humour. So you want me to get hurt by a man, wishing pain on others for doing basically nothing is really wonderful. All I have been is try to actually have a conversation and you just disregard me because of my gender. I god hope you go MGTOW for the sake of every woman in the world.

[Goochbreaker]

"hahahahaha Jesus, did anyone ever love you? Did your mother ever hold you?" that is the answer to literally all your questions. Don't be a cunt and I won't call you one, see how I waited until you said something truly cunt like to unleash my anger upon you? You could have been an angel up until that point, but now that you have said that, you are pure shit. Go cry about it then maybe think about what you are saying next time you think you are gunna be cute with some 'has anyone ever loved you' shit. You are all I have said and worse. Think before you speak, you have no idea who you might be talking to or what they may have gone through. And you can say to me "oh you don't either' but I didn't initiate this shit, I was within my bounds before you said that. Now I've fucking lost it, and my rage is righteously directed at you. The woman who gets me will be an angel not a devil like you so you need not worry about them, worry about yourself.

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker, if men’s confidence is shattered with a comment like that, then it really wasn’t there in the first place. I hate to break is to you, but I think I actually have reason to ask that, yes I was being sort of facetious but you kind of come off as if you do have some psychological issues, I’m trying to not come off as rude or anything I’m just being honest. No man, if you act like this, fly off a handle if anyone disagrees with you, or teases you then your partner will likely be in an abusive situation. And if I’m correct you called me a “Fucking feminist cunt” before that comment even occurred. You’re not righteous you’re just a dickhead, who thinks he’s oh so much smarter than everyone and has some insight than none of us do, but in reality you’re just a sad man with a lot of problems. I knew men like you, I stayed clear of them once they revealed how reprehensible they truly were.

[Goochbreaker]

my confidence in my self isn't shattered, MY CONFIDENCE IN YOU IS SHATTERED. See I'm going to leave this conversation and feel great, I have no problem standing my ground against a sea of satanic cuntery. If, however, I run into another YOU I will abruptly TURN AROUND and go into another room where I don't have to listen to patronizing, minimizing, passive aggressively insulting BULLSHIT the likes of which you type. You can think of me whatever you like, I don't really give a fuck, all I care about is that somebody called you a cunt for being a cunt, and thank god I was here to do it and not some pansy ass nice guy who just wants to please women, I please good kind people, women aren't automatically that. You are a heartless bitch and you've been called out, maybe because of this you can one day grow a heart. It will be a painful process. Keep thinking I'm the sad one, I'm just trying to make the world a better place by letting cunts like you know where they stand

[Goochbreaker]

right after i wrote fucking feminist cunt i wrote sorry im not talking about you specifically, that was me still giving you the benefit of the doubt when I sniffed a feminist cunt, trying to take a step back and not pre judge you BUT DAMN IS IT HARD WHEN IM RIGHT

[lilaqua]

@Goochbreaker haha I’m the heartless one, nice.

[Goochbreaker]

bingo baby, just remember that the male suicide rate is 4 times that of women, remember that when you say heartless things. Everyone cries a fucking river for you girls but nobody gives a shit about expendable men and you heartless cunts have no problem twisting a knife right in the wound just to win a petty argument. It's called ad hominem, and it's a very low blow. It would be like me saying to some slut 'woah, did you grow up without a father?" has a man every loved you for anything other than sex?" see how fucking heartless that is? If you can't see how you are just as bad as that, you are blind

[Cammy137]

I don't care about either. MGTOW and Feminists are in the same ball park as far as im concerned

[Goochbreaker]

mgtow is a reaction, feminism existed first. Don't blame the reaction

[Cammy137]

Im not blaming anyone. Acting childish in response to someone acting childish isn't logical.

[Goochbreaker]

mgtow isn't acting childish, it's called defense mode. You get attacked, you go into defense mode. Get attacked from within your castle walls enough and you build the walls closer to the center. Eventually you are all wall. Those who don't understand can't just by words and those who do need not it explained. There's nothing childish about locking up your heart to keep it safe from harpies and banshees so that one day it can be undamaged for someone special

[Cammy137]

That's fine, people are free to do and believe what they want. I view 3rd wave feminism as childish and as MGTOW is (as you say) the male response while also being the male equivalent, i view it as being on the same level. As far as im concerned, there are some things both sides argue that are fair but the reactions from both are to me beyond the scope of reasonable. I don't plan to marry but its not in response to feminism.

[Goochbreaker]

yeah, what you don't realize is that it probably is a response to feminism's effects. I was you 2 years ago... exact same stance and distinction. Then I viewed second wave as bad. Now I know it was bad from the start, kids raised without stable families, that's all feminism ever equaled. Rights for women and fuck the kids because we don't care about the kids we care about the mothers!

[Cammy137]

Well its not, im against most traditions just out of principle and my reasons for not wanting to get married or have kids aren't related to any gender war. Like I've said to MGTOW people before, I don't disagree that there are plenty of issues facing males that need to be addressed. I just don't agree with the approach to solving them. Im not anti-MGTOW in the same way that im against Feminism, but I also don't consider myself part of the movement or view it as something id ever want to join

[Goochbreaker]

okay, was a little confusing when you said 'I view it on the same level' when talking about mgtow compared to feminism.

[Cammy137]

Yeah in the sense that most of what both sides do doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. Feminism has its retards in the same way MGTOW does. I view them both at the same level in that i dont support either but do agree with certain aspects

[MrMilti]

You want a cookie?
Or a handkerchief?

Life sucks.
Deal with it.

[Goochbreaker]

do you give women the same advice?

[hasrett]

It's a good advice.

[hasrett]

I feel like we're all gona be perfectly fine without you.

[dhronved12]

That's what I was searching for. Women like her are the ones who develope a negative image about feminism.

[hasrett]

@dhronved12 Glad I helped. :D

[dhronved12]

Thank you ma'am. Your effort is Much appreciated. It's hard to speak against the wrong and you did it very courageously. You are the MVP

[hasrett]

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[dhronved12]

Wonderful ladg

[dhronved12]

Lady*

[dhronved12]

The world needs more people like you

[hasrett]

@dhronved12 Yes.

[dhronved12]

You are the first person I started following in about 2 weeks of using this app. PS: that's a compliment as your thinking is above all I have come across here

[hasrett]

@dhronved12 To be honest I have no idea what's happening here anymore but I'm just going with it.

[dhronved12]

I am just using it to get some knowledge about what girls feel.. and to judge the mentality of guys.. I don't want to be a regular "rude and egoistic" guy

[hasrett]

@dhronved12 I wouldn't say most guys are rude and egoistic.

[dhronved12]

Here in India.. they definitely are. I want to be out of the box

[Don_Law]

I get & agree with SOME of your points man but damn Bro... who hurt you😓

[Goochbreaker]

don't be a cuck and ad hominem this guy, all his points are verifiably correct... he's not putting all women in a box, he's talking about the effects of feminism. He is right. Help your brother

[SketchForger]

Hehehe, you seem very ignorant on this subject.

[Aksamlar]

I understand your issue, I can feel the effects from here, but I still have hope. I would suggest finding what you want then find a person with that, but If you don't, goid luck with your journey brother.

[Anonymous]

You sound like the male equivalent of a feminist.

[Anonymous]

Bye Felicia 👋🏻

[Anonymous]

Sounds like TFM