If a woman can only orgasm from receiving oral, then is it fair for her man to expect oral in return, even if he's already orgasming from penetration?

[mistixs]

I don't think she should have to do something she finds unpleasant, in order to get any orgasms at all, when he's already having orgasms from penetration.
If a woman can only receive orgasm from oral, it's fair for her to receive but not give oral sex, as long as she makes him orgasm somehow (such as by penetration, the most efficient way to make a man orgasm, whereas receiving oral is the most effective way to make a woman orgasm).

This question is inspired by a response to one of my other polls: Do you ever engage in sexual activities, that you find unpleasant, just to please your sexual partner?

[PinkMichae]

I think it's very unfair to expect anyone to give them oral sex. Some men and women don't like giving oral. So you shouldn't expect them to do something they are either grossed out by or are uncomfortable with.

There are other ways to make a woman orgasm that can't have an orgasm from penetration. He can stimulate her clit with his fingers or a clit massager.

I think it's even more unreasonable to expect your partner to give you oral because it's what you prefer when you aren't willing to give it yourself. If your partner likes to give it then great. But you don't give them expectations. If a man tried doing that to me he would find himself in the no sex zone effective immediately.

[mistixs]

It's unfair to receive orgasms from sex, but expect your partner to give you extra orgasms (in an activity she finds unpleasant) before you give her even 1 orgasm. If a woman can orgasm from activities aside from oral, I agree it would be fair to use those methods instead. However I did a poll & 25% of women said they can only reliably orgasm from oral, so it's a prevalent issue. by the way I'm not saying anybody is obligated to do anything they don't want to do; the question is simply about fairness.

[PinkMichae]

If a woman can only orgasm from oral then that sounds like a medical issue she needs to get help for. But I don't buy that. That means she can't even give herself orgasms because she can't give herself oral. The fact is they prefer oral sex. And if that's the case, they should find a man that loves giving it. But it is in turn selfish to say its unpleasant for you and you shouldn't have to because he can orgasm with penetration. Is it unfair that women in general can have multiple orgasms to a man's one orgasm? No With that said I've never heard of any woman who could only orgasm from a mouth and tongue on her clit. If the clit can be stimulated that way then it can be stimulated other ways.

[PinkMichae]

Be honest. You are a troll, right? I mean it's really hard for me to believe a woman actually believes the opinions you give. It's like you design your questions and opinions for attention even tho you know its gonna be negative attention. I really think you like annoying people.🤪

[MissKittyz]

It isn't about being fair or not. It is about pleasing yourself AND your partner. Sex isn't supposed to be a selfish act where you only care about your own orgasm. It is about exploring each other's pleasure and body. Especially if you guys are dating. maybe during casual sex, sure, you can focus on your own pleasure and that's fair. But in a relationship? It doesn't hurt you to try to please your partner as much as you can

[mistixs]

"Sex isn't supposed to be a selfish act where you only care about your own orgasm." The same could be said of the man who demands extra pleasure (that his partner finds unpleasant), in order to be willing to give pleasure to his partner.

[MissKittyz]

Okay well that's pretty fucked up and selfish for sure. If he is demanding it just to give pleasure to the woman, that's very bad.

[tenukitanuki]

Who cares about this imaginary fairness? I hope your men leave you for being selfish and contorting facts to meet your whims. Why would he stay if another will lovingly provide what he wants, a mirror reflection of your own selfish desire?

Honestly, you likely don't care and just want any form of praise and attention. This whole question is like a shrine to your own justification, any disagreement becomes transmuted into a strawman fallacy.

Freudian obviousness. You get off only from oral because it is like worship and you crave that. It's mad obvious. Just become a Domme and bother the men who want to deal with mental illness as a fetish.

[mistixs]

Who's really selfish? The one who wants EQUAL pleasure, or the one who expects extra orgasms before he agrees to give his girlfriend even one orgasm?

[mistixs]

She's not selfish because she IS giving him orgasms already

[tenukitanuki]

haha got two nonsequitors to reframe the "conversation"
You don't want none of this light, baby. Look how cruel and honest even a taste can be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZCPHjgQV8kz
A little attention to the balls isn't "extra orgasms" -- it's supposed to be an expression of love and affection. Not a game of wins and losses to count against your "lover." Keep insisting that it's a competition. That's very attractive, fighting with your partner.

[tenukitanuki]

oh no no, you can avoid watching it but I will not allow computer error to be your excuse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZCPHjgQV8k

[mistixs]

So if it's "Not a game of wins and losses" then why does he expect oral in return for oral? That's no better than expecting orgasms in return for orgasms, which you're condemning

[tenukitanuki]

because it is a poorly expressed but rationally sounding request, you get attention so why not provide some niceties in appreciation? Unless you truly feel as though you have always deserved this appreciation. Entitled to it because of a profound lack of empathy that constantly seeks out validation. Superficial, grandiose and a bit in need of admiration? How many tick marks do you want?

[mistixs]

"you get attention so why not provide some niceties in appreciation?" And the man gets appreciation and attention via penetration that is much more pleasurable to him than to her

[tenukitanuki]

Then tell him. Smol? Bad at the sex? Just not your thing? Well, honesty and that there policy. Maybe you're forcing a square peg in a round hole because you don't want to let go of this safety blanket called a man.

[scooogy]

@tenukitanuki how should the question of women orgasming even come up if you'd correctly consider men to be not selfish here? If men were not selfish to desire sex, and the woman wouldn't orgasm anyway, who the fuck would then still want to initiate sex, which we obviously talk about?

[tenukitanuki]

@scooogy Sorry bro, I don't follow. I am pretty sure she's neurotic as hell and that usually involves repeated engagement and rhetorical trickery so that their own denial and pathology stays in place. I don't recommend poking snakes. Orgasms are the product not the goal, I think. If you're doing it right they'll come in their own time; if you're thinking about it and spinning your mind like a top you're almost sure to stay dissatisfied. That's why the trick of 3s usually works like a button. Most people can't juggle 3 things at once, so provide enjoyable stimulation to 3 disparate parts and the eyes tend to roll back. Hips, side of breast... you got 2 hands, a face, a body and of course the dong. That's 5 categories and you only need 3.

[scooogy]

@tenukitanuki sorry but you sound kind of perverted breaking down serving a female's needs to technical sumups.

[tenukitanuki]

@scooogy That's ok, you ain't heard nor seent nothing yet. That was me trying to be brief

[scooogy]

uhm what?

[tenukitanuki]

@scooogy I'm saying if you think I'm vulgar while I'm trying to be quickly polite... just imagine

[scooogy]

@tenukitanuki what's so difficult in serving a girl's needs? I mean what's so worth it about making her please you? Which gender gave birth to you so you can now enjoy sex?

[tenukitanuki]

@scooogy Bro, I'm making women happy the entire time. I don't even need a second guess. Need to work on that English mastery, my dude. You're making bad assumptions.

[scooogy]

@tenukitanuki of course you make them happy, especially with opinions of yours like the one above...

[tenukitanuki]

@scooogy Bro, are you trying to fuck me or lure a sympathetic female to your cave? Who are you trying to prove something to, and what is that thing?

[hellionthesagereborn]

No. Its not fair to deny your partner something that will please them. Obviously their are limits of course, but if your not trying to make your partner happy then you really shouldn't be with them. If he can only orgasm from say anal sex and she doesn't want to do that, should she have to do that or should she give in? You have to work with the person and their is going to be some give and take in that. Its about compromise and sacrifice.

[mistixs]

I'm not sure if your comparison is meant to be sarcastic or not. Anal sex is physically painful for the recipient - and you can literally bleed to death if you do not use unnatural lube - whereas giving oral sex is not physically painful. So these aren't an equal comparison.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its not sarcastic, its an example of conflicting interests. Also your incorrect, its not painful, plenty of women do it and statistically those who do it regularly are more likely to orgasm from it then any other sexual act (oral/penetration). In addition women who do it regularly report much more intense (deeper, is the term they use a lot) orgasms. So again, not actually correct in that assumption. My point is however, that its about trying to make them happy, do you think men love buying women things like flowers and jewelery? Do you think they enjoy going shopping with them? No, no, and no. But we do it because it makes her happy. This idea that men have to sacrifice and women can sit back and be pampered without giving anything in return is absurd. I'm not saying any woman has to anything her significant other asks for including oral sex, what I am saying is that she should WANT to do that if it makes him happy just as he does all the things he does to make HER happy. Everything isn't about her happiness and convience, their is inconvience on both sides and compromise on both sides.

[slatyb]

I love going shopping with my wife. She tries on clothes and shoes and buys the ones I like. Mostly she buys resale so she looks great without spending much.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@slatyb Well you are a rarity, that also wasn't the point being made. I was not pointing to ancedotes, I was pointing out that men do things they don't want to do because it makes their significant others happy and that this is part of being in a relationship, you try to make your partner happy within reason you don't make excuses for why you should get what you want and then turn around and make excuses for why you shouldn't try to make your partner happy.

[mistixs]

I've looked into that research. Women who engage in anal have more orgasms because they're more sexually adventurous in general. It IS often painful. & you said the woman "doesn't want to do that" so in this case, it's probably painful for her. If you said "if she receives orgasms during penetration, & he can only orgasm from receiving oral, then it wouldn't be fair for her to expect oral in return for giving oral" then that would be the real gender-swapped equivalent & I would agree with you. Just like a man should give his partner orgasms, a woman should give her partner orgasms. But anal isn't equivalent. And it's really a moot argument because the vast majority, if not all, of men are able to orgasm without anal.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I'm not saying every woman will enjoy it, I'm saying claiming that it is unanimously agreed that its painful for every woman all the time is absolutely provably false (and what your stating is not entirely true either, how does one define "sexually adventurous" exactly? The very act of liking anal sex could put you in that category even if nothing else you do would. Its highly subjective term.). But again, that wasn't the point being made (and I feel like that should be obvious), the point was to give a scenario where both parties wanted something the other was unwilling to give so what do you do? You compromise, you put the needs of your partner over your own wants and try to work things out instead of deciding that one should get what they want and one should simply learn to live without. That's not a fair and balanced relationship and if that's your thinking your going to have a lot of failed relationships and/or a very miserable partner. Now I can only assume your fully aware of this fact as your busy trying to nit pick the analogue (which did its job in giving a scenario where two parties are at an impass in their desires (which was all it was about)) instead of addressing the point that was actually being made. So as stated, no, that is not fair, that is not right and it is not how a healthy relationship works. Its not a business, its not about dominance and getting as much as you can out of your partner while giving as little as you can, its about sacrificing for their happiness, and compromising so you don't lose all of yours.

[ChurchOfIron]

That's up to you. I don't give a fuck. You're already not sucking my dick, so it doesn't matter, to me. If my chick wouldn't, then I wouldn't either. *shrug* I'd do my best, but at the same time, it's a mutual thing, to me.

So, individual on individual basis. If that's your line, that's your line. And if it's my line, it's my line. Fairness is gonna be defined differently depending on the people involved. Clearly.

[mistixs]

Shouldn't orgasms be a mutual thing too?

[ChurchOfIron]

I mean, how would you perceive it if your dude was like "hey, go down on me," then you were like "only if you do me," and he was like "Naaa, I find that really unpleasant."? That's just a relationship breaker, in my opinion. Totally your prerogative. And you might be right that that would be a truly equivalent exchange, if you're basing it purely on achieving orgasm. But life isn't all equivalent exchange. Cutting out 33%-50% of sex. That's a bad sex life, to me, personally. For both the woman and the man. Regardless of fairness, it's just incompatibility, in my opinion.

[mistixs]

It's a relationship breaker that a woman wants an orgasm?

[ChurchOfIron]

No, it's a relationship breaker that the chick doesn't want to have sex with me. Complete sex. I get that she wants an orgasm. Of course she does. I do, too. But, for me, it's not sex unless it's complete. That means I go down on her, she goes down on me, then penetration. If that doesn't happen every time, cool, but I need it to happen. Like I said. That's just me. She needs head. I get it. But I do, too. Regardless of penetration. Here's the thing. Again, I get your position on orgasm equivalency. But, bottom line, you want him to go down on you, but you don't want to go down on him, right? You need something he doesn't want to give. He (may) need something you don't want to give. Whatever you call it, it's incompatibility, is it not? At that point, I'd say you need to find a guy who doesn't mind giving but not receiving head; and, he needs to find a chick who doesn't mind a complete sexual experience.

[ChurchOfIron]

It's not a matter of fairness, to me. It's a matter of compatibility. Either way, one of you is going to be unsatisfied with the outcome, yes? So just find someone who you can be satisfied with.

[mistixs]

"She needs head. I get it. But I do, too. " you don't, though, because unlike her, you can orgasm without it

[ChurchOfIron]

Well, if you're going to tell me what I need and what I don't need, that's a relationship breaker, for sure, would you not agree? If you can't even accept what your partner says he needs, then how do you think that's going to go in other areas of the relationship? "I really need you to spend more time with me." "No you don't. I spend enough time with you. "I really need you to support me in this tough time." "No you don't. You get enough support."

[mistixs]

My point is that your "need" for head isn't equivalent to her need for head

[ChurchOfIron]

It may not be. But, for me, it's a deal beaker, nonetheless. Life isn't fair. It's about "Are you the right person for me." In that relationship, with the boundaries she has set, either way one of us will be unsatisfied. So he's not the right guy for her, and she's not the right girl.

[mistixs]

"Life isn't fair" Then you could say the same to the men who want oral in return for oral

[ChurchOfIron]

Yeah. You could. And he wouldn't be obligated to stay, either, if she says she won't suck his dick, but he'd better lick her pussy. Because life isn't fair. You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need. Why are you still so defensive on it? I get your position. I even agree on most of your points. If you two just don't work out, you don't work out. Nothing for it. Happens constantly.

[WalsallGuy90]

Sex, like most things in life, is all about give and take. If you want to have good sex with a partner then you both need to be communicating what you both want and what makes you both aroused, and if it happens to be that a particular act gets one of you off but not the other then yeah, it's unfair to expect the other person to do the thing that they aren't comfortable with just because you're doing it for them. I would never expect a girl to give me oral just because I've given them the same, but I would expect her to tell me what she likes and I would tell her what I like, so we both know how to make sure the other is enjoying it all. Outright expecting something isn't fair to the partner and shouldn't be the case.

[lumos]

I don't think sex should be about orgasms, expectations and what's "fair". If you go into sex with that type of mindset, it's likely that you won't find it very enjoyable, and in the end it wouldn't surprise me if sex just became a competition for orgasms. And that, to me, sounds extremely sad.
To me, sex is about enjoying yourself but also making your partner feel good. Instead of seeing it as a competition where you're only looking out for yourself and making sure you have your "win", it should be seen as a fun activity you do *together* with your partner. That's why sexual compatibility is important, what one person considers "fun" might not be another person's definition of fun. And that's why you can't go into sex having expectations. You can't expect everyone to like what you like, and have them compromise for you. Instead, you should try to find a partner who has the same sexual needs and wants as you do.
If a woman doesn't like giving oral, then she shouldn't have to feel obligated to do oral. But if the only way she can orgasm is through oral, then it would make sense for her to look for a partner who enjoys giving oral and doesn't mind if he gets it or not. If she's with a man who likes getting oral but hates giving it, well, then she has picked a partner who's sexually incompatible with her. There's nothing "fair" or "unfair" about the situation, because she always has the choice to move on and find someone who's more compatible with her sexual needs. You can't force someone to perform oral on you against their will, just because that happens to be the only way you can orgasm.
At the end of the day, sex really is just about having fun. As long as you feel like you're getting what you want out of it, and you're happily making your partner feel satisfied and wanted (within your own comfort zone of course), then you have a healthy framework for what enjoyable and good sex is. Then you'll realize it's not about what's "fair" or who's having more orgasms, or who's getting orgasms more easily. Sex can be super enjoyable without orgasms too, as long as you're having fun together. Keeping any sort of scoreboard instantly kills a part of the fun. It's all about communication.

[boggboss]

Thank God you explained it much better then me

[lumos]

@boggboss Hahaha thanks! :D

[bklynbadboy1]

@lumos well said

[MissKittyz]

I completely agree with what you said and that's basically what I was trying to say as well in my comment! Very well said!

[sensual123]

I give a woman oral sex because I enjoy giving her pleasure. I would do it even if I didn't get anything in return, even penetration. I enjoy giving oral sex for it's own sake, exploring her clitoris and taking time over it. There is no pressure of performance, no thinking how long am I going to last, just a slow focusing on her arousal and - if she does orgasm - the satisfaction of knowing that I did that for her.

Oral is a nice way to start sex, to give the woman pleasure first. If we start with penetration and I cum before her, then I finish with oral so she's satisfied. But if I give oral and she doesn't want to do anything else in return that's her choice and I'm happy with it.

[GFNimbuscloud]

Option B kinda makes me sad that you perceive oral as an unpleasant activity. Some girls are into oral, either the act itself, or just the idea of giving pleasure to their partner. Honestly, I don't think I'd want a blowjob from a woman who doesn't like giving them.

Technically I think it's 'fair' to make her cum if she makes you cum. I fucking hate score keeping in relationships though. If I'm gonna go down on someone, it's because I want to, because I find it fun and exciting to be able to elicit reactions from her, and because I want to give her pleasure. I don't ever want it to feel like an obligation, just like I don't want her to feel obligated to slobber on my nob. When sex becomes a chore, I'll stop having sex.

I don't know that I agree that penetration is the best way to make a guy climax. I definitely disagree if you're applying it to every guy. I was reading an article by a sex therapist about how she hand her husband rarely ever had intercourse, they preferred giving each other oral, and it made their sex-lives better. If we're talking about averages here... maybe, but I don't know enough, and wouldn't put money on it.

Also, I see that you constantly have trouble with being accused of being a troll. Not to get all up in your bidness... but I'd totally just ignore those people, I don't think they're worth your time or frustration.

[wingattebaby16]

roorwwrrr.. trolls... watch out. they can regenerate... even after being burned with fire, acid, and BLOCKED.. they keep coming back.

ignore them.. dont respond to them or they win...

[over_it]

if there's so many options like this just make it a question not a poll lol

[OlderAndWiser]

What is "fair" implies a sense of obligation to do certain things if your partner also does certain things. A good relationship is about WANTING to make your partner happy and satisfied, not doing something for your partner because it is required by some societal sense of "fairness."

[StingRayxoxo]

Exactly.

[EpicDweeb]

... Gonna be honest... I hate oral sex. It doesn't feel that good and I don't like that I'm the only one receiving pleasure from it. I'd much rather give oral than receive it so I'd gladly give oral without expecting it in return... actually I'd rather she didn't give it in return =/

[Agirlcalledkill]

I don’t think you have to do something you find unpleasant but same goes for him. If he doesn’t like to go down on you then he doesn’t have to. Sex is mutual pleasure, if you don’t want to have sex with him because you don’t like it then don’t do it. It’s hard to believe oral is the only thing that gets you off, he can touch you while you have sex or after. And in a relationship you don’t really keep count of what you do for the other, it should be about pleasing each other

[mistixs]

I don't know what makes me orgasm during sex, because I'm a virgin. But I did a poll & 25% of women said they can only orgasm from receiving oral sex, so it's a prevalent problem affecting millions of women. by the way I'm not saying anybody is obligated to do anything they don't want to do; the question is simply about whether or not something is fair (equitable)

[Agirlcalledkill]

I don’t think it’s fair to pretend anything when it comes to sex regardless of the number or orgasm you have and how. So no, I don’t think it’s fair for a guy to expect oral

[SarahsSummer]

That whole description of a relationship where you do that for me and I'll do this for you is awful and not the basis of a healthy relationship

[mistixs]

So you would say that to a guy who wants oral in return for oral? Or it's only relevant for women who want orgasms in return for orgasms?

[SarahsSummer]

I just believe you should WANT to do for your partner whatever you can to make them feel good, special, appreciated, loved, etc.. Not because I did it for you so you must now do it for me.

[JackSmy]

My first thought, is that is it BS, that she can only orgasm from oral!! Seems like nonsense, to me!! More likely, she can only orgasm from oral from the one she is with!!
Maybe he is a 'One Trick Pony' and she needs a Stud, that knows how to show her things about her body that she might not know, and that guy obviously doesn't!!
Anyone thinking that relationships are a Zero-sum game, are doomed to fail!! Relationships aren't about 'Score-keeping'!!
I hate receiving oral, but I love giving her and giving her squealing orgasms!! Fair? FCK yeah!! She loves it, I like doing it for her!!
She teases me with what she wears, and some think she is a 'slut', but we know each other, and it works for us.
Fair? Doesn't apply!! Who thought up the concept of 'Fair' anyway?
Life isn't 'Fair'!!

[Billlewis]

I'm not interested in what's fair -- I'm only interested in providing as much pleasure for her as possible. If she occasionally needs a real man's penis, she's encouraged to receive one whenever the need arises.

[SuzyB]

If you can't orgasm with standard sex then you should experiment with different positions and possibly look into bringing toys into the sex as well, these will assist in stimulation and bring you to an orgasm

[Lyndsielee666]

So since she can’t come from penetration she shouldn’t do it right? 😂

[mistixs]

If she doesn't want to, then she shouldn't engage in penetration. But then if she wants to be fair then she needs to make him orgasm somehow, if he makes her orgasm. (Of course nobody's obligated to do anything, but the topic of this question is fairness.)

[Pamina]

Fair? If sexual favors are an obligation in a relationship, then there's something wrong with that relationship.

But that aside, I personally can't get my head around why someone wouldn't want to perform oral on their partner who they love and supposedly find sexually attractive. It just makes zero sense to me.

[mistixs]

"If sexual favors are an obligation in a relationship" Fairness has nothing to do with obligation. I mentioned that in my update. Just because you love them and find them sexually attractive doesn't mean you want to suck on a place from which they excrete bodily waste (urine), which is the case if a woman performs oral on a man. Meanwhile if a man focuses on the clitoris, then he's not sucking on a place that excretes bodily waste.

[Pamina]

I find that so so weird that someone would feel that way with someone they find sexually attractive. But whatever, luckily it's not like that with me or my partner so it doesn't affect me. It's just something I will never be able to comprehend. And well, a man sucking on a clitoris still will get some urine, unless he's veeery very careful, and that sounds like really lame eating out. Haha

[mistixs]

Women wipe themselves after they pee, men don't.

[Pamina]

Some men do, at home. Doesn't matter though, everyone's different when it comes to their sensitivity to these things. If I find someone very attractive, I'm not so pedantic about this stuff. To each their own. :)

[Cammy137]

My girlfriend and I both love giving and receiving oral, so I haven't had to deal with such a problem.
But I wouldn't expect a partner to do something they didn't enjoy, especially on a regular basis.

[Милашка]

does she perform oral on other men too?

[Cammy137]

@Милашка Why are you so interested in what my girlfriend does or doesn't do? Are you not comfortable within your own relationship?

[Cammy137]

In response to your update, my girlfriend orgasms more from sex than I do.

[Милашка]

I was 1000000000000000000% sure you wouldn't asnwer my question

[Cammy137]

My girlfriend has never sucked another man's cock since the moment we first met. The reason I chose not to answer is because you're a toxic individual and I'm not interested in discussing anything that leads back to you self-declared higher understanding of morality.

[Милашка]

Tou said you are in an open relationship with her. How come men dont fuck her mouth?

[Cammy137]

@Милашка We're in an open relationship but neither of us have slept with anyone else yet. Nobody else has fucked her except from me since the moment we met. We just have the option there for when one of us does want to fuck someone else. We have rules and bondaries that we stick to within our open relationship, but so far we haven't felt the need to act on those opportunities. I know you're trying to wind me up, that's what you do. You're not remotely interested in my life or the nature of my relationship, you're simply trying to push buttons.

[Милашка]

So you'll be okay if she wants to suck another dick?

[Cammy137]

@Милашка We have to discuss each stage with one another prior to doing anything with anyone, so I'll cross that bridge if/when it comes around. My relationship and my girlfriend are not your concern. Why are you obsessed? This question wasn't even related to that. Yet whenever you comment on my opinion, that's always the case. Do I need to block you or what?

[Милашка]

Obsessed? Did you forget the time when you were curious how my first wedding night was. Ypou asked me if that was what I expected. Was that your concern?

[Cammy137]

That was related to the question or what we were discussing. I didn't just see you answer something on an unrelated question and ask you about your wedding night. I have zero interest in it, your sex life, your marriage, or the nature of your relationship. If your relationship makes you happy amd doesn't negatively impact anyone else, then do it. I don't care! The only times I've asked such questions is in relation to the question or discussion. Clearly you've taken that personally and so now you see me comment about something and try to get a rise out of me on an unrelated question. Notice that I haven't felt the need to comment on any of your opinions for ages? You bore me so I stopped wasting my time. Now go pester someone else!

[Милашка]

no out of nothing you asked me that question since you saw my wedding pic

[Милашка]

it's you who have answered my questions. I rarely answered yours

[Cammy137]

Show me the post then. Provide evidence. Right, but I answer a lot of questions, not just yours, and when did that last happen? Yet here you are, bothering me again! This isn't even my question, yet you felt the need to comment on my answer. If you didn't comment on this, I'd not even realise you were still on here.

[Милашка]

like you don't remember it

[Cammy137]

@Милашка I remember the discussion. I don't remember it the way you're telling it at all. Why are you still bothering me? What led you to commenting on this opinion today? Enlighten me!

[Милашка]

You're so sensitive. Bye

[Cammy137]

@Милашка Yeah, asking why you decided to pester me (when the answer is obviously attention) makes me sensitive. Bye! By all means never comment on any of my stuff again. You won't be missed!

[Милашка]

I was curious. I didn't want your attention firstly I'm married secondly you know what I think about cuckolds

[Cammy137]

Curious about something unrelated to the question? I guess I should be flattered that you spend so much time thinking about me and my relationship! Being married and wanting attention aren't exclusive ideas! I didn't say anything about sexual or romantic attention. Now go away! Don't feel the need to reply!!

[Милашка]

it was related I asked if she performs oral on other men too. "I guess I should be flattered that you spend so much time thinking about me and my relationship!" you are indeed flattered that I remembered you

[Cammy137]

Well, now you know she doesn't. Thing is, I don't mind answering questions about my life. I have nothing to hide. But you don't do it out if genuine interest.

[Милашка]

I asked would you be okay if she told you she wants to taste other dicks?

[Cammy137]

I answered your question. I was trying to be civil with you there. Evidently that was a mistake!

[CarpetDenim]

If a person is receiving oral at all, it is fair for their partner to expect to receive it in return.

[mistixs]

So it's fair for him to expect extra orgasms (via an activity she finds unpleasant) in order for her to get even *one* orgasm?

[CarpetDenim]

If in a single period of sexual interaction, a man performed penetrative sex on his partner and came from it, it would be reasonable to expect him to help his partner achieve orgasm after. But, unless his refractory period is very short and he managed to get aroused again whilst giving his partner oral, I highly doubt a guy would ask her to immediately return the favor and go down on him after he’s made her cum and he’s already cum once. If he did do that though, I wouldn’t consider it very fair under these circumstances, no.

[LoU_Hades]

I gave once credit in matter of oral sex to a girl, I do often oral while foreplay to bring a girl to the edge. After I asked her for a BJ she refused and told me a story that her former partner forced her to this and she doesn't want do it. So I stopped to give her this favor, gave her finger and hand clit massage instead. Two weeks later she changed her mind about oral without forcing her to something.
However sex wasn't our problem at all.

[mistixs]

Did she orgasm from the manual stimulation you gave her?

[LoU_Hades]

Yes, she enjoyed my fingers in similar way like my tongue. I think she considered oral sex as some sign of dominance or something like that.

[boggboss]

Lol it just goes hand in hand if it's just a random fuck then sure this ain't a issue but when having sex you consider yours and your partners enjoyment not just your solo objective to finish at the end off the day any partner would be a little disheartened if they have to give oral but won't revive any in turn

[mistixs]

Do you really think orgasm isn't important? How would a man feel if his woman could orgasm from penetration, but if he wanted to orgasm, then he had to first engage in an activity that he found unpleasant?

[boggboss]

At no point did I say the orgasm was not important lol you may find giving head unpleasant but so may your partner would it be fair enough that if you didn't do it because you found it unpleasant he wouldn't either yes you may require it to finish but if you are not looking to be a selfish partner moat know you do in sex to a extent give to revive as I said most would be dishartend to know they have to give head and never get it back some won't care sure but there is no way in pretending that it don't make you a selfish lover and that goes to males or females

[mistixs]

"if you are not looking to be a selfish partner" he's the one being a selfish partner if he's already receiving orgasms & demands his partner to give him extra orgasms (through a method she finds unpleasant) if his partner wants to receive any orgasms at all. She IS "giving" by engaging in penetration, which most women don't find as pleasurable as men do, doesn't bring most women to orgasm, AND risks pregnancy.

[boggboss]

Lol you are the definition of a selfish lover this is amazing again you feel the sole porpoise of sex is a orgasm which is a vary narrow way to look at it and I'm so happy most women don't think this way as it would truly make sex boring by this logic forplay itself is also pointless as you don't orgasm from that either meh

[mistixs]

It's not selfish if the man is also receiving orgasms. He gets an orgasm (from penetration); she gets an orgasm (from oral). How is that selfish? How would you feel if your partner was already having orgasms, but in order for you to experience orgasms, you had to first give them EXTRA orgasms, via a method you find unpleasant? The partner making this demand is the selfish one, NOT the partner that's unhappy with this unfair arrangement. "by this logic forplay itself is also pointless" no, because it increases the chances that a person will orgasm

[mistixs]

It's only selfish if the person is expecting to receive orgasms, while not giving any in return. Which, by the way, is exactly the case for the person who expects oral in return for oral, despite already having orgasmed from penetration (while his girl didn't)

[boggboss]

Lol like I said the reason you think this way is because you are only thinking about said orgasm nothing else the way you describe sex would be how robots would have sex nothing else matters but have a orgasm not the building feeling nor the desire or pleasure knowing your partners enjoy it it just I cam did you cum good sex bye if you want to just think about orgasming then sure hook up with people but if we are talking sex in a relationship or someone you have feelings for you know that just orgasming alone is not the objective Also the way you keep saying how you giving head is a unpleasant expirance like eating pussy is some magical water from the pool of life yes guys do it and enjoy it but most of that comes from the pleasure of knowing your girl feels good receiving it not because it's a amazing past time

[mistixs]

You're saying it's selfish to expect mutual pleasure. It's not selfish; it's equitable.

[boggboss]

Lol no you are selfish because you expect to be given something without doing anything when you get penatrative to you also just lay there and do nothing as you can't orgasm from it

[boggboss]

Like this is the type of shit that makes sex a choir not somthing fun for sexual partners to do will you keep a tally chart of the times you made each other orgasm in the relationship too

[mistixs]

You don't need a tally chart to know that your partner orgasmed and you didn't. Not do you need a tally chart to know that you orgasmed and your partner did not orgasm, & it is selfish not to give them an orgasm

[boggboss]

Again I asked because clearly the only thing you care about is orgasming so I wonderd if you also keep track off it on nights where you couldn't or he couldn't get off

[boggboss]

Lol I bet your a blast to hang out with