Do you believe in "My Body, My Choice" Movement?

[Shezadi]

When women say "My Body, My Choice," people think those women are trying to promote their ways of life. That is not true. Those women are just saying that if a woman chooses to be different, she should not be punished for it. Even if a woman does something the society doesn't like, still her human rights should be protected.

No woman should be killed in the name of honour for wearing short clothes, for losing her virginity before marriage or for adultery.

Just because I defend their human right to stay alive and safe doesn't mean I promote their ways of life.

Just because I say even a prostitute doesn't deserve to be tortured doesn't mean I am promoting prostitution.

And people don't see that difference and they jump to conclusions and they put words in a feminist's word.

In the same way, defending LGBT's rights to stay alive is not the same as promoting LGBT.

People need to see that difference to see the real meaning of "My Body, My Choice," which is trying to spread a message of peace by saying even if a woman chooses to be different, she should still stay alive. It is all about condemning honour killings and the habit of shaming women, which also leads to shaming victims.

For example: people blame short clothes for rape. Some even blame objectification of women in films for rape rates.

This means those people never learnt the concept of "consent."

Even a prostitute doesn't deserve to be raped. She can also say no.

A man can't turn around and say, "Oh, it doesn't matter if a prostitute gets raped, she objectified herself."

In one domestic abuse case of Asma Aziz, she was shamed by the society just because she was a "party girl." People justified her getting tortured by judging her character, which outraged liberals and feminists like. The media leaked a video of her dancing to shame her and even a female lawyer chose to shame her for being a party girl.

Kim Kardashian also has human rights to be safe from violence.

[kayaleyla285]

My body, my choice. I can lose my virginity anytime any way I like. My body, my choice.
-Some part of the video says this.

Disagreed completely! I am sorry but don't you think religion is valuable too? And we have some rules and regulations to abide by?
And you know the punishment of Zina (very much adultery) in the Quran. (TALKING AS AND FOR MUSLIM WOMEN)
Why do people drag things to vulgarity?

[kayaleyla285]

Rape should be condemned, forced marriages should be condemned but why allowing all that?

[Shezadi]

Quran states, "there is no compulsion in religion." This means we can't force someone to be religious. It is between them and Allah.

[Shezadi]

Did you read what I typed underneath my question?

[Shezadi]

I am not promoting western culture or telling people to support western culture and neither I am forcing someone to become westernised. I am just saying people should be "tolerant" towards westernised women. They should avoid interfering in their personal lives. They should avoid shaming westernised women. Shaming women provokes honour killings.

[Shezadi]

Intolerance towards westernised women leads to Islamophobia.

[Shezadi]

"My Body, My choice" movement is trying to end honour killings. When people will stop shaming women, honour killings will not happen.

[Shezadi]

Shaming women's clothes makes men think it is okay to rape them or harass them. Shaming women is also linked with victim blaming and shaming.

[PrincessGrail]

Once again, I agree with you

[Shezadi]

"Intelligent minds think alike" by PrincessGrail, July 2019, America.

[PrincessGrail]

Thanks :-)

[Shezadi]

welcome

[bhavy24]

I fully support this movement, rapes happen due to poor upbringing of boys not because of short clothes and why isn't a guy's virginity questioned

[bhavy24]

Thanks for MHO

[Shezadi]

welcome.

[Shezadi]

It is 12 am in India. Go to sleep.

[bhavy24]

Ok good night

[callmeprem]

Sis you nailed it in conveying message

[Shezadi]

Unfortunately, the entire nation failed to understand the real message behind that Deepika's vogue video on My body, My choice. She was accused of promoting adultery but she was just trying to say that honour killing has no justification.

[callmeprem]

Right madam but some educated person understood it

[Shezadi]

hahahahahaha such a sarcastic comment

[Shezadi]

It is funny how you call me madam when I am 4 years younger than you. I don't know how to react to that. You either use that word to be respectful or to be sarcastic or to be patronising. So, do you call me madam to be respectful or sarcastic or patronising?

[Shezadi]

One minute, I am your sis and the other minute, I am your madam. I think when you are happy you call me sis and when you want to be sarcastic, you call me madam.

[Berethor]

You are mixing too many things here, should you be allowed to be a slut if you want? ya maybe, should people be allowed to slut-shame you for that? yes, they have an freedom of speech, and feminists should not be allowed to tell people what they can say and what they can't say. Adultery is an highly controversial topic, an cheating slut is the worse kind of slut, an official prostitute is nowhere as bad as an cheating slut. Also even if a guy would not shame an slut in public, he is still very likely to not want to have anything serious with an slut, and it's his right, it's his body, his choice, why you think that guys are not allowed to choose? if a guy want to marry a virgin over an slut it's his choice, a slut should not try to force/trick him into marrying her.

tvtropes.org/.../NatureAdoresAVirgin

[Shezadi]

You are disgusting. Shaming women has a direct link with honour killings, domestic abuse, harassment and rapes.

[Berethor]

You foolish, those who want to kill you are not going to waste time on talking to you.

[ShortCircuit]

I wholeheartedly believe in the statement "My body, my choice.", however, I don't believe in the implications made by the typical proponent of said statement.

In the United States (where said movement is most mainstream), the statement "My body, my choice." is so self-evident that it doesn't even need to be stated. That's why people are suspicious of the implications when it *is* stated--and rightly so, because the implications are usually nothing but a strawman to discredit the right wing on any and all issues (however pertinent or impertinent said issues even are to the statement).

For instance, the statement "My body, my choice." is often used to justify abortion. Coming from someone who is not even necessarily pro-life, abortion simply is not an issue of bodily autonomy. Rather, it is an issue of the definition of life, and intellectual consistency with the ethics that guide existing laws.

The statement "My body, my choice." was originally a politically neutral statement, but it has been hijacked by the left as a strawman to be used to shut down right wingers (who, in the United States, generally believe in bodily autonomy) on issues that have jack shit to do with bodily autonomy.

[Celtero]

"My body, my choice" is just an arrangement of words, it has no logic, and it is not an argument.

I robbed a bank, but I don't have to go to jail because it's "my body my choice," so I get to choose where it goes. No.

[Shezadi]

Robbing a bank is illegal but wearing short clothes or losing virginity before marriage is not illegal. Cheating is immoral but doesn't justify honour killing because men don't get killed in the name of honour.

[Celtero]

You can argue sexual freedom, it doesn't change the fact that "my body my choice" is just a random arrangement of words that sounds good.

[Dargil]

*Do whatever you like to or with or to your plumbing. Don't attempt to use government to make me accommodate it in any way. That includes baking cakes or hiring you if I know you are deviating from ordinary male and female identification. We probably don't agree here.
*I will never stop objectifying women. The Creator wired men that way. But we do have an obligation to be civil about it. We don't agree here.
*Honor killings, Muslim or otherwise, should be punished with a life sentence and no parole. We probably agree here.
*I think prostitution should be de-criminalized, licensed, regulated and taxed. Regulation will include limits to what a client can request and a sex worker can provide. We may not agree here.
*I don't care if you walk down the street naked with a "fukk me now" sign on your back. It does not justify forceable rape. I think we agree here.

[slatyb]

If you open a business to send the public, then you have to serve the public. There's no difference between a religious opposition to same-sex marriage and opposition to mixed-race relationships or opposition to blacks and whites sharing a swimming pool. If you are unwilling to serve the public, don't open a public business.

[Dargil]

@slatyb Your broad brush does not compel me. Its not a "public" business. It is a private business. I am not government and am not obligated under the equal protection clause or interstate commerce clauses of the constitution. You can get what you want from some other business which chooses to cater to you. If I provided an essential like a pharmacy or gasoline, I am obligated. My cake is voluntary. I don't have to sell it and you don't need it. My opening a business does not obligate me to operate according to your standards or serve every member of the public. We can start with no shoes no shirt no service an the way to private membership clubs.

[slatyb]

According to the laws in many states, opening a business requires you to serve without discriminating on race, sex, religion, nationality, and sexual orientation. Don't like it? Don't go into business, work to have the law changed, or violate the law and accept the consequences.

[Dargil]

@slatyb But not in all states, and the Supreme Court will ultimately decide. Further. that goes both ways. Of I am a fundamentalist Christian, you cannot demand I violate my religious beliefs by serving you. There are ways to circumvent government over-reach, now that we know these challenges can come.

[slatyb]

D Do you think that you should be able to open a shop selling wedding cakes but put up a sign saying "No mixed race couples" ? How is that different from refusing to serve same-sex couples?

[Dargil]

@slatyb I would never put up such a sign. I am in a mixed race couple.

[Shezadi]

Dargil, I agree with you. People need to learn the definition of "consent" so they can stop blaming short clothes and objectification because even a prostitute or Kim Kardashian doesn't deserve to be raped. It is all about consent.

[Dargil]

And civility.

[Shezadi]

hahahahahahahaha

[slatyb]

I didn't ask whether you would display such a sign. I asked how a religious objection to same-sex marriage (once common) is different from a religious objection to mixed -race marriage.

[Dargil]

@slatyb Religious objection to same-sex "marriage" IS common. Those accepting it (Episcopalians and certain other "protestant" denominations) have compromised on that and other doctrine. The Bible, to which I subscribe, is clear on same sex couplings. Same sex ATTRACTION is not sinful. Couplings are and Christians cannot endorse them. Mixed race marriage was and is Biblical. The Creator demonstrated this in Numbers where Moses brought home his new wife Zipporah, a Cushite woman who likely towered over him and looked like this.

Aaron and Miriam ridiculed him for it. They paid the price.
The Creator also demonstrated how same sex couplings were viewed in many places you can find for yourself in the Bible.
If you recall, your President attempted to force The Little Sisters of the Poor to include contraception (and abortion?) in their insurance plan. Something similar for Hobby Lobby and ultimately failed. Fortunately, the Free Exercise clause is adjoined to the Establishment clause and conscientious Christians cannot be compelled by their actions to support something antithetical to their interests where the general public's rights are not being denied. You can buy your cake elsewhere.

[slatyb]

So far the Supreme Court has deftly avoided making any ruling. You keep repeating your beliefs about same-sex marriage. I didn't ask that. Do you think a sincere objection to mixed-race marriages would permit a baker to turn away a mixed race couple seeking a wedding cake?

[Dargil]

@slatyb No, I do not. Maybe I sincerely want to kill someone... There's no valid foundation for either. There is for gay "marriage". Bear in mind, I have no objection to Domestic Partnerships for any legal reason. Per Amendment 14. "You keep repeating your beliefs about same-sex marriage. I didn't ask that." *That has been the essence of the debate.. claiming equal rights (that don't exist) to other conditions, such as interracial marriage where they do. I am using up a lot of electronic ink and I know we won't agree that my religious belief, such that it does not deny you a legal right (to a wedding cake) because you don'e really "need" it and can buy it elsewhere, is superior to your wish for government to overrule it, so perhaps its time to agree to disagree.

[slatyb]

So what's the difference between a religious objection to mixed-race marriage and an religious objection to same-sex marriage that would permit a court to allow one but not the other? Mixed-race marriages were illegal in some states until Loving vs. Virginia in 1967. Courts are not in the business of biblical interpretation, so you need to find some real-world basis to make a distinction.

[Dargil]

Courts are not in the business of biblical interpretation, so you need to find some real-world basis to make a distinction @slatyb "So what's the difference between a religious objection to mixed-race marriage and an religious objection to same-sex marriage" *There is no Biblical foundation for prohibiting a mixed race marriage. Only corrupt unconstitutional legislators can do that... Democrats, incidentally. To wit: "Mixed-race marriages were illegal in some states until Loving vs. Virginia in 1967. There IS Biblical foundation for opposing (not preventing) gay marriage. But I already said that. Religion does not "permit" or prohibit a court in any act. "Courts are not in the business of biblical interpretation, so you need to find some real-world basis to make a distinction." The Free Exercise clause IS my distinction. If you feel it is invalid, then I think we are done.

[Dargil]

@slatyb "So what's the difference between a religious objection to mixed-race marriage and an religious objection to same-sex marriage (?)" There's no Biblical foundation for prohibiting interracial marriage. Only corrupt Democrat legislators did that, in place until until Loving vs. Virginia in 1967. There is a Biblical foundation for Christians to oppose and deny material support to (but not to prevent) gay "marriage". "Courts are not in the business of biblical interpretation, so you need to find some real-world basis to make a distinction." *My "real world basis" is the "Free Exercise" clause of the 14th amendment. Real world enough?

[slatyb]

You keep dodging the question. I could have a religious objection to mixed-race marriages and refuse service to a mixed-race couple. Why is that different from an objection to same-sex marriage? The Bible is not an admissible argument. You read it your way, I read it my way. My objection is just as sincere as yours. So now you are telling the Supreme Court why an objection to same-sex marriage is protected by the Free Exercise clause, but my objection to mixed-race marriage is not.

[Dargil]

@slatyb "You keep dodging the question. I could have a religious objection to mixed-race marriages and refuse service to a mixed-race couple." How many times do I have to answer it? There is no religious basis to oppose same sex marriage. It is a hypothetical I cannot respond to. If you are saying "your" religion could prohibit it, my response, that you will really dislike, is that if your religion prohibits interracial marriage, it is a false religion. (Here comes...) "The Bible is not an admissible argument." Of course it is, to me, and protected by the Free Exercise clause. You cannot dismiss it because you want to. "You read it your way, I read it my way." Provide for me supporting scripture endorsing same sex marriage. "My objection is just as sincere as yours" Again, when if I sincerely want to murder someone? "So now you are telling the Supreme Court why an objection to same-sex marriage is protected by the Free Exercise clause, but my objection to mixed-race marriage is not (?) As we used to say in Massachusetts, "Dawn breaks over Marblehead!" (a small town). Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. We are making progress here. But objection is not the issue. Its government action to force or obstruct liberty. The Constitution says you cannot obstruct interracial marriage, whether believe you should or not.. The Constitution says I cannot be compelled to go against my religious beliefs to materially support gay marriage even if you believe I should be.

[AngelLily]

No I don't.

[VanillaIcecream]

Yeah you can do what you want. That doesn’t mean the rest of us have to like it. IF you sleep around, men are not going to like it. If you wear revealing clothes, men won’t respect you or see you as wife material.

[Shezadi]

They don't have to like me or agree with me but they don't have to kill me in the name of honour. They don't have to shame me or my family to provoke my honour killing.

[Shezadi]

Right now, two women are being nationally shamed in Pakistan. Mehwish Hayat and Iqra Aziz who are Pakistani actresses. Mehwish Hayat is being shamed for doing item songs where she showed her belly and for winning a national award. The funny thing she did a item song three years. No one said anything but when she won a national award this year, the entire country trolled her on social media. Now, she made another movie and in that item song she is covered up, only her arms are showing, yet people are trying to ban the song and the film. Iqra Aziz is being shamed for having a boyfriend and she is being accused of losing her virginity before marriage. This is being discussed nationally.

[AynonOMouse]

I disagree. People very much SHOULD be killed for adultery, especially if they already had children with their SO.

And the "my body my choice" thing usually refers to women getting to have an abortion without the father's consent (or the kid's). So it is more of ONLY her rights matter and nobody else's. It is a very sexist and hypocritical concept.

[homegardener]

The Deepika video had become a subject of great controversy as it allegedly promoted infidelity

[Shezadi]

NO! It didn't promote infidelity. She meant to say even if a woman cheats on her partner, she shouldn't be killed in the name of honour.

[homegardener]

thats why I mentioned allegedly. It seemed rather pathetic to me too to interpret it such. Let me revisit the video, I didn't know it discussed honour killing in the same context. UPDATE: Its a typical feminazi propaganda vid, barely proclaims the atrocities women indeed face

[homegardener]

the description written by you, however, does touch upon it fortunately.

[Shezadi]

The real purpose of "My Body, My Choice" is not to promote or enforce western culture in an Asian country. The purpose is to end the honour killings of women who choose to be westernised in an Asian country. It is all about freedom of choice. A woman should never think that if she chooses to be liberal in a conservative country, she will end up being beaten to death by her father and brother. The purpose of that video is also to end shaming because shaming leads to violence against women. Shaming women also leads to shaming victims. Shaming leads to intolerance and intolerance leads to violence. People are free to have their personal opinions on women's life choices but that doesn't mean they have to kill her in the name of honour for making certain life choices and just to make their point. Even if I don't agree with a woman's life choices, she still has human and legal rights to be safe from me. I don't have to hurt her to make a point.

[homegardener]

agreed

[Shezadi]

thank you

[Caunsos]

Yes it makes more sense

[Shezadi]

hahahahaha thank you Sadly, some will never get it and I also feel the meaning of the message is not conveyed properly. People see the line as a threat when it is just safeguarding human rights of those who choose to be different.

[Caunsos]

I also help know if my mother didn't get an abortion when she need one i would most likely not be alive today.

[baram]

Your question is related to Morality, and Morality is different from a Society to another... but despite this, I personally believe the Human is a free creature and no one has right to tell him/her to do anything in personal life... I think living in these systems that tell to Humans what to tell, what to wear, what to eat and so on is a Hell!
So Morality is: Don't make unnecessary pain to others... but Morality lots of time hurt others, for example: You wear a beautiful cloth and that is your right, but you see some persons can't accept your cloth and criticize you... your work is morally right and they suffer from their close - minded...

[Vesta]

i think that if you're in like, the 8th or 9th month, and you're like "i dont want it now", then it's too late. you HAVE to have it, but, if it's like, in the few weeks or months, at least up until you even know you are pregnant, that you should be able to decide if you want it or not

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Do whatever you want with her body, but don't harm the child in it with an abortion or abusing drugs etc.

[Shezadi]

True! When it comes to "My body, My choice" abortion is the only thing I don't agree with. The rest is okay. The rest of the things can be dealt with. If someone is Qandeel Baloch, people can stop watching her on the internet. If a woman has a boyfriend, she can just be married off. If a woman cheats, she can just be divorced. If a woman is a prostitute, people can stop going to her. Those things can be dealt with in a civil way without the need of honour killing. However, once the abortion is done, it can't be reversed and that affects the father and the baby too. Therefore, in the case of abortion a woman can never turn around to say, "It's my life, it doesn't affect anyone" because it DOES affect the father, the fetus and sometimes the entire family.

[legalboxers]

I am not telling you what to do with your body, I dont tell you and Im not quoting from talking points and not the King James Bible which is construed for the sheep to follow blindly

[Shezadi]

"I just came here to read the comments" Man I am like that 99.9% of the time, where I am just a witness getting entertained whilst people fight or roast each other. We are the referees and our job is to keep the score and see who will win.

[Jerre]

Absolutely, I believe in "My Body, My Choice"

[Mad_Folks]

Its right for one community and wrong for another

[Nadim171]

I don't have a problem with the slogan, unless it's used to justify abortion. Because fetuses are not part of a woman's body.

[Shezadi]

true

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

Obviously it's your choice
But I still think that if someone suggest you not to do something because it may harm you then I think you should listen to them as well as process it and you shouldn't use this slogan about "my choice" as excuse
My elder brother told me when I was 14 to not to do drugs and smoke
Till this day it's my best advice that I ever got
And I think because this commercial was misinterpreted by many people
It was ban