Is pornography immoral?

[Anonymous]

[AbleLearner]

Only if you are in a committed relationship or marriage where your partner tells you not to do it.

Let me explain:

For example, what did people do before clothing was invented? They saw naked people of both sexes all the time. IN fact, some tribes around the world still have invented little or no clothing to this day, and they actually have a much lower rate of murder and rape than the allegedly "civilized" world.

Even 2000 years ago, men and women all over the civilized world still bathed together in public bath houses, even in Israel.

The notion that public nudity should be a crime is a very recent, and probably Objectively Wrong, position to hold. As for hundreds of thousands of years (actually ten million years of hominid evolution) clothing had not even been invented, and they could not be Objectively Immoral for looking at one another, just because clothing did not exist.

So it IS Objectively Immoral to violate your commitment to your spouse.

However, pornography itself is not Objectively Immoral..

The truth is that for most of my adult life, I actually refused to watch pornography, because I held the position that it was probably wrong. However, over time I changed from this position because of the clothing argument and some other arguments, and because someone (an atheist actually) called me out on it and pointed out that the Christian position on this was actually wrong. Now I didn't really listen to him right away, It took another 15 years before his argument sunk in as valid and true.

So anyway, I have on occasion looked at pornography more recently, not all the time certainly, and I don't have collections of it on my computer or whatever, but I think that it actually helped my self-image of all things, and it even helped me resolve an apparent moral paradox I always struggled with, so I don't see how that could come from something Objectively Immoral.

[sawno]

No, porn is not immoral in many cases but in some cases the way its produced can be.
Luckily the good kind of porn is easy to spot especially if you know a bit about sex.

In general self produced content tends to be authentic and since its the couple or gorl producing it there is nothing bad going on.

Another thing to look for is porn studio's who do interviews before and after and who don't constantly switch camera angles. In general the typical brazzers style hardcore porn will be the kind of stuff to avoid.

[CarpetDenim]

Do you mean starring in it or watching it? I guess it doesn’t matter, either way it’s at least questionable.

Starring in it means you’re having meaningless sex with someone you don’t love, all for a paycheck. I personally think having sex with anyone outside of a longterm committed relationship is wrong to begin with, not to mention doing so for money.

Watching it isn’t nearly as bad, and I don’t really see a problem with it at all if you’re single and don’t have a partner to satisfy your sexual needs. I actually think it’s healthy and that someone is probably better off taking care of themselves and releasing that tension in such a way every once in a while than someone who refuses to on the basis of moral standards. However, if you are in a relationship, and you have a considerate partner who does everything they can to satisfy you sexually and attend to all your needs and desires, and you still have an inclination to watch and get off to other people’s bodies and whatnot in pornography, there’s something wrong with that. It’s not fair to your partner to refuse them the opportunity to satisfy you and to instead turn to videos of other women/men to get off, and I don’t think you can truly be 100% committed to them if you feel the desire to do so. So at the very least, watching it while you’re committed to someone is questionable and certainly bodes badly for your relationship, but I don’t know if I would go so far as to call it immoral.

[NovissimumVirorum]

Sex with anyone outside of marriage is wrong*

[AntiNocturnal]

Agreed

[Mollynotgemma]

Yes! Absolutely! It makes a mockery and a false representation of sex between a couple in love!
I would never let my child do it so therefor I would never watch it!
It makes people insecure about what they should do and how they should ‘do’ something!
It’s unnatural what they do and disrespectful to the act of sex!
Porn is the reason relationships fail and people can’t perform for fear of being judged by what they think they should do as opposed to doing what they feel at that moment in time!

[bamesjond0069]

I learned how to have sex from porn. And girls think im really good at it. So I don't know if its all bad. But i do agree its immoral.

[ActiveSh1tter]

If women had it their way the there would be no sex in the world, only cuddling.

[bamesjond0069]

@ActiveSh1tter thats the dumbest thing i ever heard. Women love sex just as much as men.

[ActiveSh1tter]

@bamesjond0069 haha There's so many things I could say to show you how wrong you are. But I've repeated them so often I've just given up. You people never learn.

[bamesjond0069]

@ActiveSh1tter So why have girls drove 2+ hours to come have sex with me based off my reputation and the fact I worked as a porn star and then leave and not try to be my girlfriend per se? I am real curious on your take.

[ActiveSh1tter]

@bamesjond0069 that's extremely rare, and perhaps they just wanted a relationship with you. They most likely felt "used and worthless" later as all women who have casual sex do. Sex is just the price they're willing to pay for a relationship. They might enjoy it if they have to do it but they'd prefer to skip it and get the relationship for free.

[bamesjond0069]

@ActiveSh1tter no just sex. They probably did feel used and worthless after but they liked sex and wanted it w me. That simple.

[DWD1994]

Not everyone has sex because they're in love. They do it because it feels good

[apple-eve]

I do not think its "immoral" if its willingly.

It doesn't make you a "bad" person to be in pornography however.. it may give people the wrong impression or heavy opinion about you or said person doing it but in the end... it's your body, your life.

[Daniela1982]

Really? Matthew 5:28 disagrees with you.

[slatyb]

@Daniela1982 Matthew who?

[Daniela1982]

@slatyb The book Matthew in the Bible.

[Paris13]

It is Not Bible Worthy, However, I only Judge it when Guys or even Girls, Become, Hun, OBSESSED. xx

[Porcelaine]

Not immoral, but surely distasteful

[LesterJester]

Morals are subjective, so because of this, there isn't a solid answer to the question. Just opinions. While it might not be moral to one person, it might be for others.

Me? It is neither moral or immoral.

[Daniela1982]

If you are talking Christianity then it is. If you are a stank ass Ho athiest then it isn't.

[frostwalrus]

what is with you and hoes?

[cavmanier]

@frostwalrus it's almost Christmas time? Okay sorry for the terrible joke lol

[frostwalrus]

@cavmanier That was quite bad indeed. But its ok to make bad jokes.

[cavmanier]

@frostwalrus The ladies love them 😎

[RXbbrt]

I love God as well but don’t judge anyone

[PinkMichae]

The bible also says don't judge thy neighbor. But perhaps you just pick and choose what part you feel proves your beliefs and dismiss the rest you don't want to abide by. I'm with @RXbbrt. I too love God too. But as a human I know I'm not perfect. I have sinned and will continue to sin until I leave this life. I will live my life doing the best I can to not sin but i still will from time to time. And so will you. I've already experienced one of your comments that shows you don't act the way God would want you too (thats immoral). And it's hypocritical to call people immoral when you are being immoral yourself. Plus I doubt God is gonna call atheist bitch ass hoes.

[EmperorOfRussia]

I side with you, Daniela. 1 Corinthians 2:15 says: "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things". Point is, a true Christian judge THINGS, not SOULS. And pornography is an immoral thing that deserve nothing but our contempt. Ephesians 5:3 says: "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people". You are not a Christian, @PinkMichae, but a moral relativist.

[EmperorOfRussia]

@RXbbrt, She is not sentencing anyone to death for being a sinner. What she said was just that people who engage in pornography - whether as a watcher or a performer - are weak minded, lack faith and are a terrible role model. She just said it with other words... Lol. Stop being overdramatic.

[PinkMichae]

@EmperorOfRussia. You're right. I'm not a Christian. I don't label my beliefs. I was brought up in the Christian church and I found a lot of them to be hypocrites. I believe in God as my creator and think he just wants us to be the best people we can be. And you can stand by Daniela and think God would be ok with her calling people stank ass ho's. That just goes to show your heart and character. Porns not ok but her dirty mouth is. And her using God to prove her point and while ignoring her own wrong doings in God's eyes is worse than anyone watching porn. So run off and be happy being hypocrites together and using God to do it.

[PinkMichae]

Talk about weak.

[EmperorOfRussia]

@PinkMichae, Your bad. I don't fear to take sides or to "label" my beliefs just because people could feel uncomfortable and think bad of me, I can stand for myself and I not fighting for anyone's validation. "So run off and be happy being hypocrites together and using God to do it." That's rich coming from a person who says "don't judge"! I'm laughing at your presumptuousness. It's really amusing. The same person who says "don't judge", judged me and Daniela a minute after saying that. Rules don't apply to yourself, it seems. And you judged in the worst way possible: by assuming we are evil and hypocrites in our souls. You were attributing to our souls things you don't see, you can not see because you are not God.

[EmperorOfRussia]

But it seems you are your own god. You seem to make a god out of yourself if you think you are above Good and Evil and that you could set rules to other people (not to you, you are exempt from following rules because you are god). You judged your own church's peers as if you were better than them. You judged me and Daniela a minute after you gave a lecture about "not judging others". You decided that you are a good person and that we are not, as if you could see our souls. That's blasphemy. You don't have divine powers to make such claims. You condemn Daniela's choice of words and claim it's worse than porn. Let me say something to you... I never saw some swear words causing adultery, a raging epidemic of addiction and mental illnesses, brain damage, human trafficking, among other things. It's porn that is causing this. You have no sense of proportion because you see more evil in impertinent but harmless swear words than in this demonic poison called porn, which is disgracing marriages and young people's lives these days.

[QueenTanya]

@EmperorOfRussia Amen.

[PinkMichae]

@EmperorOfRussia. Just because I shared a verse from the Bible she claims to follow doesn't mean I believe we shouldn't judge. If we didn't judge in this world then criminals would get away with their crimes without paying for them. I believe in judging bad behavior. But when I judge at least I'm not doing it to be mean but to make the person aware of their wrong doing. And if she hadn't stood behind christianity to call atheists stank ass hoes knowing full well the bible would concider that a sin. You don't sin while calling someone else out on theirs. That's called being a hypocrite. It's not meant to be mean it's just the truth. She needs to find a better way to judge things if she's gonna use a religion to do it. I think God would have liked her to say what she believes in a way that would make people think about it. Not just automatically turn them away by calling them names. So you can continue to stand by her. But it makes you look like a hypocrite too defending her bad behavior.

[PinkMichae]

And no I will never claim to be God. I'm just his daughter. But I understand you had to throw that in there to deflect. But I don't think you are bad people and I'm not trying to hurt anyone feelings. Perhaps I could have found a better way to make her and you understand why it's wrong to judge like that. Like I said I'm human and make mistakes. But I can own up to them. I don't see that you two can. You'd rather make excuses for what was clearly bad behavior. Hopefully you will help you'll get it someday. Bless you

[Duckysback]

No, what the fuck kind of question is that?

[Alex_988_2]

What is immoral then?

[Duckysback]

@Alex_988_2 kicking puppies, raping babies, shooting up schools... Like you realize there are real problems in the world, right?

[Alex_988_2]

You are dumb

[Red_Arrow]

Sounds reasonable to me. I guess Alex likes kicking puppies and shooting up schools.

[Duckysback]

@Red_Arrow Eh, can't fix stupid. Not even gonna try.

[pauly-d]

@Alex_988_2 you're the dumb one dude.

[Alex_988_2]

@pauly-d you really 39?

[Utahslastbadboy]

Yes and it takes away from true intamacy

[hahahmm]

Only if it negatively affects your life/others lives. Otherwise it’s like asking if thinking is immoral or daydreaming.

[iluvthai]

Put to death therefore whatever belongs to your Earthly Nature's sexual immorality impurity lust evil desires and greed which is idolatry because of these the wrath of God is coming. Colossians 3:5. And for those of you who don't believe the Bible doesn't make it not true.

[Agape93]

Do you think people deserve to die for watching porn?

[iluvthai]

No because I would be dead long time ago.

[Agape93]

Ok good. Do you think people deserve gods wrath for watching porn?

[iluvthai]

Why don't you ask God himself he'll tell you what he wants you to do with your pornography issue. Sin is Sin regardless whether is pornography adultery lying stealing Sin is Sin. The wages of sin is death. Interesting word wages. We get wages for the works we do at our jobs. Wages for what we deserve. God grant us forgiveness for our repentance, but he does not promise tomorrow for our procrastination. It is far better for a person to go into eternity with Jesus Christ than without him. And speaking of work I got to get going. Keep searching before that door is closed.

[Agape93]

I’m asking you for your personal opinion. Alright have a safe day at work! :)

[iluvthai]

My personal opinion comes from scripture, the Holy Bible. I'm trying daily to let go and let God lead my life. Thanks God bless and be well.

[Agape93]

So what do you think gods wrath entails in regards to the sin of watching porn?

[DiegoO]

@Agape93 what that symbol represents?

[Agape93]

It’s the thelemic unicursal hexagram.

[QueenTanya]

Yes, it is. Don't record yourself having sex and don't watch recordings of other people having sex. It's disgusting

[DWD1994]

Lol why do you care what people do in the privacy of their own home? As long as they're not watching child porn, it shouldn't be an issue

[Daniela1982]

@DWD1994 Really? And how long before some disgruntled Ex posts them on line?

[DWD1994]

@Daniela1982 That's basically victim blaming..

[QueenTanya]

@DWD1994 you're only defending porn 'cause you're horny af and watch it 24/7. Also, it does matter what people do in the "privacy" of their home, when it's no longer private. Their posting theirselves for the whole world to see, and I'm the one getting their nasty ads. Also, the people who watch pornography and support it are disgusting human beings who fuel the fire and allow the porn industry to continue their atrocious stupidity. Am I over exaggerating? Maybe. But I do have an underlying point. Porn is nasty dude. 🤷‍♀️

[DWD1994]

If you're getting ads for porn, get ad block. Problem solved. And I also defend porn because its not big brother government's business what I decide to do in the privacy of my own home.

[QueenTanya]

Yo dude. Do you understand what privacy is? It's no longer PRIVACY, when you post it for the WORLD to see. So yes, it is everyone's business when you make it everyone's business.

[DWD1994]

Okay I'm talking about watching it, not necessarily posting it online. Recording it doesn't give other people the right to post it online either

[QueenTanya]

See? That's the thing with porn. It's the whole damn industry, you may think it's innocent watching a thick busted white girl get dick up her vagina but you don't know what goes on behind the scenes. Sometimes it's traumatizing for the people acting in the porn. Just because their moaning don't mean their enjoying it. It's just their job and most of them hate it. So think about that next time you decide to jack off to some "hot Asian teen gets cock up her pussy" stupidity. You don't deserve to have me judging you like this, I know, but I'm doing it anyway because you defend it like porn is good. I'm talking about the fake industry by the way. And you're right, it isn't anyone's business what you do in your home but it's always in your conscious. I just hope you aren't addicted yet

[DWD1994]

I usually just try to watch it recreationally. And porn is a job, its not meant to be enjoyable. You may as well bring up the guy slaving away at waffle house, sweating on the grill and say "Do you really think he likes that job? Its probably really exhausting!" Its a job, its not meant to be enjoyed. The end goal is to make money, not have fun. This type of logic could be applied to any job. And I honestly don't care if you judge me for watching porn.

[QueenTanya]

Yeah you're a lost cause lmao. I give up 🤷‍♀️

[Daniela1982]

@DWD1994 Well of course guys love porn and have their dicks in their hands because they have no life and are not married or have a girlfriend.

[DWD1994]

@Daniela1982 Fail to see how not being married is a bad thing. why buy the cow when the milk is free?

[QueenTanya]

The milk is processed, it isn't as natural, it isn't warm and healthy like the actual cow. Also, the cow comes with more benefits like the meat. Once you have the cow, you'll never run out of milk. If you just buy the milk, you'll have to keep buying more. It'll cost you. Soon you'll think you have no need for the cow, which is why you'll eventually never find a good one. See the analogy I'm making here, sir? Women are the cow, pornography is the milk.

[MrCon10t]

Sex isn't disgusting and I defy you to tell me how watching a video of other people doing it is.

[DWD1994]

The phrase 'why buy the cow when the milk is free' mainly refers to sex. Why bother getting married when men can have sex with women without any long term commitment attached?

[latinabutterfly96]

@QueenTanya Porn actors & actresses have a job and most of them actually enjoy it. I don’t see how watching porn is wrongful in any way. There are a lot of movie actors who also hate their job but we love watching their sitcoms and movies! It pleases our senses! So is it wrong to watch movies if the actors hate their jobs? Maybe you were taught that sexual activity was immoral or you grew up in some sort of religious environment, but i don’t see the logic of your answer.

[QueenTanya]

@latinabutterfly96 Quite the opposite actually. I was taught sexual activity is good, but the fact that people record theirselves doing it is disgusting.

[MrCon10t]

@QueenTanya You still haven't said why you think it's disgusting.

[latinabutterfly96]

"but the fact that people record theirselves doing it is disgusting.". Ok... How and why?

[QueenTanya]

@MrCon10t for the same exact reasons people wear clothes in public, for the same exact reasons we don't urinate and stuff in public or even record ourselves doing that. Recording yourself having sex, is literally the same exact thing.

[latinabutterfly96]

The funny thing is, porn is only on porn sites. It's not the way you describe, and it's not like being naked in public. You only watch porn if YOU want to. No one forces you to watch them record themselves, so if that's the case, then don’t watch porn yourself. Simple!

[MrCon10t]

News Flash: People do all of those things. If you didn't know that, then you're pretty sheltered.

[QueenTanya]

That's not the analogy I'm making. The fact is, you don't know what kind of creepy people are seeing you. People from all over the world, that's way worse than being naked in public. Especially because people have all these disgusting fantasies, and masturbate to you. It gets addicting, it ruins relationships, and some even promote rape and human trafficking. Violent things like BDSM. It allows women to be objectified AND vice versa. There are too many problems with it, and nobody sees it because guess what? - They don't want to.

[MrCon10t]

I don't think anyone would deny that some aspects of porn are corrupt, but we don't get rid of things that could possibly be bad. If we did, not a single thing or person on planet Earth would be left standing. Do we get rid of our government every time someone yells "bribery"? Some people like the idea of people masturbating to them, finding the concept gratifying or a compliment. In cases of BDSM, the women involved are there of their own volition and because they want to be. Don't hold it against other people for being into things you aren't.

[QueenTanya]

@MrCon10t I never said things like BDSM are bad for the people who are participating, of course it isn't actually hurting them if it's consensual. However, it's promoting violent behavior. So, is porn good? Of course it isn't good for us. What are the benefits? So then that leads us back to the original question, is porn immoral? Yes. But I won't hold it against anyone 🤷‍♀️

[DWD1994]

How is it promoting violent behavior? BDSM is all about consent. Also anything can be addictive. People get addicted to food, work, etc. Just because people get addicted to porn, doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater much the same way that just because people get fat from eating McDonalds, doesn't mean we ban all McDonalds restaurants

[MrCon10t]

Don't get me wrong. For the sake of my own intrigue, I've been playing the Devil's advocate this whole time. I think porn is immoral too. What I seek here is understanding.

[QueenTanya]

@MrCon10t @DWD1994 That's fine with me. I think sex is mainly for two things - reproduction, and intimacy. Porn strips it of both things and twists it. Sex is supposed to be showing love to both parties in an intimate manner. Most porn only shows the gratification of one person. Porn is meaningless sex, which means there is no intent to reproduce, and it's also mainly between total strangers or just co-workers, which means it isn't intimate. So then, what good is it?

[DWD1994]

This isn't the 17th century. Nobody has sex anymore for the sole purpose of procreation or love. We do it because it feels good.

[QueenTanya]

@DWD1994 I hope STDs and paying child support feels just as good. God have mercy on you. People like you are a lost cause. Just throwing yourselves around like the prostitutes you are, have you no shame? I hope the instant gratification will sustain you eternity in hell. Your ignorance is unfathomable, I still love you though. Good luck. Extend my love to your 70 kids all over the world 👋

[DWD1994]

I'm actually gonna get a vasectomy soon so I won't have to worry about child support. And also I don't believe in Hell.

[mistixs]

Yes because many of the actresses in porn are victims of trafficking. Demand drives supply, so if you watch porn, then you're contributing to sex trafficking (rape).

[kittycat119]

Lol no you're not. Those women do it willingly. Porn isn't sex trafficking

[mistixs]

@kittycat119 Many women do it willingly, but many women do not, & it's often not possible to distinguish which women are nonconsenting & which were forced into it.

[kittycat119]

Not true. Very very few do it out of being forced

[mistixs]

@kittycat119 that's just speaking out of ignorance.

[kittycat119]

No. That's speaking out if knowing what I'm talking about

[cavmanier]

You could say that about cell phones for the T-shirt you're wearing. Most factories have legal labor but you can't know for sure if the factor worker or actress in a porn is a slave.

[mistixs]

@cavmanier there's a difference between something that's practically a "need" & something that's just watched for sexual pleasure. Just do what I do & read fanfiction instead of watching porn

[cavmanier]

The point is you often unknowingly buy products that have unethical parts to the company. Sex trafficked porn isn't illegal and few would watch illegal stuff. Criminals existing in an industry doesn't make legal businesses unethical.

[AbleLearner]

Most Sex Trafficking is done in private. There are probably a couple million sex slaves in the United States right now, and very few of them are in the porn industry. It's too easy to catch them that way. Basically every six months the police catch another ring of sex traffickers working in New Orleans, and they usually work out of massage parlors, not film studios or strip clubs.

[cavmanier]

Sorry I meant sex trafficking is illegal of course.

[Boppy]

Score one for drawn porn. Ethically better, because funding artists.

[mistixs]

@Boppy And also written erotica.

[Boppy]

Heck yeah. I'm not very familiar, but written seems to be an expansive genre. I'm down for websites or titles, if ya care to share some stuff.

[LesterJester]

Erotica is still porn. Changing the name to sound more fancy doesn't make it any different.

[mistixs]

@LesterJester It's different because unlike visual pornography, nobody's being trafficked and raped. My best friend @lewisvenable writes smut & he doesn't traffic or rape anybody in the process. It's all just a guy writing stuff on Google Docs & then publishing it.

[MrCon10t]

The question is "Is pornography immoral", not "Is watching pornography immoral". Perhaps a focus on the concept of pornography itself rather than the way it effects the world if you partake. Food for thought...

[sawno]

I don't agree trafficking is impossible to tell. If the production has interviews before and especially after you can get a grasp of how she really feels. If she clearly enjoyed the shoot and is happy i am sure no trafficking was involved. If she seems disinterested, like she had a rough time or generally out of it you know somethings up. But much easier is getting material from people who self produce. Couples who make clips themselves are the real jackpot combined with studios who shoot from one angle and where the girl is being authentic. My kink doesn't work with acting, you can immediately tell. So 90%+ of the content is with a girl who either made it herself or is enjoying the scenes.

[LesterJester]

Pornography (Noun) - printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement. It is not different. The question above is related to Porn and not specific in which type of porn is being discussed. You saying erotica is different is incorrect by definition alone. The question is if porn (in general) is immoral. You claim it is immoral yet think written erotoca/porn is OK. That's a contradiction because both are porn. And while there are some in the porn industry who do get taken advantage of, overall the industry is regulated and laws are in place to protect people. If something is illegal, those businesses are shut down and people go to jail. Their videos are also taken off of various sites, otherwise those sites face legal consequences as well. The fact of the matter is that the majority of porn stars, both male and female, go into the industry willingly and can leave at any time, freely. Why they join up and what sort of background they come from is just as irrelevant as why someone would join up to McDonald's for a job. People need money and they think they're good at it. Unless you can provide statistics and credible sources to back up your claims, your fearmongering over porn is unjustified. Go online and check out some interviews of current and former porn stars and their views on the industry, whom have first hand experience. There's a few documentaries on Netflix that do interview a few former and current actors. Some have good things to say, others have negative things to say, but none of them were forced against their will into the porn industry.

[Boppy]

@LesterJester I suppose erotica could be considered a subgroup within porn. All written erotica is porn, but not all porn is written erotica. They may both sexually titillate, but the argument here is that written erotica does not require actors, just writers, and that means the ethical considerations of sourcing actors, if there are any, (for example, an ex making money off "revenge porn") are sidestepped completely.

[cavmanier]

@Boppy right but if you are consistent about not using any product that has a component of being unethical within it's supply chain, you would basically you sit on a dirt ground and bang rocks together. This is why indemnity laws exist. End users can't know every aspect that goes into their product. If you're using a smartphone right now, there is probably a decent chance there's some unethical child labor going into it. Her logic is therefore we should never use smartphones. We should sit on the dirt and bang rocks together.

[mistixs]

@LesterJester "The question is if porn (in general) is immoral. You claim it is immoral yet think written erotoca/porn is OK. That's a contradiction because both are porn." Well, my answer was referring to what pretty much everyone thinks about when they hear the word "porn": videos. You're splitting hairs about semantics. If you need to split hairs about semantics, then that means you don't have any truly good arguments.

[LesterJester]

No I'm not splitting hairs. You're the one saying erotica is different from porn, when it IS porn. You saying I don't have any good arguments is laughable since all the claims you made thus far are baseless with no sources backing them up. You claim "video porn" (just to keep things clear here) is just sex trafficking and the women in those videos are forced to do them, which it is not and they aren't. It sounds more like you got your information mixed up between pornography and unregulated Street Prostitution.

[mistixs]

@LesterJester "No I'm not splitting hairs. You're the one saying erotica is different from porn, when it IS porn." You're splitting hairs because you're obsessively talking about how erotica is different from porn, which is ignoring my point & simply arguing semantics. By "porn" I was referring to what pretty much everyone thinks about when they think of porn: videos. You're technically right; written smut is technically porn. But that has nothing to do with my point.

[QueenTanya]

All these porn-watchers are getting triggered lmao. Just stop trying to defend yourselves, you know what you're doing is nasty deep inside.

[Boppy]

@QueenTanya You're one to talk, Ms. Anime profile pic :p

[QueenTanya]

@Boppy what does that have to do with anything? If you watch porn, you're disgusting. End of story.

[Boppy]

@QueenTanya I'm saying that anime has a similar stigma. If you watch (anime), you're disgusting, end of story. Didn't mean to derail the conversation, feel free to return to it.

[QueenTanya]

Anime doesn't have a real stigma. The only critique it actually gets is when adults watch it and get called childish. As you can see, I'm still a kid, hehe 😋. Anyway, bOppY, I'm sure you don't really understand the trends nowadays since you'll be growing grey hair soon, but I'll be kind enough to fill you in. The things you old people used to see as disgusting, people now praise. Porn isn't on that list. It's still disgusting. Maybe when I get older, I'll finally see the day when people accept porn, but by then... you'll already be dead, gramps. So next time, please do not derail the conversation to a topic you clearly are uneducated on.

[MrCon10t]

There's no need to be rude in this conversation.

[Boppy]

Well, congrats for both bringing the conversation back on track and insulting me, most chose one or the other. I disagree that an opinion held by the majority of people is correct, both growing up, in the present, and in ten years when I'll be a silver fox. I think that it's important to know the reasons why something is helpful or hurtful and consider for myself whether it's worthwhile. For example, I enjoyed anime growing up despite its stigma because I saw some really meaningful shows. I assumed the stigma was still around, but if it's not, then that's cool but my point didn't make much sense. Anyways, I think that if anyone can find an estimate of the number of sex trafficking victims, it'd help everyone in the thread see a fuller picture (I'll look later, just setting off, my bad).

[LesterJester]

I'm obsessively talking about erotica am I? I was merely pointing out your own hypocrisy towards porn in general, but it's irrelevant since I brought the conversation right back to your claim about sex trafficking in porn videos. Instead of refocusing and backing up your claims, you only focus back on the erotica and ignore everything else... So who's the one obsessed? Not I. Either way, I'm done with this. I got better things to waste my time over.

[QueenTanya]

@Boppy @MrCon10t you know what? You two are right. I should've never been rude about it, I'm sorry. However, my point still stands. Studies do show that pornography and human trafficking are linked but I couldn't find any specific statistics aside from the general broad ones. It's so undercover and there's a lot of covering up and lies that are told. Human trafficking is hidden in plain sight, that's why it's so hard to find out exactly who is involved. You know sex trafficking for high school girls has increased because there are 500,000 searches daily on porn sights for "teen girls." Which makes them a target because supply = demand. These disgusting people wanna see more teen girls and that's what they're gonna get, because it's only about the money. Those 500,000 searches have tripled from 2005-2013. It hasn't gone down. The industry is corrupt, it makes me sick. When people watch it, it shows their support for it. These porn sites count their searches, they see it going up, and they need to lure more women and men into it. People's fantasies start getting more twisted, and the porn industry just satisfies it all. Yet we all just turn a blind eye - it isn't right. It's immoral.

[Boppy]

@QueenTanya Props for being so chill. Now, going off the supply and demand scenario you mentioned, I think that written/drawn stuff may be making the best of a vague situation. Though the exact relationship between porn consumption and sex trafficking isn't easily measured, if both notably cause the other (porn preferences decide the demographics of victims and the profits to be had & people who are exposed to a lot of a genre are likely to seek out more of the same genre) then the situation you're describing makes sense. Personally, even in grim situations, I like to go off data and especially do things that are proven to have an impact on the problem. For now, if you prefer to boycott porn to protect potential victims, perhaps we can use the second mechanism: "& people who are exposed to a lot of a genre are likely to seek out more of the same genre." By reading erotica or viewing drawn porn, people can support industries that compete with acted porn videos. I suppose if you see all sexual content as a corrupting influence on the consumer, though, I don't know any selling points for written/drawn stuff.

[QueenTanya]

@Boppy Mhm, I consider written/drawn erotica better than original pornographic videos mainly because it takes away any chance that someone was a victim in the making of that. I find it hard to see how people can get off on stuff like that, like how do you know that girl you just jerked off to wasn't actually getting raped?

[joeK1ng]

Depends on so much- it definitely has been shown to have negative neurological and psychological effects so the harm it does to mental health, especially men's, is not inconsequential. It is also addictive. Despite consent implied by contacts, there is a lot of abuse and exploitation in the industry- a term reflecting it's really about business and not one that really protects it's workers well. It also makes us more willing to lower our standards of things like modesty in general- and I don't mean just covering up, but the idea that people have less shame which actually is a really important sociological trait. Finally, porn usually has rather mysogonistic content which creates warped ideas of masculinity and femininity as well as the relation between power and sex in society as a whole.

On the other hand, it can be liberating and fun for actual consenting adults to b both be in and watch...

[JackSmy]

NO. State your argument, and make a point! Don't just post a BS question without an opinion!
Let's chat, if you have a legitimate point.

[nerms123]

No it’s immortal

[PinkMichae]

Only to those who are uncomfortable with it. I personally have have no issue with it.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

No, neither is sex before marriage

[DLFisherman]

Most of it... No is not immoral in my opinion. The models are being paid and they are doing everything with full disclosure and consent. I would rather people engage their freaker/kinkier sides safely in private. These religious groups that shame people for porn are the biggest hypocrites.

[Pamina]

Not inherently, but more often than not it sure is.

[lrichl]

No, unless they are being forced to do it.

[arabgoddess]

I've wondered that myself.

[QueenTanya]

It is immoral.

[arabgoddess]

Thoughts so in a way