Do you think revenge porn should be handled differently?

[MrShaun]

I believe strongly in the protection of one's rights, but I see a big problem with revenge porn laws and how one is arraigned or accused of posting someone's intimate photos without their prior permission.

The point of my thoughts is that if a jilted ex wanted to get revenge on HER PREVIOUS GUY, could she not produce intimate photos, create a fake account on the net and upload such photos using proxy servers? There wouldn't be a way of determining who actually posted the photos and the assumption is immediately shifted to the ex-boyfriend.

As another thought, could off-shore servers be used, creating a loophole in the law, unable to prosecute whomever uploaded such photos?

Maybe the best way to handle revenge porn, is simply not tying up the courts with such prosecution and suggestion people think better when providing such photos or video.

What's your thoughts?

[something_memorable]

My thoughts are no to pretty much everything you said. In a criminal trial the defendant is innocent until proven guilty, and in these kinds of cases one is not punished unless it can be shown that the pictures or videos were uploaded against someone will, by the perpetrator.

They can trace back uploads to the IP adress. To get around them finding out who exactly the photos came from itd take some next level hacker shit. If you want revenge on someone that bad and you have the tools and skills to do said hacker shit, congratulations you hurt someone and probably got away with it.

But for every other instance of this crime (and it is a serious crime) it will go through the appropriate channels and assholes who do it will be sentenced, hopefully to the full extent of the law.

[MrShaun]

I appreciate your comments s_m. Is it your position that, within our society, one is really innocent until proven otherwise? There are far too many examples where that hasn't been the case at all. As far as hiding one's true identity, it really isn't that difficult at all. Rerouting a signal through a few high autonomy servers, especially off-shore and the possibility of tracking it back becomes highly compromised. I think what I understand you to say is that you'll like any perpetrator to be prosecuted to the maximum extent. I just question the ability to do so, and do it fairly.

[something_memorable]

I dont know what "high autonomy servers" are. If thats a term most people know and use than egg on my face i guess, but otherwise you're really underlining my point. Who is realistically going to be able to use offshore accounts and whatever other dark web geek speak, just to show their ex's tits on pornhub? Theyre probably going to use their phone, maybe make a fake pornhub account if they're not completely oblivious, and in the end find out that thats not enough to keep the police who are a trained to find people online from figuring out exactly who sent what. I get being skeptical of the justice system, and that's fine, but not to the extent where you suggest just letting people not go to trial and get away with it.

[MrShaun]

I appreciate the response. Proxy servers can be more or less hidden by how they're set up. I appreciate you didn't know that, but it's quite common place for many people on the net. That is, it doesn't take a computer genius to use such abilities. Yes, there are those who will post without such knowledge and be more easily caught, but there then becomes many more that are accused and completely innocent.

[something_memorable]

When you say "many more" do have any reliable sources that show this actually happens?

[MrShaun]

Probably the best list is maintained by The Innocence Project. There's a wiki that lists wrongful convictions, and can be individually verified. You can see the breakdown here...

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

Be prepared, though. The listings are huge and growing considerably with the improvements of DNA evidence.

[something_memorable]

There were over 90,000 criminal trials in america in just 2019 alone. And your wikipedia article lists 20 exonerations in the entire last decade. I dont mean to sound accusatory, but i sense ulterior motives for picking "being framed for revenge porn" of all subjects to highlight wrongful convictions. Not wrongful murder convictions where innocent people were given the death penalty or anything, but people supposedly being framed for revenge porn by spiteful women. Its creepy that you think this happens enough to warrant serious concern.

[MrShaun]

So you're actually claiming that posting such images is not a serious crime?

[something_memorable]

So you actually can't read?😒 no, revenge porn is a serious crime, and so is trying to frame someone for revenge porn. You haven't demonstrated anything to suggest that the framing actually happens at a rate that should warrant special consideration. So to your orignial question, NO. End of discussion

[Liz_thorne]

That logic could be applied to almost every law. I don't want to sound rude, but it's bullshit.

[MrShaun]

How so? Is there really anything wrong with suggesting that if you're willing to have the photo (s), you should be willing to have them shared?

[Liz_thorne]

Yes it is. People are allowed to have privacy and they're allowed to do things in private that they don't want to be public. If they did not consent to have their pictures shared, whoever violated that consent should be prosecuted.

[InfobotsMom]

I think that the prosecution of revenge porn offences should be pursued as with other crimes, regardless of possible methods of subverting justice. If we only prosecuted crimes that were watertight we'd effectively sanction every crime up to and including murder. There is always a way to try and avoid justice, it's the job of the police and the courts to deal with that. If miscarriages of justice occur then they face the same scrutiny and processes as those of any other types of crime.

[normalice]

If someone suspects their partner to be the sort to post revenge porn, they likely wouldn't be dating them in the first place. There can be no nonmalicious justification for revenge porn. And while it's true there are sneaky ways to upload it, no one uses them because bragging about it is how it becomes revenge.

[MrShaun]

Many people may not suspect their partner of using such photos against them. Maybe there's where better education comes into play. And without question, many people don't want their identity PROVEN. Using proxy servers are quite easy and accessible.

[normalice]

You can't brag to your friends by proxy..

[MrShaun]

Who suggested they wanted to brag to their friends? That's a big assumption on your part.

[normalice]

It hardly serves as revenge porn if no one knows who is in it.

[MrShaun]

Revenge porn takes a lot of different forms. But posting the info doesn't provide the perpetrator.

[normalice]

I understand you really want to float the idea that men are the victims in all of this, but it just doesn't work.

[MrShaun]

Nothing could be farther from the truth. First, I highly disagree that men want credit for their actions. I would suggest moist posters do NOT want to be known for their actions. Secondly, and back to my original post, I guarantee there are ways of posting on the net and not be easily traced in any way. THEREFORE, one cannot argue that women are anymore a victim of that of a man.

[normalice]

You clearly have some weird Russian agenda..

[MrShaun]

Russia? What does that have to do with anything?

[normalice]

Oh, you know. Your agenda to make men feel like a victim to somehow turn them against progressive policy. That's a standard Russian propaganda strategy, implying you are either a Russian troll or so influenced by them it makes no difference.

[MrShaun]

You sure you're not confusing Russia with Uruguay 😕? I. E. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Yes, men can be as much the victim, if not more, when it comes to this subject.

[normalice]

Completely sure. Even blaming other random countries is a classic Russian propaganda thing. First time I heard Uruguay mentioned, though..

[MrShaun]

I. E. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

[normalice]

I know russian trolls want all accusations of trolling to be automatically perceived as ridiculous, because that makes their job easier. So, again, either that's what you're doing or that's what you've been heavily influenced by.

[Anonymous]

It has to be proved who leaked/posted the photos before charges can be laid tho.

[MrShaun]

What about all those sexual related crimes which have been prosecuted and actually found guilty, just to have the verdict overturned with new evidence?

[Opinion Owner]

This isn't a he said she said situation. There has to be some evidence of who posted the pics , and with technology it's very easy to do.

[MrShaun]

Your suggestion implies that innocent people aren't incarcerated. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Innocence Project is currently bombarded with people now being proved innocent, thankfully, through DNA evidence.

Sincerely, read this... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_Project

I'd like to know whether you really belive people are not found guilty without absolute proof.