Saying you love em to get what you want is a form of persuasion and seduction. Its not your fault if they believe it. Its wrong but its not rape. Rape to me is when someone says stop and you force yourself upon them. Thats why I don't know if what happened to me was just being taken advantage of or not. Because he said “im just gonna stick the tip.” I said okay in a way. He then proceeded to force everything in. I said stop. He kept saying “shhh shhh, lemme just get one stroke.” I didn't try to push him off me right then. I mean is it rape if i consented the tip but he did more? It doesn't feel like rape. But at the same time i said STOP and he shushed me. I didn't try to push him off me until after a while of saying STOP IT HURTS. So yea I don't know i confused my dang self 🤷♀️
Yeah. I totally get it.
This one's a toughie U gave him permission to put the tip in: that's consent He put the the whole thing in and u told him to stop but he continued: that's rape If u kept quiet and didn't try to push him off then that can be seen as a form of consent BUT If u were saying stop repeatedly and then finally pushed him off after a while then that's definitely rape I personally think it was rape (consent can be given and taken away at any time)
@Rippersavage it prob was. But i was young dumb and loved him. Its over with now... hopefully never happens again
Oh no. Each individual is responsible for their own choices. If you choose to have sex with someone based on something they said, it's your choice, and you better take full responsibility for it. I believe this notion is a way of diminishing women, making them not fully responsible for their own choices, and hence not being capable adults.
I disagree, but ok
not really, it is a form of manipulation, and very misleading but it isn't forcing them to sleep with you, if you were to demand then overpower them physically and mentally and instill fear into their minds that if they didn't something bad will happen then sure that would be in that kind of class of sexual, physical and/or mental assault, but if you lied to someone to get your own way, and didn't force them to do anything nor imply anything bad would happen if they didn't... that they were just misled into having sex that is just sexual manipulation, coersion even... but rape no.
it's only rape if the victim does not have a choice... and was overpowered and forced against their will
Forcing someone through fear is still rape
which is what i was saying, but lying to them isn't, still morally wrong but lying to someone isn't rape... only forcing someone whether it is physically or mentally by fear is rape
No. Rape is to take by force, that is not taking by force that is taking what is being freely offered. Is it sleazy? Yes, but then so is dating some one because of their wealth or position or purely for their looks or what have you. None of these are rape so why would this be different? Further more that is up to the individual to determine the validity of their statement by analyzing their actions. Its no different then when I buy a product, they are trying to sell me something, I need to make sure its what I want. That's why you don't give sex so freely, its your currency make sure what your buying is worth it.
The people I’m thinking about did not give sex freely. One was a virgin. The other had only slept with two guys, both serious boyfriends.
Again it was not rape because it was given freely. As stated I am not endorsing that behavior at all (I think its a shitty thing to do and those people do not deserve to be with people who love them (those who lie and manipulate others for selfish gain), but that is not rape. Just because we don't like it doesn't mean we can claim its something more sever then what it is. If some one punches me in the face is it murder? No because I am not dead and they did not have that intention, same goes for this its a shitty thing to do but its not rape and its irresponsible and quite frankly demeans the meaning of the word rape. To compare being conned with being violently violated is not fair to those who have actually been raped so its not a term/accusation that should be thrown around lightly.
I've been both
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!I suppose it would depend on how far you are asking the person to go. Loving someone is part trust so by saying you feel that way when you don’t is a deception. Not really cool to do
No it's a form of brain washing. Reason being by them saying they love you over and over. Then over time u start 2 believe them. That's when they got u. Meaning u will do anything for them. Weather is being sex or getting something they want. Just remember the 3 most abused words in the world are " I LOVE YOU". By them saying it over and over. It starts 2 imprint the mind in 2 thinking that they really do love u. That's when u start 2 believe. Next that got u doing anything they want.
Yeah
I would say it's a form of mind or emotional rape, but not physical.
It's not right to lie to someone just so they'll do what you want. And it will harm someone's emotions, but they weren't physically harmed or physically forced. I'm sorry tho, that people do this and even sorrier that a lot of times the only one who ends up being hurt is the person lied to or coerced, not the person who does this. They'll just be on to the next
"victim" .
Exactly!!!
Its more a moral issue. And unfortunately lack of morals isn't punishable by law, or there'd be jails full everywhere
No because that person still had freedom of choice, the fact that it is manipulation is there but still that person had the freedom to make the choice of doing that thing or not, the fact then they are too stupid for their own good is on them not the person who is doing the manipulation.
However when you stand back from it then yes it is abuse although mental but it cannot ever be rape so let's not conflate one thing with another because if everything becomes rape then rape itself becomes meaningless
I was all prepared to say it is low and I curry see but not coercive...
But I think you raised a really interesting point.. I think the invalid consent is quite an interesting Angle to look at it from.
I wonder if in 500 years from now , lying to get Sex will hold up in court.
I'm going to go think about your question. 😊
Awesome :-)
I know I always say things like “a person should only have sex if they really want sex and it is not contingent on extraneous Detail.. and that if everything they assume was true was actually not true, that they would want it anyhow- Bc people DO lie. And this way you can’t possibly be taken advantage of or made to feel guilty or regretful for having had sex... But Obviously this isn’t how it happens most often in life , Bc people are not machines, and you really can’t decide if everything was different you’d feel the sane. It’s nonsense really. I mean it’s a logical strategy if people did not actually engage in relationships That have a human impact, which obviously they do. and it is interesting to me- which your point alerted me to- how accepting I am that lying is just a huge part of life that we just need to be wary of and are basically powerless over. What if it wasn’t accepted. It’s interesting Bc it has been made illegal in certain capacities. Like lying about money or lying to Client or lying in court lying in school lying purchasing alcohol or lying to get into a PLACE you are not meant to be.. but not lying to get into a PERSON lol Lying can get you in trouble in many instances. But not in the case of an act that can caste STDs it accidental pregnancy and of course emotional trauma and social stigma. It’s interesting. How easily it is taken for granted.
How easily I expect it. how easily people do it without any thought. I’ll think on it lol thanks! ☺️♥️
I don't think it's rape but it is manipulation and immoral.
Its sexual manipulation and if they wouldn't do anything sexual without the whole love aspect then yes I do believe it's rapey.
Totally agree
I have to agree if someone lies to you to get sex, it is wrong. Is it rape? Maybe from a philosophical standpoint, YES.
But if you consent to have sex even if the person is lying, it is not rape.
Sex can be such. A buitful thing when you know the night you took your girl out drinking and left it in too long have great time in the sack and she calls you at work and tell s you you are going to be a dad, happy and scared in the same sentence is wered but have a son is awesome and a baby is a crazy buitful. Thing... Then on the other hand rape , cheating in a relationship is so hurtful and. Fuck s everyones life and some times y2 get fuck ed at the drive the dive thou9 window and that's that every body get fuck in the A at some point in life by some one or something. 😳
I think it's a form of manipulation 100%. Is it rape? No. At least not in my opinion of course.
Rape implies that someone has had sex with them without consent. In this scenario there is consent, it's just built of a lie. Is it any less unacceptable than rape? No, its still very wrong.
Very true
Fraud in the inducement vitiates consent, if the fraudulent misrepresentation was material in obtaining the consent.
If I tell a girl that I am a millionaire, we have sex, and she then claims that she would not have had sex with me if she knew that I was not a millionaire, most jurors would laugh at her and that potential claim is dead on arrival.
However, if I tell a girl that I have recently tested negative for STDs, we have sex, and in fact I gave her genital herpes, I am in a heap of trouble.
What about telling her you love her when you really don't have feelings for her?
I think that someone doing that is so clearly wrong but I would have the question of whether the girl should have known that the guy was not being sincere. It is obviously different from rape so I would not want to group those two offenses together, but I would not excuse that behavior, either.
Thank you
I think this probably applies its deception isn't.
I don't know. It is fraud...
No. Just another attempt at manipulation to get what someone wants.
If we went by this rule every guy I've been with raped me
Ah...
If not rape, definitely a scumbag thing to do
Totally
I don't think so.
The sex or any sexual stuff is still happening with the consent of both partners.
Its not great to be treated this way but still doesn't qualify as rape in my opinion based on the textbook definition of rape.
I don’t know that I would go as far as calling it rape, but it’s close. Lying to someone to get them to do something they wouldn’t do otherwise, especially if it’s something sexual, is immoral and hurtful. If you have to lie to them to get them to sleep with you, I find it hard to believe you actually love them.
Exactly!
I would consider it rape by deception, yes.
There are countries where rape by deception is becoming a law, but we are still far from it becoming the norm.
Thanks
In India But at the same time, it's not the man's fault that the girl couldn't control her horniness
I think the concept of rape should be the next thing we "de-binarize." It is no longer a yes or no. There is yes. There is no. But there is also a whole lot of "sort of." This is one of those.
You make a very good point
Not really rape. So no.
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