How do you feel about the metro movement?

teddybearsama Xper 3

Would you rather a (girl/guy) who was sexually assaulted/raped tell a detective and they get asked what they are wearing and why was they with them etc

Or would you rather a (girl/boy) who been hurt sexually assaulted or raped not get called a liar for coming out and trying get help. And these criminals actually go to jail

Me: I would rather people actually take evidence and not accuse girls or lying all the time and actually try to case evidence before assuming.

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worldscolide Master
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I'm very much a due process kind of guy. Question both, but always presume innocence until the evidence says otherwise.. And no an accusation is not evidence.

And believe it or not asking questions like what were you wearing is part of investigation, it sets the scene.. Chances are the next question will be what was he wearing..
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- worldscolide
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  The problem with the #metoo movement is the majority of the people in it are also the #believewomen and #yesallmen type. They want to eliminate due process and destroy the foundation of our legal system.
- teddybearsama
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  It's funny how one person says one stupid thing and you group a good bunch of people with that. One persons stupid phrase even some women rape people. What that person was trying say is to believe everyone at first until proven other wise. It's like reporting your mom got kidnapped but you have no pictures of your mom and the cop like well show us your mom. Well she has no pictures so she apparently doesn't exist. Or u can have whole fucking picture of your mom and video of her crying for help. And they'll say well we need DNA so this isn't enough evidence to help her.
- teddybearsama
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  It's logic you can't believe all of anything. But you should believe people at the start until proven serious hardcore proof they are lying
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- worldscolide
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  With the believe every one first until proven otherwise attitude like you're saying here, completely destroys presumption of innocence.. That's what I have issue with.. Treat the accuser with respect, sure, but under no circumstances do you violate presumption of innocence.. What you suggest is guilty until proven innocent. Which is evil, wrong, and a violation of our Constitution.
- worldscolide
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  And presumption of innocence is logical..
- teddybearsama
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  You don't have to step on anyone's toes you can believe both of them at the same time and actually try to do something about it. The cops and detective must treat both rightly. But doesn't mean she has treat her rapist like he never did anything And the public can do whatever they want to him or her on either side. The presumption of all people are lying is just as worse Honestly I'd rather be safe then sorry
- teddybearsama
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  Even proven other wise guys are still getting off by this stupid accusation that all women are lying even with pure evidence and I find this so funny. How the media has made rape not a crime anymore
- worldscolide
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  So you're saying you would rather see an innocent man jailed than see a guilty man walk?
- teddybearsama
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  I'd rather see an person with even the littlest evidence be in jail. Then a Monster walking the streets.
- teddybearsama
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  I'm not talking about (word cases) I'm talking evidence Cases that aren't being handled
- worldscolide
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  That's not how our justice system works, you're in law enforcement you should know that.. If there isn't enough evidence to bring trial than there shouldn't be a trial.. If there is not enough evidence to convict then there should be no conviction.. Based on what you're saying, an accusation should be enough to convict which is bullshit.. I'd rather see 100 guilty men walk free than imprison a single innocent man.. And our founding fathers felt the same, it's why our constitution was drafted the way it was, where presumption of innocence is at its heart.. If you don't support that ideal you have no business in law enforcement.. A poloce officers job number 1 is to uphold the constitution..
- teddybearsama
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  I never said anything about words and accusations you keep bring them up. I'm talking pure fucking evidence. And this is the reason rape is basically legal cause guys like you.
- worldscolide
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  Rape is legal? Wow just wow.. No it's not legal.. Not even slightly.. Wtf is wrong with you.. Take your feminist ideals elsewhere..
- teddybearsama
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  Now I'm a feminist because I want rapist to be punished for what they did makes sense. Rape is clearly legal since anyone can do it and get away with it. And that's fine with people like you
- worldscolide
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  Not in the US they can't.. A simple accusation can land a man in prison for years.. Take a look at emmit till.. If you want I can link articles.. Holy hell you're ignorant.. Maybe you should return to grade school.. College is obviously not for you..
- worldscolide
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  I want rapists punished too.. When proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and convicted by a jury of their peers.. Only then should there be punishment..
- teddybearsama
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  And yet that isn't even happening because all women are seen as liars. Cases are being dropped And accusations shouldn't been the sole decision on an case and I never said it should. You keep talking about words and accusations. You must feel guilty about something cause you keep bring these ups when I'm not even talking about them.
- teddybearsama
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  I'm in the USA. From texas And I have reported a sexual assault. And they asked what I was wearing and why did I go back to him. By the way I even have his confession blunty confessing what he did to Me. I even have him through text saying sorry and everything. A FULL FUCK CONFESSION THAT SAYS I tried to rape her. And the detectives dropped the case You can even say you raped someone and get away with it apparently especially since I was 16 a minor at that time XD you can rape all the little kids u want apparently. And nothing should be done right. Because all women are liars even with evidence even if he says he did it one time. He can just change his mind and all sudden he didn't do it. Basically never said anything about word cases. Even cases with proof aren't getting handled so
- worldscolide
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  Logical fallacy.. When you gather meaning from something that doesn't exist.. I'm speaking of the apparent guilt I have had.. Which I don't.. I'm sorry your situation was mishandled.. It shouldn't have been.. But until you stop pushing toward eliminating due process you will not have my support.. I'm done talking to you.. Like a typical woman. You only read and interpret what you want to see, and not the facts..
- teddybearsama
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  I'm not apart the metoo movement sweetheart thank you very much. But I am not gonna pretend that the opposite side is right either. Women are still getting raped and hurt and cases are being dropped for the hell of it.
- worldscolide
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  The fact that you said what you said "hopefully someone fu KS you in the ass" seriously it shows a staggering lack of maturity, and shows that you're not capible of logical rational thought... Guess what you ignorant stupid little idiot child... I was raped as a child by my father.. It happened to me DAILY until I was 4 fucking years old. So don't you tell me. Bullshit like that. I have been through things that would leave you haveing nightmares for the rest of your life.. So yes I have been there, done that, written the book you little ignorant fucking child.. Now sit down, shut the fuck up, and grow up..
- teddybearsama
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  Yep but all women act the same and should be grouped together very mature. I can't read anything else you say I'll lose some braincells im done
- worldscolide
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  Ugh.. So sad..
normalice Master
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Rape is probably the most difficult crimes to investigate. But that's not an excuse to not do it.
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OlderAndWiser Editor
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Have you ever prosecuted a sexual assault case?
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- teddybearsama
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  No but I'm in law enforcement class and no the rules. I also know that cases are being slaughtered without real reputation
- OlderAndWiser
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  Why would a detective ask about a victim's clothing?
- teddybearsama
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  They always do
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- OlderAndWiser
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  That did not answer my question.
- teddybearsama
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  Sorry when you're asking what type of underwear where you wearing. That crosses a line. Even if you was wearing fancy ones doesn't mean you wanted to have sex. They ask about clothes for good reason but everything else is just plan stupid.
- teddybearsama
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  What was he wearing huh? They never ask that if they actually wanted to ask questions to get an idea of the scene
- teddybearsama
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  So don't pretend and belittle peoples experience many people go through this Thank you very much
- OlderAndWiser
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  You "no" the rules? Despite your belief that you know everything that needs to be known - because, after all, you are 19 and enrolled in a law enforcement class at the local college - you really don't know much of anything on this subject. Clothing is important to he prosecution because it may contain semen which can be DNA tested. Clothing may also show signs of resistance and a struggle. If the victim was not wearing suggestive or revealing clothing, the best evidence the prosecution can offer is not the victim's testimony but the actual clothing so a detective should collect those items to preserve as evidence. Is there anything else about which you need to educate me?
- teddybearsama
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  By the way they just fucking collect the clothes you was wearing. And ask u the colors and details about it. :^} they don't ask to find DNA they should already know what you was wearing when the get it off your raped body You really don't know much on the topic lmao. They take the shit up and investigate it. No need to intergrate people on evidence and clothing you already have that u can analyze. Not talk about how small it is and the length.
- OlderAndWiser
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  I am so thankful that there is a 19 year old who "no's" everything! I've been practicing law for 34 years and you can't even spell! Everything you know on this subject is something you heard on FB! All you know is a few stereotypes and cliches. Call me 10 years from now when perhaps you will have started to actually learn about the real world. Goodbye!
- worldscolide
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  @olderandwiser I need to report a comment on my thread Mr moderator sir She said this "Like a typical "you" cause I don't group males or genders cause that's stupid unlike you. You're pretty stupid and thinking you know everything but hopefully someone fucks you in the ass and you see the other side of the story" Seems like a violation..
- teddybearsama
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  I'm pretty sure he can see the whole thing you know. And I don't care you simply called me names for being female so you must be able to take punches back. So u can cry its beautiful
- worldscolide
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  Rape threats are what you did..
- teddybearsama
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  And now you're upset and saying that I said I know everything. When your name is literally older and wiser your age has nothing to do with what you pick up. Lmao your ears and heart do. And simply what u said was wrong lmao no need to get bad haha
- teddybearsama
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  Mad*
- teddybearsama
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  It wasn't a threat lmao I said hopefully someone does. If I wanted to threaten you I would said I'm gonna hurt you straight up lmao poor salty guy
- worldscolide
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  You must be having issues with English this is comical
- teddybearsama
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  I have issues with typing fast and auto correct but thanks For your concern I'm seriously done listening to you. Crying that you don't like others opinion.
- OlderAndWiser
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  The fact that your case MAY have been mishandled (all we have heard is your side of the story) does not mean that rape is legal, that no one goes to prison, and that the rules for prosecuting these cases need to be changed. Everything is not about you!
- teddybearsama
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  Sorry that you just like rapist to get away with things and the people who have been mishandled are trying change that. Protest on my protest all you want. But there should be nothing wrong with a female who wants a change in the rape/assault cases for better be a negative and triggering thing for you. It doesn't affect you And it helps other people that's the problem with you people.
- OlderAndWiser
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  "Sorry that you just like rapist to get away with things and the people who have been mishandled are trying change that." Absolute lie and you know it! I never suggested anything like that! "Protest on my protest all you want." Thank you for agreeing to freedom of speech! "But there should be nothing wrong with a female who wants a change in the rape/assault cases for better be a negative. . ." Your opinion of what might be better is EXTREMELY biased! "and triggering thing for you. It doesn't affect you" Laws concerning rape prosecutions are a concern for all men because we all could potentially be a victim of false accusations!
- OlderAndWiser
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  Goodbye!
wankiam Master
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dont know what any of that has to do with the paris underground but i think you will find that whatever the outcome of a trial by media its only that due process applied by law courts that matters and im happy to leave it to them to sort out
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- teddybearsama
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  Paris what lol?
- wankiam
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  you wrote metro instead of #metoo... this is the metro
- teddybearsama
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  Oh lol yep it auto corrected
R4vedave Yoda
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Don't blindly dismiss accusers, everyone needs to be heard and have their claims given legitimate attention, but you also can't blindly believe them all either. There always needs to be reasonable doubt to a certain degree.
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- teddybearsama
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  Even with evidence cases are being ignored and dropped
- R4vedave
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  Yup, and that's a problem.
bangyourhead Guru
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First - I'm going to propose that the "what were you wearing" trope doesn't nearly happen as much as it's reported. Most police officers are actually concerned with finding criminals.

Second - if a person is innocent until proven guilty - that's NOT calling the person making the accusation a liar. That's following standard legal proceedings.
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- teddybearsama
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  It does nearly happen and just cause it doesn't happen to even more people doesn't mean we don't need do something about it. And second it should be both ways. If their proven guilty why not continue the case instead just accuse women right off.
- bangyourhead
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  I'll bet it rarely happens that women are asked what they're wearing. Approaching zero. Your second sentence doesn't even make sense. What does 'continue the case' even mean?
- teddybearsama
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  They drop the case without continuing the case. It doesn't rarely happen it's not rare anymore it's 2020. It's so normal you'll be lucky to actually convict someone of rape even with evidence
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- bangyourhead
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  Well yeah. Because at the end of the day, a lot of rape cases come down to one person's word against another's. The physical evidence of consensual sex is the exact same as the physical evidence of a rape (especially in a date-rape scenarios). I know in this fantasy world we bring rapists to judgment but it's a lot harder than "believe all women!"
- teddybearsama
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  Even with physical cases rapes kits and everything. Never get solved and dropped
- bangyourhead
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  for sure, rape kits should be tested in a timely manner. What is the % of unsolved rapes vs. unsolved other crimes?
- teddybearsama
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  And no there marks and blood sometimes involved and struggling way different from consensual sex and still nothing is done
- bangyourhead
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  Like when?
- teddybearsama
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  All the time lmao.
- bangyourhead
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  That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
- teddybearsama
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  Even with evidence still dismissed. :) but we still don't care as society we just like oh poor males getting accused. Not all rape and sexual assault is based on he said she said. Their sometimes physical proof that nothing is done about
- bangyourhead
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  I'm referring to your claim that it happens 'all the time'. And to say 'we don't care as a society' is just stupid and factually incorrect. I never said none have evidence. I said 'a lot'. 45 percent of sexual assaults are committed by an acquaintance and an additional 25 percent by a current or former intimate partner. That's 70% of them are committed by people the victim knows. and in those cases, a majority of times there's not evidence of a struggle.
- teddybearsama
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  I don't know either way your opinion won't change and you won't care until it's your ass getting fucked. So I'll just give up.
- bangyourhead
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  I'm asking you to provide evidence of what you're claiming. I have agreed with you on a number of points. Police should be taking all rape cases seriously, and should be testing all rape kits. I want police to focus less on things like busting people for smoking pot or having a taillight out so they can focus on real crime. I want rapists who are convicted to get jail time. What you want is for me to throw out our standards of justice because you make unfounded claims.
- teddybearsama
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  No I want people yo stop acting like everything perfect in the topic about rape and sexual assault and actually do something about it. Anti me too and pro me too Are stupid moments at the end women and man are still getting raped without any justice with proof and evidence I don't care about words (accusations) does case shouldn't be heard or processed But when their evidence we should do something but we don't anymore. And that's an issue people refuse to admit and fucking hate most of society for it.
- bangyourhead
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  You're simply saying things that aren't true and don't reflect reality.
- teddybearsama
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  Just because they aren't your reality doesn't mean they aren't other people's reality.
- bangyourhead
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  You've offered no proof that it's reality.
- teddybearsama
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  Proof has been offered and lmao it been ignored. And still Is and that's the issue
- bangyourhead
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  You typing things as if they're true doesn't constitute proof.
dthomas89 Xper 7
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I think it's stupid to say "what were they wearing" has nothing to do with that
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COMMODOREII Master
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I agree with you.
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KrakenAttackin Master
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What the hell are you talking about?
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Hyper2 Xper 5
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The " what were you wearing " is a standard question for almost every crime reported in order to identify suspects and accusers. When a case comes to court , the prosecutors have to paint a picture for the entire crime scene , every detail down to the direction the person was standing has to be laid out.

Looks it's difficult, most of these cases are he said/she said without any sort of hard evidence. When sending someone to jail for 10-20 years, you have to be 100% sure.
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- teddybearsama
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  Yeah everything you said is true. But that's not what I'm talking about lol.
- KrakenAttackin
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  Yeah, so WTF are you talking about?
Plitty-Tank Yoda
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I don't like it but won't stop it.
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