Most people don't actually need to be in love with someone to sleep with them, but that's a really good point.
Right on, bro!
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Well, two of them (#3 and #5) have had bottom surgery, so they both have female genitalia now.
I'm failing to understand why you have so much disdain for people who aren't hurting anyone.
His disdain is understandable. I don't know HIS motivation, but I say people ARE being hurt. The medical professionals treating these men are the only ones I've anything against. They are mentally ill and need non-physical treatment.They will never be women, and post-op they are still killing themselves. Why torment them? Why make them go through the ultimate disappointment? It's very sad.
If you were to ask them, the overwhelming majority of trans-women would say their lives changed for the better when they transitioned. The only "trans-women" I think are suffering from a mental illness are the ones who refer to themselves as "lesbian trans-women," but those aren't even trans-women; autogynephiles are actually heterosexual men with a paraphilia. People far too often confuse autogynephiles and trans-women; they actually have very little in common with each other.
They are men dude. It can't be fully changed. Most of the difference is in the brain, but in every cell of their bodies (except for sperm cells) is the evidence of their masculinity. I'm only going by data on suicide rates long-term. The truth is that many of these cases are cases of mistreatment. In what way is this mentally healthy? If I said I was a bison rather than a human, that would be a view inconsistent with generally accepted reality. Opinions are different from delusions. Schizophrenics aren't showing symptoms because they doubt certain studies on the affect of pesticides in the ladybug population. They are put into institutions because of their dysphoric view of reality.Body dysmorphia is a delusional disorder and I have the utmost sympathy for sufferers. What do you think of trans kids?
Gender and species are apples & oranges. However, there is evidence of transgenderism in the animal kingdom, but we're the only species with any kind of an intellect -- so it doesn't really matter. Trans-women aren't claiming they're cis-women, and yes, there is a difference. However, when the biological sex debate becomes a topic, people are often unaware of the physical changes that take place in trans-women undergoing HRT. What do we use as the gatekeeper for biological sex when trans-women on HRT usually have MORE female hormones in their bodies than cis-women? When dealing with this issue as a society, social forms of science are the most relevant. Do any of the trans-women in those photos look like people you'd be hanging out and playing football with? Do they look like someone that will be marrying your sister? Could you see them working as bouncers? It's pretty clear that a female role in society is the only thing that makes sense for them. Body dysmorphic disorder isn't found in all trans-women, but they are more susceptible to it than cis-people; it's like white people and skin cancer. Transgender children is a complicated topic because it's difficult to know if someone is really transgender at a young age. I think they should at least wait until they're in their teenage years to start the transition process.
Responsible policy on the kids, much respect. On the other front, it's okay that you're attracted toward men. Just be honest about it, it's the better way. What do you think @MackToday?
Attracted to men? I'm not attracted to men at all. If someone wants a man, they're going to be interested in someone who likes me, not someone with breasts and a bunch of estrogen in their body. We like women because of certain physical characteristics they have, not because chromosomes are hot. I can say in all honesty, I've never seen a man walk up to a woman and say, "I couldn't help but notice your chromosomes from across the room, and uh, I was wondering if I could get your phone number?"
It's the effect of the genes. I don't like penises. Your turn. What about the fact they have men's voices? Or the fact that they're men?
You say "they," but you aren't referring to anyone in particular and just making a generalized statement. There are a lot of cis-women, who when compared with certain trans-women, sound "masculine." Also, not all trans-women have penises; many of them make it one of their life goals to get bottom surgery. Even if a trans-woman keeps her male genitalia, that's just one part of her body -- a part that's usually not visible anyway. I mean no offense by this, but I find it really strange that most men who swear up-and-down that it's somehow gay to like trans-women seem to narrow in on that area. That's definitely not the first on my mind when I see someone with boobs and curves; I find it odd that men who claim they're heterosexual immediately start thinking about male genitalia.
Rather, we think about and desire female genitalia and mental stability. Also I KNOW you speak English. "They" in that sentence refers to gender dysphoric men.
Your use of the word "they" was called into question because you've been overgeneralizing. I brought up the genitalia thing for a reason; I think if you're masculine, you probably don't size up a potential partner with thoughts of their junk penetrating you. I've always found it strange that (the majority of) straight-identifying (male) transphobes do that. That's not to say that there aren't trans-women who are "tops," but for the assumption to be that they're going to bang you, kind of brings your masculinity (forget sexuality) into question. This is probably going to sound like macho posturing, but I can look at myself and EASILY see the difference between me and these trans-women; we don't look or act anything alike. A man looks/acts like me -- and the trans-females in these photos are not "men." A lot of right-wingers say men are constantly being feminized, but I can think of no better way to emasculate the image of men than by placing them in the same category as hyperfeminine trans-females. I think on this issue, we'll just have to "agree to disagree." I will admit that I have a hard time believing you're being 100% genuine; you appear to have enough intellect to understand this topic, and I think you're just trying to stay within your subscribed ideology (whatever that is). In my case, my opinions are my own; much of what I believe angers both SJWs and conservatives alike -- and that's OKAY with me.
You make a bold but obviously flawed assumption. I'm not concerned with "tops" so much when I am thinking about sex with somebody who has a penis. It's the mere presence of male genitalia and lack of female genitalia that bothers me. I wouldn't shove it in a woman's asshole either.Just as you can see the difference between you and a man with tits, I can see the difference between gender dysphoric men and actual women clearly. Does a man's "vagina" self-lubricate? Does a natural woman's grow hair on the inside portion? Banging a man's armpit does not make him a woman. You call my sexuality into question based on an assumption that makes no sense whatsoever, yet you wish to have sex with biological men. Call them "feminine males" or any other label that indicates a separation from the typical man, but they aren't women.I believe you can admit that much.
It's pretty clear (to me) that you're not "keeping it 100." I don't necessarily think you're a troll, but in this particular case, you are; I think you just want to get an outraged reaction out of me. I'm not going to write a novel to respond to all the inaccurate things you said in your last reply; I've already stated my case. Have a good day.
Brilliant. You've yet to use anything but assumptions anyway.
Actually, #3 and #5 are the ones who've had bottom surgery completed. The top one is ridiculously hot, though; she seems to attract a large following (of heterosexual men) on social media.
Huh, must be tucked. #2 Has a dong that you can see. The others just look like dudes. I'm only into women, so I have a hard time seeing these guys as "hot".
I'd say "tucking" is pretty common. I don't see a bulge or anything in photo #2, but she's a pornstar who's definitely not been operated on downstairs. I have to disagree with you on any of those ladies looking like "dudes," and I'd even go so far as to say they look more feminine than the average biological woman of today. I'm certainly not into men (as I'm heterosexual), but I think they're all pretty hot.
Second from the bottom has a mexican starter pack (wisp-y stache) and the face of an auto-mechanic from a deep-south hispanic community.
I think that's just the angle of the photo that's giving you that impression. Her videos on YouTube (which I can't yet link) clearly show her face is stubble-free. Her name's Destiny Maylas, and much like the one in the top photo, she has lots of IG followers. I chatted with her a few times on FB.
Physical appearance definitely makes a big difference.
Yeah can't even tell with a couple of these.
If I may ask, which two are you referring to?
2 and 4
Yeah, they're both adorable.
If you knew, it would definitely be a deal-breaker? Remember, we're not necessarily talking about a relationship or anything of that sort, just an "intimate encounter."
Yeah, it'd be a deal breaker for me. I don't have anything against it, nor do I judge anyone it's just not for me.
At least you don't judge anyone! 👌
Two of them are post-op trans-women.
I tend to prefer Asian women, but everyone likes what they like.
True that, I seem to be the odd one out when it comes to Asians.
I have a few friends who say Asians just aren't attractive to them, so it's not unheard of.
She's very "easy on the eyes." 👍 She has a lot of good pics on her IG (@destinymaylas), and she's also a YouTuber. Back when I had Facebook/FB Messenger, I chatted with her a few times. 📨
u mean "he's"? its a guy
Two of them have had the surgery down there.
no. I'll pass too much trans thotery going on here.😂😂😂
I think the average lesbian would be all for it.
I'm actually not a lesbian😭😭😭 and i am far from avg
Oh, I get it; it seems your friend was joking around with you. haha
no he's the leader of a cult of lesbians and he's been trying to convert me with mind manipulation
Sounds like a noble enough pursuit.
Are you attracted to women? If so, why don't you find any of these trans-women physically attractive? Also, I'm a newbie here, so I really appreciate your comment.
Yes I am attracted to women. Mostly blonde and blue eyes. 🤭✌️💜
Oh, you just aren't really attracted to Asian chicks; well, we all have our own preferences.
With that being said, you really think you wouldn't be tempted? haha Thanks for commenting, man.
No, even if I was they are too young for my liking...
The oldest one is in her 40s, and you have your age listed as 54, so it would make sense that you like women a bit closer to your age.
A lot of these still have a penis. That's no good...
#3 and #5 no longer do.
Oh , that's good to know. But how can you tell. I have underwear that makes it look like you haven't a penis. So only way you can tell is to have seen them naked...
You (obviously) aren't obligated to tell me, but I do wonder why you have penis-concealing underwear; I'm guessing you didn't buy them with that being the intention. haha
Yes I'm a transgender woman, not all the time. But I got close to the op to transition. But didn't go through with it. (Wish I had) do that is why I have the underwear. It's not to hide it's to help wear some types of female clothing...
I don't mean to sound rude, but you appear to be more of a fetish crossdresser than a trans-woman.
Actually there isn't much difference in reality. That was one reason why I didn't go through with the op. No matter what I did and I made quite an impressive female. But when I looked in the mirror all I saw was a guy in a dress. The second wife said she liked it when we went out me as a woman. One of our best places to go was a gay bar. I used to meet up with a lot of her friends. Now they were really good days..
Two of them are post-op, with the other three being pre-op/non-op.
I actually think she's hot, but we do agree on the other four.
Hehe true hard not to literally :D
True! A lot of men would like not to, but it isn't like physical attraction is something people can just turn off at will. haha
Well some of them actually have nice personalities as well and pass better then women
Yeah, they tend to be very feminine in both appearance and behavior; they put a lot of effort into themselves.
Yes I consider myself very straight but they do such a good job of impersonating a woman that I feel attracted in a very genuine way to them
I think they're just being themselves; it's natural to want a look that fits your personality.
Yes true and their are so damn sexy rawr
They certainly are. 👍🏻
Call me "PC" if you like, but I wouldn't refer to them as "dudes."
Well, born a dude, always a dude.
It's not quite that simple, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Actually it is that simple unless you normalize mental illness.
It's not about normalizing "mental illness" at all; there's nothing wrong with allowing people to assume a role in life that reflects who they are inside. I think it only becomes problematic when it's done for fetishistic reasons, but most men with a crossdressing fetish don't claim to be trans-women anyway. There are some heterosexual men who claim they're "transgender lesbians," but they're a small (albeit loud) group of people.
Gender dysphoria IS a mental illness.The people who do it for fetish reasons at least don't think they are actually another sex they simply enjoy the idea of it.
Thanks for the honest input, bro.