Should pornography be made illegal?

[Anonymous]

[Sbgirl]

I don't think it necessarily needs to be banned, but I personally think we would be better off without it. Porn can become really addictive for some people, it sets unrealistic expectations of what sex is like, sets unrealistic expectations for both men and women (i. e. penis size or breast size/the notion we 'have to' shave our entire crotch), effects on libido (meaning less energy or desire to have sex with your partner), or even in some cases, people end up finding porn more stimulating than sex and that is a little sad. The most alarming thing is that it is way too accessible. It is scary how a harmless search can lead to porn videos and children have more and more access to the internet. It's the easy accessibility that I take a massive issue with.
Obviously, if banning porn stopped trafficking and child pornography, then that would be the best option. However, as long as the internet exists, it will be incredibly hard to control, and people would still find a way on the dark web as pedos do. This may actually make it more difficult to find pedos and illegal child pornography because you would suddenly have a bunch of other more harmless people to police as well. This could get in the way of finding real predators.

I wish we lived in a world where porn was like it used to be: an often laughable video tape you had to own or rent to watch. I think it is easier to keep that away from kids. Porn can exist, but I think it needs to find a way to determine the age of the viewer and not be so easily found. Disturbing and abusive videos shouldn't be allowed on porn sites and perhaps there could be a way of preventing porn addiction by setting limits of how often someone can watch it per week, etc.

[CubsterShura]

The thing is, whether or not it's illegal porn will always be out there. Child porn is illegal yet many pedophiles are openly circulating child pornography even on social media websites on the surface web, can you imagine what goes on in the deep/dark web then?

Don't get me wrong, I do believe porn shouldn't be a thing and if there was a way to ban it so that people really wouldn't be able to watch it, I'd absolutely want it to be implemented.

[alexjense]

Wtf pornography should be legal

[EthanielXzavier]

I'm curious why you think it should be banned?

[CubsterShura]

It's extremely harmful for your psychology and your libido. It's highly addictive. Porn temporarily gives you satisfaction but overtime it worsens your ability to control yourself. And not to mention the heavy exploitation of women that takes place in the adult film industry. PornHub is full of non-consensual content that they don't care to remove because they want all the money. I'm pretty sure porn has some positives, but the negatives are far greater.

[loveslongnails]

So too, alcohol "can be" highly addictive, cigarettes "can be", video games "can be", sex "can be", even social media and your mobile phone "can be" addictive. Shall we ban them? So let's say you do ban porn ( and good luck defining what's going to be considered porn, or art), should we then make masturbation a crime and ban that as well? How about banning all sexual positions but a chosen specific few? Obviously "child pornography", which isn't really porn it's mental illness, is and should be illegal. So should bestiality. Anyone forced into doing porn should be prosecuted as well. But if an adult willing accepts money to perform a sex act on camera with another adult and neither is exploited, where's the crime? You can choose not to watch it. If you become addicted, you can choose to get help.

[CubsterShura]

Actually, I don't advocate for anyone smoking and drinking either. Nor do I support sex before marriage. So I guess you just proved my point further.

[katiesmuff]

The only point advocated by you here is that you believe the world revolves around your young immature ass and what somebody else might enjoy should not matter. Grow up and get real!

[honestGUY45]

If you don't like it, don't look. But you shouldn't stop others because that is none of your business. Should your precious little cellphone be banned because it was manufactured by some child in China?

[CubsterShura]

When did I stop you from watching porn?

[honestGUY45]

You didn't stop me. But you implied that you would if you had the chance because you would want a ban to be implemented. Dumbass.

[katiesmuff]

Your trying to advocate it!

[CubsterShura]

I could look away from people watching porn but I can't look away from the severe damage it causes to relationships, the increased tolerance to sexual violence, exploitation and trafficking, the damage it does to one's psychology and libido, because they are NOT acceptable. Period.

[katiesmuff]

Must be some damn crap place you live as here in Florida where I am from we don't see all that devastation you seem to be familiar with.

[honestGUY45]

Some people might feel the same way about the harmful affects of your religion. Are you even allowed to have a cell phone? or an opinion?

[CubsterShura]

@katiesmuff funny thing is, the research that showed that sexualized images of women increase tolerance for sexual violence, and the ones that showed how porn affects your psychology are both conducted in Western countries. So I wonder who is the one not keeping up.

[CubsterShura]

@honesyGUY45 yes I'm allowed to have a cell phone and an opinion.

[honestGUY45]

OK, because from what I hear if you are Muslim, a woman does not have the same rights as a man. A lot of people don't agree with that, so should we try to ban the Muslim religion? Of course not. It is a religion you choose to follow and if I don't, then that is none of MY business.

[CubsterShura]

"Because of what I hear" lol we'll continue this discussion when you actually have some relevant knowledge other than what you've just heard.

[honestGUY45]

That's OK, I know all I want to know. Speaking of relevant knowledge, you only know what you have been told or what you have read. As far as your 'God' or any others that humans claim to exist, you actually KNOW as much as I do, and that ain't shit.

[honestGUY45]

women-s.net/muslim-womens-rights-sharia-law/

The checklist on this website is exactly what I heard on a Podcast. Must be a conspiracy.

[CubsterShura]

I'm not surprised that the checkpoints are mostly false. I bet your podcast speaker or the writer of that article would never dare to appear before a grand Islamic scholars with that checklist, lmao. If you are actually interested in hearing about each of the checkpoint in details you can pm me but I'm not interested if you already have your mind set on acting nasty. The best idea would be contact an actual Islamic scholar though. You should verify things you hear on the internet, you know?

[DiegoO]

Child porn is not porn, it's child sexual abuse material.

[CubsterShura]

And and the thing is despite it being banned it circulates all over the internet.

[NorthwestRider]

Remember she is a Muslim. Their mindset is still stuck hundreds years ago

[CubsterShura]

Dismissing me for my religion won't prove what I said wrong.

[NorthwestRider]

Why you Muslims and other conservatives religious fanatics love controlling other people lives?

[CubsterShura]

Yeah when China government was hiding the spread of COVID-19 and killed the doctor who tried to spread awareness of it early because they didn't wanna lost the money, it's Muslims trying to control the world, LMFAO. Cool story.

[Hunter7754]

" funny thing is, the research that showed that sexualized images of women increase tolerance for sexual violence, and the ones that showed how porn affects your psychology are both conducted in Western countries. So I wonder who is the one not keeping up." Japan's media is extremely sexualized and violent and their crime rate is extremely low compared to the U. S.

[CubsterShura]

Who is talking about sexual harassment?

[Djaay]

Ok , when porn is banned and no longer available , and women won't ever give themselves for sexual pleasure... what do you perceive will then happen ?

[katiesmuff]

Yup thats the internet and the way the internet will always work! Must be us infidels and our lust for internal freedom that is the problem and not paying attention to those grand Muslim scholars who believe women are not much more than dirt.

[Johnnyjay]

@katiesmuff you said she is immature but from all your responses you seem to be more immature than she is and your 36 and she is 19

[katiesmuff]

@Johnnyjay Seems you have a bug up your ass this morning! Your comment makes no sense as there is nothing immature in my comments here.

[CubsterShura]

@katiesmuff 'grand Muslim scholars who believe women are not much more than dirt' Oh find me ONE Grand Scholar, Katie! Just one! Oh wait you are a coward who will actually never dare to appear in front of one in real life anyway.

[CubsterShura]

I find it interesting how YOU guys are the ones bringing up my religion, not me.

[katiesmuff]

I have my own god and his representatives on earth to answer too, so no need to establish anything on your god's representative who would have totally unacceptable idea's on how I should believe or live.

[honestGUY45]

Well, I brought up your religion because it is something that you choose to engage in. Whether I agree with your religion or not, it is not my place to make that decision for you because you are the one that has to comply with it's requirements, not me. Just because I don't agree with it, that doesn't mean I think it should be banned because it's something that does not affect me. I fail to see how pornography or anything associated with it is affecting you. If you don't like it, don't look, but deciding what someone else should be looking at is none of your business, just like what you do is none of theirs. That's all I have to say, I think we've gone on enough about the subject. Just giving you an answer to your question.

[Johnnyjay]

@katiesmuff she is respectfully giving her opinion. It is ok if you or I don't agree with it. You on the other hand, I see things like... "your immature ass", "Must be some damn crap place you live as here in Florida where I am from we don't see all that devastation you seem to be familiar with." "Must be us infidels and our lust for internal freedom that is the problem" now" I must have a bug up my ass" . You are definitely more immature than she is

[CubsterShura]

@honestGUY45 the thing is, this is NOT 'just a disagreement'. This is more than that. It's literally an issue.

[honestGUY45]

Well, we can agree on that. You definitely have an issue.

[Hunter7754]

Religion has done WAY more harm to society than pornography could ever do. We're talking about centuries of oppression coming from religious governments as well as violence sanctioned by religion and the fact that religion has hindered scientific development.

[Djaay]

Hunter7754. Exactly how is that?

[CubsterShura]

Religion has hindered scientific development... Like Holocause and torture of Uyghur Muslims?

[Hunter7754]

Yes. Need I remind you of the countless scientists that were burned at the stake? Also holocaust is a bad example considering Hitler actually believed in God.

[Djaay]

Hunter7754. Your absolutely confused.

[lynn20012019]

Porn is not the problem. It’s the decisions that some people that watch it make. Cell phones are also highly addictive but that doesn’t mean that you should be banned from using your phone due to the decisions other people make with theirs. Many people are able to watch porn without being addicted to it.

[CubsterShura]

@Hunter7754 if Hitler believing in God proves that religion is a problem then the torture if Uyghur Muslims shows that lack of religion is a problem too, you can't cherry-pick what you find a problem with. Science didn't save any of those victims. If anything then science was used on them very cruelly.

[CubsterShura]

@lynn20012019 cell phones are important and needed, no way can you compare that with porn and say that it should be banned because people get addicted to it. Just how you cannot just can food or sugar because of riding obesity and you cannot can knives because some people have it for violence. Porn is nowhere as needed as cell phones.

[honestGUY45]

You losing your shit there, Cubster? I think this topic has worn you out.

[CubsterShura]

You guys are the only ones looking worn out. Look how desperately you guys are attacking me for my religion to divert from my main point. Sadly dear, denying them won't affect the truth.

[honestGUY45]

Only mentioned your last paragraph, halfway through starting from the word 'Just'. It made no sense and was not constructed in a way that it could. No one seems desperate to me and you are not being attacked in any way. Giving an opinion about your religion is no different than you giving an opinion about someone else's pornography. You want to ban other people from engaging in pornography, but you have a problem with someone wanting to ban you from engaging in your religion. It's just hypocrisy, that's all.

[katiesmuff]

CubsterShura Cell phones are very handy; important or needed not so much as we on earth survived just fine without cell phones for many many years and if we had too the world could survive just fine without them.

[katiesmuff]

I doubt anybody would argue against curtailing child porn which is illegal already most everywhere and they can't even stop that.

[katiesmuff]

@Djaay Explain yourself? Show us how wrong he is!

[Johnnyjay]

holy crap. this is still going on days later. you all need to agree to disagree and find more enjoyable ways to spend your time

[honestGUY45]

I agree, Johnnyjay!

[Hunter7754]

"if Hitler believing in God proves that religion is a problem then the torture if Uyghur Muslims shows that lack of religion is a problem too, you can't cherry-pick what you find a problem with." Wrong. The difference is that the lack of belief in an invisible man in the sky has not caused the same amount of violence religion has. Hitler justified the genocide and murder of millions by claiming he was doing the lord's work. That's just 1 example. There's also the witch hunts which were started because people were doing what the Bible told them to do. The Bible specifically says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". And they proceeded to kill those they deemed 'witches'. Who knows how many scientific advancements were lost because a scientist was accused of being a 'witch' or 'playing God'. Religion has caused far more problems in society, far more violence, far more destruction than porn could ever hope to.

[honestGUY45]

You know your stuff, Hunter7754. 👍

[honestGUY45]

And how convenient for those that cherry-pick, to claim you can't cherry-pick. 🤦‍♂️

[lynn20012019]

Actually they are not needed. Cell phones are needed but smart phones are not.

[CubsterShura]

@Hunter7754 yeah bro, because people who do evil clearly never think of coming up with excuses to take the blame away from themselves, lmao.

[Hunter7754]

Its not coming up with 'excuses' if these people were literally doing what their book told them what to do...

[CubsterShura]

@lynn20012019 true not everyone needs it but I didn't get mine until I needed one, and people actually need it more than you think. And smartphone addiction is still a bad thing. No way can you compare smartphone with porn. Please stop.

[CubsterShura]

Anyway, good to know that the only people in favor of porn are those who think it is as essential as a freaking smartphone, sounds just like what an addict would say.

[lynn20012019]

What is necessary about having a smart phone? You’re saying it should be banned because some people tend to get out of control with it but that can happen with literally anything, not just porn. I love how you’re assuming that I am a fan of porn just because I believe that it’s reasonably legal. I don’t even care for porn myself, but I don’t see any reason it should be illegal. Plenty of people watch it without it harming them. But damn I guess I must be an addict.

[CubsterShura]

The thing is, you literally have to bring it to the level of a smartphone which is a very poor comparison. What is necessary about having a smartphone? Plenty of things. I didn't get a cellphone until I needed it, and I only switched to a smartphone out of necessity. So yes, it is needed. And no, I don't believe porn should be banned just because some people get out of control with it. A lot of people binge ear and get fat, doesn't mean that you ban food. Smoking can slim you down, doesn't mean that I'd recommend it to anyone willing to lose weight. It's literally as simple as the fact that its cons way outweigh its pros.

[lynn20012019]

You haven’t given me a clear answer. Why are smart phones necessary?

[lynn20012019]

And from what I read, that is what you said. Anything can be addictive, even just smartphones. Social media is also highly addictive. Many things are addictive. But that doesn’t mean that it should be illegal.

[CubsterShura]

If I used a cellphone when I first traveled alone without any family member at age 14, I would have to carry a laptop and camera with me to video call my family members, take pictures and store the soft copies of all my necessary documents. I still don't own any other electronic gadget just because I can get everything I need out of this. The only time I use a PC is when I need to print anything or watch a movie/anime. My phone has over 200 e-books and even though I prefer physical books more, I appreciate how convenient it is for travel and how much it saves me some cash and space in my bookshelf. I used my cellphone to learn a new language, and retain my skills in a foreign language that I could speak before owning a smartphone. And no I'm not a phone addict. I keep my phone away for long hours when I'm doing other things. It stays in my handbag when I'm eating outside, and same case for any other day when I'm just enjoying the moment especially with other people. More often than not I have out with friends or closing and at the end of day notice that I completely forgot to take any pictures because I didn't take my phone out.

[CubsterShura]

Friends or cousins**

[lynn20012019]

There is defiantly helpful things about smart phones but technically nobody needs one. Those things are extremely helpful and even being able to see someone while being on the phone with them is amazing but technically those are not necessary. Smart phones have helped me with some similar things you have listed and I would be very upset if I had to give mine up. But I would be fine without it. There are many things that can be addictive including just smart phones. There are many things that can cause addictions and can harm people but there are things to consider, sometimes the problem isn’t the thing itself, it’s some of the people that use whatever the thing is. Not everything should be banned just because some people can’t control themselves.

[lynn20012019]

Definitely***

[lynn20012019]

Are*

[lynn20012019]

Having smart phones definitely makes things easier but they are not something necessary to have in life.

[CubsterShura]

It saves time and makes things less cumbersome. You may consider the latter not very necessary which is fair enough, but the former is not debatable. Time is very very valuable.

[honestGUY45]

Everything is debatable. If by 'former' you mean time, everyone has their own perception of its value. There are those that never have enough, so they could say time is very, very valuable. Some people only value time when they are on someone else's, as in 'on the clock' at work. Then they may waste what time they have remaining for the day, when it's their own. Some people are homeless and a percentage of them choose to be. They drift throughout their territory without a care in the world and time is almost nonexistent until the soup kitchen opens up. Then it's back to wandering around aimlessly. Some people sit on their ass or sleep all day, then play video games for hours until they decide to do something else unconstructive. They have nowhere they need to be, therefore they couldn't care less what time it is. I could go on, but the point has been made that time IS debatable just like everything else. You think it's not, and you're wrong about that too. The point I'm trying to make AGAIN, is the rest of society shouldn't be governed by what YOU believe, but rather by what they deem necessary for their own wellbeing. How arrogant for you, at your age, to think you know what's best for the rest of us. When you're responsible for another human life, you can police their actions all you want. I don't think you're even old enough to do that.

[CubsterShura]

Yeah dude, everyone has opinions on how the world should be ruled ideally. I am entitled to an opinion on this just as much as you are. It's not 'policing'. What's policing is you telling me that I can't believe that porn is destructive just because you are so weak to it that you're literally in denial and ignoring my original points and bringing up other stuff so that you don't have to actually deal with me. Maybe don't use the internet if you take things that personally.

[honestGUY45]

Having an opinion on something, whether it is good or bad, is not the problem. Saying that something should be taken away from others because you don't like it or think it is harmful, is policing. I never told you you could not believe anything. I only made the point that your beliefs should not keep someone else from doing something that has no bearing on your existence, and I countered with an example of someone doing the same to you regarding your beliefs. I'm not into porn, but I am into freedom of choice. That's another misconception your narrow mind has. Fighting for the right to have a choice is not proof of being afflicted by the choices. What exactly have I denied? I never ignored your original point and I have been dealing with you for the last couple of days so once again, wrong. I'm not taking anything personally because we are not talking about anything that I do personally. Based on your comment that I shouldn't use the Internet if I take things personally, that sounds like good advice for you.

[katiesmuff]

When I was 14 we didn't even have cell phones yet, let alone todays versions with cameras and all, but somehow we managed to get everything necessary done, but at 19 you wouldn't know any better because you never lived it and apparently your parents didn't fill you in on how it was.

[sawno]

No not at all, porn itself is not a bad thing and i'd be willing to bet its a strong enough outlet to prevent a lot of bad. Sure there is abuse in the industry and sure people can get addicted. But need to look at it from a honest perspective.

You got multiple kinds of porn, the kind of self produced stuff that is totally fine. And the professional kind where people are treated poorly. But if its legal you can at least put regulations and inspections on it. Don't think the health of the girls is a priority when it all dives underground.

As for the addiction part, i don't think it has that strong of an effect. You need to have a tendency to get addicted to things for porn to be remotely addictive. The fact its a good stimulant does not suddenly make it more desirable than real sex (exceptions excluded) and its not suddenly going to make people dependent on it. Its just a nicer option than fantasies for people who want a bit of unpredictability or are more visually inclined.

So ultimately i think it does more good than harm and its something sought after so you can't just put a ban on it and think its gone. That will just create a black market.

[MK2808]

pornography is not bad
it becomes bad when illegal things happen behind them, like human trafficking, etc.

[CubsterShura]

Yeah and smoking is not bad as long as there is no tobacco involved.

[MK2808]

@CubsterShura prove it

[loveslongnails]

@CubsterShura Wrong, Dr. Shura. Any kind of "smoke" you put into your lungs is not "good". Vaping is likely to be worse in the long run than actually smoking, but it's too soon to tell.

[CubsterShura]

Vape has nicotine.

[loveslongnails]

@CubsterShura Not all vaping has nicotine, but it's still smoke going into your lungs. But that's not the topic of this post.

[CubsterShura]

You're right, but you actually proved my point further on what I tried to mean by what I said.

[loveslongnails]

@CubsterShura I did no such thing. I didn't even directly address your points, which are porn: * It's extremely harmful for your psychology and your libido. * It's highly addictive. * Porn temporarily gives you satisfaction but over time, it worsens your ability to control yourself. All I did was give examples of other vices that are NOT banned, but also have the potential to be harmful, and are known to be addictive - to certain people. Then I asked the question "should they be banned too, and beyond that, why not ban masturbation?" I didn't address your points because I know you got your information from perusing the summations of a few studies, and your own extrapolations. I'm certain you have no direct experience with porn addiction or even constant viewing. And not to mention the heavy exploitation of women that takes place in the adult film

[honestGUY45]

So, smoking pot and crack and meth are OK? No tobacco there...

[CubsterShura]

Of course they are not harmful! They don't have tobacco and there is no other harmful chemical for the lungs at all. Learn to understand sarcasm, smartass.

[Godofbliss]

CubsterShura is actually right here guys... vape does have nicotine and doesn't seem to be harmful... at least until now... I doubt we would be missing the effects if they were as big as tobacco's...

[DaddyRollingStone]

Porn increases human trafficking. If you are coerced to perform sexual acts and forced to sign legal documents giving consent that falls under the legal definition of human trafficking. Look up the producers who were arrested for this exact situation a few months ago. Did you know Pornhub said child porn makes up 1% of its videos uploaded every year? That's thousands. Look into it

[loveslongnails]

@Godofbliss You're on the internet - look up "nicotine free vap" and stop spreading misinformation.

[loveslongnails]

@DaddyRollingStone Human trafficking has existed long before there was photography of any kind. And it wouldn't decrease if every camera disappeared tomorrow. As to Pornhub, they should be charged in court under EACH jurisdiction, in every country they are available, on child pornography laws. They are a business, and if you put a dent in their bottom line they will respond, especially if jail time is in the mix.

[Godofbliss]

@loveslongnails firstly, there are "options" for nicotine free vape which further proves my point and the OPs point... it's effects are yet unknown and likely to be less than cigarettes. Are you so dumb you don't even realise you're saying the same thing?

[loveslongnails]

@Godofbliss The "dumb" part comes when you said "CubsterShura is actually right here guys... vape does have nicotine", when it's clear that not ALL vape has nicotine. So, you stupidly back her statement when a simple search proves that you're dead wrong. From here, you're comments going forward are useless, and most of Cubsters, are regurgitation's of things she has no personal knowledge about.

[DaddyRollingStone]

@loveslongnails if you made porn harder to view it would decrease the demand for women's bodies. The same affect happens when prostitution becomes legal, the industry needs more hookers but normal women don't want to be hookers so they find them through other means.

[Caramel_creme]

Absolutely not! Banning it would just create a black market where it would be produced and consumed unsafely.

Furthermore, although it is far from perfect, it provides a means of sexual relief. Not having that, I suspect leads to repression which is more dangerous?

[potatoiswhoiam]

That's like encouraging sexual harassment and rape, because for now a lot of men (and women) turn to porn because they have no other option. If they don't have that, what do you expect them to do?

[Guffrus]

Riiiight, because men are automatically rapist?

[potatoiswhoiam]

I said And women

[potatoiswhoiam]

They're not automatically rapist, but imagine if porn is gone, a lot of people would be tempted to break the boundaries. And no, that does not mean all or even most people, but a lot of them would find themselves sexually deprived and would potentially find other methods to satisfy their needs, some of them illegal and some of them would resort to rape.

[Guffrus]

So in your mind the thing that stops people from raping is porn? So i suppose in the same way its important that we keep making films featuring murder so that people dont murder people? Right? Because thats how this works? You dont think that rape being wrong factors into this at all and that in fact what determines whether or not someone is going to rape someone or not is if they are a sociopath. You think its about movies..

[potatoiswhoiam]

Lol no, and I don't know why you get that wrong idea at all. It's not about movies but let's face it, we don't watch murder movies so that we don't murder others. We don't watch them because we need to satisfy our need for murder because we don't have that. As for porn, it is watched because we have sexual needs and even tho many of us would not resort to rape in the absence of porn, many others would, because it's the only thing that keeps them from crossing those boundaries. In addition to that, I didn't say that would be the outcome of no porn. I said it's like encouraging sexual harassment and murder in a way, because like I said, many people do not have the self control needed so they would be more tempted to cross the boundaries in the absence of porn.

[potatoiswhoiam]

So I'd appreciate if you don't twist my opinion and make it something it's not

[Guffrus]

Dont talk about other people, talk about yourself, thats how this works. When you are making up rules you should be making rules that you think that you need to be following, not things that have to chase away the boogy man you conjured up in your imagination.

[potatoiswhoiam]

I don't even know what this means at this point. Because I'm not the one that twisted your words. You're the one who started with your "because men are automatically rapist" as if I even implied that, despite me saying men and women, and nowhere was even mentioned that all men are rapist or automatically rapist. So before you comment make sure to not come up with your own interpretation of words that are really direct, and make them to be something they're not, just to start an argument that shouldn't be there in the first place, because you're not even arguing my point of view, you are arguing words that you put in my mouth

[Guffrus]

What it means is exactly what i have said to you. Stop thinking that you are special and that rules apply to other people. Yes porn should be legal but not for the reasons you are stating. As i have said, when you are considering rules you should be thinking about them being applied TO YOU, not someone else who is different to you, TO YOU. You are not a special little snow flake you are every bit as flawed and awful as everyone else.

[potatoiswhoiam]

No one said I'm special, not even me.. I get your point but at the same time I'm not thinking just of me, because even tho, yes, rules apply to all, even to me, we are not talking about the rules themselves here, we are talking about the consequences. Different people react differently to rules, so it would be dumb to just let the rules apply just to me, because that means ignoring different kinds and types of people and just assuming everyone is the same.. which it's not. That's why I said a lot and not all (unlike what you did) and specified that even tho it's not most, it still would be a significant number. I didn't let the rules be absolute like you did, I specified and focused on one outcome, I didn't say that would be the only outcome, but it would certainly be one of the many outcomes.

[Guffrus]

You dont understand at all.

[Guffrus]

You dont get to speak for other people like that. If you want to say that you think that you require porn to stop you from raping fine but that is not what you think at all, you would probably be outraged even at the suggestion, but you are completely comfortable assigning that shit to other people, because they dont matter, they aren't real people like you are, you are a special and they are fucking scumbags and you should get to invoke the monopoly of violence claimed by the state to smite those fuckers so that you can be ok. Right? Getting it yet? No? What a fucking surprise..

[grega239]

So no porn equals rape? And why women. When have women had problems getting laid?

[Guffrus]

@grega239 Because then she gets to claim that she isn't saying men aren't automatically rapists because she is including women too, its all fair and equal then, dont let facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.

[potatoiswhoiam]

No porn certainly does NOT equal rape, but it can and most likely will increase the number of rape cases, sexual assault etc. "And why women".. because it's a misconception that you have to be a male in order to be a rapist. "When have women had problems getting laid?" - it's not about getting laid. It's about the mentality of a rapist. What you both fail to understand or just don't want to understand is that I'm not attacking men as a whole or saying that rape is less because there is porn. Its not a causal relationship. What I'm trying to say here is that by removing porn or making it illegal, a lot of people can resort to more illegal ways to satisfy themselves and fulfil their needs, which CAN be a contributing factor to a higher rape rate. This does not mean men are automatically rapists, it does not mean no porn means rape, all it means is this could be a potential consequence because there is a certain group of people who, if pushed beyond limits, would not hesitate and I'm definitely not generalizing, but at the same time, it can't be denied, that with that particular group resorting to other ways to fulfil their needs, the number of sexual assault and harassment cases will increase.

[Onearth]

@Guffrus she did not say all men or only men though. you are just being unnecesseraly offensive on this. In my country sex is a big deal that is why men make excuses like 'ı couldnt hold myself' 'ı couldnt controll it ' 'women dont have sex with me what did you expect me to do' kind of things and I do think that guys having problems with controlling more than women, thats a fact lol. If there are 100 hunderds rape cases 99 of them are from men to women or men to men. So some people have problems with their desires right? And porn helps them to relax even a bit. They get to see stuff and imagine stuff. In where i live if they bann porn ı bet that there will be more sexual harrasment cases since men usually dont get to have sex if he is not married.

[grega239]

No I dont get it. The mentality of a rapist... so because I can't jack off to porn, I'm potentially gonna go rape someone? huh?

[Guffrus]

You are very confused. It has not established that there is a relationship between porn and rape. Neither of us have suggested that you have to be male to be a rapist. The point made to you was that you is that if women can get laid whenever they want and they can then porn being available to them is irrelevant as a deterrant to rape which was your claim. If it is about the mentality of a rapist then its not about porn, you can't have it both ways. What you have failed to understand is essentially everything which has been said to you.

[Guffrus]

@Onearth I dont need you to try and explain to me what Potato said, I fully understand everything which has been said. Including what you have just said which is that I am now a rapist because someone is a rapist claimed they couldnt control themselves as though that makes it ok.

[Anpu23]

@Guffrus actually there are studies that suggest that porn reduces rape. I'll let you Google it for sources, but it does seem to have an inverse relationship. So in the abstract, it seems that she is absolutely correct. When mentioning a study it doesn't, necessarily, require a personalized feeling or experience.

[grega239]

Soooo before porn, men were going on raping sprees?

[Aakash_Hangargi]

As I see Ms. Potato is right in a way not completely but yes for people who are from rough background or beyond poverty or crooks like that made loose motivation after jerking off and also prostitution was made legal for same purpose while they go and fulfill there desires with escorts or sex workers so that people with sexual desire or people having to deal with sexual urges who can't control them there are people as such, I am not talking about the educated and well off people but some others it's a reality but it doesn't imply that if porn is banned it would not be more people can still mastrubate and have release but brothel houses may be required for some people

[Anpu23]

@grega239 no, first when is "before porn" as we have graphic images going WAY back. Think the Karma Sutra, images on the walls of Pompeii, etc. Second like I said there is some studies that suggest that porn reduces rape. These are not clinically proven in a double blind experiment (how would you even set something like that up?). Lastly we know that rape was much more common in the past then it is now, slavery, in times of war, etc it wasn't common but certainly happened on a fairly regular basis.

[Guffrus]

@Anpu23 No, those people just decided that they were going to interpret the data in that way, the relationship is between internet and rape not porn and rape, those are very different things. There is no data about porn, how could there be?

[Anpu23]

@Aakash_Hangargi History doesn't agree with you, most people of wealth in both the east and west used brothels. In the 18th century Europe and similar times in both China and Japan the wealthy were brothel patrons. Not necessarily educated as the two don't necessarily coincide with each other, but certainly wealth.

[grega239]

My question still stands.

[grega239]

Like I don't understand the logic here. " Porn is illegal so I guess I go commit rape, a thing that's even more illegal"

[Anpu23]

@Guffrus Czech Republic is another good example, where porn even such magazines as Playboy were outlawed then when the laws changed rape was reduced by over 30% this wasn't internet it was specific to porn. www.psychologytoday.com/.../evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault

[Guffrus]

@Aakash_Hangargi @anpu23 @potatoiswhoiam The core question is about the legality of porn and rape has got absolutely nothing to do with it. If consenting adults choose to make, share, sell porn that is no business of the states or anyone elses beyond issues of taxation and protection of children etc. There is absolutely no requirement to justify its existance beyond that and you weaken the position not strengthen it when you introduce arguments about rape even if you assume those claims are accurate though no such evidence exists.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

@Guffrus I also agree with you but the thing its not simple as that people do fall under both sides of the line here it maybe in certain way reduce the no. s but not completely reduce it. Or it might even actually provoke people as well because the stories they show and if watched continuously you start believing those things like women would want to have sex with plumbers, and I have seen videos such as girl calls some random hardware worker to repair something and does some kinda sexual act behind him if caught they might engage in the sexual activity these things affect minds but it depends on the people what they wanna choose..

[Onearth]

@Guffrus i did not call you rapist lmao. you really are misunderstanding it. No body said all men will going to rape because porn is gone. So i need to at least 'try' what potato said because clearly you did not understand it at all. no one called you rapist. not me not her. You need to focus on what you are reading and be open minded to understand what it really says otherwise you are just like a parrot keep saying the same thing without not even listening others.

[Onearth]

@grega239 No, that does not mean that. What it means is there are some sick minded people out there trying to keep themself from rape by using other tools. Like porn. I am espectially saying 'sick minded' so you will not get offended by it if you are not one. So these sick minded (usually men when it comes to rape) people will not be able to hold them back cuz like i said they are SICK MINDED. So there will be more rape cases. That is so obvious I dont even know why we are disgussing this.

[AD240pCharlie]

@onearth @potatoiswhoiam
www.psychologytoday.com/.../evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault
In case you're having trouble debating without being able to back up what you're saying with actualy references and evidence, here you go!
While it's important to always keep in mind that correlation does not equal causation, the statistics seem to at least indicate a possibility of your standpoint being accurate.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

But it could be due to stricter laws as well

[AD240pCharlie]

@Aakash_Hangargi That's why I said that you should keep in mind that correlation does not equal causation. There could be many different reasons as to why the numbers seem to line up, and the reality is that it's probably more than one cause for it, but it's still something that, like I said, COULD support her position. Don't make any assumptions about the cause when all you can see is the result, whether that assumption is "it's because porn makes people less likely to rape" or "it's because of stricter laws". The fact remains that statistics can never coherently show the reason for something, it can only show us the outcome.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Got it Mr. Charlie thanks for the exolanation

[grega239]

@onearth ok by that logic, if I completely stop watching porn , the likelihood of me commiting rape increases?

[grega239]

This to me sounds like : if we ban wrestling, violence would increase...

[Aguysopinion4799]

Well..
The thing is, porn is looked down on as people see it as a insult to whichever gender is being involved in the scenes.

But the thing is, these people choose to have this career as a job in itself, making channels, making money off of the amount of views and likes.

Some people may shun the idea of watching it, but I don't believe you should make it illegal, not only because it is enjoyable to watch (Both for women and men) but also because if you made it illegal, you would be making a lot of people jobless, it is something they want to do and if they didn't then they would be choosing a different career.

Also, porn stars make a LOT of money, so to give up a job like that would be a bad move if you are comfortable with the scenes you have to perform.

[Love2Jackit]

No pornography shouldn't be made illegal. Reason being it would take away free speech. Another is nobody forces other people 2 watch it. It all goes back 2 haters. U got people who are always going 2 hate on what they can't control. Best thing people could do is 2 not make such a big deal about porn. Cause by making it an issue. That makes some people want 2 see it even more. Remember u don't make an issue about some things. Then over time it will slowly start 2 fade. As long as people talk about porn and hate on it. Then the more people will keep having interest. Cause no matter what u do. Porn will always be around legal or illegal. Face it porn is here 2 stay.

[EnglundUberAlles]

Porn isn't speech dude.

[LoveliestLily]

This comes down to a simple question: How much are people allowed to ruin their own and others' lives?

[DizzyDesii]

LIFE WOULD BE VERY BORING

[katiesmuff]

Then we can ban Disney cartoons, movies of love stories, social media, texting for business only, all religious programs. That suit you as well!

[EmperorOfRussia]

Yes, pornography is just as equal as love stories and cartoons for children. Galaxy brain right there. Your depraved lifestyle screwed your little brain.

[katiesmuff]

@EmperorOfRussia NO! It's your Socialist Mind at work you fuckin idiot! Once things begin to get banned it doesn't stop. I don't really give a fiddler's fuck who likes or dislikes porn it's the idea of banning something because it doesn't fit your liking. You make a perfect Russian, please return there.

[Ibeji]

No, but I do think it should be more regulated to ensure that everyone being filmed is a knowing and willing participant.

[sawno]

As long as the regulations would not harm individual creators who film their own sex life, because that kind of porn is the most participant friendly and most authentic you can find.

[Ibeji]

@sawno That’s fair.

[CindyRuns]

As long as it doesn't replace real relationships, involve underage people, human trafficking and the like, it's pretty harmless.

Personally, I'm more into erotic literature.

[edjee4]

What? Why?

[cheapshotbob]

yeah iit shuld it serves no purpose but to make money for people whp need drug money or money for collage. there is no other point to it.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Yes, it shall be. Or at least be heavily regulated to the point of becoming an unprofitable activity.

[TheHonestBlock]

Pornography has a similar effect on the mind to that of a drug. There are some consequences to its use. It can decrease men's libido and self-esteem, damage present and future relationships, and can leave you prone to an addiction. With all this being said, given how lucrative the porn industry seems to be, it'd be almost impossible to outlaw it.

[Tstrbrainer]

If one chooses to watch porn knowing all these stuff, who is powerful to stop him/her? It's their life and their genitalia.

[jesahen505]

no lol. i would not have anything to watch anymore

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Netflix, chickficks, serials movies, of not work on your aspirations read books

[jesahen505]

@Aakash_Hangargi lol i still need to get off to something. shows and books do not give me enough

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I am gonna be quite now 😉

[KeziL]

No, i think if certain people can't have at least that outlet they will turn to worse things.

[Guffrus]

Riiiight, because men are automatically rapist?

[KeziL]

@Guffrus no, not at all. all humans need some form of impulse control. I think a lot of people live out their crime dreams vicariously through true crime shows and stuff, and porn seems to be a way of experiencing things a little without actually doing them. Yes rape would be an issue, but it isn't just a man issue, it's an everyone issue.

[Madhatter920]

Nah. The more time weirdos spend watching porn is time they don't spend out being weird to actual people.

[lovephotography]

Definitely shouldn't he illegal

[ObscuredBeyond]

We'd have to define it much more explicitly. And even then, banning all of it effectively sounds like it'd turn into another Prohibition. But with even scarier results. Now, the categories of it that are already illegal? That's why I suggest adopting thermal depolymerization as a form of execution.

[godfatherfan]

unfortunately for you, you grew up in an age where guys can get porn anytime they want at a very early age. Males grow up with a severely distorted view on what sex is. Porn is fantasy, not reality. Porn is not sex. So if guys grow up thinking that is sex, it is just a disaster. No, porn should not be illegal, that is absurd. But I wish there was a way to force it to be pay only, not free. The saddest thing you can see is someone who posts a question "who is your favorite porn star". That is just a sad individual. If you watch enough porn to have a "favorite star", you are seriously pathetic.

[JackSmy]

Illegal? Why, and how? So many cases gone through the Supreme Court and supported under the 1st Amendment.
Here's a novel idea: if you don't like it, don't watch it, and just go knit a sweater! Just because some don't like a thing is not grounds to ban it, or EVERYTHING would be banned!!
I HATE BANJO music, so I don't listen to it, but wouldn't ever consider banning, or telling those that love it, not to be able to play it!!
Learn to live in a diverse society!!