Dear feminism, can we please stop encouraging women to give their bodies to undeserving men?

[MzAsh]

This isn’t about slut shaming or politically policing women’s bodies.

Sex is pleasurable and should absolutely be experienced by women too.

All I’m asking is that we instead encourage women to be smart and implement a sexual strategy that qualifies men and commands respect instead of causing detachment and entitlement.

Sex is strategic. We should be too.

[startingfitness]

See, this is something im on board with. Its funny that I was just thinking about this subject.

Its becoming more and more prevalent to me that women are rewarding selfish and evil men with sex, while they don't do so for good guys. And then they wonder why they are being treated bad or ask where all the good men have gone when they get older. Ridiculous.

If women were sleeping with good men, then these issues wouldn't even exist. Not only that, those type of dudes would simply be eliminated.

And by the way im not saying good guys don't get laid, what im saying is that good guys aren't getting laid because they are "good" its usually other reasons. This isn't just my opinion, there is a study that said bullies are twice as more likely to get sex than good guys.
(can't link at my xper but google it)

I can put on plenty of examples were serial killers and other violent criminals often have female fan followings and women wanting to marry them.
Female erotica almost always depicts men who are selfish and evil.
Women have horrible mate selection standards, and what turns women on is really messed up. You need to raise more awareness about it and girls should be more introspective about their preferences.

[EmbraceThePain]

I agree.
Women should vet more.

This means, not 100% but still, that women SHOULD shy AWAY from casual sex encounters, friends with benefits, ONS, etc.

These interactions usually cause regret in women, whereas the opposite is true for men based on polling.

BUT, when a woman finds a worthy partner and she believes he’s sexually competent, then the polling changes.

Despite either of these, the vast majority of women still do not enjoy, prefer, or like casual sex AND to the extent that they do, they usually want something MORE after it.

They believe it’s a precursor to a relationship.

More women should be more selective, but in necessarily physical ways, but NON Physical ways. Since you mentioned “deserving” men, I don’t think you’re strictly talking about physical qualities, but non physical ones since “deserving” seems to imply or relate to a man’s actions, personality, character, etc.

All non physical stuff

[scarlett774]

I think most woman know their worth and how to be treated, but if a woman likes sex and enjoys it, I see no problem with her just wanting to hook up and the leave. To each their own

[Bluemax]

Who will define "undeserving men?"

[dmgstarfleet]

Quit trying to raise the price-its already too high which is why marriage is at a all time low. Men are refusing to expend their hard earned resources to entitled and unappreciative women

[MzAsh]

Choose a woman with her her own resources and she won’t be so interested in yours. Otherwise be content with low quality women.

[dmgstarfleet]

due to hypergamy women usually seek men with greater resources than them. Women have a tendency to vastly overrate what they, themselves bring to the table.

[MzAsh]

Low quality women and gold diggers do that, but so many men never get around to making that distinction because they’re blinded by her looks.

[dmgstarfleet]

I agree that many men make poor decisions "blinded" by looks.

[Violetsunshine6]

that's what feminism teaches

[MzAsh]

I see more encouragement of women to go have fun at the party and hookup with whoever you want. Sheryl Sandberg literally wrote in her book that women should have fun with the bad boys and the commitment phobes before they settle down. This isn’t a smart strategy.

[Violetsunshine6]

no they teach that it's ok to do all that (and also be careful) , there is no need to slutshame anyone , because women have been compared to unrealistic standards and told to be good girls

[MzAsh]

I know. I’m not advocating for women to be good girls. I’m certainly not one as many here will attest to that. But I’ve been very successful with finding a good man after becoming more firm about who I’m dealing with.

[Violetsunshine6]

there is a time and place for everything

[startingfitness]

feminism teaches women that all men are bad , and yet encourages women to have sex without commitment. This is why we can't take you seriously, no sense of self preservation or consistency in logic.

[Agape93]

Pretty sure this was already a basic understanding

[Bandit74]

I think women just naturally have the inclination to sleep with those kinds of men. I don't think feminism is convincing them to do it.

[MzAsh]

Low quality women, maybe

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

You really think women don't already do this? It's easy to criticise when you only see the 1 guy that gets laid for every 20 guys that get turned down by the same girl. If a girl is already being THAT selective, and STILL makes shitty choices in her sexual partners, then maybe the problem is HER, not men.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

But then, perhaps this just confirms your argument that women need a better selection strategy. But women are already more than selective enough. Turning away more guys won't solve anything, because she'll still ultimately choose the shitty guys who use her and lie to her. She needs to change the QUALITIES she looks for in guys, and select based on a qualitative rather than quantitative criteria. But some girls just get on a power trip seeing how easy it is to turn down spineless nice guys, then she fucks the first guy to call out her shit because he passes her really low bar of assertiveness. Maybe if men across the board asserted themselves better and stood by their convictions, then it would level the playing field to the point that nice guys can even out-compete the assholes. But for some women, the qualities of the asshole are mistaken as positive traits, because he makes the "bad seem so good" "

[MzAsh]

Overall, I think women should qualify less on looks, status, and money and more on attitude, behavior, maturity, responsibility, loyalty, which likely would turn out to be even more discriminatory than qualifying him on looks, status, and wealth. But then again, a woman doesn’t need a bunch of men. She only takes one, and it will better ensure he’s overall the best choice for her.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

That I agree with for sure. But i do wonder if part of the problem is that some women select mates on short term compatability factors (status, excitement, drama, lifestyle etc), and then try to retroactively mold him into a long term mate. When in reality, if she wants a long term mate, she needs to select for the traits that predict long term relationship success, which would roughly equate to those you listed. If she just wants a short term fuck buddy, then there's no reason not to find the most handsome, richest guy she can convince to pamper her until she gets bored

[Alexandrubaschet08]

I suport the feminism whit that idea, is good for evrybody. Guys need more sex.

[Violetsunshine6]

🤣🤣🤣

[ThiccNigro]

You're proof that feminism is about chauvinism and not equality

[MzAsh]

Men could use this advise too. They might have a few less child support payments if they were smarter about who they have sex with.

[ThiccNigro]

Sex is a basic human function. To insinuate that anyone is undeserving is completely asinine

[es20490446e]

Same with men.

[hellacray]

I'm confused feminists are encouraging women to be sluts?

I thought feminists hated men.

[Thatsamazing]

... Huh?

[DogEatsCat1973]

With feminisms goal to wipe all males off the face of the Earth it would be wise for all men to invest in AI girlfriends and leave the women alone like they want to be left alone.

[loveslongnails]

As always, Mz. Ash... wise words.

I don't know wtf happened to "dating" with Tinder and other apps, but for some reason, young girls are just as afraid of being called "prude" as they are "slut". I think girls have to understand something about guys, which they currently don't. When a guy calls you a prude, it's because you don't act or talk sexually (to guys in general), but primarily towards HIM ! When the same guy calls a girl a "slut", and she's not one, it's because he thinks you've had sex with others but you've rejected having sex with HIM !

Both of those things are an attempt to shame a girl into having sex, from different angles. Never let that happen to you, ladies. It's pretty easy to spot the players, so don't feel any internal or peer pressure to just "do it for the sake of doing it". You'll regret that for a very long time.

[An_Impulse]

im pro for this.. but feminism might not :P

[coffeewithcream]

I thought only whores thought about sex as a strategic endeavour. :)
Apparently not.
So sex is about politics, too. :)

[MzAsh]

It’s natural.

[Violetsunshine6]

that's nice one

[xXMidknightXx]

Yup. Choose sexual partners carefully and vet them. Much less drama comes from it and much more fulfilling sex and relationships.

[COMMODOREII]

Heck yeah that should happen to prevent undeserving men and women. I've seen my share of both in the dating life.

[YHL6965]

So you're encouraging manipulation, using sex as a bait? I'm sorry but modern men fall less and less for that trick.

[MzAsh]

There’s no manipulation. Strategy isn’t manipulation. Most people use some sort of strategy, though it’s usually just not very good.

[YHL6965]

Using baiting tactics is manipulation and manipulation is a strategy like another. Besides, I'm sorry but a lot of women are not worth falling for the bait. If you're a 2/10 person (and I don't mean that only physically, I mean that as a person overall) and if you sell yourself as a 5/10, people won't buy. Men are not that dumb.

[MzAsh]

What baiting tactics?

[YHL6965]

Baiting sex but then holding it back from men.

[MzAsh]

I never said for women to do that...

[YHL6965]

Yes but women who give themselves away like that usually do that, the audience you are targeting have such tendencies and it could lead to baiting and therefore manipulating tactics. Nowadays, men tolerate manipulation and other mind games less and less so playing such games could lead to the creation of more bitter men without necessarily making it better for women in my opinion.

[MzAsh]

I’m not telling women to bait men with sex. I’m telling them they should be smarter about who they have sex with and qualify a man first.

[YHL6965]

But I have a feeling the kind of woman who don't think about who they have sex with would be awkward about that kind of thing and could end up frustrating men more than anything and therefore fueling a certain toxicity or hate for women in some men. If they want to be smart about who they have sex with, they should do it properly and not bait sex otherwise it might just make things worse in the bigger picture.

[MzAsh]

What kinds of things do you consider as bait?

[YHL6965]

Being very flirty but then not acting up on it. Personally, I rarely fall for the flirting bait but I know a lot of men do and they would end up being frustrated because these women do not follow up on what they set up, which is understandable. Just to be clear, I'm not saying being frustrated like that is absolutely right, that women owe sex to men because they flirted or anything like that. I'm just saying that it's understandable that a lot of men would be frustrated by such a behavior and that it could build resentment in them towards women, which is definitely not good for both these men and the women that will have to deal with these men.

[MzAsh]

Yes, I don’t think that women should intentionally lead men on, so I agree on that. However, sometimes it happens without intention and we all are let down by the other gender because we hope for more and it doesn’t happen, so it’s our responsibility to deal with that frustration in a healthy way. And that goes for both men and women.

[YHL6965]

I definitely agree with you on that. But I guess this is addressing the good old issue of communication, being open and honest with your intention and both men and women struggle with that.

[Nastierthebettee]

Fuck no real feminists give their pussy out to everyone yes I’m using her but she’s using me too

[Anonymous]

Feminism should stop teaching women to play victims and dressing like meat while acting like they are entitled.

[MzAsh]

They should have a victor mentality, not victim.