Why won't guys accept that the statistically average penis size isn't normal?

[purplepoppy]

AVERAGE ISN'T NORMAL
An obese woman sits in a doctor's office, her fat ass spilling over the sides of the chair. The doctor suggests she loses weight, to which she retorts, she isn't fat she's average, pointing to other lardbuckets waddling past the window. People are getting fatter because they confuse the average with being normal and don't see the need to diet.
So what has this to do with penis size? Well all this "oh your 5 inch penis is within average range" gives guys the false impression that they're normal. They might be statistically average but they're not normal.

SO WHY AREN'T THEY NORMAL? I'M GETTING CONFUSED.

Imagine you have a 4 inch penis and you see a hot sexy girl in a fuckmedress smile at you in a club. Just how confident would you be in approaching her, buying a drink or two then taking her out back to bang her in the alley? Would your tiny penis be playing on your mind? Would you be terrified she'd laugh her head off run back in the club and tell everyone about your miniscule penis? Of course you would and chances are you wouldn't risk it. But what of that 7 inch guy? Well he approaches girls with a lot more confidence. Plus it doesn't take long before knowledge of his large penis becomes well-known and girls become interested.

In short we rarely see statistically average penises. Well hung guys get more girls and so what we view as normal is much longer. I. e. the average measured penis may be 5-6 inches but we usually only see 6-7inch so that's what we consider normal.

PENISES ARE LIKE BADGERS

Here in the U. K. badgers are one of our most abundant animals. Now I see badgers on a regular basis but most people have never seen this very common creature and think they're actually rare. Penises are the same, most guys don't see many reallife big erections and so don't think they're common. Men grossly underestimate the normal penis size.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

The true average penis size is very difficult to determine. Many men accept that the average penis size is within the 5-inch range because many penis size studies report it and it helps men not feel so small down there. These studies also try to convince them that anything 7+ inches is rare, which is laughably false. According to a study published by BJU International, the supposedly biggest penis size study on the internet, up to 15,521 males underwent penis size measurements by health professionals using a standard procedure. The nomograms revealed that the average length of an erect penis was 5.1 inches, and the average erect girth was 4.5 inches. However, when you actually uncover the methodology used to gather such data, you learn that only 6.9% of those 15,521 men had their erect penises measured and, oftentimes, they only measured the erect sizes of mostly Caucasian and Middle Eastern men. This is even mentioned at the end of the study. Therefore, the "average" penis size data is very misleading. The average penis size is very likely larger than 5 inches. I actually wrote a whole myTake on this almost a year ago. When a woman is fully aroused, she can practically take any sized penis with enough practice.

5 inches wouldn't be enough to reach the most pleasurable spots of the average fully aroused woman. Noticeable differences also exist between racial groups. For example, Indian and East Asian guys tend to be much noticeably smaller than Black, Hispanic, and White guys. According to the world penis size data, the largest penises tend to exist in Africa, the Caribbean, and Latin America. Knowing this, the best we can do is go by our personal experiences and many women would confirm that 5 inches is small, but women of certain races might disagree. For example, Black women are likely to laugh when you tell them that 5 inches is average, Hispanic women are very likely to disagree and believe it's bigger, White women are likely to be divided in their opinions, Middle Eastern women are likely to believe it's average, and Indian and East Asian women would likely consider it slightly larger than average. You also make a great point using that badger analogy. Most men only see dicks in porn and they try to convince themselves that porn doesn't represent reality. However, most women see dicks all the time in real life beyond porn and, within their experiences, they often tend to be much bigger than 5 inches. I have seen bigger penises than 5x4 inches on men that were completely soft.

[808state]

What are you even talking about. Everyone has different bodies... to judge someone on the genitals is due to culture.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@808state: What I mean is that I'm just not convinced that 5 inches is truly the average penis size. 5 inches is really small. The studies that supposedly prove it as "average" are non-representative of entire populations and very misleading. Am I wrong? Determining what is average isn't making judgements about people.

[david085]

Well done for reviewing this. You are right and wrong. All the studies on penis size have problems with selection bias and the men measured are mostly well above average that gives a high average. 3-4 inches is more than enough for most women.

[david085]

5 inches isn't really small. Get an actual ruler and measure it not a doctored one from a porn shop.

[david085]

3-4 inches is likely the real average when accounting for selection bias.

[david085]

"5 inches wouldn't be enough to reach the most pleasurable spots of the average fully aroused woman." Based on the wealth of information on the internet. 99.9% of which is false. Try again

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@david085: Hi David. I doubt that most of the men's penises that were measured for penis size studies were well above average in size. If anything, men that are curious about how their penis size compares to other men are perhaps more likely to volunteer to have their penises measured by a medical professional. I say this because men with obviously small or big penises already have an idea of how their penis size compares to other men, which makes them less likely to care about penis size studies. As for 3-4 inches being "more than enough for most women," I disagree. According to Medical News Today, the average fully aroused vagina expands up to 7 inches deep. For many women, sex is more pleasurable the deeper the penis penetrates the vagina. Because 3-4 inches can't penetrate a woman deeply, she is extremely likely to not experience much satisfaction. I doubt that 3-4 inches is the real average penis size. According to the study that I critiqued, even the average flaccid penis is 3.66 inches, which was concluded based on a larger and more accurate data sample. It would make no sense for the average erect penis size to be the same or slightly larger than the flaccid size. If anything, the average penis size is much larger than 5 inches. Why do you think that 5 inches isn't little?

[david085]

@tiffany_taylor_made "If anything, men that are curious about how their penis size compares to other men are perhaps more likely to volunteer to have their penises measured by a medical professional." All men are curious how their penis compares. But no man I know wanted to get an erection in front of a healthcare professional to have his measured. The only men who want to do that are exhibitionist types.

[david085]

@gnj1958 all the men in these surveys were honest. My bad they must be telling the truth.

[CalicoJack856]

@tiffany_taylor_made I think it's highly subjective, and there is a lot of truth to your statement that it may have to do with certain ethnic groups. Now, I'm no anthropologist, but as a pansexual guy who's seen a lot of erect penises in my time... There does seem to be a trend to that horrible horrible polarizing word "stereotypes". I live in a very ethnically diverse part of the US and I have had encounters with men from a huge range of ethnicities (should point out here that I'm white) and... Yeah, the vast majority of very large penises I've seen were on black men. In general, most of the black men I've been sexually active with were at least around 7.5" or bigger (fun fact if I spread my fingers apart it's exactly 9" from the tip of my thumb to the tip of my pinkie, so I have a built in measuring tool lol) and yes, the smallest I have seen were indeed on East Asian men. However, the vast majority of erect penises I've seen period were in the 5-6" range and this includes men of all ethnicities, so I am forced to conclude that at least in my area, regardless of ethnicity, something around 5.5" seems to be the average. Which is fine by me, because I have what I consider to be a very average 6" penis, and I have yet to hear complaints about it even from my ex wife, and if ANYBODY would complain to me about it being inadequate, trust me, that bitch would let me know.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@CalicoJack856: Albeit I have dated many men of different races in my lifetime, most men I have dated were Black and many of them were typically 7-9 inches. In fact, within my experiences, it isn’t uncommon for men, whether they’re Black, White, or Hispanic, to be 5 inches when their dicks are completely flaccid let alone fully hard. Thus, I am simply not convinced that 5 inches is the true average erect penis size for all men regardless of races because notable differences definitely exist. In addition, I have watched many amateur porn videos that featured real life Black couples and many of the men’s dicks were typically around the same size as the dicks that I have seen within my own personal experiences. However, when watching such amateur porn featuring real Indian and/or East Asian couples, the men, more often than not, have much smaller penises in comparison. A common counter to such an observation is men that willingly film amateur porn are more likely to be more confident about filming their porn compared to other men because their dicks are bigger than average. However, this can be disputed based on the simple fact that small Black dicks in amateur porn are not too uncommon as well and that Indian and East Asian men almost always have small dicks in amateur porn, proving that being willing to film amateur porn does not always correlate with penis size and confidence.

[david085]

It is not that hard to determine. Studies where men "volunteer" to have their erect penis measured and penis measured in general. What are the chances they are representative of the general population? None. I suppose you take the average height from the NBA and say the average height is not really 5ft9 because of the guys in the NBA.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@david085: "It is not that hard to determine. Studies where men "volunteer" to have their erect penis measured and penis measured in general. What are the chances they are representative of the general population? None." I agree. Assuming the number of men that volunteered to have their penis measured is much smaller than the total number of men, the margin of error only increases based on how much smaller the number of volunteers is compared to the total male population. This is true because the possibility exists that the many men that didn’t undergo penis measurement could be bigger (or smaller) than the reported average of those that underwent measurement. "I suppose you take the average height from the NBA and say the average height is not really 5ft9 because of the guys in the NBA. " I would never conclude that because the NBA doesn’t represent the majority of men. Only a little over 500 basketball players exist in the NBA, whereas 3.97 billion males exist in the world. NBA players only represent an extremely tiny portion of men worldwide. The average height in the NBA is 6'7." The primary reason NBA players are very tall on average is because tall, athletic people are more likely to excel naturally at the sport of basketball compared to a shorter player that is more likely to have trouble shooting over taller defenders or reaching the basket. Either way, I very rarely see people that are 6'7" beyond sports. Yet, I frequently see men that are 5'9" daily. Also, many people don't consider a 5'9" man a short. Thus, I have no problem believing 5'9" is average height. When compared to penis size, I don't see the supposed average of 5 inches as often as I see bigger penis sizes. Many people also consider a 5-inch penis to be small as well, which is another reason I have trouble believing 5 inches is the average penis size.

[david085]

Yes, Tiffany. That is right. And I am saying that the sample is skewed towards the men who are exhibitionist. Do your boyfriends go and have their erect penis measured? No, they don't. And you have to question the people who are volunteering. You have thrown out some numbers about the lengths of certain partners but I have evidence that one of the longest performers in porn is just over 6 inches. Unedited footage.

[david085]

so it is pretty clear to me that these numbers are based in your head. 0.5 inches or 0.75 inches you perceive as an inch. 0.75inches times 7 is 5.25 inches. 0.75 inches times 9 is 6.75 inches. Both of these measurements would be in a range well beyond the average. Measure the actual lengths and then come back. I rarely see that people's perception of a length matches the actual length.

[ausfreak11]

it may be because men with 5 inches are too scared to approach girls. therefore less are seen in the "wild"

[JHAYES317]

Good for you. You are just going off your anecdotal experience, not off facts

[Danny1775]

You're a moron

[KristiBreaksTheRule]

lol every time I read purplepoppy's posts even when I like them they all sound like they are written by a really old woman who is quite bitter about men (I kid you not, just read her posts and picture your friend's divorced mother writing them, they suddenly make a lot more sense). Even the jokes are old housewives jokes, that's why some guys on here think she sounds "intelligent". Well if you are 60 year old pretending to be 19-20 using some amateur camsite's photo of course you sound mature and intelligent. So I dont think you guys have to take her seriously considering the last time she had sex was probably 30 years ago.

by the way I agree average isn't normal, it depends on the distribution. Penis size follows the normal distribution, so the average happens to be equal to "normal" (The peak of the distribution - the size you will most likely encounter if you pick a random guy off the street)

inb4 blocked and deleted 😂

[MCheetah]

I fully agree with you about almost everything you said.

[Tonytoutouni123]

What do you actually have against men with small and average penises?

You're actually a stupid cunt and I'll tell you why:

First of all, as regards content:

That a man with a 4 inch penis doesn't feel comfortable talking to women and a man with a 7 inch penis is more confident is definitely true.

But you are confusing what normal means. Normal does not mean what women prefer, but what most men have.
Fact is, 90% of men have a cock between 4.7 and 7 inches (at least in the country where I live. (Germany))
This defines what is normal, not what women on average have in bed when they have one night stands.
In a survey where women were asked to choose the ideal penis, they chose an average size of 6.5 inches. So the preferred one and the reality are actually slightly different. But it's also a fact that not every woman is built the same and some like it bigger and others smaller than that.

But I wonder why you are asking such a stupid question here? What do you want to achieve with it? I think you are just a bad person who enjoys hurting others. Do you generally have something against men or why do you do that? Imagine being a man with a small dick. What would you do? How would you feel if you read your question?

I can remember when I was about 13/14 years old and I had complexes and was wondering if my cock was big enough or if it would ever get big enough. If I had read your stupid question back then, it would have made me feel even more insecure.

The growth has started and my dick is now exactly the average in my country (5.7 inches). And that is normal and enough to satisfy 90% of women.

[dublin_sexyeyes0]

Well said

[Tonytoutouni123]

@dublin_sexyeyes0 Thanks buddy

[KristiBreaksTheRule]

lol every time I read purplepoppy's posts even when I like them they all sound like they are written by a really old woman who is quite bitter about men (I kid you not, just read her posts and picture your friend's divorced mother writing them, they suddenly make a lot more sense). Even the jokes are old housewives jokes, that's why some guys on here think she sounds "intelligent". Well if you are 60 year old pretending to be 19-20 using some amateur camsite's photo of course you sound mature and intelligent 😂. So I dont think you guys have to take her seriously considering the last time she had sex was probably 30 years ago.

[KristiBreaksTheRule]

oopsie meant to post that as my own opinion

[808state]

You’re intelligent. The OP is not. There’s not much else going on here.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Thank you bro

[david085]

She is stupid. I bet you if you asked her to tell you what 5 inches was she would measure 3.

[david085]

by the way 5.7 is well above average.

[Reaperbot666]

the size of a guys dick is a genetic lottery. we have almost no control over the size. and no real natural way to modify the size permanently. unlike the rest of our body where we can diet and exercise to modify how it looks.

girls can modify how they look naturally. from the neckline down with diet and exercise. including their butt and breasts to some extend. if they put in the effort and time to do so. can even tighten or loosen their own vagina to some extend.

if your talking vaginal. the average woman's canal is 3-4 inch deep when not horny. but can expand or stretch to 5-8 inch deep when horny. however some can go more those are just the average numbers.

average width of a woman's vaginal canal is 2-4 inch wide. but can stretch out more depending on her level of arousal. since it can typically expand to let out a baby after all.

the average woman's g-spot is only 1-3 inch deep inside her. so if a guy can hit that mark regularly. she should still feel a good amount of pleasure. might need a vibrating toy, cock ring or use fingers to hit the g-spot. since it can be a difficult angle to range. however good foreplay skills can tip the scale in his favor for sure. when it comes to pleasing a woman.

most girls who like 9+ inch typically do anal or oral more then vaginal. however there are those rare few. who can take one that big vaginally. with little or no discomfort.

[808state]

The end all of a relationship isn’t about a women getting off anyway. It’s about being happy with each other. Period.

[david085]

That is unverified. What is this based on. In medicine there exists no reliable information on this. That is why 45% of men are unhappy about their size because they believe misinformation on the internet. No woman could take 8 inches in length into her vagina. Aroused or not.

[EmoKate97]

tl;dr for guys who are crying about this and think women are bitches who only want big dicks...

OP is full of shit, women do not believe this irl
Anything thats in between 4-7 inches is perfect, anything bigger makes sex a chore
Clit stimulation > Being sexy > Dick size

[Tonytoutouni123]

"Anything thats in between 4-7 inches is perfect" I like your comment a lot. But i claim that’s not true. you went a little overboard here. No woman would think that dick is perfect if it was 4 or 5 inches. I would guess that a 4 inch dick is to small, and a 5 inch dick is ok for some women but definitely not perfect.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Maybe some Asian women find 5 inch penis perfect, because in some countries in asia the length is said to be only 4inches on average.

[MrOracle]

Nice troll, but you might as well say "every dick I've ever seen in porn is at least 8 inches, so clearly anything below 7 is tiny." That's scientifically invalid as well as being a logical fallacy: a combination between selection bias and frequency illusion bias.

It may be true that guys with bigger dicks are more likely to hit on you (and on every other girl), and thus get laid more often, and thus be more likely to be good at picking up girls, etc., and it may then be true that women encounter larger penises more often, but that doesn't make the statistics of overall average size wrong.

Math and science are math and science - the true stats don't change just because you have a preference or you wish that they could.

[ChurchOfSteel]

Well, looks like I win with 8". Wouldn't mind a bit more girth, though. In any case, I've never been that fascinated by dudes and their dicks.

As to the point, who cares. If they're insecure, they're insecure, and you should find a dude who doesn't give a fuck one way or another.

[razelove]

Umm, from your argument it's much more that women won't accept average as normal, yourself included. Which would work out alright for me if my size affected getting laid in the first place.

Women's breasts and hips give a pretty good idea of what you're getting before even approaching. For men you don't know what you're getting out of the grab bag until you reach in and feel something.

Unless you ask to see a dick on the first date because that's very important to you, it's on you if you feel disappointed or excited by what you find.

[Lliam]

My average size penis has made (experienced) women cum their brains out for hours. They wanted it as often as there was time in the day.

[MCheetah]

I may not agree with your politics and I generally think you're a man-hating feminist, but I gotta fully agree with you here. People love to put sh*ttiness ("average") on a pedestal. Obese women do it all the time, and guys with microdicks (less than 7") do it all the time, too.

The thing is, just because a man may be small, doesn't mean he can't please a woman in other ways. Too many guys rely solely on their dicks to get the job done (their tiny, TINY five or six inch dicks), and that is just one reason why they fail. They are selfish lovers and then try to excuse their selfishness on women being size-queens instead of them just having a tiny dick and not relying solely on it to please a woman.

In other words, we already KNOW most guys don't have the goods downstairs to please a woman. But it doesn't mean he CAN'T please a woman. He just needs to put away his tiny pecker for a second and start using his tongue, hands, fingers, and most importantly, his BRAIN!

[OnlyOneMe34]

Best yet!

[Kittyboy]

If not by the profile, I'd not even have considered this post from a woman but a guy into SPH.
Good thing is that you probably spared a dozen bucks to guys who would have begged a findomme to tell them the same thing with much less words and details, and even I that's not huge on mean humiliation compared to sub's average got a little bit of naughty fun at the read.
Bad thing is that's really a huge subject, pressure and life destroyer for many guys, that social pressure, virility norms, and media/porn representations are a really huge toll that leads to actual depression, anxiety and such issues, that can also lead to overall mysogynist and far-right radicalization by the most insecure men, which has real life repercussions on violence and abuse over women.
If that's a troll without actual mean intentions you can just make it obvious at the end of the read, and if you unironically think this, at least go brag on fetlife or SPH subreddits ffs...

[mistixs]

You can mostly control your weight but not your penis size so it's not an accurate comparison

[Billlewis]

Oh my heavens... how did I miss this question for so long? But I should know by now that you're well known for asking the most thoughtful questions;)

[TonyV]

Well it is normal, just cause by coincidence you've only ever interacted with larger than normal size penises dosent make that the new norm, that's anecdotal evidence, it means and proofs nothing.

Average =normal

The obesity comparison is a poor metaphor as well cause unlike people who over eat of whatever there problem is penises dont get any larger, small dick isn't caused by poor life choices.

Girls want more dick?, cool, i dont blame them but average=normal

[Tonytoutouni123]

100% my opinion

[BuckWild]

How big do you prefer your badgers? That is the question that preoccupies my mind. What is the purplepoppy ideal badger size?

[Jamie1865]

I assume it's to make dudes with small cocks feel better, like women with no tits feeling inadequate?
I don't know, I've always been told I've got a massive cock (during and after sex) and going by your chart - if I'm rock hard, then I'm a "Oh yea fuck me!" - so it's up to you to make sure you get me harder than Tungsten!

[pierre7i]

At 7.2" and living currently in Southeast Asian, where the average erect size of
local males is below 5" (yes, less than 5 inches !) it is noticeable how girls eyes widen with a combination of surprised fascination and trepidation when they see mine -- as Southeast Asian girls tend to be more 'petite' down there it does require patient & gentle inch by inch insertion in the initial phsse of sexual lovemaking.

Does it give me more confidence? Yes, but more than that it is especially pleasing to see the girls like the aesthetic appearance of the longer size -- to quite one girl on the first intimate occasion with her: "it looks so nice and so exciting"

[pierre7i]

*quote

[ChocoBrownieMonster]

I have a small boyhood but 2 of the highest quality of girls I never see on hookup apps fell in love with me without me even getting my dick wet. If it was 2inches longer I'd totally fail being loved and would just fuck lots of girls and treat them like meat. Is that really perfect? 😂

[TadCurious]

Poppy you're a very intelligent and humorous GaGer person and have actually written some insightful and helpful pieces about anal and different sex positions. But for whatever reason you like to troll about penis size. Apologizing morbid obesity to average penis size (which has been confirmed my multiple large sample size studies) is flawed. The one thing represents a serious health issue whereas having an erect penis length of 5 - 6 inches does not. With your talent for writing and your knowledge about sex, I don't know why you feel the need to put guys down for their penis size instead of writing more pieces like you did on sensual anal. You can employ seriousness and your funny sense of humor at the same time (or at least within the same post) without being a troll.

[TadCurious]

* Analogizing morbud obesity. . .

[TadCurious]

* Analogizing morbid obesity. . .

[Dragonstarterplus]

XFD What in the waht did I just read

[hyperben]

interesting take you have on it, the words normal/average dont really mean anything in the real world, the very large and the very small skew the figures so much that the guys in the 4-6" range are pretty much the most commonly owned penises, unless the same person measures all the penises, they are likely to be measured differently (mostly generously!) which again will make the figures a little off but unless said hot woman who is willing to make questionable choices in the alley behind a club has a ruler or tape measure, or has a vast wealth of penis size guessing based on experience, the size is fairly immaterial.

Men see penises all the time, gym changing rooms are probably the most likely scene, obviously there are not many erect dicks on show but we can see what is average without needing to be told by a girl behind a club, in the dark who, in reality has probably seen, 7-10 dicks total.

I co-ran a blog all about dicks, mostly health related and as a resource for variations and medical conditions and there was also an area for people to send pictures or questions in, the most common of course is "am I normal?", over the course of 10k+ submissions, "normal" (for what its worth using the term) looked a little under 6", lets call it 5 inches and a bit, anything 7" and above started to look pretty big, under 4" a bit small but still not uncommon. The very large dicks, 8"+ were rarer, much rarer than those under 3". guys with VERY small dicks tend to want to show them off, guys who see themselves as "just under (perceived) average" are probably less likely to have confidence so who knows what the real average looks like!

For what its worth, i'm 2", never hide the fact that I'm miniscule (I've posted waaaay too many nudes online to hide) but I have the confidence of a guy with a 12" dong, we are all different!

[Dargil]

I have what I have so it doesn't matter one way or the other.

[0112358]

Thank you for saying 7” are large. You’re a sweet girl.

[Bandit74]

Average may not be ideal or what women find satisfying, but by definition it is normal.