If a trans person wanted to be addressed by certain pronouns that aren’t biologically true to their sex, would do you do so?

[Anonymous]

[MrOracle]

If it was a acquaintance or business relationship, then I'd use their preferred pronoun, even though a part of my brain would rebel every time I did so. As long as they were polite and respectful about it, I'd be the same in return. I don't go out of my way to be mean or cruel or stir up trouble if it can be helped.

But if we were having a medical or political discussion, then I would stand my ground that they will always be the sex they were born as, regardless of how they dress, do their hair, modify their body, or what hormones they take, because that is in fact the truth - that's scientific fact.

I fully support their right to change their appearance and style and even alter their bodies if they wish, but ultimately, that's just the surface, and it doesn't change an XX-chromosome person into an XY-chromosome person, or vice versa, and it never will. And anyone who tells me that I "must" think or do otherwise will be invited to go fuck right off.

[Lliam]

If that individual personally asked me to, I would humor them.
I actually know one man who went through the entire transition to "female". I think it's weird, but it's not my job to judge. In fact, she's cool people. What's a trip is, he was married to a woman before he decided that he was (or wanted to be) a woman. His wife supported him. They're still married. Go figure.
I knew a guy who used to be a woman. You would never know by the way he looked. It never occurred to me until someone told me that he was born female. He was a super cool guy. So, again, even though I can't understand it, I don't have to. It's not my job to judge.

[Quackthulu]

I love it when people try to say that gender is biologically defined because as someone who has spent the last 3 years studying biology I can assure you that it is objectively false. As people, we like to fit things into nice neat little categories, but life doesn’t care, it just does what it does.

But if someone wants to present themselves as male or female I couldn’t care less. There are way more important things to worry about. The only times it’s an issue for me is when they expect my tax dollars to pay for unnecessary medical procedures. Or when someone gets angry after asking how they look and me being honest with them. If you are going to put on makeup a wig and a dress and ask to be called she/her fine, I don’t actually care. But if you ask if I think you are pretty imp going to judge you as I would any other woman, and you, are an ugly bitch.

[JDavid25]

Okay how it is not biologically defined then?

[Asker]

@JDavid25 I think Quack meant “gender,” but I was referring to “sex,” which is XY or XX. From my understanding, gender and sex are seen as two different things.

[Quackthulu]

@JDavid25 How is it? Chromosome types? Not all species uses X and Y chromosomes at all, and some switch it up. Gestation? Not applicable for all species and for some the male gestates the babies. How about sperm or egg production? The lines can also get really fuzzy there too. But let’s just focus on humans as that seems to be all anyone cares about. Most people will agree that an adult human with testacies, a prostate, a penis and high levels of testosterone and XY chromosome pair is a male. Right? Similarly an adult with ovaries, a uterus, a vulva, breasts, and high levels of estrogen and XX chromosome pair is a female. Nice and easy, two simple categories that everyone fits into… except they don’t. How about a person born with low levels of testosterone, a vulva, and testicles? Are they male or female? How about a person born with XYY chromosome triplet? Or one with an XY pair, with a fully functional female reproductive system and higher levels of testosterone? Yes, these are all real things. Feel free to look them up if you actually care that much. The point is that people don’t fit into nice neat little categories like we want them to.

[Quackthulu]

Oh no, it still isn’t that simple even if you just focus on the chromosomes.

[Asker]

@Quackthulu Yes, but are you sure you’re not just using anomaly cases to prove a general biological rule? I’m sure there are cases that make it ambiguous or difficult to determine someone’s sex but I’m also sure these are extremely rare. 99% of the time, everyone has a clearly defined biological sex no matter what they look like. Example: Only women can become pregnant, not men. Again, I’m sure there’s some phenomenally rare cases where this is somehow not true. Now GENDER is quite different than sex. You can be biologically male, but that’s the extent of your “maleness.” Everything else about you is female. Everything.

[Quackthulu]

Oh, those are just the extreme cases, and I’m not sure I wouldn’t call 1:1000 that much of an anomaly. The point is that sex is not a black and white issue. There is a spectrum. There are people with a vulva who produce sperm, there people born with a penis and a uterus. Even so would a person with XX chromosomes a female reproductive system but narrow hips no breasts, and excessive body hair still be considered as much of a female as one with bit ol titties thicc hips and silky smooth skin? How about someone born with an XY pair a functional male reproductive system, a no body hair and “childbearing” hips? Are they still a man? Point is there exists a very really, biological spectrum that people tend to ignore because apparently nearly 8,000,000 people living in the world today aren’t enough to make it anything other than just an “anomaly”

[Asker]

Well, I guess. You are the biology expert lol.

[Quackthulu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9RVS8cjNN0

[WowwGirl]

Me and you are the only ones who said no😂 @Quackthulu

[AzureGirl]

Of course, why wouldn’t I? It’s not a big deal to call someone by their desired pronouns.

[AzureGirl]

I have two answers, what?

[Asker]

Yeah, i accidentally made a clone or duplicate of this question, which subsequently got deleted. I have no idea how I made a duplicate but the system told me I did

[AzureGirl]

I swear this site is glitchy as hell sometimes

[Asker]

It”zure” is

[AzureGirl]

Nice one😂

[Asker]

😎😎

[NamerOfStars]

Probably. It's just a pronoun. It's not actually that important. If THAT MUCH of your sense of self is tied up in the sex people perceive you ask, you have far bigger problems.

[DizzyDesii]

Outside of a professional setting/business environment... i’d still refer to a male born as “he” or a female born as “her”

[Walrus_au]

what makes a professional setting different? Why would you respect their request in a business environ but not outside that?

[DizzyDesii]

@Walrus_au because i dont support their mental illness. Nuff said. No need to explain myself

[DizzyDesii]

Im not gonna get fired for disrespecting a customer in the workplace

[Walrus_au]

listen to your language, even you acknowledge that it is disrespectful. Even if we assume your assumption of mental illness stands up to scrutiny (it doesn't) then that translates to I'll play nice and take your money, but if I see you as ill I am going to shit on you when my shift is over.

[DizzyDesii]

@Walrus_au i wouldn't shit on them but if they ask me outside of work, then it is what it is. I just dont understand why you come asking me? I proudly believe what i believe. You should Ask the many “Men” below who said the same shit as me if not worse.

[Walrus_au]

Metaphorically "shit on them" what difference does it actually make to you what they prefer to be recognised as? I'm just trying to understand, seems like two very different standards. As to why not ask the asshats promoting violence and shit-headedness. I have asked their kind before, I know what answer I would get.

[DizzyDesii]

@Walrus_au the difference it makes is that they would be personally asking me to support their way of thinking (based off this question)... so no, i won't feed them by calling them what they “think” they are. If anything i’d say “they” like i always do (even at work). Its more respectful then me saying “it”.

[Walrus_au]

If say a Mary Johnson gets married to a Bill Smith. And I run into her later, she asks me to call her mrs smith. How is that different? I'd be disrespectful to call her Ms or Mrs Johnson at that point. It is still her name, she still owns it, but she wishes to be known by smith. Rudolf William Johannson wants to be called Billy as a short form of his middle name To ignore that I would be disrespectful of his wishes And in a workplace, you are willing to extend them the respect and courtesy of refering to them as they ask, but not elsewhere? How can you argue that that is not disrespecting them?

[DizzyDesii]

@Walrus_au if a gay couple marry and one dude wants to be the mom/wife... nah... if they ask me, ima refer to both as “dad/husband”. The point is, dont ask and i won't tell. They shouldn't expect respect and understanding from people who dont respect/understand their delusions. So im not disrespecting them. Im standing for what i believe. Dont ask and i won't tell. Hell, they’d be disrespecting me for begging me to lean their way. We should just all go our separate ways

[EddieVanHalen5150]

If it’ll make them feel more comfortable then yeah i would

[AzureGirl]

Of course, why wouldn’t I? It’s not a big deal.

[OlderAndWiser]

Hell no! I don't share that psychosis and I certainly don't want to encourage it!

[KeziL]

I would. I don't agree with it fundamentally, but being a jerk to them isn't gonna do anything, so I'll call them what they want.

[Soteris]

Who the fuck cares? Addressing someone has always been about showing manners and the choice of pronoun is based on what they want to hear rather than what you want to call them. It literally makes no difference if someone wants to be called by a different pronoun as long as you have a basic level of social competence.

[Dutchgirl97]

Id try as best as I could. Although its habit to refer to someone as he or she. Obviously Id probably slip up a few times. If they get angry and defensive about it- id quit talking to them and referring to them altogether.

[TonyV]

If you care about and respect them or dont but are in a situation where you have to respect them (like work) then use their preferred pronouns. If you don't care, dont have to care, dont have to talk to them then just dont talk to them, there is reason to argue and tell transblank that they were born blank and will always be blank.

I would. always use there pronouns, even if we're fighting cause I dont stupe to those blows, no reason not too.

[Cherokeehp]

Yeah sure. Why not? It won’t kill me to just call them by their chosen pronouns.

[Astarlessnightsky]

I don't see any reason why i would refuse that.

[normalice]

I mean, I'd try but I can't even get my own name right half the time so if I slip that's just tough shit. The simple fact is I would be pretending every time I used preferred pronouns. It's a really low effort pretense, but it is not effortless, and slips will occur.

[Lyndsielee666]

Literally costs you nothing to be respectful towards another person

[Asker]

So, to what extent would you take this? If someone identified as a dragon, would you refer to them as “dragon?” Pretend that they’re actually serious about being called dragon

[Lyndsielee666]

If it makes them happy then why wouldn’t I...

[Asker]

So, if I told you to call me “daddy” because I identify as that then would you call me as such?

[Lyndsielee666]

I don’t talk to you literally at all but sure 🤷‍♀️ If it makes you happy.

[The_little_gay_robin]

Of course, this question highlighted so many assholes for me to block😂

[Avaemmaa]

Yes I would

[ecfresh]

Of course, it’s polite

[Ellie-V]

Yes. It costs me nothing to be respectful and kind.

[Just_a_human]

Probably not. I would probably just use "they" as a nice middle ground

[slatyb]

I will call anyone anything they like. But people asking to be addressed as singular they/them should be forgiving of mistakes.

[Kaneki05]

Of course. I ain't a petty bitch who say's you cannot be this gender when by fact there tons of evidence you can be. So i will call you that however if your gonna say your dragon or something that isn't proven by fact can happen due to hormone balance then no. But something that is legit proven why wouldn't i. And then people who say well disorders shouldn't be encouraged 1st it don't hurt anyone, 2nd other creatures do this all the time, 3rd seems like more step in evolution if you ask me.