How true is this... When women suffer abuse, there is an uproar, riots, protesting. When men suffer abuse, Nothing?

[Anonymous]

I feel like its true. One only has to look at the Amber Heard case as an example. She needed only make the accusation against Depp and his life is destroyed, and she is seen as a hero.. When in reality her entire narrative was stolen from a story her assistant told her about an ex. It took hundreds of pieces of evidence, audio recordings, videos, and witness statements to give him a voice, and even then he is still fighting while she is playing the victim.

I will make this personal too.. As a man i have been ridiculed because i suffered domestic violence at the hands of my ex. She was controlling, and violent, i have the scars on my face to prove it. When i reported it, i was threatened with jail time.. I was asked what i did to deserve it.. I was called weak, a pussy.. I was told that i needed to man up.. I guarantee if i were a woman this would not have happened.

Another situation.. A 12 year old boy was raped by his baby sitter.. This baby sitter got pregnant with his baby, He was made to pay, on his 18th birthday, THOUSANDS of dollars of back child support. The judge in the case said, "He was man enough to have sex, he is man enough to pay" When he was 12.. Imagine how the story would be different if it were a little girl that this happened to.. Imagine how different it would be.. The guy that got her pregnant would be unlikely to survive prison..

https://law.justia.com/cases/kansas/supreme-court/1993/67-978-3.html

[Mystic_Nova]

The ones who mocked and deride the male victims, are majorally, other men.

The amount of male victims who have told how their fathers and brothers belittled their experiences and wondered why they disnt fight back or believe them. And the amount of men who comment on female teachers coming after their male as tude is ts, saying how lucky those guys are and how they wish it was them, are disgusting. Its actually women who are more sensitive about male victims.


There is even an experiment where a child girl and boy where having fake wedding pictures taken in public, with a fully adult partner, the little girl had both men and women coming up to defend her, while the little joy, had men giving him high fives and smiling.


That's the reality of male victims. Women get treated more from society for being victims, because women made it so that we get treated assuch, because women had little say back in the day, due to women having little powerover their lives. Fact.


Males, while the times are getting better for male victims and some are more comfortable with speaking up, still have a lo g way to go. And it has to do with a lot of men, sexualizing the acts. They dont take it seriously and actually wish it upon themselves. ONLY when its a BJJ other man doing the raping and abuse, do men show a little more sympathy. Buy even then, they get told why they didn't fight back.

[Mystic_Nova]

Also, in the experiment. Women where more likley to stand up for the young boy

[Asker]

then why was it a female officer that threatened to arrest me, and jail me when i was the one with the sliced up face.. Why was it the female doctor that asked me "what did you do to deserve this" when i went in for just under 100 stitches on my face..

[Mystic_Nova]

Considering I dont know your whole story, I'm taking it with a grain of salt. If tour girl really was violent, I'm sorry and you dont deserve that. But, I dont know the whole story more the details of the doctor and police officer. Doctors for sure aren't suppost to say that kind of thing. So, I'm assuming she said, "what did you do to get the scars. Because guys coming in with bruises and scars that need stitches isn't rare, eapcuallybwhen they do silly pranks and play games that get them hurt. And like I said, I never stated that women DONT blame men and such. I SAID that men are the ones who are the majority that dont think much of issues of women violence and asilt on men.

[Mystic_Nova]

And as a society, why people generally dont see women violence on men, as a serious thing a they should, is due to the world wide view that women are weaker and men having the upper hand. So, when people see men getting hurt by women, they think that men is a weakling and a "simp", while women are more taken care of, because we are seen as helpless victims and most likley to jot being able to defend ourselves.

[Mystic_Nova]

While it sucks, it's just how life is right now and most likley will AWLAYS be. Men will always be considered the stronger sex and more likley to be the predator and the more likley to defend himself, due to how men always like to point out, that men have more muscle mass and testosterone. The sad fact is, you can always change the laws, but, you can't change people's idea on reality, on a whim. That takes generations of people thinking the fact to be real, which, won't happen. It's the many disadvantages and advantages that the two genders have. While being the "stronger" sex, comes with many advantages, it comes with the price of being seen as capable of defending yourself from attackers, especially from the "weaker" sex, which is women.

[Asker]

I get what you mean.. my issues are more in the line of.. When men attempt to get support.. We simply cannot.. Have you ever tried to call a DV hotline? I have, I did while i was with the ex (never ever laid a finger on her by the way, i dont practice violence on those i care for). When i called the DV hotline i was informed that they dont help men.. I called again and got someone else. They repeatedly tried to steer the conversation toward me getting help for hurting someone.. when i was getting hit on a daily basis.. Additionally when DV is nearly a 50/50 issue between the genders.. Here in the states there is literally only a single solitary DV shelter for men, while there are thousands for women.. If you're a male, you cannot get help, if you're a male child victim of dv, the moment you hit age 13, no shelter will help you.. oh and the one single DV shelter for men, its privately funded, because public funds simply are not available for male DV shelters.. What i am trying to get at here is that if there are facilities availble they need to be available to both genders.. full stop, et NOW (the national organization for women) a feminist organization fight against it, just like they fight against men being seen as equal parents when a marriage falls apart, Just like they fight against changing the rape definition to include men.. Its systemic, its bullshit, its evil.

[Mystic_Nova]

Yes, it is evil. And just like what women did, we fought for those shelters, we fought for our voices to be heard, even if it came off as annoying. Nothing is stopping men from doing the same. Also, more men are in power and places where they can actually help, if they wanted to. This is where it comes down to. Men already think that them confessing their issues is seen as weak, so, I think men need to be the ones to make the big leap to the future. While I dont agree with what feminanazis do to male shelters, I'm more of a egalitarian, they are able to get away with it, because male shelters don't have the support of enough men to fight back, because men dont generally care. They may complain, but they don6t do anything to change it. While there are Male groups who want change, there isn't enough of a support group to make the change. And I really dont see there being enough men right now who will make the jump, because the idea of being seen as someone who needs help, isn't worth the effort to many many men.

[Mystic_Nova]

Also, some fun history, the fun idea that men can't show their feelings and need to be mentally and physically strong, comes from the long history of men being called to war at any given notice. While women were seen as "weak" and they were crucial to having kids, men had to reliable soldiers, ones who wouldn't run away and will protect their village, country, etc. While it was needed back in the day, this mindset isn't that much needed in today's world. However, that mindset hasn't changed for many many people. Men today still hold this mindset due to fathers passing it on to their sons, and so fourth. So, it all has to come down to changing the mind set of men not needing help and them having to always mentally strong and capable.

[Asker]

Its not just there aren't enough men that support it.. DV Shelters are Government funded. Meaning the government funds these places. The single dv shelter for men in Arkansas is privately funded. When he applied for government funding he was denied and told that funds are only available to women.. Here is another piece of info for you. Watch some videos of christina hoff sommers. she's a feminist professor and one of the VERY few feminists i respect. Her talks and lectures have gotten shut down by so called feminists, because she stands up for boys and men.. When we do talk, we are silenced.. Watch the red pill too ( no its not a sexist movie like feminists would have you believe) it interviews these men that have suffered, and that speak out about it.. it shows public speeches getting protested and shut down by people who think they are sexist. When her movie was due to be in theaters, feminist groups protested to shut it down and succeeded in many places.. The maker of the movie is Caissie Jaye, She was a feminist, not any more, Not after how she was treated for trying to stand up for men.. now do you speak out when its shut down constantly.. How do you get help when you are shut down constantly.. Men of the US right now are treated like garbage.. it has to end..

[Mystic_Nova]

And to sum up what you said about men not getting support. Men won't, u till men make it so men are more capable of getting such support. Women have men trying to open up more, while some might belittle men who do, the majority of us alwysbpesturw our fathers, brothers, husbands and boyfriends to talk to them more and to speak up more, that's why in a lot of counseling sessions for marriage, communications is the nu number one concern with many couples. Men, just need to finally WANT to be able to open up. And to want the support to be available when they need it, many dont seem to want it, UNTIL something like getting daped or beaten by a women, happens to THEM. But, at that point, thwrebisnt the support to have, because they disnt bother to do something before the incident. And I really wish it wasn't like that. Lord knows I'd want my friend, cousins, husband, father, etc to have the help they need of something where to happen, but, it won't be there, until someone makes the leap to make it so.

[Mystic_Nova]

Aldo. Its because there osnt enough of men support to give men a chance. Men make up the majority of supreme justice judges, lawmakers, mayors etc. On top of men as citizens, with enough of them, they can protest, petition, etc. All the things you stayed, is dur to not enough support from individuals. When you can the support willing to fight, anyone can get taken down. Even feminists who like to cancel things they dont agree with

[Mystic_Nova]

There was a time where law makers didn't want women owning businesses I'm us. A time where women couldn't vote. A time where women couldn't work. There was no funding, no support of the government and the en shit down meetings, protests, and turned women away left and right. And look where we are now. Men CAN make a ssf difference, BUT only if the fight for it

[Taylor_C]

You're absolutely right. Presupposing the woman is the victim with no further evidence, is nothing short of discrimination, not only against men, but also against women, as the latter is seen as helpless victims unable to take care of themselves. The case with the 12 year old boy is outrageous. The woman is a rapist, and should not be allowed to have custody of a child. The poor child should have been seized and adopted out.

[Asker]

completely agree.

[Anonymous]

Gotta love how some women try to blame all of this on men, which is complete bullshit. Women are absolutely every bit as much to blame for this issue as men are, and more so in some ways. The mystic nova chick here is constantly posting shit about how everything is men's fault and nothing is women's fault. It's her MO. Just ignore her shit man.

[Poppykate]

The world is f@#ked up! I really hate women who fabricated stories! It makes it harder for those true victims to get the help that they need. I am sorry that you didn’t get the support you needed, especially from those professional services that should have provided more support. They need to stop seeing gender, and start seeing an individual’ in need of comfort and support.

[Asker]

agreed!!

[Screamsgutter]

Notice she said it makes it harder for real victims to come forward (women), but didn't mention anything about the victims (men) of the fabrication.

[Hannah_98]

Agreed. It’s effed up and a complete double standard.

[Asker]

Agreed. No matter the gender, if abuse happens the one abused deserves support, and the abuser deserves consequences.

[Mynameisbobby]

So true!!

[gibgabbs]

This should be in the society and politics section

[Asker]

i know i put it there but they put it in sexuality instead.

[Anonymous]

They don't really want equal treatment. I we treated them the way we treat men they'd be complaining about abuse

[Anonymous]

When a poor person is robbed of $100, it's terrible. When a billionaire loses $100, it isn't notable. Go figure.

[Asker]

your comment is irrelevant to the topic at hand.. Theft is not abuse.. its theft.