If sex is such a highly desired commodity how can you claim that men hold a totally unequal balance of power?

[Ironlak282]

First let me acknowledge that women have and are historically oppressed when it comes to employment, education and so many other things. That said apparently people think about sex at least 19 times a day, it’s everywhere in society and women seem to be able to atain it significantly more easily.

[MCheetah]

I'm just going to take my comment I posted and use it as a response to this question.

A lifetime of harsh treatment from people, especially women, have left me, personally, loathing my physical appearance and how I look. Always being told from women, I'm too short, too dark-skinned/black, too ugly, not fit enough cause I lacked abs, not wealthy enough, etc. For literally my entire twenties, I was depressed by this and felt like I was unworthy of love, and would die alone (and coming from a broken home with an abusive mother certain contributed to this feeling, as I don't think I've ever been loved by anyone before).

But I turned that anger and sadness into fire and fury, and made something out of myself with it. I'm still a work in progress, but it's taught me a valuable life lesson: most women ain't sh*t. We spend our whole lives being told we have to be valuable tools and pawns for the human race, by finding a female partner, and making kids with them, serving your entire existence devoted to others: your boss, your country, your family, your wife, etc. The idea of a man chasing his own dreams and desires is viciously attacked and suppressed by society, most of all, from feminists, who are both too incompetent and too miserable to ever see non-millionaire men rise above being pawns and work horses that keep running every day.

I'm not telling you to go MGTOW. I myself am not MGTOW. But I AM telling you to stop putting pussy on a pedestal. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 26, and after I banged some cute redhead I barely knew, my only thoughts; the thing spiralling in my head was, "Huh... That was it." Sex is SO overrated; you have no idea. What we, as men, think we want, is often not the case. You're usually only going to be one of two types of men: a slave to pussy cause you've been getting it regularly since you were 16, or a lonely gentleman deemed "unworthy" to bang chicks at the bar to the point you've over-romanticized what sex and love is, and built up this illusion in your head of sex being better than your hand and PornHub... In most cases, it is not. Maybe with someone you genuinely love. But sex is legitimately in the same category as alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco: not as important as you think and something you don't need too often, if at all.

Sex is a "highly desired commodity" for men. It's literally the origin of all life for us. However, it is not all that life is. Usually, just like with fast food, alcohol, weed, tobacco, and gambling, casual sex is usually just filling a depressed hole in our souls for the lack of something better and greater. And with how f*cked up society is, who can blame you. This is why MOST Westerners enjoy such vices. And sure, since our particularly dystopia doesn't have Soma prescriptions, if you need a small hit to get you by, from a hooker, McDonalds, your weed dealer, etc, then fine. I won't judge you. It's when you start CHASING IT do you become an addict. Also, you're not an "addict" if you indulge in something that is healthy for you, and relatively cheap to free. All vices have drastic downsides, especially sex. Whether they're draining you financially, physically emotionally, or spiritually.

Women have far, far fewer-but-more-risky downsides to sex addiction; namely, just unwanted pregnancy and potential rape. Men's downsides to sex addiction are far more numerous, including STD's, and breaking one's spirit and liveliness, like what almost happened to me.

(cont.)

[MCheetah]

(cont.) There are some rules modern men need to come to the long realization of, on their own. One is, society is f*cked up and not worth appealing to. The second one applies to most women (or men, if you're attracted to them). People make up society, so if society is messed up, so are the people in it. There's ways to get your sexual fulfillment that doesn't physically involve other people and I think you already know what they are. You may be craving love and companionship too, but as I said, society is messed up. Good luck on finding that anywhere else but within yourself. And it's taken me a long time, but frankly, I'm glad this is the case only for men. Because men can eventually handle it. Well, some men, anyway. Hardships create hard men, and frankly, too many men are soft and beta, nowadays. I'm going through my own trial-by-fire, but I'm ready to eventually emerge as a phoenix when it's all said in done. I'm 33, and feel like I'm only now understanding the true lessons of life. There's more to it than what I've said (or what some Jordan Peterson substitute-father type will charge you $100 to tell you), but the gist is, "YOU CAN ONLY TRUST AND RELY ON YOURSELF IN THIS WORLD." No one else. This was a long-ass way to say, stop relying on sex and women for happiness. Yes, men got the raw deal (no pun intended) out of sex and courtships. But hell, at least we don't have periods or pregnancies. So that's somewhat of an equalizer. I do believe men and women are equals in society. Women get to be the givers and creators of all human life (sex, dating, and love, included), and men get everything else. Fair enough, I'd say. Start taking advantage of it instead of being mad some five out of ten bitch on Tinder won't give you the time of day. You're a man! Take advantage of that! Society tries to tell us time and time again to bow down to the elites that run it and their bullsh*t. TL;DR: Live your own life to the fullest and stop worrying about pussy.

[PrudentGuy]

sadly this is the way society place "value" on things.

E. g. most highly valued things are Cash, otherwise gold, otherwise blue chip shares. (Somehow anything that can be converted to cash easily is valued.)

Yet, things that once valued in society are how diluted in value.

E. g. honesty, valor, trust
worthiness, even acts of kindness, patience, love were once treasured but not now.

And in context, sex. The Chinese has literature recording how kingdom rose and fell because of women, more specifically women who are sexy and offered themselves into seduction.

Yes, sex did play a part in the Western cultures as well.

But somehow, society does not value "sex" as highly. Perhaps married guys get it for free? Perhaps modern girl slept around? (Hence the value drop?)

In true perspective, sex has its place in society and more specifically men's life as individuals.

And indirectly, women do have control over men. And for better or for worse, many did use that control over men.

[EmoKate97]

I'm sorry but i just don't take these "its not fair, i want sex" questions seriously.

And first off i don't think about sex 19 times a day, you do because your a horn dog. And women have to be picky because we can get pregnant. Dudes can, and DO hit it and quit it and don't care about what happens after, shit part of why i got an IUD is because a guy lied about wearing a condom and if i didn't happen to notice it by chance my life would be completely different.

Also i don't like how people who say this stuff try to make it seem like they're all for "equality" and not projecting / being butmad girls don't fuck them. If you're really about equality this shouldn't even be a question because you should value the girl herself and not talk to girls just to have sex with her. Like, men have a totally legit way to get pussy that's at least honest and doesn't hurt women, they're called prostitutes ffs. And go ahead and look at my profile and say "HURR YOU FUCK BLACK GUYS YOU CAN'T TALK" i don't care, it doesn't make what i said untrue.

Dudes need to stop being so mad at women for not getting laid, it doesn't help you, in fact it makes your situation worse because your resentment makes you less appealing. Focus on yourself and being a cool dude and socialize and someone will fuck you. Its so annoying that people do this or like get so mad at Belle Delphine (who deserves entrepreneur respect) but they completely ignore the thousands of lames who give her money or are only trying to fuck girls and not appreciate them.

[MCheetah]

You sound like such a feminist; ignoring all the overwhelming positives women get in modern Western society, and dismissing the legitimate negatives men have. It's bitchy as hell, to be honest. I don;t agree with the incel, "entitled to sex" either, but you act like loneliness, depression, and feeling unwanted is something to laugh at or dismiss just because you very likely will never have to be in that position yourself. And please let's not bring up "equality" because objectively, men have LESS privileges in every Western country in the world than women do. Men just don't bitch about it like feminists do, because the male mindset is to "improve yourself to get what you want," not "whine until you get your way" like literally all third/fourth wave feminists do. You laugh and ridicule this notion of men wanting to be with a companion (or at least "get laid"), but I bet you money you'd do the same thing to MGTOW's (Men Going Their Own Way; who swear off relationships with women for good) for the same reasons, despite it being the exactly approach you're implying incels do. And honestly, your feminist f*ck-men attitude is exactly why so many men are going MGTOW nowadays. I'm all for people having opposing opinions and all, but you just come off as such a heartless person, it's hard for me to metaphorically keep my mouth shut. Add to the fact you think Bell Delphine deserves respect and you've got "Fourth wave Twitter feminist who cams and simps losers out of money" written all over you. They're the types of women who sh*t over male depression and loneliness, while also thinking (left-leaning) women in 2020 somehow don't have equality, let alone supremacy in mainstream society.

[MCheetah]

(Cont.) The part where you said "be a cool dude and socialize and someone will f*ck you" also shows you know nothing about men, let alone how WOMEN operate. If only if was that easy. The irony, however, is that dudes who DO focus on themselves usually gain the epiphany that women (specifically, relationships) are more trouble than they're worth and the few times an enlightened man WOULD want sex, is to just hire an escort, like you said. Or super-ironically, use and abuse women like you in a bout of cosmic karma. After reading your bio, I think I understand you now. You do the same thing feminists do: projection. Projection fueled by massive insecurity. Which is ironic. But you admit you're a walking contradiction. As am I. I'm not afraid of anyone or anything, but years (literally a lifetime) of harsh treatment from people, especially women, have left me loathing my physical appearance and how I look. But I turned that anger and sadness into fire and fury, and made something out of myself with it. I'm still a work in progress, but it's taught me a valuable life lesson: most women ain't sh*t. Someone like you would resent that because it kills off simps and cucks, which is your lifeblood. But it's also what makes future Alpha Males, which again, ironically, are the type of men women want most, including what you, from what you've implied.

[Ironlak282]

We’re all adults here, as long as someone leads a productive life I don’t see how thinking about sex a lot is bad. “Horn dog” that’s just oppressing sexuality how is that any different than calling someone a slut? Try to make it seem? I wasn’t trying I was being honest. Never said guys weren’t mad about this the same as when women are mad when things seem unfair.

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah like, its hard for me to get muster up enough energy to reply because talking someone who openly resents you because of your sex is just so draining, but at the same time its cool if you can maybe get 1 tiny thing through that person or be so reasonable/logical that person has to respect you a little so fuck it. first off i'm not a feminist or redpilled or woke, if you insist on labeling me you're not going to be arguing with what i say, you're going to be arguing against "feminist" and that's retarded. "men have LESS privileges in every Western country" This is so laughable it barely warrants a reply. i'll tell you what you mean, you "mean" that it feels like men are prosecuted more, which is true. The reason why however is that men commit almost all violent crimes, men are also scientifically proven to lie more (prefrontal cortex in men is different then women) and based on that alone, its easy for a society to give women the benefit of the doubt, like like how its easier for people to want a male leader or expert.

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah Really men have it better and worst, women operate in a safe middle ground. like i know the common argument is "men work more dangerous jobs like firefighters, oil rigs" but really those are 2-5% of the male population, when you say the real shit that those dangerous jobs are actually trucking and warehouse working (me by the way, i do manual labor) then they don't sound as glamorous and cool. But you are ignoring that men tend to WANT to do exciting and dangerous jobs, firefighters, the military, pilots are volunteer and there are better ways to make money, speaking of which most CEOs, supervisor, lawyers, politicians are men, the few female politicians get lots of support because there aren't a lot to begin with. That said, really you're resentment is towards the men at the top, not women. They're "oppressing" you not us. And if you're ugly or aren't charismatic or you're poor, i'm sorry but that's straight up capitalism, if you got a shitty end of the stick and you aren't selling something else then nobody is going to buy / give you pussy dude.

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah about depression, it sucks honestly and do feel bad but like, with respect.. its not my problem. and because these issues are connected i will say i don't think its fair to vote for a female just because she's female or force games to have a strong female character just because, the point is a libertarian one and that is; Don't trend on me dude You're depressed because you can't get pussy? That sucks, but don't blame me for that, i didn't cause your depression. Like, i have big tits and people want to fuck me so yea its easy for me to socialize, if you want to fuck me but i say no there is no oppression or violation of rights for rejecting you, but you're saying in your head i have to fuck you or i'm violating your rights somehow. No, just no. I have the right to fuck who i want to fuck (dark ass black men) and if people want to treat me better PURELY because i'm a girl, that's not on me that's on them as long as i don't treat people shitty i don't have any blame in your depression. Blaming me, or ALL women for depression is ass, you're implying i'm guilty and need to give up pussy to "absolve" myself of guilt. Fuck. That. You're the oppressor not me.

[EmoKate97]

@ironlak282 fair enough, i shouldn't talk either because i legit love posting about my sex life. but the problem is that OP isn't geninue but trying to pretend it is, and it should be rephrashed "i want girls to fuck me more" when again, sex is capitalistic

[MCheetah]

"This is so laughable [women have more rights and protections than men], it barely warrants a reply."

Much like gravity, it is objective reality, regardless if you believe in it or not. (And no; not an MRA in case you try to throw that at me.) If you're not a feminist, you sure are naive like one.

- "Rape" is still defined by law as unwanted forceful vaginal penetration.
- Women have 100% of parental rights in children. While women do birth the child with their own bodies, they cannot create children themselves, yet still have literally ALL of the power in whether tha child is birthed or not.
- Women in almost no Western countries, have to sign up for selective service, but still get the right to vote.
- Women initiate divorce more than three-quarters of the time and still get he overwhelming support in alimony because of it.
- Women are still believed 95%+ of the time during police calls of domestic abuse, even when complete c*nts like Amber Heard, are doing the abusing.
- Speaking of which, men are the MAJORITY of domestic abuse and rape victims. The thing is, no one takes it seriously when a woman abuses a man, and no one cares whatsoever when men are raped in prison (which is why they are the victims more often; it's the only place in the West that has a legitimate "rape culture").
- Women get more legal protections when the victim of a crime and less prison time when the perpetrator of a crime, especially if they are white and conventionally attractive, even if this involved statutory rape!

These are literally just the top ones I can think of. There are more:

old.reddit.com/.../

[Ironlak282]

I posted it the way I did because it’s an issue that effects men. That said I actually don’t know what the cause of it is. It takes too to tango so why do average women receive so much attention compared to average guys?

[Ironlak282]

Actually it’s not just average guys I think even really good looking guys get considerable less attention at least if you look at social experiments done online

[MCheetah]

I am not saying I resent anyone; that's you projecting again. I am not complaining, either. 'm merely speaking objective facts in the face of BS and misinformation. I wouldn't complain that men have to do the hard stuff in society because frankly, SOMEONE has to, and well... Not to sound "sexist," but even women don't trust women mechanics and laborers. It's just how it is. But when you say "men don't have it worse," I'm merely pointing out how that's not true. Like, it's LITERALLY not true. But as I said, the difference is, men are more stoic and don't complain about it, where as weak-willed women (feminists) complain about the most minor first-world non-existent problems, it's insane. I don't think you're a feminist now, because a feminist would never admit that men suffer at all, whatsoever, so you've demonstrated some level of logic, at least. I also don't think you hate men. But the stuff you initially said was pretty cruel and contributes to the bigger problem society is ignoring that men DO suffer and those going through depression and what not, often due to a lack of love or companionship, just get dismissed as pussies, incels, betas, etc. No, you don't have to be as bad as a self-loathing feminist-obeying beta to still be depressed and all in society. You know the f*cked up thing? I kinda think we could have a rational discussion here. Maybe we have more in common than I thought (especially after reading your bio and theorizing much of what you say probably comes from your own place of pain, a I've been there). But I'm sorry; that initial answer pissed me off. Too many people in society just keep going "Stop being an incel for wanting love, sex, and companionship, ya f*cking incel!" Then when the guy offs himself like Zoe Quinn's false rape accused guy, no one cares. THAT pisses me off.

[MCheetah]

And I forgot to mention: I totally agree with you that capitalism f*cks both men and women into the dirt. Literally always has in society. Black women who have millions, like Oprah Winfrey, have infinitely more power than your typical "straight white male" working at Subway. So I 100% agree with you on that.

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah i'm literally laugh irl at your cringe, yes i am laughing at your male oppression because its funny to me. Men are so weak and dumb i'm so glad we're oppressing them, like i think im going to tell a man to punch a brick or i'm going to say he's sexist, or walk up to 2 male officer and take his gun and point it at them and threaten them with false rape accusations unless they suck each others dicks. Dude you're reaching so hard with the "the definition of rape" stuff holy shit lol, too bad you lack reading comprehension or else you'll notice that i already addressed these. Like, its kinda sad to just let someone live in their own ignorance and prejudice, but at the same time it's kinda funny to know that there's just people out there who refuse to enjoy life and thinks sex is a measurement of his success and thinks he's being charismatic or helping his cause by being anti-social, and will probably never reproduce unless its with someone just as desperate as them in their mid 30s ok but fr i'm going to go oppress some DUMB ASS MEN now, because i just love oppressing men, hell yes!

[MCheetah]

"i don't treat people shitty i don't have any blame in your depression. ... Blaming me, or ALL women for depression is ass, you're implying i'm guilty and need to give up pussy to 'absolve' myself of guilt." Nobody said any of this, or blaming you for how they feel. You are literally projecting this out into the ether and creating a strawman (straw-woman?). Nobody is also referring to YOU personally, which is why I strongly suggest much of this is projection, because you seem very defensive about it, as if someone is attacking you personally for not "giving it up" for them. Again, I almost kind of feel like we can be friends in some f*cked up way, because I can understand WHY you're saying everything you're saying and if I was a 23 year old white chick, would probably have felt that same way and made excuses for myself before finally getting over it and stopped blaming other people for my own problems. 19 year old me probably COULD be called an incel (the "desperate for sex" term, not the far-left new term for "misogynist/non-feminist"), but I got over that crap a long time ago. Also, the irony in that I AM a black dude who fits your physical description of your "type" of men.

[MCheetah]

@EmoKate97 Again, in some f*cked up way, I feel like we could've been friends because I can relate to a lot of what you're saying, but as I said, my thoughts came from a place of insecurity and pain when I used to be as cold and callous as you seem to be. The whole "Life treated me like sh*t, so I won't care if others get treated badly the same; I'm only about myself" attitude. The irony - or projection as I said - is that you're claiming men "are blaming women for not getting laid," but saying that from out-of-nowhere basically, which means you've probably had people telling you that before, and are spewing it back out at OP as if he was just another dude you've met before who treated you badly. Or in other words, Eye For An Eye. You may have gone through some stuff in life, but being as dismissive and heartless towards others is kind of implying it was all for nothing, rather than learning how to be a kinder person because of it. (I don't know you personally and very well may be wrong; but your words here don't suggest you're a kind of empathetic person whatsoever.) That just means more women will get treated badly like you in the future, and more men treated badly, too. Are you fine with that?

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah wow dude, it looks like you said some important stuff, too bad i didn't read any of it. Just accept that girls rule and men drool, like you're nothing but my BITCH.

[MCheetah]

EmoKate97: "Straight up, i use this account to sex post, I don't know why but telling people about my sex life makes me feel empowered and helps my insecurity, and i know that's probably why you're reading this lol. irl i have bad anxiety and need meds, people think i'm weird because i'm honest about myself, it seems like i have no shame... I'm a fun contradiction, i'm "super confident" but at the same time anti-social. ... i have horrible habits like taking xanax which kill my anxiety and judgement. That said, more often i'm wasting my time gaming, because video games are more interesting then real life. i got social anxiety from 50 people watching me play video games. I'm mostly in my dorm so i like to go out when i can, i haven't really grown out of the emo phase yet and i'm really bored and lonely at college" Also, EmoKate97: "It's kinda funny to know that there's just people out there WHO REFUSE TO ENJOY LIFE... and will probably never reproduce unless its with someone just as desperate as them in their mid 30s" No, I guess I was totally wrong about the projection, self-loathing, defensiveness, feminist attitude, and inner bitterness being spewed onto others, after all. (Unless you're a pro-level troll.) Guess I owe you an apology then. But for real, I hope you have a better, happier life in the future. Being miserable and hedonistic is going to f*ck you up something awful once you're speeding into 30 like a runaway bullet train. At least, hopefully others can see this exchange and maybe get something out of it.

[EmoKate97]

@MCheetah dam dude, when they post your hot af profile and try to misdirect with the "but for real have a nice day" cover bullshit you know they're mad af. look dude, i know its hard and your mad af, but seriously its not worth living your life hating women. like even if the "based and redpilled" propaganda you believe was true (its not) just go with the hand you were dealt and try to roll with it. fuck women, don't ever deal with them and just nut in a call girl. you only live once, don't waste your time with feeling resentful

[genericname85]

the mechanisms by which people choose their sexual mates is different for men and women. women don't have "more power". they just choose differently.

[Ironlak282]

Yer they probably do choose differently but you don’t think the average woman receives more attention from potential mates? I’m totally open on this but it seems that way.

[genericname85]

yes but that doesn't mean they have more power. i'd argue men have more power, cause women can't actually really do shit. if they are ugly, they'll have a very hard time. as a man, what makes you attractive for women is status and competence. those are things that can be trained to optimize, so you choose how much power you have. if you're a woman and just ugly by nature, you're pretty much out of options. bound to go for low value men with no options to improve your situation.