Kenosha Shooter: was he justified?

[OddBeMe]

He’s a gun/Trump worshipper, who put himself in the middle of an angry protest. Police Chief called him an “instigator”, FYI. Even he was pushed by a crowd, doesn’t mean he has the right to open fire. Also I watched his FB videos of him masturbating over his guns. Pathetic.

[hellacray]

They tried to grab his rifle, they assaulted him, and someone in the crowd shot at him first...

He had every right to open fire. I don't understand in CHAZ there were idiots that shot down an SUV containing two teens...

There was even audio where one of the people said along the lines of it was a shame he ran out of bullets. No news coverage and no one got mad. And the kicker is that the two teens were black... Mmhmm BLM everybody.

But... Now this kid was being attacked while he was helping defend businesses. And he's labeled as a murderer and white supremacist.

Yes let's never use guns ever. Let's have criminals shoot and beat us until we're half dead before even considering of drawing our guns. Afterall they're just "protesting" so they can do all these things. How dare people getting in the way of their "protests" by defending businesses and stopping crime on the streets.

In case you can't tell I'm being sarcastic... I know some people chanting BLM and calling the kid a white supremacist probably can't process sarcasm with their tiny sheep like brains.

[OddBeMe]

No one in the crowd shot at him. They tried to disarm him with a skateboard.

[hellacray]

www.tmj4.com/.../attorneys-representing-kyle-rittenhouse-say-he-was-wrongfully-charged-after-acting-in-self-defense

[OddBeMe]

You realize that’s his attorney’s “spin”, right?

[hellacray]

Ok... So you believe all the news calling him a white supremacist, but him explaining what happened is a "spin." Yeah ok...

[OddBeMe]

The link you posted was from his attorney. I don’t believe everything I read. I look at the sources.

[hellacray]

Mmhmm alright you know what you can trust whatever source you want. You want to believe he's a white supremacist hunting protestors like the news has claimed go ahead.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well considering that he joined a group that was protecting private property and businesses from the violent rioters and looters, was violently attacked by one which he then defended himself against (the guy was a convicted sex offender), then was attacked by others which resulted in him trying to avoid the fight resulting in him being violently attacked (being punched, tripped then kicked and beaten) resulting in him firing two more times at armed attackers (one of which had a gun along with his criminal record (I believe it was robbery for him), the second one had a criminal record as well (domestic violence and sexual assault as well I believe) then after all of that went to the nearest police officer and turned himself in, I'd say, yeah he was justified as all evidence shows he was from his testimony, the criminal records of his attackers, those he was with, and the video evidence as well as his behavior after the event. Any one who would say otherwise is just a psychopath who wants to see our country burn to the ground because they are so egotistical that they think they could create a better country in their image and the only way they think they can do that is by destroying what we have now.

[JimboGB]

The communists think they can manipulate what is we see with our very own eyes. They truly are a lost group of people.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JimboGB Well they think that because its largely been sucessful, at least historically. We live in a new age so while many are duped, the truth is now much harder to keep quite thanks to the internet and the fact that every one has a camera on them at all times. Hopefully this will be enough to stop them (I would be upset to say the least if they managed to turn the US into another venezuela or china (though I do think they are losing so I do have hope (if we can just take back our educational system which ironically enough their response to covid has started to allow).

[JimboGB]

Ah yes the liberation of information online has been truly uplifting & insightful for us all. Similarly to the mainstream media they are using out dated tactics which is like watching a movie that you've already read the script. This is a cultural Marxist revolution, that is why the are attacking (cancelling) popular music, movies, actors, presenters, history, burning books, anything to do with culture or heritage must come under attack. They know a communist state in America (or the UK for that matter) is not achievable in the short to medium term but they are pushing for a communist society. I am in complete agreement with you, until we see the removal of professors, funding for certain universities defunded and a new curriculum brought in we won't see any effective change. I see that in Australia they had a politician bring forward a very promising proposal, basically funding for the any classes teaching intersectionalism should be reduced to basically to nothing and that money transferred into English, Maths and Science. These are productive ideas which only take the political will. You might not be surprised to hear we have universities in London who rely on funding from Chinese investment, just imagine my shock when I found that out.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@JimboGB Oh yeah, they are playing the long game. They don't need to kill us now, they just need to destroy a generation and thats it. Thats why they want to erase our history, if they erase the history in the minds of one generation and any vestige of it in physical form (statues and such) then the second generation is only going to hear stories of who we are, what we come from and what we stand for, and then when our generation dies, the third generation will becompletely ignorant and detached and thus malliable and readily manipulated by them. Its disgusting but thankfully with the internet its going to be an uphill battle for them which is why they have taken over the tech giants in order to stop that (imagine if the internet took just ten to twenty years longer to develop? We may not have been talking about this at all).

[OddBeMe]

So a common police investigation is proof of a communist plot? Is anything you guys don’t agree with communist or Marxist?

[hellionthesagereborn]

No of course not. The fact that BLM is an openly marxist organization according to their own founders, as is Antifa, the fact that conservatives have been slowly forced out of education for decades now and replaced with marxists (30% of proffesors are openly marxist, 50% are democrat (far left) and only 2% are openly conservative which was not the case decades ago. Also the third most commonly assigned reading in college is the communist manifesto), the fact that they are actively trying to rewrite our history (claiming the US was founded in the 1600s instead of 1777 because thats when slavery first started in the US (never mind that it existed for thousands of years in every nation and group in the world bar none which they never mention)), or how the democrats are supporting these marxist groups (hence them refusing aid from Trump and even courting the riots and violent protests (as they did with CHAZ and berkley and in minnesota, and portland etc.) and that they support hte tearing down of our national monuments (I mean they claimd it was because of racism but they destroyed statues of abolishinests and one statue of abraham lincoln that was bought and commisioned by the slaves he freed so clearly it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with erasing our history). Or the fact that this has happened not just in venezuela, or cuba or china but the soviet union also did this in order to destroy any and all connections with the past, with national and cultural identity and with the societies values so that within a few generations they would have nothing but the marxist holding sway over them (not unlike how cults work but on a national scale (force every one to cut ties with any one that would give them an outside perspective, who would challenge the one in charge (in this case the marxists) so that no one can tell just how disfunctional everything is). Thats were we are getting it from.

[OddBeMe]

What’s with you guy calling libtards marxists and communists. Are they just buzzwords or do you think we actually ascribe to that specific ideology? Bc we don’t. Most anyway.

[hellionthesagereborn]

What? Are you fucking delusional? I called them marxists because they are OPENLY AND ADMITTED MARXISTS. This is like when the leftists get upset when people pointed out that bernie sanders was a socialist while the left claimed conservatives were crazy despite bernie sanders himself, numerous times, on video and in front of crowds, admitted to being a socialist. The founder of BLM are by their own words militant marxists. Antifa by their own words are socialists. College proffesors, again over 30%, are admitted marxists i. e. in every one of these situations the way we came to the conclusion that these people were in fact marxists, was because those people STATED they were in fact marxists. also your a leftist, calling them libtards doesn't make you not a leftist (your not fooling any one, why fight it?).

[purplepoppy]

This is the problem with gun nuts, they all think they're judge, jury and executioner.

[OddBeMe]

Ding ding ding

[Dargil]

Watch the videos carefully and get back to me. The bad guys had every opportunity to avoid being killed.

[purplepoppy]

The fact he went there with a gun is proof he intended to kill. You can't deliberately put yourself in danger then claim self defence.

[Dargil]

"The fact he went there with a gun is proof he intended to kill". No, it is not. No court will convict on that basis. The fact he went there with a gun is proof he expected to have to defend himself. He did. "You can't deliberately put yourself in danger then claim self defence." Sure you can. No law in the USA claims that. The sin is always the sinner's fault. He had a legal right to be there and under the legal concept of din rodef, he had a right to defend himself. Nobody would have been dead of nobody wasn't first pursued and attacked. Drawing the foul is irrelevant. So is his illegal possession of a firearm in public. If the attackers had remained "peaceful demonstrators", they would be walking around. Peaceful demonstration, even a loud version, is Constitutional. Placing others in danger by your aggressive actions is not. Kyle defended himself from them.

[purplepoppy]

He had no business being there. He deliberately went there with a gun to fulfill a delusional hero fantasy. Lethal self defense is a last resort not a goal.

[Dargil]

Anifa and BLM went there to perpetrate violent anarchy. "Lethal self defense is a last resort not a goal." But it is not illegal if the circumstances promote it. They do.

[purplepoppy]

If he knew violent people were there he could have safely stayed as away. He was free to leave the area at any time. Truth is he saw the whole thing as an excuse to go and kill people.

[Dargil]

"If he knew violent people were there he could have safely stayed as away. He was free to leave the area at any time." True. But he did not choose to. "Truth is he saw the whole thing as an excuse to go and kill people." Unprovable assumption. He went there to demonstrate defiantly but peacefully and likely would have if he (and/or another he could legally protect under din rodef) were not attacked.

[purplepoppy]

The fact he took a gun disproves he went there with peaceful intentions. If a gun was needed that proves he knew the area was unsafe thus the argument of self defence is invalid.

[Dargil]

"The fact he took a gun disproves he went there with peaceful intentions." Not in a court it doesn't. It only makes probable his belief in a need to protect himself from proven violent mobs. "If a gun was needed that proves he knew the area was unsafe" Or at least he believed it so and was proved right. "thus the argument of self defence is invalid." No, it is not. Had they not attacked, his gun was only a decoration. And while we are at it, what is the purpose of intentionally destructive mobs destroying businesses and hurting innocent people and focusing on one boy pushing back?

[OddBeMe]

Smart 20 yr old. I was dummy at your age. Dargil is still a dummy :)

[Dargil]

Name calling is an admission of defeat in a debate. I accept your surrender.

[OddBeMe]

@Dargil Ahh, a triggered cuck.

[Dargil]

I didn't say you were that, but maybe you are.

[ThomasTKay]

From everything I saw, he looks very well justified. Get used to it too. This is why America has the 2nd amendment which will never go away. This is why over a 100 million people have not just average guns but military weapons. To defend themselves and the homeland from foreign invaders and these communist revolutionary nutcases!

[JimboGB]

👏👏👏

[OddBeMe]

And you’re the poster child for gun control advocates.

[ThomasTKay]

@oddbeme they can feel free to try. But the unarmed won't easily disarm the armed lol. Who will the gun control freaks use to disarm us? It's the ANTIFA and gun control people who want to defund police lol

[OddBeMe]

We’re happy for you waste your money over guns to masturbate to. We’ll wait til your destitute and then offer a guns-for-meals program. :)

[josephinelcajon]

He was justified but should not have been there and not with a weapon

[OddBeMe]

Then he wasn’t justified. Or at least it’s up for debate in court.

[Dargil]

His name is Kyle Rittenhouse. I agree that he anticipated being assaulted. I agree that he drew the foul by walking down the middle of the street, armed. But if the "peaceful protesters" did not have to attack him, they would not have died. They could have just let him walk through, yelling at him, ridiculing him and insulting him and nothing would have happened. Both of the attackers who were killed had the choice to the last second to not attack and to walk away. This was self defense and there will be much more like it. Many more Antifa/BLM attackers are going to get themselves KYLED. Mark my words. We have been waiting for this day.

[goaded]

"We have been waiting for this day. " Clearly with eager anticipation. You're sick.

[Dargil]

@goaded Looks like I goaded you. Good. I am only sick if you love violent anarchy, which you apparently do. Who's sick, again?

[OddBeMe]

We don’t love anarchy. The kid drove a hundred miles to counterprotest with a gun. The police charged him with murder. He already has lawyers saying it’s self defense, I’m fine with the justice system.

[Dargil]

As am I. He'll plea bargain to a far lesser weapons charge. The video will show the jury the truth. And you know that thousands of Antifa come from out of town as well.

[goaded]

There's a question making the rounds at the moment: "Why is murder an appropriate response to property damage, but property damage isn’t an appropriate response to murder?" By the way, who shot the other man, the one in the used car dealership? Nobody's talking about them. Anyway back to your regular state of excitment at the chance of being able to shoot people while they protest about people shooting people like them.

[OddBeMe]

True, agitators from all political sides drive to riots. I fear this is another Trayvon case. We’ll see how it ends this time.

[Dargil]

Kyle will have murder charges dismissed. If you look at the concept of din rodef and look at the videos, you will understand why. The question if a 17 year old illegally carrying a weapon in public is another matter.

[goaded]

I hope they've not over-charged him with something that might be impossible to prove. It's a tactic that's used for police who've killed someone, so that the powers that be can throw up their hands and say "We charged them with the crime, but couldn't get the conviction. What can you do? Our hands are tied!"

He obviously went there wanting to be able to shoot someone, but if they charge him with first degree murder and not lesser murder/manslaughter charges, he could literally get away with killing two people.

In answer to your question, hell, no! He shouldn't have been in the state, let alone the city.

[OddBeMe]

He’s been charged with some version of murder. His lawyers are already arguing self defense. That’s fine. That’s the system. Most people posting here think they already know what happened.

[Jersey2]

First, this was all kicked off by a douche bag wanted for sexual assault who did not comply with the police instructions and was trying to flee in a vehicle with children in it.

Second, this kid was there to provide medical help to people that were injured and had the gun for protection as the rioters are violent and did in fact attack him with deadly force.

[JimboGB]

Give him the keys to the city. It's amazing how people can justify mob rule, rioting, destruction of business and livelihoods. This brave courageous young man went to help protect a store, was giving medical support before he was separated from his group by the police (most likely non intentionally) at which point the cowards in a mass group threw molotov cocktail at him before chasing him, striking him from behind, smashing a skateboard over his head and pointing a gun at his face, and here you are wondering if he was justified.

A complete nincompoop say it isn't wise to have come with a rifle, WHY DID HE HAVE THE RIFLE smartass?

[OddBeMe]

No ones justifying rioting. They’re being arrested. It’s just not a death sentence.

[JimboGB]

It seems you don't get to attack people in the streets with weapons, especially those carrying guns. It will end badly for you and so it should. Justice served.

[OddBeMe]

How did they attack him? I saw some video and at most they pushed him.

[JimboGB]

I don't believe you are that stupid or ignorant. You know perfectly well and if you don't, it isn't hard to find the footage. It's gone viral. I'm not as half as gullible as you seem to think.

[OddBeMe]

Uh yeah. His attackers were practically social distancing.

[JimboGB]

I expect as much from you.

[OddBeMe]

Was he about to be punched? Prob. Not a reason to start shooting.

[OddBeMe]

He placed himself in that situation.

[JimboGB]

Again, you mistake me for someone who thinks you are that stupid. You know perfectly well what happened, your manipulation isn't going to work on me.

[JimboGB]

People can find the truth for themselves. Like I said, it isn't hard to find.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah I found several clips. Lots of running. He’s on the ground next to a dead body. People want to punch him. Like I said, he’s a trump supporter who put himself in the middle of a blm riot. Dumbass.

[joeldalton]

It was very clearly self defense.

[OddBeMe]

Obviously the Kenosha PD disagree as they’ve charged him with murder. You can’t shout fire in a crowded theater. You can’t insert yourself into a riot with a machine gun.

[joeldalton]

Yeah, and he’ll get off. The DA’s letter even explains it all as self defense.

[OddBeMe]

That’ll be for the justice system. The judge may see it differently. Personally I think a manslaughter charge, deprived indifference.

[joeldalton]

I’ll remember that if I want to shoot you in the head. You wont’ fire back because you don’t want to go to jail.

[OddBeMe]

Wow. The last resort of an argument: death threats.

[joeldalton]

I said, 'if'. don't be a drama queen.

[OddBeMe]

Oh don’t fret. I know your a beta cuck :)

[joeldalton]

lol. you're projecting.

[HeadCase1]

If the mayor and police chief did their jobs, the rioting would have been stopped quickly.

The kid should not have crossed a state but seeing the unstoppable rioting screwed with his head.

The most he is guilty of is gun violations.

[OddBeMe]

You don’t even know if the dead people were ones accosting him. That’s why there’s an investigation.

[HeadCase1]

There is video but I'm not sure how definitive it is.

[HeadCase1]

Plus, as I said. The idiot should not have been there. He is guilty of some gun violations. But the criteria for murder is intent. He may had had intent but prove it. At most it is manslaughter. If it wasn't self defense he may have over reacted thus intent is lacking.

[Slim57]

Definently

[jimmy2]

Not wise to be in that crowd with a rifle.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah, there are laws like shouting fire in a crowded theater. I’m not sure what prompted him to start shooting or even if his victims were involved in any way.

[jimmy2]

There were people running after him. He ran to the cops.

[OddBeMe]

So his life was in danger?

[jimmy2]

Yes.

[OddBeMe]

At best that’s not proven yet. He had a rifle and the others had fists and a skateboard.

[Lefty11]

Kids a hero. Anyone with a problem over what he did needs to learn what America is

[OddBeMe]

I have a problem with it and I will try to change America from guys like you into a 21st century nation.

[Anonymous]

He should be chardged with murder. If a blm protester brought a gun to a Trump rally abd shot racist people would be complaining.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, I’ve been playing the what if Obama did this instead... what if a black person turned his back on police instead...