So this is obviously a debate that will go on forever. I think it's a trick question though to answer. I have friends that have flat out said when they were 14 and 15 they were messing with guys in their 20s and 30s and they knew exactly what they were doing. In most US States (not all so know your age of consent people), the age of consent is 16. Somehow they magically can know what they are doing at 16 I guess? But I think the reality is when you have someone willfully engaging with an adult (and I mean willfully... not coerced or fear based or anything like that), you need to either punish both or neither. There is a level of hypocrisy when it comes to these laws but you have to ask, where do you draw the line and how do you prove anything was actually willful consent?
It really is a complicated area to decide. If someone is put in jail for years, or put on the registry for whatever happened, and you later hear the alleged victim as an adult boasting about it and knowing what he or she was doing, then there should be consequences levied against said person and some restoration of life for what happened to the person that has spent time in jail or shame for the registry.
Now clearly true rape victims should in no way should be punished. Resources should be spent on these victims, not ones who willfully consent to the acts and then play victim after the fact because they don't want to get in trouble. There definitely should be reform to the laws that govern all of this, but the problem again comes down to where do you draw the line? You can't make the laws so ambiguous that there is too much grey area. Especially in laws that involve protecting our children. But I do think you can make laws that address these issues and allow for punishment of both parties or no punishment for either since it was truly consensual. And this topic really kind of has me thinking we shouldn't just automatically judge all sex offenders. For one, I know a couple that is on the registry in a state where it's a lifetime registry just because they got caught having sex on a beach late one night. Two consenting adults but because of the location... register for life. With that and the consideration in thinking about this topic, perhaps judgment of a sex offender should be a case by case basis on what happened and what they actually did. The charge may not indicate the real story. Food for thought. Something I will evaluate in my own self at least.
Sure but it's theoretical. If there is a situation where there are groups like a gang of 13-15 year olds who attacked an adult and raped him/her, they should be charged but just a regular adult sleeping with a minor, the adult should know better. You know, even minor guys can get arrested for raping an adult girl. So if a minor girl does it to a guy, she should be too. Don't give me that "but it's rare" bs because it doesn't mean it don't happen.
As for the kid's punishments for just simply sleeping with an adult. It's on the parents on how they should punish them. Because if parents just don't like spoiling their kids making them sluts/players, the risk is on them. They're gonna be separated from their children so the parent's punishment is basically affecting the children too as a punishment.
This is not a bad answer.
Also in this situation, if a creepy teen girl trying to target an adult man, of course who would believe right away when they can just "defend themselves"? But what if he really does? Calling him out as the offender would be likely and he gets charged.
Yes they should because many are not stupid. If they can't consent with a teacher than they can't consent with each other either. I am sick and tired of hypocrisy, the wickedness, the evil, etcetera with people. Many of them wolfley have sex with these people. And they do not care who gets in trouble or who gets hurt. Many of them are adults today as this is nothing new. And they both about what they used to do when they were younger and it's got to be somebody end up in jail, you think they're going to end up getting in trouble? No. They'll say they can't do anything about it now because they're an adult. These kids know exactly what's going on. They are not so stupid as anybody claims.
True rape victims really do need the help. But these all those so-called victims needs to be just as punished as a perpetrator. Many of them are fully aware of the situation but a lot of them don't do anything about it. And I don't want to hear that so-called excuse our argument about how a person's bring them with you and you 25 because that's a load of nonsense also. Alyssa person has mental illness or something going on, they know what it is. I went to school with such people. You went to school with such people, all at some point knew somebody who done something or obviously was aware.
When men want to talk about how much they want to bang somebody, get their butts right into that room. What a Girl Wants to talk about how much she keeps on having wet dreams about who's she's crushing one as a teacher, you better get her butt right in that room also, call the parents and reprimand them both. Yes the teachers in the professor's know better. But these students are old enough to know right from wrong. Unless they are under the age of 14 or 13, they tend to know how things run by 12.
Willfully have sex* I not only heard and knew of such people that actually done those things in the past. I heard it was very common back in 70s and 80s with teachers will be giving female students as if they had sex with them and the blows willfully did it if it guaranteed them getting them an A for college admissions to be impressed with. If Casting Couch exist, what makes nobody think that this kind of stuff don't exist? What I hate is that they're always trying to make it look good in the media, but in real life, Behind Closed Doors, who knows what's really going on? Like you said before which I understand and agree with, and some cases it really is rape. But I don't trust half of the stuff that I've been hearing knowing how a lot these horny women and men are like today. But now if you call him out on their hypocrisy deal say you're too religious, you're wrong, people like you should just die out Etc. They don't care who they hurt. Once again it's sickening.
Isn't that why we created juvenile jails.
I know people who went to juvie. And trust me juvie don't help but some of them. Once they get out they're just going to do what they're going to do because the law says they are now allowed to do whatever they want. Once 18, they're free to basically hoe out there. Think about why a lot of these women that love your men say you don't want to touch all the way all by the time that my age and over. There's a good reason for that. Because they started this mess when they were very young. And you can bet nobody was going to be a snitch about it.
If you do it willingly then maybe yes because I feel like after 16 you should know better but if it wasn't then no, but then again if you're a dude whose 19-20 and you're girl is 17 that's still pretty creepy to me. But overall, I guess yes, but not as heavy as the adult
"If you do it willingly then maybe yes because I feel like after 16 you should know better" - Yes, this is exactly what I mean, you got it.
I mean it's weird if you're old enough to drive your old enough to know it's illegal however, I still more creeped out by adults who do this like tf are you attracted to a kid and kids attracted to adults the same age as their parents ugh... it's just odd
I agree.
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I think there needs to be a very careful approach when this comes up. The young person might genuinely have been feeling love, and their desperation influenced an adult to engage in sex with them. Or the young person could be using sexual acts to gain something.
A young person making a mistake requires a different approach than a young person predating an older one for a specific gain.
However, in any case, it is the responsibility of the adult - the older person - to recognize the difference in influence, power, and consequence.
Full development of the human brain doesn't finish until the mid20s. Likewise, life experience teaches many lessons that help to create a stronger sense of right and wrong.
The adult in the equation invariably carries more responsibility.
To a young person, love might seem right no matter what. Consequences - which they've faced fewer of - have less weight. To an older person, they will hopefully have learned a bit more about both love and consequences - enough to stop a young person from making a mistake.
And certainly enough to put a stop to their involvement with a minor.
It is a generally regarded legal principle, that people should not be charged with a criminal offence, when the purpose of the existence of that offence, was for the protection of such people.
Or said more succinctly: a person should not be charged for a crime, when that crime was designed to protect such a person.
Prosecutorial discretion is key for the moral functioning of a legal system, if someone was seduced in some borderline case, that might be cause to decline prosecution, but anyone who is not older than 16 years old, are severely protected for a reason, because they are not old enough to assume all the consequences and responsibility associated with sexual activities, thus the law is a reflection of the fact, that society wishes to rule out even the possibility of putting a minor in such a position: adults who allow themselves to form a sexual connection to someone who they know is within the age bracket of statutory rape, are breaking the law, the minor in such a case, is not breaking the same law. The creation of an extra penalty for a minor performing seduction, might seem fair, but it in practice, this would have disastrous consequences, discouraging people to report unlawful sexual activities, because of the possible outcome of the minor being punished, aswell as providing blackmail potential against such minors, or trapping such minors within the relationship of sexual misconduct, under the threat of such a punishment, through even just threat of allegation seduction.
This is a very bad idea, to punish people for receiving protection from a law, designed to safeguard their wellbeing: it would have broad and far reaching mixed messages.
mixed messages that would undermine the rationale for the very existence of the criminal offence in the first place.
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39% voted yes.
What the fuck?
Is everyone losing their minds nowadays?
No, I don't think minors should be punished. No sane person should think minors should be punished.
I think even more than 39% should've said yes.
Exactly. Minors don't have developed enough brains to understand the weight of the situation as well as an adult does.
Yea its a two way street. I hate that some states/countries think its okay for like a 30 year old to be with a 15/16. Thats nasty af on both their parts
Somehow I knew you would see reason.
It's a crime to have sex with a minor, it isn't a crime to have sex with an adult.
Just like how it's a crime to assault someone but not a crime to be assaulted.
So no they obviously shouldn't be punished.
Also responding to your update: No girls are just being more logical here. You sadly aren't.
I think anyone having sex with a high school student should be punished 15 and younger is seriously bad. Whereas is you're over sixteen it depends was it grooming or not and after that they shouldn't be allowed to teach if it's collage or uni then as long as it doesn't interfere with work it doesn't matter
Childhood is a time when we are supposed to make mistakes and learn some lessons and get ready for the adult world where we will face consequences. Adults are held responsible not because they talked children into doing something that the children really didn't want to do. Adults are held responsible because we deem children incapable of giving a mature, reasoned, and well-considered consent to sexual activity.
No because they are just kids that listen and obey adults or in their rebellious stage and aren't thinking logically or clearly or maturely yet. Kids can be really foolish because they haven't learned everything yet of what's right and wrong.
You people should watch the jeffery epstein documentary!
Sex should be only for the married people.
It's your private parte, why people let anyone see them, suck them? Clearly shows lack of self respect.
I find sex between temporary partners disgusting and it shows lack or respect for each other.
Our generation is having lust in place of love.
Love sounds like an alien word now.
I can understand where you are coming from cuz lets be honest majority of boys under influence of their new sex at adolescence have though about doing a lot of nasty things to teachers BUT,
It can be used as means of Paedophiles to mount a defence against a 16 year old child who had no idea about gravity of situation and courts usually excuse teenagers for grave charges like first degree murder and give them small/no sentence.
I don't think passing this law is going to achieve anything in presence of age-protection sentence reduction laws... I guess you can force them to attend counselling or stuff like that cuz KID DID LEARNED IT FROM SOMEWHERE or if he didn't know elder DID took advantage of the situation.
I think elders should be punished cuz at the end of day "KID IS KID" and you were supposed to act like mature one rather than take advantage of situation to full-fill your fantasy... but if kid make it PHYSICALLY impossible for elder than we can talk about kid being punished for it.
Well to be honest the cases where minors are willing to hardly ever end up going to the police and going through the system. Unless someone finds them out of course. Either way, it is the adult's fault. They are the ones going against the law, whether it was "consensual" or not they know it shouldn't happen.
wtf is wrong with you. are you like a map or something
The problem is the 39% who voted yes.
No, I don't think they should. Minors cannot consent to sex.
An adult having sex with a child is always an abusive act, for which punishment should go to the adult, as they're the one who's supposed to be responsible. If you are an adult, you should not have sex with a minor! It doesn't matter if they're throwing themselves at you, they promise they're mature, they say they consent... none of that matters. As the one with the power and responsibility, it's the adult's job to say no.
This question is just rape victim-blaming in disguise.
Now, I'm not suggesting that we should let children throw themselves at adults. There are still appropriate and proportionate punishments for a child exhibiting inappropriate behaviour. A child coming on to their teacher for example should get a stern talking to about why that's not acceptable, maybe detention or grounding. But it should be a child-scaled punishment, and it's not for the sex act itself. If sex has happened, it's the adult at fault.
Let me ask you a question. Do you actually think those people that throw themselves at teachers all anybody actually give a damn about a talkin? No. They'll just do it with the guys that they see and it is still get hurt, used, and abused even when they get older. You know why? Because everybody else and their mama's doing it so why should they have to stop? If they can't do it as minors, if they can't have sex, then neither should so-called adult should be fornicating having sex outside of marriage and doing other things unacceptable to God before marriage. Or even in a marriage. The hypocrisy needs to stop. They will never listen in that aspect because others are already doing it. If you don't punish them, they will feel that it's okay to rebell and they get worse. They know what they're doing. They don't care about why it's wrong. They just want to do it. A person with morals will never do it.
@btbc92 What on earth are you talking about? You appear to have completely failed to understand my point. Please stop responding to all my opinions with your insane incoherent ramblings.
No I understand your point exactly. And I disagree with it. They need to equally be punished. It doesn't matter how much of a minor. They know exactly what they're doing. What you're seeing is just be easy with them, coddle. You don't coddle that Behaviour. It's not about me responding to your opinions with insane incoherent ramblings. It's a simple fact of understanding what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. And that is one immoral behavior that is not tolerable. Many don't learn from that behavior because you people condone the practice anyway, once they of age.
The problem with this, is that you would be basically labelling a ‘child’ as a slut... is as least some people would see it that way. Another reason to keep cases involving minors out of the media! I definitely think 🤔 that children need to be held more accountable for their actions when breaking laws.
@poppykate If the child gets labeled a slut for their willful sexual behavior with an adult, who's fault do you think it is?
I understand that. However, often these cases end up in the media. Then, it can be googled anytime that person applies for a job.
@poppykate Sorry, I got no remorse for 'em. If the same misfortune can happen to the 'predators' they slept with then it can happen to these kids as well. Think before you act.
No, the adult in a position of power over the minor has a responsibility to maintain boundaries with the minor.
Kids go through all kinds of weird sexual phases as they mature, an adult capitalizing on that is pretty skuzzy.
If we are talking about late teens the area gets a bit fuzzier. I think our laws here in Canada make sense where the cutoff is 16 but if there’s a position of authority like a boss/worker or teacher/student the one who was supposed to be in charge gets the blame.
Whoever said yes you are sick in the head. A kid is definitely not emotionally mature enough to know any better. An adult, who is supposed to be the mature, smart one should have the good judgement to say no to a kid who makes advances towards them. Encouraging advances from a child is just gross. It is way too easy for an adult to take advantage of a naive crush that a kid might have on them.
It will take me much longer than the five minutes I have right now to justify my thought. If you are really interested message me.
You can lay it out right here.
Dude uhm. . . four guys said yes.
10 said no.
13 girls said No too.
Girls don't exist
As of now, 18 women and 29 men said no. You were a little too quick to jump to conclusions, Asker. It's clear that you're just looking for reasons to hate on women. But that's nothing new from you, so no surprises there.
Maybe depending on the age. Generally speaking though, if we hold adults responsible as adults, then for the sake of consistency if nothing else, we would have to hold children responsible as children. Thus, whatever hypothetical punishment involved would necessarily have to be different for children and adults, which then raises other issues.
That said minors shouldn't be having sex in the first place.
But minor's also don't know any better. They can be full of hormones, and their brains don't develop until they are 25, so they don't always think of the consequences long term.
@MrNameless - that's why I wrote "if we hold adults responsible as adults, then for the sake of consistency if nothing else, we would have to hold children responsible as children".
Honestly no I know it's hard but a man who's an adult just has to be the adult and say no. I know you're talking about girls that are like 16-17. So I'm sure we can all agree that younger then that is definite no, but for the 16-17 is a grey area because yes I know a lot of 16-17 year olds are gonna be curious and shit and try some things but In the end it's not all 16-17 year olds are the smartest and could easily be talked into something like that. So the law is in place to protect the younger person in that situation and the adult should know better. It sucks that a 17yo could seduce an adult and get them in prison with no consequences but at the end of the day the adult should know better then to have sex with a minor. The law is a clear and the fear of prison or jail should be enough to sway a mature adult away from fucking a minor
A minor also knows the law too.
Yes but the fact remains they are a fucking minor right? I expect a fucking 20 year old to have more common sense and control of themselves than a 17 year old. Fact is if adults could keep their fucking pants up and not fuck minors then there wouldn't be a problem
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