Basically you prove my point
Yes, except for college girls dating on campuses. Your risk is a lot higher there, and you have to choose your dates with a lot of care.
We also have to consider some more things: how the sources define rape as some include male victims and threats of rape and the number might have been how many have been reported to law enforcement as some of them might be lying for whatever reason and there may be a lot of rapes that go unreported.
@Snakeyes7 I don't think the number of raped males makes much of statistical blip, if at all. I don't know that "threats of rape" are treated statistically the same as actual rape. I don't see how they could be, but I'd have to contact a rape center or two that compiles stats to find out. We can't know for sure, but I "suspect" there are more unreported rapes than there are false accusations of rape. ONE thing for sure as you said - 700 thousand is too many. Actually, 1 is too many.
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Systemic crime? How is rape systemic
@allaboutyou2 It's systemic in the lower class, mostly because it's seen as normal by so many. While I'm a middle-class guy, I've worked in lower class neighborhoods for years and made friends with people who are or were from there, and have talked to a lot of people from those cultures, and if you don't have a lot of experience with that, you'd be shocked at what goes on.In many areas, rape is considered normal, and it's unusual for a girl to have gotten through her teens without being raped - in fact, other women from that world are less likely to believe that another girl WASN'T raped, because she was raped and all her friends and sisters and cousins were raped - often by family members, etc. And most have been raped since then, usually while drunk or high at a party, but sometimes in other situations.Just as murder is often "normal" and routine in those cultures, so is rape, child abuse, and incest. The things that I would hear were once shocking to me, but sad to say, after hearing it for years, I'm pretty jaded about it.
You want actual systemic rape? Go to the middle east.Stop inventing problems where there are none and just enjoy the easy life the western world offers. Rapists are already crucified by the cast majority of western population.
@Torari well said.It seems that here in America certain people want to create victimhood, making isolated serious issues into "systemic" whether it is rape, racism, climate change etc. Special interest groups and politicians can get rich off of such exaggerated issues.
@Torari Less rape in the United states than in the middle east doesn't mean that rape in the united states suddenly isn't a justified concern? XD
Who the fuck claimed it was justified? I only claimed that it isn't systemic, and that it is condemned by the vast majority of people.
@Torari You literally implied that in "the west" we don't have systemic rape problems and then said "stop inventing problems where there are none...". Rape= a crime, Crime= A problem. And just because half the population of U. S. women aren't getting raped doesn't mean it's not a rampant problem in some places and a general (and valid) fear among women.
The problem you're inventing is the "systemic" part. Not the "crime" part.It being a valid fear does not make it any more systemic than the fact that it is a valid fear for men of getting mugged in the streets makes mugging systemic.
For rape to be systemic, it would have to be encouraged by our culture/legal system. Which is the opposite of the truth.
@Torari be careful, you are explaining the truth too clearly. The ones spouting the talking points without thinking are not going to like you explaining away their thoughtless propaganda.
I agree that it's not "encouraged" by the system, but, among the lower class, it is tolerated at an alarming level - not just by government but by the lower class themselves. We're not talking so much violent "stranger rape" - that is mostly taken seriously - but what would loosely fall under "date rape" - especially "this guy offered to get me drunk/high, and then he raped me" - and rape within families, is incredibly common and is rarely investigated or taken seriously unless the victim is very young (13 or younger, typically).While all this is definitely much less bad than Sharia law, for example, or certain African cultures, it's still a problem, and a bigger one than most people realize. But because it's much less likely to affect the middle or upper class, it's largely ignored.
"You can thank modern modern feminism, the MeToo and cancelculture for this. Men are being portrayed like savage horny men who can't control their impulses"I used to be a feminist and I've realized a lot of toxicity in feminist communities. As for the idea that men are savages who can't control their impulses, I have heard of a few radical feminists saying this about men, but it's far outnumbered by men who say this about men. An example is this article by Dennis Prager: www.creators.com/.../male-sexual-nature-and-the-lefts-culture-of-denialHe says: "Male sexual nature is predatory. Without strong moral values working to inhibit their sexual nature, men will follow their natural impulse to grab women to whom they are attracted and use them sexually...Why do feminists and others on the cultural left still deny the unpleasant truths about male sexual nature?"Many of the antifeminist men responding on this thread said that men are naturally inclined to rape people: www.reddit.com/.../There was also some book by a male evolutionary psychologist in the early 2000s that argued that men have natural urges to rape. I forget the name. I'll let you know if I can find it.Personally I think this is a misandrist statement and these guys are projecting their own degeneracy onto all other men. But I am curious why antifeminists blame this stereotype on feminists when it's far more prevalent among antifeminists?
@mistixs That first article made me laugh. It's clear that there is a prejeduce against Arabs/Muslims. And seeing this is all based on Dennis Prager's book, a man working for PragerU (A Zionist backed university), I quickly got to realize that this article has an agenda. Mainly against Arabs/Muslims. it makes it sound like rape in Europe is mostly done by immigrants. Asif rape wasn't a thing until immigrants (mostly refugees excuse them) came to Europe. Although not everything is incorrect. It's within the primal instinct of a man to dominate and spread his seed. Either through submission of women or through force. THis is mother nature's way of doing. But to say all men would go and rape when given the chance is very debatable. There is a reason why religion and secular laws exist. To combat barbarism. The human race is darker than most people realize.
You: "You can thank modern modern feminism, the MeToo and cancelculture for this. Men are being portrayed like savage horny men who can't control their impulses. Yet the majority of men CAN control themselves."You: "It's within the primal instinct of a man to dominate and spread his seed. Either through submission of women or through force."Okay then...
Oh wait, now I get it. You said feminists make it seem like men can't control their impulses, which implies men do have these impulses. However I don't think most feminists would say that most men have rape impulses.
@mistixs Clearly you lack knowledge about male biology. Throughout the history of mankind, barbarism has been in abundance. Because it's wirtten in our DNA. Does that mean we can't control our impulses? Yes we can. And especially with laws, these impulses are surpressed even more. Lovely how you cherry pick quotes in order to suit your own narrative, but that doesn't work. What I'm doing is simply recognizing a specific biological nature and the capability to surpress. Women are hypergamous in nature aswel, but many know how to surpress this nature. Otherwise, every woman would sleep with the next guys she encounters and perceives to be "better" than her current partner. So she can't comit. It would be an endless cycle.And my point about feminism, MeToo and cancel culture was about women falsely accusing men of thigns they haven't done. Read carefully before you start making up your own false narrative and putting words in my mouth.
"hypergamy" simply means that a woman marries a man with higher status than herself. It doesn't mean that women monkeybranch from guy to guy. That's how the manosphere has twisted it but that's not what the word means.
@mistixs Yes, that's what that term means. However, it does play a role with monkey branching if she perceives another male as 'better' than her current partner if she lacks impulse control. If you don't think hypergamy stretches beyond just perceiving someone as better than herself, then I got news for you.
I agree, people place too much emphasis on minorities
I am shocked at how many men in the comments acknowledge this as an issue. Thanks for not disappointing me today. :)
Also to add: there's only 100 million men. I wouldn't count guys under the age of 18 as men.
But 25 percent is still low chance of being sexually assaulted
Except that number is wrong. We're more at 1.5 out of 1000. Exaggerating an issue just make people less likely to believe a victim.
@Guanfei woman get raped often - they don’t talk about it cause they are ashamed - 4 of my best friends were raped over the last 20 years
That's terrible, that still doesn't mean you should make up numbers. You're overexaggerating something and blame much more people than there are culprits. If your point is that men are rapists, that's wrong. And obviously, "often" is wrong too.
@jennifer_bloom why are they ashamed? They are victims! The one who should be ashmed is the rapist who raped the girl!She didn't chose to be rape, she got forced and that's very awful because a girl must see sex as something beautiful, giving all herself to her husband and to have all the pleasure that she wishes in a lovely way and not a nightmare done by a strange predator!
Thats a false number highly inflated and also includes reported rape/ threats to both men and women
@EyesOfGod Ok so give me a more accurate number.
Use the internet im not your researcher.
@EyesOfGod like just give me an estimate
Your Reputable source sir?
10,000 rapists in a country with over 300 million people sounds like a bit of an underestimate. Even if only 1% of men are rapists, that's 1500000 rapists.Also don't compare rape with prostitution which is consensual on the part of the buyer. Also, many prostitutes are victims of trafficking. The men buying sex are immoral because they have no way to know for sure whether the prostitute is trafficked or not. So the male buyers are just as immoral as the prostitutes, if not more.At least if the buyers stopped buying sex, prostitution would disappear. If women stopped being prostitutes then prostitution wouldn't disappear because more women would just be trafficked.
@mistixs being a whore is more disgusting than being a rapist.
@mistixs rape is just a few minutes of harmless sex. If she gets pregnant she can just get an abortion.Female adultery however can lead to paternity fraud which can completely ruin a man's life.
Oh okay so you're a troll. I'm sorry I wasted my time
@mistixs lol why do you people always call someone a troll to avoid losing an argumentIt's pathetic
@mistixs you have a lot of assumptions. Back it up with legitimate data
If only 10% are reported how do you know about them? (Unreported)
@BustyNeedles exactly its just assumption
(Slaps face) You guys heard of statistical analysis, and the National Crime Victimization Surveys? This shit ain't “assumed”.
Show the data.
Thank you I’ll check it out
So sex assault has decreased but fear has increased due to propaganda.
@BustyNeedles yes, I don't believe those stats
Yes all crime has decreased. And why don’t you believe in the Bureau of Justice stats?
Fun fact - USA is the 14th most rapey country in the world www.nationmaster.com/.../Rape-rate
.0024% Of the population. You’re more likely to die in a car accident.
Also, show the data. From where you get this info
How do you know that?
It’s been well documented hon. Most rapes are never reported and as such most rapists are never convicted.
I’ve haven’t reported my rapists yet lol yes it’s plural.
See? I didn’t either. I’m sorry you experienced that hon 😔
Maybe it's not reported because the impact is minimal?I got groped at parties but it had no impact on me. I understand if it's forced its traumatising, but I see girls reporting rape when a guy sleeps with them and they didn't like it.Rape has many forms and impact
It’s not minimal it’s because women aren’t ready to report it. There’s still some backlash they have to go through after they deal with that situation. They need to be emotionally ready to talk about it let alone report it. Some women can do it but some have more to worry about if they get backlash
@Thatasianlove16 I guess not everyone is mentally strong
You can’t expect them to be after going through something so traumatic. Especially when every situation is different it’s still traumatizing. Don’t take it like people are weak. Just some people need some time to recuperate after being violated. Then on top of it having to deal with people not believing them or saying they were asking for it? Ya those people aren’t weak at all
@Thatasianlove16 so tell me what impact did it have on you?
Well one of them was my therapist of 7 years, another was from a friend that lied to me about being okay with not having sex so he decided that he would just rape me while i was asleep , another was being roofied and I’m not a girl that does dumb shit. And I analyze guys. The impact I was violated by people that i built a relationship with and started trusting. And this is a span of years for each one, I have trust issues, I was always battling with depression and had an abusive home life anyway. So my trust in people is shot completely the police didn’t help me when they saw bruises on my 7 year old sister and I and my therapist raped me so even legally I don’t trust the system. Doesn’t make me weak and I’ve heard so much from a lot of specialists that most people would’ve offed themselves by now if they went through a sliver of my life. Because what I put down is just the tip of the iceberg.
Im really sorry you had to go through all that. Not all men are rapists, true, but yes its most definitely better to stay safe by being cautious. Its a principle i always practise in life.I've known people who have been assaulted in similar ways, and heard stories too. Its really sickening.
Wow you're just really fuck up aren't you? XD Being forcibly held down and sexually assaulted unable to to stop it or get away and just being sooooo weak minded as to have trauma afterward. How laughable honestly.
i can't tell if you are being sarcastic or if you are genuinely a dick.
@xJeremyx I'm being sarcastic because it's just that mind bending that another women would call a rape victim weak minded for having trauma over their sexual assault.
ah ok. I dont understand her either. Such events are scarring, even when it happens to the "emotionally strong" people out there. I mean if you or I (or anyone, in fact) were to be sexually assaulted, i think it would take many years to recover. Some dont recover at all.
Well the only way that would work is if everyone had a lie detector on them
Do you want a medal or something?
Thàts very kind of you but ill refuse on this occasion I merely wanted to have it on record that not all men are rapists But caution is always wise
Where did anyone say that all men are rapists? You're going against your own point.First you're all like "NOT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS"then you're like "BUT BEING CAUTIOUS IS GOOD".No. Pick a side man.
You either think being cautious is good or you think that you shouldn't be cautious cuz "not all men".
@ACupOfFrostingActually, he's got a good point.Its true not every man is a rapist. In fact Im gonna go ahead and say most aren't. But it's also true you should be careful of people. Just looking at men (or even women) on the street you can't tell which is which. That's why your parents always tell you "don't talk to strangers".
@IAMNathanael yes have you read what I said lmao
I have read it. The way I understood it sounds like you think what he said is totally contradictory and he has to pick a side. I basically said the same thing he did.
@IAMNathanael Yes why did you say the same thing he did lol. I know.I still don't understand what y'all mean. You can't just say/think both. It's unproductive n sounds like you don't know exactly how u feel about it.
I just tried to explain it more. But I don't think I can explain it any better or different. If you still don't understand then maybe this is just where we disagree. Ain't nothing wrong with it either
What are you talking about?You are off the topic and spamming my questions. A dress the question or I will block you
There are many people that get raped everyday and that don’t report it or that don’t get noticed there are people either kidnapped, human trafficking and these people are held against there will half of these people we don’t even know are alive or that there kidnapped. It’s not about how many it’s the fact that it’s wrong and both boys and girls should never go through this.
Crime happens. All crimes are issues.And yet nobody is claiming murders and robbers represent their entire identity group. Or even claiming that one identity group has a monopoly on said crime (despite that being untrue)
@deadroses18 I know. I'm one of the ones who never reported it. I was mocking OP for saying "just 700k" as if that's a small number. I never want anyone to go through sexual abuse. I'm sorry that my comment wasn't clear
False number that includes men and rape threats like a kid yell ill rape you over the internet.
@Inexpensivefurniture to be honest I thought you were mocking the person but I still had to say it lol
@deadroses18 that's fair
@ACupOfFrosting How do women ACTUALLY feel about rape? ↗
Ummm then I guess ur not talking about rape bc there is nothing to like about rape. If you are not attracted to that person if they are holding you down. If you are screaming no and crying for dear life then that is not having fun or liking any of that. There is a difference between bdsm and rape bdsm is something that the men and women both want and that’s what sex should be is something both partners are into.
And yes some girls daydream about being raped because they don’t know how it feels. Or maybe they were raped and that’s the only love that they know is being forced. But that never makes it ok to do that in any type of way.
@deadroses18 some girls say ok to rape as long as the guy is hot, this is extremely biased and wrong, because that means that attractive men can get away with an actual jail time crime.This is the reason a lot of men stop taking rape allegation serious, and sometimes they are even fake, the girl just regret the one night stand.Then girls complain on why men dont take them serious/respect them.
Bro you don't even fucking understand what rape means. If they want them to have sex w them it's consensual therefore not rape. Get yourself together man.You as a man are literally more likely to get raped than falsely accused (which is already a crime).You don't care about this topic you're just a sexsist incel that no-one likes.
Probably even a rapist or you just did something that's *too close* to sexual harassment/assault for u to be okay with yourself as a person so you say shit like this.Shut up and go watch Boy erased or something
@ACupOfFrosting I agree with u like he really doesn’t have a clue rape would never mean a girl allows it that just mean there having sex 🙄
@ACupOfFrosting you are literally a $lut irl, aren't u? Typical ds that will accuse a normal guy of rape, but then has rape fantasies and will let some random dude at the bar bend her over and dump a load inside of her, as long as he's hot, shut ur disgusting mouth fkng pig
@deadroses18 people like u just want random dudes fkng u raw when ur younger, then some random loser to settle down with when older, disgusting
@AFellowWeeb first off dude if ur mad because a girl rejected you then just say that lmao and also I’ve never had sex soo try the fuck agian buddy because I’m not a hoe u obviously just mad u get no pussy
@deadroses18 see, u have no arguments besides ''you're a loser'' get over yourself, your not special, guys that seem interested in you just wanna fuck you, no guy actually sees you as girlfriend material, thats why your still a virgin, you are insecured on the way you look, and thats why your scared of having sex
@AFellowWeeb well even if I didn’t like myself that has nothing to do with anything lmao I actually just don’t find sexual activities cool or attractive lmao I really just don’t care about sex and you have no argument actually bc all your doing is pointing fingers and tryna say stuff that you don’t even know because you don’t know me. All I told you was that rape and sex are 2 different things and then u got all offended. It’s crazy how you think you know me better then myself that’s funny 🤣🤣
@deadroses18 ''It’s crazy how you think you know me better then myself that’s funny 🤣🤣'' - ''first off dude if ur mad because a girl rejected you then just say that lmao and also I’ve never had sex soo try the fuck agian buddy because I’m not a hoe u obviously just mad u get no pussy''''I actually just don’t find sexual activities cool or attractive lmao I really just don’t care about sex and you''How dominant are you? ↗
Aww I see you looked through my profile that’s awesome. And this whole app is based off people asking questions so if I asked that question it’s because I’m aloud to and wanted to see how much dominant people there are and how much submissive people there are and how far they take it with there dominants and also just bc I don’t find sexual activity attractive right now mostly becuse I’m a virgin and it seems weird to me dosent mean I don’t get horny lol.
Soooo agian your point was...
@deadroses18 ''becuse I’m a virgin and it seems weird to me dosent mean I don’t get horny lol''- ''I actually just don’t find sexual activities cool or attractive lmao I really just don’t care about sex and you''Acnowledging your hypocrisy doesn't win you an argument''Aww I see you looked through my profile that’s awesome''''Most Helpful GuyAFellowWeebAFellowWeebXper 5 Age 20 , mho 7% 5 d When i arrive home after long day at work, she has to come and greet me, i give her a good handful.i go to eat the dinner she made for me, if i dont like it, I SLAP THE DAMN BROAD, AND SHE BETTER GO GET ME A SANDWICH!after i take a shower, if I AM horny, i fuck her RAW NO RUBBER, favourite position is doggystyle, LIKE A MAN, while im fucking, i ask: ''whos the little bitch here?'', and she HAS TO REPLY that is her, cause she has to know her place, and if she DARES to not respond, the BELT COMES IN TO PLAY!After I FINISH, she sucks me clean.I think this is reasonable.1|01|0Reply1 likesdeadroses18deadroses185 d Hmmm well u gotta try harderReplydeadroses18deadroses185 d Tell me more about thisss? You are following me, how am i stalking u?
@deadroses18 I know. What an idiot
I think you're talking about yourself mate
Hahaha someone's reflecting
@ACupOfFrosting ha yes, the ''no u'' counter argument, did u finished ur attacks on me as a person, and already have an actual counter argument?
@ACupOfFrosting bc i dont need a toilet telling what i am or am not
@AFellowWeeb omgg grow up stop acting like ur in high school still like everything you are saying has nothing to do with the argument 🤣🤣
@deadroses18 it has, and u know it''grow up stop acting like ur in high school''classic
🥱🥱🥱 welp byeee have a great life!
Hahhahaha usually I don't argue with people who are clearly idiots. Don't have the time sorry if it hurts your feelings
What a toilet?