Why are some people so worried about men being rapists?

[JessieBellll]

There are just 700k rapes in the US every year, but over 150 million men. Why do some men still worry and consider men as rapists?

[Lynx122]

Rape is the easiest thing to scare people with and politicize it. It's just like when everybody was worried about someone putting something in their drink. The actual cases were almost non existent but everybody was talking about it. Now nobody even remembers it so it's probably not a big issue. Feminists have run out of ammunition and rape is the one thing they can still shout about where people are the most likely to listen. But even that's dying down because there's only so many times you can say rape culture before people tune out.

Honestly the thing that I'm worried about is hidden cameras. It's a thing that's very common in Korea which is otherwise a very safe country but they have an epidemic of hidden cameras. Cameras are so small nowadays and can even stream what they film. They can be hidden in nearly every object or in the wall. If this catches on in the west which I hope it won't we'll constantly have to be paranoid. Well women more than guys but I still don't hope it happens. It's unsettling to me.

[loveslongnails]

Let's look at some numbers.
* There are approximately 125 million males between the ages of 10 and 69 in the USA.
Let's call that our pool of possible rapists. There are another 35 million males outside of that range.
* If your 700k number is correct, that means 1 in every 179 males will commit a rape in the USA.
* The majority of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim
* Of college women reporting rapes, 80-90% knew the assailant, and over half of those rapes took place on dates.

So you can make what you like out of those numbers. Strictly speaking, if you aren't a college girl who's dating, and you don't know at least 179 guys, odds are you won't get raped.

[JessieBellll]

Basically you prove my point

[JessieBellll]

Thanks

[loveslongnails]

Yes, except for college girls dating on campuses. Your risk is a lot higher there, and you have to choose your dates with a lot of care.

[Snakeyes7]

We also have to consider some more things: how the sources define rape as some include male victims and threats of rape and the number might have been how many have been reported to law enforcement as some of them might be lying for whatever reason and there may be a lot of rapes that go unreported.

[loveslongnails]

@Snakeyes7 I don't think the number of raped males makes much of statistical blip, if at all. I don't know that "threats of rape" are treated statistically the same as actual rape. I don't see how they could be, but I'd have to contact a rape center or two that compiles stats to find out. We can't know for sure, but I "suspect" there are more unreported rapes than there are false accusations of rape. ONE thing for sure as you said - 700 thousand is too many. Actually, 1 is too many.

[mistixs]

I don't think most men are rapists. I think that most men would rather beat up a rapist than commit rape themselves.

However, I was taught to be wary of strangers because if we don't know a person then we can't tell if they're good or bad. And I know for a fact that 99% of men are much stronger than me, which adds to the caution.

[Ozanne]

I think people shouldn't be less cautious with that information. It's always best to be safe out there. With that said, people should just ease up on the men. There's a big difference between being raped and just getting asked out while you're on the bus. Some women take things to the extreme, and it's not doing anyone any favours.

[JessieBellll]

True too

[Arivor]

I am going to take you literally on what you have asked (since you have called me out on this before): "Why do some men still worry and consider men as rapists?" That is a very interesting question and pertinent primarily for men who are in prison along with those convicted of rape. The underlying theme here is that once convicted a rapist is sent to prison to become a "professor" at the most inclusive university in the world. Teaching others that rape is a valid way to show domination and control on those beneath you. Having rather shorter prison times these newly created monster are released to practice what they have learned. The Worst outcome for them is to sent back to become the newest professor to teach these newbies how it's done. That's what makes me worried...

[MrOracle]

That's still 700,000 too many rapes per year.

The problem is, like lots of other systemic crime, there's a sizable part of the country that would, instead of punishing those offenders, would prefer to sweep it under the rug and ignore it, especially when it occurs on the wrong side of a political dividing line: gender, race, sexual orientation, political party, wealth, etc. And this allows many of those offenders to continue to offend, again and again.

Yes, there are situations where the line is pretty blurry, but there are also lots of situations where a crime has clearly been committed and those crimes aren't prosecuted. That should not happen.

[allaboutyou2]

Systemic crime? How is rape systemic

[MrOracle]

@allaboutyou2 It's systemic in the lower class, mostly because it's seen as normal by so many. While I'm a middle-class guy, I've worked in lower class neighborhoods for years and made friends with people who are or were from there, and have talked to a lot of people from those cultures, and if you don't have a lot of experience with that, you'd be shocked at what goes on. In many areas, rape is considered normal, and it's unusual for a girl to have gotten through her teens without being raped - in fact, other women from that world are less likely to believe that another girl WASN'T raped, because she was raped and all her friends and sisters and cousins were raped - often by family members, etc. And most have been raped since then, usually while drunk or high at a party, but sometimes in other situations. Just as murder is often "normal" and routine in those cultures, so is rape, child abuse, and incest. The things that I would hear were once shocking to me, but sad to say, after hearing it for years, I'm pretty jaded about it.

[Torari]

You want actual systemic rape? Go to the middle east. Stop inventing problems where there are none and just enjoy the easy life the western world offers. Rapists are already crucified by the cast majority of western population.

[allaboutyou2]

@Torari well said. It seems that here in America certain people want to create victimhood, making isolated serious issues into "systemic" whether it is rape, racism, climate change etc. Special interest groups and politicians can get rich off of such exaggerated issues.

[zollo]

@Torari Less rape in the United states than in the middle east doesn't mean that rape in the united states suddenly isn't a justified concern? XD

[Torari]

Who the fuck claimed it was justified? I only claimed that it isn't systemic, and that it is condemned by the vast majority of people.

[zollo]

@Torari You literally implied that in "the west" we don't have systemic rape problems and then said "stop inventing problems where there are none...". Rape= a crime, Crime= A problem. And just because half the population of U. S. women aren't getting raped doesn't mean it's not a rampant problem in some places and a general (and valid) fear among women.

[Torari]

The problem you're inventing is the "systemic" part. Not the "crime" part. It being a valid fear does not make it any more systemic than the fact that it is a valid fear for men of getting mugged in the streets makes mugging systemic.

[Torari]

For rape to be systemic, it would have to be encouraged by our culture/legal system. Which is the opposite of the truth.

[allaboutyou2]

@Torari be careful, you are explaining the truth too clearly. The ones spouting the talking points without thinking are not going to like you explaining away their thoughtless propaganda.

[MrOracle]

I agree that it's not "encouraged" by the system, but, among the lower class, it is tolerated at an alarming level - not just by government but by the lower class themselves. We're not talking so much violent "stranger rape" - that is mostly taken seriously - but what would loosely fall under "date rape" - especially "this guy offered to get me drunk/high, and then he raped me" - and rape within families, is incredibly common and is rarely investigated or taken seriously unless the victim is very young (13 or younger, typically). While all this is definitely much less bad than Sharia law, for example, or certain African cultures, it's still a problem, and a bigger one than most people realize. But because it's much less likely to affect the middle or upper class, it's largely ignored.

[jennifer_bloom]

1/4 North American woman are raped or sexually assaulted in their life time and when I say sexual assault I don’t mean rude comments and cat calling but threatening and dangerous behaviour that is often violent or humiliating and prolonged. My friend was gorgeous and she was sexually harassed a minimum of 4 times a week.

[JessieBellll]

But 25 percent is still low chance of being sexually assaulted

[Guanfei]

Except that number is wrong. We're more at 1.5 out of 1000. Exaggerating an issue just make people less likely to believe a victim.

[jennifer_bloom]

@Guanfei woman get raped often - they don’t talk about it cause they are ashamed - 4 of my best friends were raped over the last 20 years

[Guanfei]

That's terrible, that still doesn't mean you should make up numbers. You're overexaggerating something and blame much more people than there are culprits. If your point is that men are rapists, that's wrong. And obviously, "often" is wrong too.

[TonyMetal___86]

@jennifer_bloom why are they ashamed? They are victims! The one who should be ashmed is the rapist who raped the girl! She didn't chose to be rape, she got forced and that's very awful because a girl must see sex as something beautiful, giving all herself to her husband and to have all the pleasure that she wishes in a lovely way and not a nightmare done by a strange predator!

[Melvinb6521]

Rape is a serious crime. It’s one of the few that can compete with murder. It has many deep effects that create long lasting conditions.


I am concerned with it because I want to protect my loved ones from it. But with so many faceless criminals, it’s hard. I can tell someone to stay away from men with guns or knives. They may be murderers. But how do you identify a rapist before it’s too late?


A lot of people downplay the seriousness and the amount of this, until it hits home with someone else you know or love. Some people don’t even know all cases that could be considered rape. And there needs to be more education on it.

[WhiteSteve]

*700k REPORTED rapes. I figure the goal should be, let’s say, ZERO rapes. So I don’t know, I’m not a woman, I don’t really live under the threat of rape, but I’d say it’s fair to say that conservative estimate of 700k is enough to keep your head on a swivel. I mean, most people don’t get robbed or have their home invaded in their lifetimes either, but people sure seem to be worried about having guns to protect themselves in that highly unlikely event. I’d say it’s enough of an issue where women should be aware of the potential. Some may certainly let the fear overtake them and go overboard with it, and I’d like to see them less worried, but I could never say “don’t worry at all, no chance that it could happen to you.”

[Bee-Hatch]

There are "just" 700k rapes each year in the US. You think that's an insignificant amount?

[Bee-Hatch]

Fun fact - USA is the 14th most rapey country in the world

www.nationmaster.com/.../Rape-rate

[Novacane]

Because rape is bad, and more men commit rape than women? Also, consider the number of cases that never get reported. and 700k is a really high number

[iseekpinetrees]

They might have been raped in the past. Or have been around people who have not treated them very well.

[WesBrewer]

Because the media blows it up and feminists usually say all men are rapists.

[TonyV]

I don't know, I'm glad you dont rhink every one of us is a rapeist.

[Thatasianlove16]

well if someone has had a history they have all the right.

[JessieBellll]

Agree

[Cherokeehp]

700,000 rapes is still a lot of rapes. I don’t think all men are rapists, but I prefer to stay alert in case I come into contact with one who is. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to protect yourself. There are thousands of encounters between humans and bears every year, but bear attacks are super rare. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go into the woods without being alert or taking precautions.

[EyesOfGod]

Thats a false number highly inflated and also includes reported rape/ threats to both men and women

[Cherokeehp]

@EyesOfGod Ok so give me a more accurate number.

[EyesOfGod]

Use the internet im not your researcher.

[Cherokeehp]

@EyesOfGod like just give me an estimate

[TruthBringer]

We live in a time where it's not only easy to accuse someone of something and people don't question it, but everything is also being taken tot he extremes. I've met a female GAG user who claims that a guy who stares at a woman from afar, despite not being contact is sexual harassment. Even if the girl is showing off her cleavage and body. She got her ass handed to her by another female.

And what a "coincidence", she is one of those modern feminists. You can thank modern modern feminism, the MeToo and cancelculture for this. Men are being portrayed like savage horny men who can't control their impulses. Yet the majority of men CAN control themselves.

Oh and let's be realistic here. No woman is going to accuse a man for rape when he just talks to her if she finds him attractive. It's usually the unattractive men who are facing accusations like "rape" or get called a "creep".

[mistixs]

"You can thank modern modern feminism, the MeToo and cancelculture for this. Men are being portrayed like savage horny men who can't control their impulses"

I used to be a feminist and I've realized a lot of toxicity in feminist communities. As for the idea that men are savages who can't control their impulses, I have heard of a few radical feminists saying this about men, but it's far outnumbered by men who say this about men.

An example is this article by Dennis Prager: www.creators.com/.../male-sexual-nature-and-the-lefts-culture-of-denial

He says: "Male sexual nature is predatory. Without strong moral values working to inhibit their sexual nature, men will follow their natural impulse to grab women to whom they are attracted and use them sexually...
Why do feminists and others on the cultural left still deny the unpleasant truths about male sexual nature?"

Many of the antifeminist men responding on this thread said that men are naturally inclined to rape people: www.reddit.com/.../

There was also some book by a male evolutionary psychologist in the early 2000s that argued that men have natural urges to rape. I forget the name. I'll let you know if I can find it.

Personally I think this is a misandrist statement and these guys are projecting their own degeneracy onto all other men. But I am curious why antifeminists blame this stereotype on feminists when it's far more prevalent among antifeminists?

[TruthBringer]

@mistixs That first article made me laugh. It's clear that there is a prejeduce against Arabs/Muslims. And seeing this is all based on Dennis Prager's book, a man working for PragerU (A Zionist backed university), I quickly got to realize that this article has an agenda. Mainly against Arabs/Muslims. it makes it sound like rape in Europe is mostly done by immigrants. Asif rape wasn't a thing until immigrants (mostly refugees excuse them) came to Europe. Although not everything is incorrect. It's within the primal instinct of a man to dominate and spread his seed. Either through submission of women or through force. THis is mother nature's way of doing. But to say all men would go and rape when given the chance is very debatable. There is a reason why religion and secular laws exist. To combat barbarism. The human race is darker than most people realize.

[mistixs]

You: "You can thank modern modern feminism, the MeToo and cancelculture for this. Men are being portrayed like savage horny men who can't control their impulses. Yet the majority of men CAN control themselves." You: "It's within the primal instinct of a man to dominate and spread his seed. Either through submission of women or through force." Okay then...

[mistixs]

Oh wait, now I get it. You said feminists make it seem like men can't control their impulses, which implies men do have these impulses. However I don't think most feminists would say that most men have rape impulses.

[TruthBringer]

@mistixs Clearly you lack knowledge about male biology. Throughout the history of mankind, barbarism has been in abundance. Because it's wirtten in our DNA. Does that mean we can't control our impulses? Yes we can. And especially with laws, these impulses are surpressed even more. Lovely how you cherry pick quotes in order to suit your own narrative, but that doesn't work. What I'm doing is simply recognizing a specific biological nature and the capability to surpress. Women are hypergamous in nature aswel, but many know how to surpress this nature. Otherwise, every woman would sleep with the next guys she encounters and perceives to be "better" than her current partner. So she can't comit. It would be an endless cycle. And my point about feminism, MeToo and cancel culture was about women falsely accusing men of thigns they haven't done. Read carefully before you start making up your own false narrative and putting words in my mouth.

[mistixs]

"hypergamy" simply means that a woman marries a man with higher status than herself. It doesn't mean that women monkeybranch from guy to guy. That's how the manosphere has twisted it but that's not what the word means.

[TruthBringer]

@mistixs Yes, that's what that term means. However, it does play a role with monkey branching if she perceives another male as 'better' than her current partner if she lacks impulse control. If you don't think hypergamy stretches beyond just perceiving someone as better than herself, then I got news for you.

[triff]

That sounds so unfair We ar not all tarred to the same brush I would never lay a finger on any female ( unless asked ) I have to much respect

[ACupOfFrosting]

Do you want a medal or something?

[triff]

Thàts very kind of you but ill refuse on this occasion I merely wanted to have it on record that not all men are rapists But caution is always wise

[ACupOfFrosting]

Where did anyone say that all men are rapists? You're going against your own point. First you're all like "NOT ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS" then you're like "BUT BEING CAUTIOUS IS GOOD". No. Pick a side man.

[ACupOfFrosting]

You either think being cautious is good or you think that you shouldn't be cautious cuz "not all men".

[IAMNathanael]

@ACupOfFrosting Actually, he's got a good point. Its true not every man is a rapist. In fact Im gonna go ahead and say most aren't. But it's also true you should be careful of people. Just looking at men (or even women) on the street you can't tell which is which. That's why your parents always tell you "don't talk to strangers".

[ACupOfFrosting]

@IAMNathanael yes have you read what I said lmao

[IAMNathanael]

I have read it. The way I understood it sounds like you think what he said is totally contradictory and he has to pick a side. I basically said the same thing he did.

[ACupOfFrosting]

@IAMNathanael Yes why did you say the same thing he did lol. I know. I still don't understand what y'all mean. You can't just say/think both. It's unproductive n sounds like you don't know exactly how u feel about it.

[IAMNathanael]

I just tried to explain it more. But I don't think I can explain it any better or different. If you still don't understand then maybe this is just where we disagree. Ain't nothing wrong with it either

[ACupOfFrosting]

@IAMNathanael okay

[SjE78]

could be some who worry have been the victim of rape before, and even though they know not all are like that, they cannot help being more worried and fearful of it happening again... even after building up trust with someone they know or even love...

[Maraneva]

700K is still a pretty big number. Thing is though, bad reputation is like a drop of poison mixed in a bucket of water. Doesn't matter that there is a lot more water. One drop is all it takes to ruin everything. For example, all the men of the world except one man can be saints and if that man does something wrong, the world will suspect them all of being bad. It's just human psychology 🤷

[jshm2]

Simple, bucko. Statistically, there is a rape in the USA every 2 minutes. 80% of rapes are committed by men.

You do the math.

[BustyNeedles]

.0024% Of the population. You’re more likely to die in a car accident.

[BustyNeedles]

Also, show the data. From where you get this info

[Inquisitive3]

I don't think it's good to worry about anything but it is good to be be cautious.

A quick search showed this:

"Surveys and rape statistics by gender have found that 1 in 6 American women, and 1 in 33 American men has experienced an attempted/completed rape as a child or adult."

https://legaljobsite.net/sexual-assault-statistics/

If true, 1 in 6 is a high chance of it happening to you.

[Don-__-Don]

You know how the minority of bad people in a particular group can ruin the reputation for the entire group.

A few bad men and it'll have certain people thinking all men are just rapists. A flawed, generalized way of thinking.

Although in some cases, understandable.

Although in this particular case, I don't know.

[JessieBellll]

I agree, people place too much emphasis on minorities

[YaBoiJacob]

Because in todays culture, with everything that men get fed on the internet about social standards, men have a lot to live up to. also, it's america, weird shit happens.