I'm not sure about the alpha vs beta terminology. People seem to have a problem with it and get too hung up on cartoonish ideas of what either of those things mean.
But there's no doubt that women will act very differently towards different types of men depending on how attracted to the guy they are, what they want from the guy, and what he's offering.
I've seen this first-hand, with my own eyes, and many other men have seen the same thing.
When I want something casual I'll tell the girl straight-up, I'm not into lying. Not only because I'd feel like a piece of shit if I broke the girl's heart like that, but also because it actually makes getting laid casually harder than it needs to be. Guys who do that not only hurt women but also shoot themselves in the foot at the same time.
Before you bring it up though obviously you have to get to know the girl a bit, flirt with her, see how she responds, make sure she's not a nutcase, make sure she knows you're not a serial killer etc.
I'd always end up getting into conversations about sex and relationships. The women would tell me that they prefer relationships to casual sex, and often they'd say that they never have casual sex at all. They like to take things slow. That they can't understand men and women who sleep around and disrespect their bodies in that way because they could never do that. They'd tell me they had maybe 3 partners at most.
At this point they'd pegged me as boyfriend material.
Then I'd tell them that I was only looking for something casual, and they'd either get shocked or get mad. If they genuinely weren't interested they'd talk a bit, the conversation would end, and they'd never speak to me again. That's fair enough, that's what I wanted to happen if they weren't interested, I gave them that choice. However the ones who were into me would then begin to say that they're "not that kind of girl" and they'd try to convince me to consider a relationship, but I'd stick to my guns. Again the conversation would end.
A few days, or maybe a week or two after, they'd get in touch again after realising I wasn't gonna budge. Only this time they became much more flirty, more sexual. I'd steer the conversation toward sex again, and it was almost like they'd forgotten everything they'd told me before. They'd had one night stands, fuck buddies etc. Their real partner count was 3-10x the number they told me before.
I'd talk dirty to them, get into fantasies and whatnot, get them hot. Then we'd agree to meet shortly afterwards, either that night or the next. I'd fuck them that night, and maybe we'd be fwbs for a bit. Every rule they wanted to hold me to before when they pegged me as the "beta provider" type went out the window.
Also when I say guys who lie shoot themselves in the foot, what I mean is that they play the potential boyfriend game, which makes her treat him as she would a beta provider and make him work harder to get laid.
Great content we share similar experiences but I don't get those tests anymore, they see me straight sexual and we have sex at the same night. Then I take a picture for myself just to remember and not fall in low self esteem in the case If I was working for a long time and maybe I forgot I was even dating. I don't recommend you doing that though, but I enjoy taking pictures of girls in the bed anyways. I share this bc the reason they put this test in you about to be the provider earlier is either you mix beta behaviors, provider ones, with alphas ones or you still not understanding your full sexual potential 100%, and no one does, but the more you understand the more easy is to have sex with any woman and besides they will jump into you. Now what is happening with me recently is that they offer me sex first then they try to make me as their boyfriend and notice I do not mix beta and providers, because for me beta is the weak/fake guy and the provider is the boyfriend. I do not consider boyfriend as weak, since I've met alpha bfs or strong relationships (as well I had great relationships untill she proved me the contrary) I believe there's a zone a guy most be careful about and all tests woman do is like submarine radar once they know you they stop testing. The type of relationship you build depends enterely on you and your perspectives.
@romeo_and_cats Yeah the more you do this and have sex with these girls the more the tests go away. I guess it must be a confidence thing. Like they can sense the type of guy you are by how you talk and carry yourself. They'll always try to convince you to have a relationship later anyway, especially if you fuck them well. I think they respect a guy a lot more when he understands the game, I don't think they can respect guys who don't fully.
Somewhat true. Somewhat misleading.
In my opinion, some women make these kinds of ridiculous statements like, "I'm only romantically interested in men who are over 6 feet tall with six pack abs and over 1,000,000 in the bank," as a test of security and confidence. Maybe they're not even aware of it themselves, but I guarantee you 100% that those types of women will break those requirements if they meet a strong, independent, confident man. I've seen it over and over and over again. If you, as a man, act like you don't give a flying fuck about what her "perfect" man would be, she will suddenly question why you are so confident and be extremely interested. Of course, this depends on the woman, there still has to be chemistry--but, look at it as a shit test of sorts.
"You man enough to try, even though the odds aren't in your favor? How valuable are you? Am I worth fighting for even when it seems hopeless?" It's obvious feminine technique.
However, you also have to think from being the ideal man. Both an Alpha and a Provider. That ticks all boxes off. Not only do you prove you have valuable DNA, you also prove that you have access to a breadth of women, but you specifically have chosen this one woman to be yours. Nothing gets a chick off more than the idea that she has "won" the lottery. In fact that's what virtually all women wait for. Some man randomly to sweep them off their feet in their day-to-day lives. It's sexy as hell to most of them--that idea.
So. Be both. Alpha and beta. In fact, that's basically what humans are. We are alpha, beta, omega depending on our environment and choices, more than by design, like gorillas. Naturally, there are the more athletically inclined, the more popular, the more confident, etc, and we could dub them Alphas--but, we can also dub human alphas as leaders. And this is a learnable skill. Some will be better than others, but you can always boost your badassery/social skills/leadership/providing capability. You can be both alpha and beta--the best of both worlds. This is, quite simply, neuroplasticity. Become who you want to be.
Well said.
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@ninjazzed @romeo_and_cats Elaborative.
Not really. It's more like, women look for reasons to reject betas, and we look for reasons to love alphas. We don't break rules for alphas, but we will overlook certain things. Like if a guy is unemployed but build like a Greek God, lots of girls will excuse his lack of a job because they want him so bad. Guys do the same thing because they are even more affected by sexual attraction than we are.
What if he’s a beta but has an 8 inch peepee
If you overlook certain things for alphas that you wouldn't overlook for betas then that necessarily implies that you have rules for betas that you are willing to break for alphas. XD
no women want sex just as much
I think many people (both men and women) let hot people get away with more than unattractive people would. Like I've seen hot celebrities be practically worshipped despite doing things that an unattractive person would be canceled for.
People want to spread their seed with the most healthy amongst us, and they're willing to let them slide because so. Even though attractiveness doesn't really correlate with intrinsic health it has the appearance of doing so
Like Russell Brand
@romeo_and_cats Kidda funny you say that because Russell Brand is like worshipped in the PUA community lmao.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!I was all on board with the truth in this statement till I read the description, and looking at some of the responses I am gonna say that a lot of the female input in here has no idea what the alpha/beta discussion is about. lol no offense, but the original author clearly doesn't either. It is an archetypal hierarchy, and in the traditional sense yes a women is going to pick a alpha type over a beta. Unless the alpha type is a Gaston if you will. Women want a true alpha, not an alpha bully/douche bag. In that sense it comes down to nice guy vs douche bag over Alpha vs Beta. Nice guy alphas are actually pretty rare so I'm gonna say the nice guy is gonna win whether he is alpha or beta.
Nice guy betas are "rare" because the whole concept is retarded. I'm 6'2, work out and get women but I am a beta because I grew up People are too ideologically and idiosyncratic to mass label monolithically.
*I'm internally beta due to my geek childhood and emotional sensitivity but I'm externally alpha because I'm tall, work out and somewhat attractive. The whole idea is stupid
@TerminallyChill Alpha has nothing to do with size or if you are a geek or not. You prove my point on the lack of understanding for it. Yes it is a label. The name you were given at birth is a label, the description of the sky being "blue" is a label. I am an alpha female. It's a personality trait. Facts don't care whether or not you understand them, nor your feelings about them. This whole conversation is inaccurate as the terminology is not being used correctly. Alpha and beta are described by behavioral feature. Nothing you listed about yourself could indicate whether you are alpha or beta. I also said nice guy ALPHAS are rare. Maybe the concept is retarded to you because your not following? or know much about it? Just a thought
This is less a case of the A/B classification. He’s just attractive and muscular. If he is charismatic and intelligent, he may just have gravitas to sleep with most women with little effort outside of a few dates.
Never had sex with a “smooth talking hottie not interested in a long term commitment.”
Don’t like smooth talkers or men not willing to commit.
So do you like talkers who quiver and fumble their words?
No, I like people who talk normally.
How long did you know the partner you lost your virginity to before having sex with him?
Can we stop this whole Alpha/Beta thing already? It is very silly.
ru dj khaleds wife?
I don’t know. This feels like too much of a generalization to me.
That depends on the woman I think. personally if a woman had different standards I wouldn't date her. I don't mind waiting until we get to know each other, but her making me wait and some one else doesn't? She is not a high quality woman and I want nothing to do with her. If she i loose with every one, well, I don't want her but I at least respect the fact that she is consistent so I won't hate her either. Personally, I would rather be with the woman who has her standards and sticks to her standards i. e. a woman of character. That said, well again, I think all of these types of women exist but as to what the ratio is, that I cannot say (but I'm leaning towards more women have standards for one type of guy and a different standard for another then those who have a set standard for every one).
Who uses the word beta male and alpha male in 2021.
We’re humans not animals?
It's not even true in animals. The dude who came up with the theory later disavowed it when he realized he was observing parent wolves interacting with their pups.
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Yes, true. We aren’t animals. It was a way to describe someone’s personality based on one word. They don’t mean your an animal, they mean it as you either have traits of dominancy or submissive betas.
The big problem with trying to categorise someone as an Alpha is basing it on looks and size alone,
this is not always true in animal kingdom and nor is it for humans.
for example, yeah okay the picture appears to show a guy that looks fit, however what if he is shit at maths, crap English, crap at usual bloke stuff around the house.
as soon as he interacts socially with other guys, both Alphas and Betas then he instantly fails, the girl with him, instantly realises that, he is a bit thick and he plummets from Alpha position at the dinner table.
I have seen it a number of times where a strong intelligent woman literally strips him mentally and leaves him to other males to take piss out of. Just being an Alpha based on body type and sex, pretty much means socially they are fucked.
Also, if a guy is an Alpha he is the one making the rules and deciding if the girl has broken them
Never thought about it like this before, but true.
Extremely true.
Hey, Can I know your opinion on a topic in your DM?
Oh so we're still using dumb terms like "alpha" and "beta" as ways to describe men? Fun.
God, this Alpha/Beta bullshit never ends.
It's like people have nothing better to do 🙄
100%
Often time the reason for that is she doesn't know she's being smooth-talked.
When a true master of game goes to work he'll hit all the right buttons ring all the right bells and that will make his interaction with the girl something out of a movie.
But here's the secret not everyone shares: you can be that alpha or a beta it's a choice not a genetic obligation like gendre.
All you have to do is apprach a woman the right way. Make jokes but not to many jokes, flirt but don't kiss her feet, take the lead but don't push her around.
Plus maintain your physique, it's something yoy can control.
(I say "you" but I'm talking about guys in general)
I too thought I was the nice guy for a long time and I made the mistake of being one and got taken advantage of by women who are now seeing other guys and never gave me a chance.
Then I decided to change, and became what you call an alpha but it's only a more outgoing version of myself.
You cannot believe the results I've been getting since. Sex on date 1 and much much more. For the first time in my life I'm actually the one rejecting a woman for not being my type instead of being so hungry I'd say yes to anyone.
There is no way to simplify female attraction, and in my opinion there is no way for men to understand it. At least not in a way that can be written down.
It's like describing color to a blind person. A man is incapable of knowing what attracts women, without experiencing attracting women himself.
Attracting women is like an emotion. Its a feeling. Energy or something.
Imagine the kid at school who gets bullied. What can that kid do to stop being bullied? You may tell him to just relax and be himself, tell him to Express those things that the cool kids who have no fear of being bullied express.
But the bullied kid can never understand what it's like to act like, and Express themselves the same way to cool kids can. And I'm not saying the cool kids are the bullies inthis example.
The same goes with women in my opinion. If you struggle with girls, you're basically the kid at school who gets bullied. You're torn down and shat on, and your real self is destroyed and replaced with a damaged person.
The only way to be attractive to women, is to basically do the same things that bullied kid would have to do to become the cool kid. And its possible. The kid could show up at school one day, with a completely different presence, and people have no Choice but to change their perception of him. But describing what that change would look like, how he would process the steps needed, how he would obtain that energy and presence, is an impossible task. And that's the difference between the "alpha" and the "beta." The alpha Male gets girls, the beta Male does not. No other definition need apply. It ONLY applies to acquisition of sex. And the beta does not get sex, because he emits the presence of the kid who is bullied around girls. The alpha gets girls because he emits the presence of a cool kid. Again, cool kids dont need to be bullies themselves to be the cool kid. But, sometimes being a bully earns you cool points. And I think women are attracted to all forms of "cool kid." whether it's the positive or the bully, different women like different kinds of cool kid. But the bullied kid aka the beta male, will never have attention from girls.
So in my opinion when you see the rules are different for the beta Male vs the alpha Male. The same exact rule applies for the loser kid who gets bullied and the cool kids. The loser kid can emulate the exact same behavior as the cool kid would have done, but it only drops the loser kid lower and lower. There is no action that the loser kid can take to change his status, and it goes lower when he tries. The only option he has to change his status as loser, is to change his presence and energy. And that why guys can't understand women. Because we think logically and girls think emotionally. They interact with emotions and energy. That's why the beta male stays beta. He is trapped forever unless he manages to find a way to go from blind to seeing so to speak.
This alpha and beta shit makes me want to throw up. You all boil people down to such shallow ideals.
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Amen! I'm not a fan of both male and female circles that talk like this. I see it as hurt people that have to prioritize the pain. It has to make sense why or who the are and are not. Individuals who made wrong relationship choices. They saw the red flags but became color blind because of their wants and needs.
THat is what you say but in your behavior and actions that is how you treat us. The Nice Guy you want to marry and settle down with. The Hot Stud isn't relationship material but you want to bang after you go to the club. There's plenty of girlfriends out there who are dating a guy because he is a nice guy and they know he will stick around and won't leave. But they are flirting and texting Mr. Hottie on the side to see if they can line him up as the next boo.
Its hot when alpha males dominate us
This site is so crazy.
So Alpha males are the types who can talk women into sex and beta males aren't?
Wow. . .
Just because I am good at dating, doesn't mean I am a total jerk. And just because a woman makes you wait to have sex, doesn't mean you are anywhere close to being a nice guy.
In fact, the vast majority of men here who claim to be nice guys are the exact opposite.
I think I understand the terms, "Alpha Male" is the TOP in the BDSM relationship and "Beta Male" is the BOTTOM. Am I right? Are these the words used in the Grinder app?
This is 100% correct. Women make guys who they find attractive and want get away with much more compared to men who they perceive as "unattractive". I've gotten away with far more "rude" things than my buddies have. When a guy they want is being straight forward and "rude", they perceive it as bold, confident etc. While if the lesser attractive guy does it, he is perceived as a "creep", "weirdo", etc.
I've never heard such shit in all my life. Men who shag about aren't 'alphas'. Men who commit and serve his family are
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