Accusations are just accusations; is there any evidence? Helping someone claiming victimhood and punishing someone accused of wrongdoing are not the same thing. For that matter, since when is hitting on women morally wrong? If there's no attempts at battery or assault, what exactly do I know that he's done wrong? I'm not down with cheating, but if I don't know this guy, I don't know what his relationship is like. Sure, he could be a scumbag. He could also be in an open marriage, honest and aboveboard about it all.
More relevantly, though, what does this have to do with painting a house? Saying that an accusation is enough to destroy someone's ability to make a living IS morally reprehensible, so far as I'm concerned. Have you never heard the story of Emmett Till? That wasn't just about racism.
As an employer my policies actions and methods of administration in my business would be exclusive and relevant to the operation of that business without exception and without deviation if those young persons that you're referring to are employed by me then yeah he's out of there if they're not then I don't want to hear about it
No I would not fire an individual based on he said she said heard it through the grape vine gossip. There would need to be evidence or an active investigation/court case against him. The individual will keep the position so long as he behaves professional towards me and my family and there is no official police/court accusation.
Now an accusation of child/adolescent abuse I may not tolerate and may yield to listening to a vocal allegations even if not involved in a court case or an official police investigation. I say "may" because it would depend on the source of the accusation. I would have to consider the person informing me. Is this person a gossiper who takes pleasure in he said she said nonsense or someone I can trust and is level headed?
Did you read the update?
Yes I read your update however I still feel I must make my position clear!
Thanks for the mho 🙂
Chose the last one. It’s none of my business what someone else chooses to do. Besides, who knows? Maybe his relationship is similar to mine, and is thus allowed by his wife to do such things.
Bottom line, if he can do the job well and hasn’t actually hurt anyone, I don’t care if he flirts with a hundred women.
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"young girls"
Which one is it? Younger women implies adults. Young girls implies young teens or lower.
If they are adults, I would probably still hire him. If they are young girls, and I think the accusations are true, I would not.
I would have to wait till I got proof of it happening, otherwise I am losing a good chance of him doing work on my house for a fair price.
I guess the least I could do is become more observant of him, but for the most part I genuinely cannot just take someones word for it regarding a claim without any proof, there are a lot of girls who make sexual assault claims against men falsely out of spite, so I can't just up and say that they are correct without some images or videos showing him him trying to do such things.
And even written things would not fully make me believe it unless it was on his own account that I had logged into and looked at because messages can be easily written by someone else.
I'm just saying I won't kick someone off their job from unproven allegations.
Before I can answer that with confidence, how young are we talking here, like he's just an old guy that's still pulling women in, and using the lack of experience as an edge, or he's a legit pedophile? Honestly it would depend on the price too... If he's cheap as hell, damn, I do like money.
I mean, if he's no risk to my family, I'd keep the job going, though in reality the cheapness rears up again, I have to paint and do any maintenance I'm capable of doing. Typically that means if a pro fixes it, I'm watching real close, then breaking it down and reassembling when they leave so I don't have to pay someone else again.
I would need proof as women can accuse a man of rape or other things that are not true. For all we know the girls asked for a big discount for sex and he refused and they got pissed off and spread lies.
yes i would and give him poor recommendations for inappropriate behavior at work. their is a time and a place. but not on my dime if he wants a job and she can leave with him if she thinks im gonna let it slide.
I went F, as it’s not my business and don’t give a toss.
the key bit is what you mean by younger, 30? 20? 17?
how old is the painter?
Lot of variables to a seemly simple question.
I said I would fire him, but I thought you were talking about being predatory towards very young women. If he's just a cheating douchebag I probably wouldn't care as long as he did a good job on my house. I would definitely think less of him but as long as he's not being abusive/predatory/harassing people and I dont have proof I could anonymously send the wife I wouldn't get involved.
I don't have a daughter, and so what, about what he did in the past! EVERYONE makes mistakes, and I would have no problem, AT ALL, hiring the guy, and I wouldn't be judging him!!
I love reading about these businesses that focus on hiring people that have just been paroled, and may have committed some crimes in their past. They work with them, and teach them a trade, a way to make money, respectably, so they don't return to the life they had before, whatever that was!
Everyone deserves at least, a second chance.
Was he like abusive towards those women? Or is he just a womanizer?
if he is abusive then I cannot support an abusive person in any way. If he is just a male slut then meh he isn't gonna use his dick to paint my house right?
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If he's a peado yes. If he's just a creep no.
It's foolish to make a knee jerk judgment on someone without knowing all the pieces of what happened. Accusations are one thing, but it's another story if it is proven and verified through witnesses.
I would have him continue his job. If, however I had legit proof, then I wouldn't hire him and would fire him.
If he has done it on the job, yes. In his private life? It depends what he actually did.
I don't think all lecherous people should be banned from employment living off welfare.
So as long as he's professional at work, so be it.
as for his marriage, I don't know what's going on inside it. For all I know they gave an open marriage or have faded ri being friends over time. Maybe not. I'm not going to actively cover up for him but I've seen too many terrible marriages to judge without knowing a lot more.
Your update making it clear nothing illegal was involved makes it irrelevant to why I'd hired him - assuming I didn't have a daughter.
If I had a daughter that age I wouldn't want him around her.
I would not fire him, because allegations or just that... it could all be upset people who are trying to ruin his life over some slight in the past.
Simply helping him make income is not actually supporting what he allegedly did. It is better to have people employed than out of work.
You think people are bad when they are working and have others saying they did this bad thing or not, now imagine they have no income and thus nothing to lose. What does anyone think they will do?
The most dangerous person in the world is someone that has nothing left to lose.
Depends if the advances were consensual
I get what you’re saying. In the real life example you’re basing this on, the advances were (allegedly) not consensual. That’s why my first reaction was that Andrew Cuomo should be removed from office. The mere fact that he flirted with other women while married, although morally unpleasant and maybe grounds for divorce, is not grounds for removal in my opinion.
This is where these things get complex. This guy in question is a house painter (not that ex house painters are problems lmao). When you change professions and it’s public eye, level of scrutiny level of responsibility, it all changes. For example, if my house painter was a racist I would not really be concerned as long as he did a good job, decent price and shut up around me. Now however, if that person was a judge, a school teacher hired to do tutoring, a security guard hired to protect my property, completely different answer. Context is sooo important
How long is someone going to be forced to redeem himself/herself from past mistakes?
A lifetime?
Of course, I would. I don't want to condone such behavior.
An accusation is not a conviction, a rumor is even lower on the evidence ladder. Anyone can say anything about anyone.
Depends on the situation. There are 15 yo girls who aren't innocent at all, who could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.
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