Do you agree that 20% of the top men are responsible for the 80% of the hook ups?

[Anonymous]

[Sangita93]

The 80-20 rule is popular in Statistical Quality Control – SQC, also known as the Pareto Principle, is an aphorism which asserts that 80% of outcomes (or outputs) result from 20% of all causes (or inputs) for any given event. In business, a goal of the 80-20 rule is to identify inputs that are potentially the most productive and make them the priority. It is also known as “The Law of the Vital Few” and “The Principle of Factor Scarcity”. Italian-born economist Vilfredo Pareto developed logarithmic mathematical models to describe this non-uniform distribution of wealth and the mathematician M. O. Lorenz developed graphs to illustrate it. Dr. Joseph Juran was the first to point out that what Pareto and others had observed was a “universal” principle, one that applied in an astounding variety of situations, not just economic activity, and appeared to hold without exception in problems of quality. Many women see as a priority in a potential partner the ability to treat her and others with kindness and respect. So we would seek out partners who are most likely to do this i. e. if 80% of the men she knows show some inclination to treat others with respect, she will work out that of that 80% there are those more or less likely to meet her desire and select accordingly. That is she will choose the ‘top men’ in this category. If her priority is ‘who would be the easiest to bed’ the logic is the same-pursue the most ‘easy’ men. If you are a man wanting a successful relationship with a woman, do not waste your energy trying to fit another man’s idea of what is great; find a woman who values your own unique combination of qualities instead-you will automatically be in her own ‘20%’. There is a thing called Sexual Market Value. Men with higher SMV can attract more women. SMV depends on many things like looks, personality, authenticity, job, money, race, popularity etc. Unlike Long Term Relationship, In Short Term Relationship, the bank balance is not the main factor. The males with highest SMV percentile will win the attention of most women. In real life, this rule does not apply for following reasons: -Polygamy is considered criminal in most countries, the society is regressive and women do not have the right to romance openly, High STR SMV doesn't corelate with High LTR SMV in most cases. For LTR, bank balance, race, and religion account for 90% points. It is not possible to be in touch with all women who are interested in you. Your choice is limited by your surroundings. This is also true in case of women. 80% men are attracted to 20% or less women. When you hear statistics thrown around, engage your rational brain.

[Syrian_survivor]

My last 2 brain cells screamed in agony as I tried reading this

[icedip]

This makes sense but long term has it's objects and short term has it's own too. The 20% would differ from one person and another which i think is fair enough. This is how life works to make humans productive and the rest is up to morals and religion.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Interesting take on an age-old principle!

[Nimphfromtx]

Unfortunate is true I wish more Woman were honestly into hook ups. Not using hook ups to find a relationship which obviously not a good idea and gives us women a bad rap. Guys into hook ups are always on guard looking to prevent a woman from catching feelings. Like somehow we convinced men that that’s their job and not our job to maintain our own emotions.

[KrakenAttackin]

@nimphfromtx. "I wish more women were into hookups"? Are you out of your fucking mind? Women are more miserable than they have ever been in recorded history, largely due to hookup culture, and you want women to self-destruct more?

[Nimphfromtx]

@KrakenAttackin yes I believe that is half true. I enjoy hooking up and I’m very happy and know many other women like me. But we are all older. The women (usually younger) using hook-ups to get intimate attention (not physical attention) are left feeling “used” or emotionally dysfunctional. Because for intimate sex or emotional connection you need to build a relationship with the person. A hookup is not going to do that. Hookups are for fun not for filling any emotional connection needs.

[Archerer]

That's why older women are so much better, mature, know what they want, no games, no confusion

[Nimphfromtx]

@Archerer right! Aged into beauty like a fine wine. 😊

[Anonymous]

not 100%

but they get most of the attention
cause when you actually look at statistics

60% to 70% of the male population has sex
but most of the women are looking for that 10 to 15%

and even then
THEY STILL WON'T BE HAPPY

female dating strategy on reddit
a girl made a post saying she finally
GOT HER 10 GUY ( tall, attractive, money, etc)

a few months later
she made a post
saying she is not happy

WHY?
cause women belong to the streets

remember women want to be sluts
THEY DON'T WANT A GOOD MAN

it's what they want so treat them as such

[Syrian_survivor]

Why is the first woman eating soap I don't think that's healthy, I've eaten soap before but it didn't taste good

[Asker]

@Syrian_survivor LOL !!

[Opinion Owner]

@Syrian_survivor LOL

[MCheetah]

Yes. The 80-20 Rule applies with women, for sure. It's called Hypergamy. The idea that women only "date up" and exclusively only go after 8's, 9's, and 10's, no matter how bad for her they may be.

[AmandaYVR]

Never heard that but it makes a lot of sense.
I voted yes.

[jaybee281]

I used to not agree and tell myself it's dumb - then I just looked around me - Ask yourself in your classroom how many dudes are actually getting laid - In my high school classroom there was 52 people - among them 25 guys - Of them all only myself and 2 other guys were getting laid - Hell my 2 best friends don't get laid ever and I lacked that much awareness - that's the problem with people who deny it.

[jaybee281]

Like I swear most girls who say it's not true probably have a few male "friends" they always talk to (we all know the dude actually wants to fuck) or like me they just hate the idea of thinking that these people act like they're victims and you think it's rare to see it - in reality it ain't..

[purplepoppy]

No far from it. Your far more likely to be approached by the bottom dwellers than the top guys. Thats why we reject so many guys.

[EyesOfGod]

Lol thats a girl problem only. Bottom guys don't get approached unless its a ghost an old lady or someone butt ugly.

[jaybee281]

Exactly - so only 20% get hookups

[KrakenAttackin]

But do you fuck the "bottom dwellers"?

[purplepoppy]

Let's put it this way, who are the top 20% doctors, lawyers etc. Are these really the ones who are pounding us senseless in club toilets? The truth is it's ordinary every day guys so stop deluding yourselves its only the top few men who get sex

[Asker]

Define " ordunary , everyday men ". A construction worker who is 6'3" and in a great shape and has an average face with a little social skills , could have more women drooling over him than a 5'10" obese but very successful doctor.

[purplepoppy]

He might turn our eye but without social sklls he won't get in our panties

[Asker]

So we will have to he social butyerflies now... Ok.

[Asker]

Butterflies.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

You see the contradiction though? If 10 guys approach you and you reject 8 on the basis that they're "bottom feeders", then by definition you've just proved OP's '80/20 rule' theory

[KrakenAttackin]

@SomeGuyCalledTom You are trying to reason with females.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

@KrakenAttackin Bold of you to assume I'm capable of reason 🙄🤣

[KrakenAttackin]

@purplepoppy. If you have had a few drinks and a hot guy comes along, no matter his personality or your relationship status, a girls panties will make a sonic boom dropping to the floor.

[purplepoppy]

Almost true. Enough drink and he doesn't have to be that hot

[loves2learn]

What are “top” men?

[obtuseocelot]

Pitchers, not the catchers.

[loves2learn]

Mkay. 🤔

[obtuseocelot]

😂😜

[OlderAndWiser]

You should have had four choices

A. Yes, and I have had multiple sexual partners in the past
B. Yes, and I am a virgin
C. No, and I have had multiple sexual partners in the past
D. No, and I am a virgin

I think you would have discovered that guys who are having sex use this as an excuse and stop believing it as soon as they start getting laid.

[Asker]

I dissagree. I have been told that for the first time irl from a guy who is really successful in that area.

[OlderAndWiser]

One guy said it so it must be true.

[Asker]

I have heard taht from many people since then. Well I do not have problem with my situation. I really like my life. The tranquility , the absence of drama, my hobbies , my studies. But it is really interesting for me to see how many people have tose different opinions about this topic.

[OlderAndWiser]

I don't consider myself a stud or the kind of physical specimen that women idolize but I have never had a problem finding women to date, and many of them were quite eager to have a sexual relationship. Women could equally say that 20% of the women get 80% of the interest from guys. The majority of people of both sexes are not in the top tier of physical attractiveness. Does that mean that 80% of all women are virgins? Or only had sex once? Go to the mall (if your area is re-opened), have a seat in a main corridor, and watch the couples stroll by. Do they all look like movies stars and beauty pageant winners? No, they look like normal people. Some of them are quite unattractive but they found somebody and they are strolling hand-in-hand.

[Asker]

For the first paragraph I would just say if u were a gen-Z member , you wouldn't have that much of success. For the second paragraph , I would say I would probably agree. For the third paragraph I would reply that not everyone has general attraction to eavh other. Most peopla are opportunists. So a good bunch of relationships are formed on othe premises.

[OlderAndWiser]

A large number of younger people are not as adept with their social skills because they rely on digital communications - texting, messenger, etc. - rather than actually talking to the opposite sex. And then they look for an excuse for their lack of success rather than accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings. And the current sociopolitical climate reinforces the idea that if you have a problem, it is someone else's fault and someone else should fix it for you. But if anyone wants to persist in believing that their lack of success is simply because that are not a member of the elite top 20%, they can hold on to that belief, but it offers very little prospect for improving their life and is counterproductive.

[Asker]

Thank you for the conversatiion , sir !! Have a nice day.

[OlderAndWiser]

You, too!

[MrBadd]

It is true.

20% isn't such a tiny number if you think about it. It's 1 in 5.

Most guys are frustrated and don't know how to get laid. Look at the questions they ask and the way they talk. They sound like 12 year olds, speaking about "crushes" they've been obsessing over for months, never making a move. Women keep asking about guys who stare at them and never do anything.

That's the average dude's strategy, that's why they don't get laid much.

[Asker]

I do not ask women out!! idc at this point.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Nah, That's just something people who don't get laid think. The people who get the most are the people who understand how women work.

There's two avenues after that but the best one is to be direct and honest about your intentions. And be playful. Girls like to be teased. Sexually and mentally. It's hard to explain how to do it through text so I'll just say, look out for guys who girls like, who do this.

[modelUN242]

Probably. I always see one guy hanging out with lots of girls, and he's usually attractive.

[Bubbles45]

Would you happen to have any kind of statistics showing this?

[pokerbot]

It's anecdotal.

[The_Maphio]

It sounds pretty far fetched, but to say that many of the yearly numbers belongs to them could be up for debate.

[Dali-chan]

This bullshit about the 20% top men being being the only one getting action, is just a theory created by some Incels with shitty social skills. Average and below average people fuck and date each other all the time, just go outside.

[obtuseocelot]

1 in 5 isn't that ridiculous of an estimate. It's not a far-fetched theory.

[shalt]

Still, there's plenty of studies and experiments that prove we're biochemically dispositioned to end up with someone within a few marks of a basic "attractive" scale, some rare cases slip through, but usually not, human kind isn't trying to procreate everyone to have cancer, or all men to have smaller Johnsons.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

No one said they were the only ones. The number was 20% getting 80%. But that probably is an expansion of dating app studies that are a few years old at this point showing that only 20% of men were rated as above average, and obviously 80% below average. But that 20/80 ratio does appear every so often across a few different things. And appears consistent in hook ups.

[Asker]

@obtuseocelot Thank you !!

[Asker]

Also the " go out more " is such a biomer advice !! Put on cologne and shower as well I personally do have social skills , I do have friends , I do have lab partners. Male and female. I am below average in looks though. Also if I need to be a social butterfly to attract a woman or to approach hundreds or tens of them for one to be impressed , no I am not doing it. I am a busy man. I have things to do daily.

[Alpha4U]

Thats why women opinions about dating means shit...

[obtuseocelot]

She's right about one thing: the incels did come running to trash up the thread.

[Alpha4U]

^^ I hope she sees this, bro

[Asker]

@obtuseocelot lol

[Jazzi02]

Yes. The top 20% of men are easily responsible for the majority of hookups. Tinder, bumble and such make it easy to select the most attractive.

[Asker]

Thank you !! For being honest...

[NathanDavis]

No, I am not an idiot.

[Asker]

I believe that.

[NathanDavis]

Don't hurt yourself.

[Asker]

What does that suppose to mean? I meant that I believe on the question i asked.

[NathanDavis]

Like someone else here, it is just an excuse and a negative perception, of reality... which is also untrue, and that will hurt you in many ways.

[Asker]

Can you point some of the ways ,

[NathanDavis]

You're already posting nonsense in order to try to validate your bias. That's one way to hurt your psyque, and also your chances of actually engaging in any kind of relationship you're aiming for.

[BeMuse]

Nope, it's usually the short fat hairy guys that have no standards and will bulldoze anything that get laid the most. When you have no standards, you have endless options.

[BeMuse]

High quality men usually have higher standards. Less women match those requirements.

[RedSauce]

Nah, seems like a convenient excuse for those guys without game to point the finger to a reason why they aren’t getting laid

[Asker]

If i have to approach hundreds of women or spent hundreds of hours to learn " game" , then I am. sorry I am not doing that... I have sh*t to do in a daily basis... I am a busy individual and I like my life.

[RedSauce]

I feel like the issue is that you think you have to approach hundreds of women to get some game

[Dali-chan]

I think it’s a cope cause Incels keep saying how the average men can’t get laid, but the truth is that they are not average not mentally nor physically, since average men don’t lack options, so they cope by thinking that only a handsome, tall, rich men can get girls which is ridiculous.

[RedSauce]

@Dali-chan I hear ya, I’m totally the quintessential average man and I have never had much of an issue; it’s all about keeping your standards in line with reality

[Asker]

@Dali-chan Well , i do not see average men in their early 20's not to struggle with women. Well that does not mean they have never had one... I have never had cause I do not approach. But even my friends who do , who are not incels , i do not see them not to struggle.

[Avicenna]

No, because the most desirable guys don't need to bang less desirable women and usually don't want to even though those women also want hookups (often even more than more desirable women) and will bang less or medium-desirable men.

[Ripper_E]

I don't know. Is that an actual statistic or are you just making it up?

[FakeName123]

It's called hypergamy. Yes, it happens. If it is 20% or not I don't know, but there is definitely an upper percentange of men that get most of the women. I remember someone doing a Tinder analysis on that which confirmed that.

Also our evolution confirms it considering we have twice as many female as we have male ancestors.

[Browneye57]

That is a fact my friend. But it's not just hook ups, it's that 80% of all women are chasing about 15% of the top guys. The rest of everybody is standing on the sidelines waiting for something to happen.

Are you in the 15%? And if not, why not?

[Asker]

I am not. I am closer to bottom 15% than the top. I am trying to fix anything i can. From the way I look to my social skills. But I will probably never at the top 15%. You should be somewhat predsposed !!

[Browneye57]

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Then go here to up your game: www.therationalmale.com

And never forget, YOU ARE THE PRIZE. So start acting like it.

[CallmeTheKnight]

People who hook up are responsible the hook ups. Doesn't matter what position you are in life.