My last 2 brain cells screamed in agony as I tried reading this
This makes sense but long term has it's objects and short term has it's own too. The 20% would differ from one person and another which i think is fair enough. This is how life works to make humans productive and the rest is up to morals and religion.
Interesting take on an age-old principle!
@Nimphfromtx. "I wish more women were into hookups"?Are you out of your fucking mind? Women are more miserable than they have ever been in recorded history, largely due to hookup culture, and you want women to self-destruct more?
@KrakenAttackin yes I believe that is half true. I enjoy hooking up and I’m very happy and know many other women like me. But we are all older. The women (usually younger) using hook-ups to get intimate attention (not physical attention) are left feeling “used” or emotionally dysfunctional. Because for intimate sex or emotional connection you need to build a relationship with the person. A hookup is not going to do that. Hookups are for fun not for filling any emotional connection needs.
That's why older women are so much better, mature, know what they want, no games, no confusion
@Archerer right! Aged into beauty like a fine wine. 😊
Why is the first woman eating soapI don't think that's healthy, I've eaten soap before but it didn't taste good
@Syrian_survivor LOL !!
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I dissagree. I have been told that for the first time irl from a guy who is really successful in that area.
One guy said it so it must be true.
I have heard taht from many people since then. Well I do not have problem with my situation. I really like my life. The tranquility , the absence of drama, my hobbies , my studies. But it is really interesting for me to see how many people have tose different opinions about this topic.
I don't consider myself a stud or the kind of physical specimen that women idolize but I have never had a problem finding women to date, and many of them were quite eager to have a sexual relationship.Women could equally say that 20% of the women get 80% of the interest from guys. The majority of people of both sexes are not in the top tier of physical attractiveness. Does that mean that 80% of all women are virgins? Or only had sex once?Go to the mall (if your area is re-opened), have a seat in a main corridor, and watch the couples stroll by. Do they all look like movies stars and beauty pageant winners? No, they look like normal people. Some of them are quite unattractive but they found somebody and they are strolling hand-in-hand.
For the first paragraph I would just say if u were a gen-Z member , you wouldn't have that much of success.For the second paragraph , I would say I would probably agree.For the third paragraph I would reply that not everyone has general attraction to eavh other. Most peopla are opportunists. So a good bunch of relationships are formed on othe premises.
A large number of younger people are not as adept with their social skills because they rely on digital communications - texting, messenger, etc. - rather than actually talking to the opposite sex. And then they look for an excuse for their lack of success rather than accepting responsibility for their own shortcomings. And the current sociopolitical climate reinforces the idea that if you have a problem, it is someone else's fault and someone else should fix it for you.But if anyone wants to persist in believing that their lack of success is simply because that are not a member of the elite top 20%, they can hold on to that belief, but it offers very little prospect for improving their life and is counterproductive.
Thank you for the conversatiion , sir !! Have a nice day.
I do not ask women out!! idc at this point.
1 in 5 isn't that ridiculous of an estimate. It's not a far-fetched theory.
Still, there's plenty of studies and experiments that prove we're biochemically dispositioned to end up with someone within a few marks of a basic "attractive" scale, some rare cases slip through, but usually not, human kind isn't trying to procreate everyone to have cancer, or all men to have smaller Johnsons.
No one said they were the only ones. The number was 20% getting 80%. But that probably is an expansion of dating app studies that are a few years old at this point showing that only 20% of men were rated as above average, and obviously 80% below average.But that 20/80 ratio does appear every so often across a few different things. And appears consistent in hook ups.
@obtuseocelot Thank you !!
Also the " go out more " is such a biomer advice !! Put on cologne and shower as well I personally do have social skills , I do have friends , I do have lab partners. Male and female.I am below average in looks though.Also if I need to be a social butterfly to attract a woman or to approach hundreds or tens of them for one to be impressed , no I am not doing it. I am a busy man. I have things to do daily.
Thats why women opinions about dating means shit...
She's right about one thing: the incels did come running to trash up the thread.
^^ I hope she sees this, bro
I am not. I am closer to bottom 15% than the top. I am trying to fix anything i can. From the way I look to my social skills. But I will probably never at the top 15%. You should be somewhat predsposed !!
Start here for your man-makeover: www.theartofmanliness.comThen go here to up your game: www.therationalmale.comAnd never forget, YOU ARE THE PRIZE. So start acting like it.
Like I swear most girls who say it's not true probably have a few male "friends" they always talk to (we all know the dude actually wants to fuck) or like me they just hate the idea of thinking that these people act like they're victims and you think it's rare to see it - in reality it ain't..
Lol thats a girl problem only. Bottom guys don't get approached unless its a ghost an old lady or someone butt ugly.
Exactly - so only 20% get hookups
But do you fuck the "bottom dwellers"?
Let's put it this way, who are the top 20% doctors, lawyers etc. Are these really the ones who are pounding us senseless in club toilets? The truth is it's ordinary every day guys so stop deluding yourselves its only the top few men who get sex
Define " ordunary , everyday men ". A construction worker who is 6'3" and in a great shape and has an average face with a little social skills , could have more women drooling over him than a 5'10" obese but very successful doctor.
He might turn our eye but without social sklls he won't get in our panties
So we will have to he social butyerflies now... Ok.
You see the contradiction though? If 10 guys approach you and you reject 8 on the basis that they're "bottom feeders", then by definition you've just proved OP's '80/20 rule' theory
@SomeGuyCalledTom You are trying to reason with females.
@KrakenAttackin Bold of you to assume I'm capable of reason 🙄🤣
@purplepoppy. If you have had a few drinks and a hot guy comes along, no matter his personality or your relationship status, a girls panties will make a sonic boom dropping to the floor.
Almost true. Enough drink and he doesn't have to be that hot
Thank you !! For being honest...
High quality men usually have higher standards. Less women match those requirements.
If i have to approach hundreds of women or spent hundreds of hours to learn " game" , then I am. sorry I am not doing that...I have sh*t to do in a daily basis... I am a busy individual and I like my life.
I feel like the issue is that you think you have to approach hundreds of women to get some game
I think it’s a cope cause Incels keep saying how the average men can’t get laid, but the truth is that they are not average not mentally nor physically, since average men don’t lack options, so they cope by thinking that only a handsome, tall, rich men can get girls which is ridiculous.
@Dali-chan I hear ya, I’m totally the quintessential average man and I have never had much of an issue; it’s all about keeping your standards in line with reality
@Dali-chan Well , i do not see average men in their early 20's not to struggle with women. Well that does not mean they have never had one...I have never had cause I do not approach.But even my friends who do , who are not incels , i do not see them not to struggle.
Sounds like you don't have a lot of women around and they take advantage of that lol
@shalt Look at the statistics !! 30% of men 18-26 have not had sex in the last year. Results from a 2019 study !!
Plenty of guys like to use this as an excuse, but if you try hard enough and become a good quality guy, you’ll get them. Why do you think guys also question how a good looking girl could be with someone who’s not as attractive? It’s not because she’s desperate, she often has MANY options.
I am not obese , I groom regurarly , i take care of my external image. I try difefrent styles. I am in my senior year in college with fairly good grades. I am also having a master after that.I have hobbies ( indoors though). I have '' put up the work'' so to speak. Nothing happened , so rn i am in a point where i say '' F relationships '' and i go for a monk lifestyle.
It’s a numbers game. The more you try the higher the reward. That’s just simple maths.
Look at strategy too.
I am a busty guy. If i will have to approach dozens and hundreds of women for 1 or 2 to be impressed , sorry , I am not f*cking doing that. Go to the other guys... There are plenty of them.
busy* Wth, lol
That was exactly my thought about you. And that’s totally fair enough. But I’m just saying THATS the reason you’re not getting it.
Ther are SO many guys who aren’t in the top that are getting it, and it’s simply down to effort.
What you are suggesting is not viable !!
Well it’s fact. Regardless of what you think. Look around.
Hi yeah, actively been trying for years now. Tried many different activities, tried to better myself for years. Women still see straight through as if I do not exist.
Effort doesn't mean squat.
The times I've actually asked a girl out. Got ignored completely, laughed at, ignored, ghosted.
Well it works plenty for my guy mates and many are average.
I think some guy posted a link further down in the chat. It's a blog there is a section where it states (paraphrasing here) "women generally perceive I guys attractiveness as worse than what it is, but still reply back anyways."That article suggests your average guy friends are not so average.
It was compiled using data from okcupid.
@LZPanzer I look around me and base my opinions on real life experience. That could’ve been a rubbish sample size for a start. And tbh online dating is going to be based more on looks too. Real world experience tells me that if he keeps trying he’ll get it.
Not pretending to say that’s true for everyone. I couldn’t possibly know that. But in my experience, that’s how it is.
It's fine if that is your experience.Okcupid is a fairly large dating site, there could be plenty of things wrong with that data/ interpretation but sample size likley isn't one of them.My real world experience is that
I'd modify this a bit: it's the guys who try the most at the *right things*. I've seen guys try the same thing over and over and get no results (definition of insanity). So the successful guys are the ones who can: A) observe what works best over time, B) strip away everything extraneous or contrary to what works best; andC) Pivot and react dynamically as real time situations diverge from their axiomatic expectations based on what worked yesterday/last week/last year etc. (Knowing from experience that 'known experience' isn't always sufficient to meeting the unique demands of a new situation.)Guys who DON'T observe, test, refine, and pivot are doomed to failure, no matter how much they "try". In fact their excessive trying will hurt them. We even have a fitting word for those guys: TRY-HARDS.
Little hard to try new strategies and theories when you don't have willing participants
Well , I disagree but thank you for bothering commenting in my question.Also not having relationships is the norm for my generation.
Relations , isn't relationships.
" Of course some girls have unrealistic standards "
I believe that.
Don't hurt yourself.
What does that suppose to mean? I meant that I believe on the question i asked.
Like someone else here, it is just an excuse and a negative perception, of reality... which is also untrue, and that will hurt you in many ways.
Can you point some of the ways ,
You're already posting nonsense in order to try to validate your bias. That's one way to hurt your psyque, and also your chances of actually engaging in any kind of relationship you're aiming for.
And the hot girls are also the 10% of girls, so in other words they are banging their looksmatch
*10% of top girls
@Dali-chan Not as true... there are some of the top 10 men who will still fuck anything.
I know that the world is not a fair place. I have known that for many years now. But this is an ad hominem attack and it really shows you have no points or arguments.
Pitchers, not the catchers.