Do people actually believe prostitution (sex work in general) gives women "leverage" over men?

I read a post here today claiming sex work gives women leverage over men.

And I want to ask: What kind of "leverage" would sucking men's cocks for money give women over men?

Considering if prostitution becomes completely normalized and encouraged and the market gets flooded by say, +10-20% of the "empowered" female population, the prices will plummet (already happening) and you probably get to buy a few eggs for every cock you suck. Most of the girls who are making big money now from online thottery or prostitution will also get pushed towards the margines because all the beautiful models will get on the train and start opening their legs for all men.

Just look at porn in 2020 compared to early 2000s. Most of the stars from back then would have little to no chance in competition with some of the adorable fuck dolls in porn industry right now. And that's an actual effect of normalization. The same thing is happening to webcam models. It's not as lucrative a job as 5 years ago and it will go downhill in the next 5-10. So in that perfect world where women somehow have "leverage" over men because they're selling sex, get ready to work your holes all day and have crap for income if you're not an 8-10. They get to make all the money, not you.

Such leverage, such female dominance. I wonder if the same people whine about "matriarchy" then? 🤔

And leverage over what type and "class" of men exactly? Working and lower class men struggling to make ends meet? Or that upper class CEO who gets to have a cute cuckqueen wife and two side chicks?

Do people really think this old profession can actually hurt the status quo? Or will it just give some delusional working class women some imaginary leverage over their own broke men? Do people understand social classes aren't equally affected by cultural changes?

I don't usually curse and swear, but why are some people so fucking supid? I feel bad for all the working class girls who are growing up believing this kind of horseshit.
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  • Well written , and its very true.
    I was at one point a part owner of a successful strip club , I remember when we first introduced " shift allowance payments " , an income stream for the club , pay to go to work basically. Well the glory days of exotic dance in Australia was at the beginning , it was novel and different , those " glory days " were unsustainable , as the money flowed , crazy money was being made , most got wasted.
    Now telling them you had to " pay to attend a shift " at the start Ohhh , well Im not working , you'll loose all staff , etc etc , well we lost 30% initially , so what was the line to the 70 % , Girls vastly less competition , you'll make more , for a while they did.
    So what happened? Every club followed suit , and everybody came back , plus others , vast majority stunning , there is no bargaining chip , doesn't matter how you look , as you say " you can really only suck so many cocks " . Sugar babies are everywhere , far less expensive than hookers and give a hell of a lot more , strippers then know various guys and make private deals on private premises.
    Its far from empowering , the power shift has gone completely the other way , particularly as you get uni students , young stunning women working in clubs , sugar babies , trying to justify why they do it , but literally there are a PLETHORA of options , and no one is irreplaceable , there is always a woman that will do that bit more..

    • Thanks. And thank you very much for the insight from inside then industry.

    • Its an interesting environment , I learnt so much about people there ( all sorts ) They are really struggling now , firstly Victoria Australia ( very conservative regs ) Corona ( obviously ) Expendable income. Biggest issue is regulation , no votes in sex industry.

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  • What in the hell did you ever get the idea that a woman being a prostitute or sex worker... could ever... umm other than the possible case that she could blackmail the man... However, that is highly unlikely and most women do not go into that profession because they enjoy it.

    Decent paying jobs for women that can generate the type of income that a woman can make by charging for having a man spend time with her... It is actually hard to match in the real world. If you really think that they do not have control of what they allow happening... Yeah, right.

    They do not do anything that you, if you are straight, do for "free"... I'm sure you would be willing to do things that they would never allow... like to have sex without a condom. Nope, that will not happen with them, since they must maintain the ability to keep making money with what they have.

    If a woman has to make enough money to pay her bills and put food on the table and in her families mouth... who the fuck am I to judge her for doing the best she can!

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  • I don't know about "leverage over men", but legalizing prostitution on the women's end would grant them better safety and security, and would also promote better standards of equality. (Pretty much the same improvements for male prostitutes as well)

    • Your actually wanting to improve prostitution into career option for women. Get the F#ck outta here!

    • @ToastyOats Sex work is a career option

    • A career can last your whole life. Bam! Your done, down for the count! Admit it, by 30, no one is going to want yo see you naked. So dumb!

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  • @mia-wallace wow and respect.

    Fully agree with what you have put.

    especially the social class side of things.

    there is zero leverage, the vast majority have major mental health issues, including PTSD.

    the likes of only fans and similar sites show how revenue streams have reduced.

    it’s a similar pot of guys with a wider selection of girls, market forces means reducing prices.

  • I know exactly who made that quote. Sex and sexuality gives women leverage over men, but sex work isn't exactly that, per se. Women's power is sex, men's power is being a provider (physical security and wealth, mainly to benefit the wife and kids). Both genders' "power" is based around for reproduction. Our entire society is built around that.

  • Sex drive differences give low drive partners leverage over high drive ones.

    prostitution puts a cap on leverage among singles.

    interestingly the real wages of prostitutes have fallen over time - the free competition has pushed down prices.

    • Now, why can’t dumb ass biden figure that out? Trump had us on an economic roll, cheap gas, better wages, lowered the price of insulin for diabetes.. biden has removed the cap so insulin will be sky high again, you know biden has his lips wrapped around big pharma’s collective dick and he’s jerking off China at the same time. funny how liberals just do not understand 6th grade economics, math or history.

  • This was on point. Very smart commentary. The normalization of sex work increases supply and prices must go down. If the elites are supportive of it, it is almost certainly to demoralize the working class.

    • Yes. I agree. I'm not a working class person and I can say it's just crazy to hear some of these arguments made by actual working class girls. The level of corporate brainwashing is astonishing. This "empowerment" buzz word + the increasing hatred between genders are being utilized to make these girls feel "free" becsuse now they can sell themselves to their "oppressors" instead of supposedly serving them for free in monogamous relationships. It's a smart way of keeping your labour in line, I give them that. They even think they are being revolutionaries and making social progress when they are just generating revenue for a small group. And while they themselves can hardly improve their living conditions with the money they make. In reality they are making themselves and their entire class more and more vulnerable to abuse by the elites.

    • Yes. People who view it as empowerment are kidding themselves. The elites want people to be dependent, consume what they are selling, and be addicted to as many unhealthy vices as possible. They are doing their best to make it difficult for people to live independently or make money outside of large corporations. Small businesses are getting hit and institutions that could offer opposition (family, etc.) are undermined.

    • Yeah. It seems to be true. I do hope they get to understand what's happening.

  • No, it’s an easy way to make money from men though, providing a service with no emotional attachment, no strings.

  • Prostitution actually gives men leverage over women. That's why it's not legal. If it were legal and all a man had to do to bang a 10 was pay her, they wouldn't have to take the chance of finding willing girl and jumping through all those hoops. That's why feminists don't actually try to get prostitution legalized. Because then women lose the power that pussy has over men.

    • I’d much rather pay a hooker than get married to some chick that will stop the sex completely once she gets a ring, gains 60 pounds in 3 months and the fanciest dress in her wardrobe is an XL MuuMuu.

  • I've dated prostitutes.
    In my experience that is not a motivation at all. There was one who chose that option simply because she loved to fuck and figured she might as well get paid. One. All the others it's because they felt like they had no choice. The self loathing and bitterness that was growing inside of them not healthy.
    It's not a place they wanted to be.
    I think this is BS too.

  • I dunno, ask an onlyfans airhead who buys a house with what's basically stripper money.

    There's really no equivalent for dudes or if they're is you've got to be a 10 not a 7.

    Of course it's an advantage.

    • How many of them are buying houses? 🤔 I'm pretty sure if there was a sudden and noticable increase in 18-30 years old single women home buyers my family would know. Yes, single women in general have been buying more houses in a number of countries (no, most of them aren't young). But the number is not significantly higher than single men (at least not everywhere) and the reason is not always because men in general are making much less than women but because they invest their money elsewhere and they are also more adventerous when it comes to starting businesses. Women make some money and go straight for the house. I also know on average men buy smarter and in places where they can sell higher. Anyway. I remember reading somewhere the average creator on Onlyfans makes about $150 per month excluding the tips. Let's just go wild and say it's $500 instead of $150 . That's kind of a shit revenue. Unless you're among the 1% (or let's say 5%) you're probably not living some kind of dream. And considering all the simple minded hyped singles making new accounts there every year that amount will probably decrease.

    • Of you're right... You have to... Have fans first. Instagram is hard though right?

    • You could have a good side job for less effort than cleaning your house lol.

  • It gives the bilionaire class, all men, leverage over everybody else by disrupting and degrading the natural sex lives of the working class. Also. This guy was probably talking about only fans, where talentless whores can make thousands a month promoting pedophilia, not pay for play in a back alley!
    It is no mistake, Bella delphine is being actively promoted by the platform because she trys to look twelve and promotes incest and kink to young men. She doesn't have any real power though, she's just an amoral sellout.

    • Yeah. Not just sex lives but their families and their cohesion, unity and power as a class.

  • If I was a decent looking woman or a hot femboy I could make fucking bank on onlyfans for minimal work.

    My last ex would actually get men to send her things in the mail because they were so desperate for her and she is overweight. Women's sexuality has a lot more power than you realize.

    • What's the point being made here? I know women's sexuality has "power", if you want to describe it using that word. But like everything else rarity + demand ​increases value. The point I was making was that an increase in sex work doesn't give women leverage over upper and upper middle class men who are one and the same with the supposed status quo. They're pretty much untouched when it comes to their culture and rates of marriage and divorce haven't changed much for the upper classes since 1950-1960 according to some of the statistics. Though they did become more educated and more "powerful". Working class and lower classes always kept their society functional by having stricter rules and family values, and their families and communities were still pretty fragile. Normalizing and glorifying sex work and adding a flavor of gender war to photos of your tits and butthole to make yourself believe you're fighting the "status quo" is just pathetic. That's what I was saying. I'm pretty sure no one in the upper classes gives a crap if a whale makes some money selling photos to thirsty simps. But it becomes a rather interesting subject of pity and humor when she thinks she's fighiting the "patriarchy" doing what she does. In reality her community and class are becoming crappier, unsustainable, and more dependent on the group she claims she hates.

  • Interesting observations. I would add that once you start selling your ass you can never come back from that.

  • Hookers only get into the trade so they feel superior to men, right?

  • Yes. To me prostitution shows that women have "leverage" over men. I know that many people do not agree with me on this. Sex is like a narcotic to men, woman are the dealers. I even heard one prostitute speaking on TV that she feels the power over men. That is why I think women who do that and men that are complicit should be severely punished by law.