Great analysis 👍
I don't know why these guys are downvoting you your right. What men tend to want is sex and women commitment. Since men have what women want and women have what men want they have the power over these areas thus men crying about not getting laid and women complaining about men not committing. I find it particularly funny that for women cry about men not commuting and men cry about women not giving sex as easy when neither side wants to compromise and neither side seems to realize what they got.
@VanillaSalt Thank you, exactly, Vanilla! 💯
While I think it’s funny I’m so fucking tired of women. I mean look around so few women worth the extra time. I dont have much time as it is and online dating a not great for me. My success and the failure of men and marriage I’ve seen around me has just made women a waste of time in my eyes.
@VanillaSalt Actually women want sex AND commitment. It doesn't even have to be 'marriage' necessarily - but the commitment to actually give a damn about her as a person, to want to nurture each other, to find joy in each other and to truly care for one another in a meaningful way. Actually, a lot of men want this too - it's interesting that as a value, men often cite 'loyalty' as something they treasure.
Look if we’re dropping all pretense here…most men including myself want nothing more then to be loved and appreciated and we tend to want to apply ourselves as little as possible to get it. Many younger men undercut the bare minimum bar but… I grew up trying to be the best I could. I was told growing up being nice and working hard and being kind/courteous was enough… yet I wasn’t good looking so I went without… then I’m told make money women like money… I work 6-6 6 days a week and that’s not enough? I’m not out to be a millionaire that’s not where my drive is. But I’m told as I get older it makes more more attractive… so I have to accept the hoes after their done hoeing with the kids and bonding issues? Nvm the fact I still get treated like shit by feminists despite believing myself to be a good man… not as much anymore. You women have pushed me too far ignoring me and cheating on me. Now you don’t matter anymore. Or so ide like to say but when men talk like that it’s usually because they are talking big and don’t wanna be hurt. Ide rather pretend to hate you and hurt then love you and have my heart ripped out. This is where some feminist bitch comes out and says well who hurt you… every time I hear that there’s a seething rage. I feel like I really wanna hurt and destroy these women whom will never have any accountability for their words or actions but then my god damn compassion kicks in. I truly believe there’s women out there that deserve to suffer but I don’t want to be the one to bring about that suffering -.-… when a child misbehaves you spank them. But when a woman does wrong you can’t hit them even if their hitting you. You can’t socially denigrate them because oh hell no! No shaming for promiscuity, being fat, being a bitch… no accountability what do ever. And I do mean literally ever. It’s time men took power back you women have proven you don’t deserve it.
I’m curious what you two think would happen if society fell today… no electricity, running water, gas, police, military, government… these were created by men and shared with everyone. Their overwhelmingly maintained by men… you literally owe men your lives and freedom. Pull together all the learned women in the world and they couldn’t keep THIS society running on their own. You think this will never happen? We’re talking about civil war and the downfall of the petrol dollar…the USA has no exports. If the petrol dollar fails this country will literally fall. Government is the best case won’t have the money to support you in the worse case will become China and enslave us all. Or China themselves might come or Russia… do I think it will end the citizens? Na people can survive generations as slaves… but your peace and freedom will disappear over night. Will you then turn back to men and bow and beg for forgiveness for forgetting those of us that were kind but treated like shit so you can survive? Women in many ways are more prideful then men. I don't know that you could. You want a close example? Look at the old chaz/chop. They were begging for food because they had no exports or production of their own. Murders up 1600%! Rape on the streets daily in the mid of the day. Kids shot dead like literal 6 yr olds! And that’s not even the lowest we can go… let’s add in war to that… civil war where men hate women women hate men liberals hate conservatives conservatives hate liberals republicans Democrats everybody hating… Would you survive alone in a world like that? Would you have any kind of happiness or comfort? I can disappear into the woods for years without issue. And it’s far easier for me to take care of myself then a family. So I suggest you brush up on your mandarin and find someone that can survive because your gonna need that connection if it comes to it.
@VanillaSalt Thanks for your response and openness :) I appreciate it.Your comment: "Ide rather pretend to hate you and hurt then love you and have my heart ripped out." This is honestly is the most masculine thing I've heard you say. Because it is real and shows self awareness.This comment I want to ask you about. You said; "most men including myself want nothing more then to be loved and appreciated and we tend to want to apply ourselves as little as possible to get it." But.. why take that approach? Isn't it obvious that love can never come from trying to extract something from someone while making the bare minimum effort? Women feel completely heartbroken by this, because their deeper inclination is usually to offer as much as she can, and as generously as she can - because that is the way to form a loving bond. But it is simply lacking in self respect for a woman to offer outpourings of love to a man who only offers his bare minimum. So why do men believe this is a good strategy for creating loving relationships?"I was told growing up being nice and working hard and being kind/courteous was enough" - it's a start, and it's necessary, but all humans surely know this is not completely sufficient. Very unattractive women will not be able to get a relationship, just as very unattractive men will be unable to get sex. That is why most women put extraordinary effort into their appearance. Men could do the same, but many don't. I don't understand why you feel aggrieved about this when women are in the same boat? So you work 12 hours a day, 6 days per week... but you won't be a millionaire? Why? Even at an average wage of around $30/hr, you should be able to become a homeowner and have quite a lot of financial security just continuing to do what you already do. Why feel aggrieved that you are 'not doing enough'? Looks like you are.
I can understand why the comment "who hurt you?" causes an uncomfortable response. It's obviously because it touches on a truth, but is expressed in a manner which doesn't indicate compassion for that truth. Have you noticed a pattern though? Women rarely say something like this for no reason. What is the context and the attitude that you are bringing which causes them to say this? Or do you believe it is entirely unprovoked? Because using language like "feminist bitch" might be what sparks the whole thing. What do you mean by "accountability"? I really feel that you are hurting, because you actually desire care, softness and connection from the feminine, but so far have no received that. I feel you, that must be extremely painful! Though why do women need to be "held accountable" for this? I don't think that if I am not in the relationship of my dreams that "men in general" need to be held accountable. Obviously if a particular man lies or cheats, he should be. But the whole male population? No.
@VanillaSalt Oh shut up, Vanilla."you literally owe men your lives and freedom" Fuck off. I'm not going to debate with you. It's an endless waste of time. I know men who I actually enjoy talking to, who never bring up this shit. They've got better things to do with their time, and we actually enjoy each other's company.
@NicoletteXO Thanks for being open and kind about it. I wasn’t trying to be rude but this is what happens when men open and share…I’ll answer your questions in DM if ya wanna know message me. Ide hate to poke the hornets nest anymore -.-
As for the rest of your commentary on "what would you do without men?"... Come on. Even you have to admit this appears basically cut and pasted from a red pill website. It's not an original argument, and it's not useful. I already appreciate the man things men have contributed to society. This doesn't mean I need to give free sex to an asshole who I'm unattracted to. I love masculine energy. There's not enough of it these days. The kind of genuinely masculine men who fought in wars to make our countries 'free' were the kinds of men who paid for all the bills for their women and children. They pulled out chairs for their wives. They had self-respect. They didn't sit at home masturbating to internet porn and eating Cheetos all day, then texting 'Sup' to a woman at 1am, and imagining the reason he didn't get sex that night is because of some problem with her. You realize that a woman was co-inventor of the first computer? A woman invented CCTV. While of course we would much prefer to have mutually loving and respectful relationships with men, if that is not on the table, we'll be ok. That said, I don't think either men or women are going to drop off the planet anytime soon, so this is all just a silly and aggrandized hypothetical which doesn't really serve much purpose other than to make you feel unwarrantedly aggrieved.
@VanillaSalt you're welcome. I'd prefer to keep it here. Would like to hear your responses :)
Oh shit this is gonna take a minute.. ok so redpill comment. Redpill is an idea and not only one person can have the same ideas. I subscribe to many sides but I only believe in one. I understand my bias because women suffer differently from other points. But at the same time a woman not getting sex I could never presume to understand. Men and women value sex differently so I can’t. But these ideas are what I’ve heard that make sense to me from what I’ve seen. I’ve also seen the data to backup everything I say so it’s not just fake facts either.And I don’t want sex I’ve said this already a few times. I settle for sex. I want to know your there with me to the end. Nobody means it anymore when they say until death do us part. It’s dangerous to get married and commit. Only for men though. Women can be hurt but most of what women suffer is abuse and rape which is already illegal. And financial hardship after losing his paycheck which is why most women suffer after… but then that’s your fault for not stacking away money for after the damn marriage. It’s no different then a prenup for a man. You have no right to my finance after you CHOOSE to leave me probably after YOU cheated… yes that happens in my state. To comment on your description of these men… their the dregs of society. The worst example of men. Why am I suffering along side them? I have made many attempts in every way I can consider without sacrificing on my beliefs. Yet for years I’ve failed to get dates. Understand I work a lot and in a graveyard shift in a man dominated field. Also your comment of the $30/hr LMAO. Maybe in big cities that’s average. I make $13/ hr + bonuses. And bonuses makeup like 30-40% of my total income. In 5 years I’ll be slightly over 100k/yr… my current hours are cut significantly due to covid I worked 7 days a week precovid
@VanillaSalt Hey - I can tell you why you are not getting dates. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything you've mentioned. It's victim mentality through and through. I actually feel a bit disgusted right now. I spend a good deal of time with you here, with a very open heart, trying to show you support and empathy. I then spoke a little bit about myself. You did not even mention the fact that I was molested by my father in any way, other than to flip it around into a 'woe is me' story to complain about why you should have to "suffer" for those kinds of men. What you just revealed is pure narcissism. That is why you have no success with women. I'm done here.
Shit premature again! Jk. But ya didn’t mean to send yet.. anywho the point is I work all the time. I’m not a drinker so bars are out and my hobbies are things you do with people you know not strangers.. hey random cutie wanna get lost in the woods and camp… lmao that would totally get me arrested. I haven’t a clue what to do in public to meet women since I’ve been told your busy when shopping, I’m oppressive when holding the door for you, and I’m rapey if I walk in the same side of the god damn street… I have actually been yelled at for holding the door by the way. It was about 8 years ago in a supermarket. Held the milk freezer door and said excuse me… never been so embarrassed in my life. Random woman starts yelling at me in public like I raped her. Oh ya I’ve been accused of sexual assault in jr high once too… false allegations are on the rise. Def a consideration. And she probably won’t face charges for fear of sending an innocent girl whom just couldn’t product proof of rape to the court. But I will lose my job and my friend will turn on me and I won’t get my life back even if false. Public opinion and all. Since we’re on about experiences… I have a single charge on my record. Disturbing the peace. Long story shit shitty mother drunk and drugged up at 3 am when I had to be at work at 6am was breaking my shit and I have her a shove away from my belongings in my own house! So that’s my experience in person with women cheating ex’s, unbridled embarrassment, attitude like Amanda’s just now, and whatever the hell my mother was… she died back in June thank god she’s gone I don't know why I cried when she died… she was a terrible person and a worse parent. Anywho so with THAT at my real life experience with women and what I generally see on here I don’t have a high opinion of women.
@VanillaSalt do you not think I couldn't write a litany of ways I've been aggrieved by men if I wanted to? What the actual fuck. Do what other humans do. If you have no idea - hire a coach, see a psychotherapist, whatever. Sort it out. I had to do that. OMG. Actually I see Amanda was probably smarter than me. I shouldn't have given you my time in good faith. She saw the writing on the wall and realized you were a bottomless pit of selfishness.
@NicoletteXO I’m when did you mention anything about yourself I musta missed that can’t I didn’t read anything like that. As for being a victim. This is a QnA forum… I’m giving perspective I don’t just post this shit to my dating profile nor do I carry it with me I’m too damn busy to bother with that shit all the time. It I’m still curious where your comments about yourself are. I might have missed it or forgot or just haven’t gotten there yet. If I lose my train of thought it will come out worse the jumbled mess then it already is. I was never a English person always preferred math and logic myself to putting thoughts on paper.
Look lady you asked for my opinion. And I gave it with experiences to backup every thought. Then you mouth off telling me “do you not think I couldn’t write a litany of ways I’ve been aggravated by men”… your right this is done.
@VanillaSalt "I’m when did you mention anything about yourself I musta missed that can’t I didn’t read anything like that. " - I can imagine what it would be like to date you then. Just awful. Let me repost for you again:@VanillaSalt "I’ve never felt loved or supported I don't know that it even exists… ide give up sex for life if it meant unlimited intimacy." I'm so very sorry to hear this - every human needs love and support, and it is a failure of human society (not women) that you didn't receive what you need.Please understand that women and men have hurt each other. You are not uniquely aggrieved. This is not to diminish in any way the truth of your pain, but to have you understand we are all holding pain.I just don't see this as an excuse to rag on women or behave poorly to them. It's one thing to stand up for yourself against an overt and completely unprovoked attack or denouncement, but it is another thing to just rag on females - which you are doing, whether you can see this or not. I am fortunate to have experienced deep and profound love. I have also had atrocious, devastating things done to me by men. I was molested by my father. And later in life, betrayed in a shocking and cruel way that crushed me and still deeply impacts my heart. But do I think any of this entitles me to denounce the male entire species? No way. Also, I doubt that would do me any favours either.
@NicoletteXO Ok so this is why I wanted it to be DMs so I could organize my thoughts better. I haven’t been back to your post since I replied. I was busy answering your 3 pages of what you wanted answers too… explaining why I thought the way I did with examples… not complaints. Part of what I was typing was erased because it was “too long” so ima retype it…I have a different way of viewing respect. There’s the basic respect all living things get and there’s the respect you earn… I can count the people who have earned by respect on 2 hands. Mostly family but a few are people like you that can have a calm discussion and are open. I know my posts are… aggravating. I can’t remember the exact wording but this is the gist of what I was posting before it disappeared…Also I haven’t read your full comment yet because I had to correct this bullshit first.
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To be honest I have had plenty of casual sex.The thing is that over a decade I tried to get a relationship with plenty of prospects, and nothing good came out of it.So I had casual sex at least not to miss having the sex.
I didn’t bother to write a response since your summed up so well what I was going to say
More power to them and their bodies / it’s not me
Yes I have more worth than them
Good point 👌
frankly it's been pretty depressing and it's one of the reasons i don't date much when i'm single.
I think it's better to reserve dating for when you already know the prospect enough to be able to tell if it's worth it.
I'll keep that in mind. You mean a friend who's interested in you right?
It doesn't need to be a friend, just someone you have known enough time to see how they really behave.
I think this video, even when right in many regards, don't offer solutions. What is the main point.
One of the points was dating through tinder and other dating apps. Selection for sex is the same as selection for marriage because for every man seeking sex there’s a woman seeking commitment.
That's not the problem, what men of women look for.It's simpler: women don't feel comfortable dating strangers.
Dating maybe but sudden sex with a hot isn’t an issue.
I suspect that's not totally accurate.
So your telling me women don’t just go have sex with guys they just met that night in clubs?
The kind of woman that parties like crazy, yeah.
I don’t bother with sex anymore… if 3 relationships taught me anything it’s women that can’t bring it lol so tired of the starfish pose… lazy ass women.
Lol maybe you’re just bad at it. You get what you give man. If you want something different you have to communicate. Since it’s happened three times I’d say the problem is more on you than them.
Perhaps but the wet spot afterwards argues a different point.
Swing by my place if ya need proof first times free XD
Big boobs, big advantage.
Those are pretty big advantages.
Yes they are lol
You are a wizard.
Thanks. Maybe i am not so ignorant in the ways of men after all.
Men are simple creatures.Women are too, it's just they hide it.
I wonder why
Cause otherwise they would be bombarded.
Yeah that wouldn’t be very pleasant
:D :D :D
Why I was clear in what sets of women.. I don’t desire casual sex period
What was the sexual liberation
It was for some of the women that do want casual sex, I guess. It is nice to know I can do that if I wanted to… Besides, girls were judged harshly even for getting out of a relationship with a long-term partner.
Your friend kc was acting like no men wanted her. Turns out she was a man hating lesbian. Is it possible you're a slut acting like you aren't
Ms Plentiful I don't know who you are but I know where you can go
All I know is who women are, liars
Wth you mean by that?
There's no such thing as little time. Time just pass, and what you do with it is what makes your life.
What makes a man a top 5%? ↗
Not hard at all, except if you expect feelings involved.
My pleasure 🙂
In my case, because I have been trying that for about 15 years.
you sound like you want a lot of casual sex
I strongly want a relationship.
It’s funny because women tend to want commitment but men want casual sex… it’s funny because they both want what the other offers but neither wanna offer what the other wants lmao.I think the most advantaged individuals are very high class men. I doubt Robert Downey jr or Leonardo DiCaprio went a day without getting pussy… these types of men land thousands within a few years. Then they leave and women treat all men as if they were to blame… and then we have what we have now. 30% of all men are virgins at 30 and many are livid with women.
@VanillaSalt but women also want sex - they just want it in the context of a loving committed relationship. I honestly don't understand why men wouldn't want the same. Surely it would be better for everyone's health and psyche if we were able to share love, intimacy connection and support with people that actually give a damn about us.
We’ll see during ww2 everything went to making war and chocolate was a delicacy. Do you think kids today appreciate chocolate like the kids during ww2? Same idea about men and sex. I Bet in your youth you had one actor or singer you’d happily fuck just to fuck. The higher quality men get lots of sex and don’t appreciate it. I think this means they mistreat the girls and the girls take it out on lower quality men. They still want the sex and commitment but it’s better to get one then neither… and understand men go without support their whole lives. If they have to sleep with hundreds of women to get a small part of that support… we’ll eventually you’ll get thirsty enough to drink salt water which only kills you faster. I’ve never felt loved or supported I don't know that it even exists… ide give up sex for life if it meant unlimited intimacy. I get mine from my friends with benefits. I don’t have many partners I can count them on one hand and im proud of that fact. But they all cheated on me and one was using me to cheat. There’s a reason I mistrust and that’s why if I was ever to marry it would come after years of LTR im not offering myself to a perfect women with gods guarantee without years first.
@VanillaSalt "I’ve never felt loved or supported I don't know that it even exists… ide give up sex for life if it meant unlimited intimacy." I'm so very sorry to hear this - every human needs love and support, and it is a failure of human society (not women) that you didn't receive what you need.Please understand that women and men have hurt each other. You are not uniquely aggrieved. This is not to diminish in any way the truth of your pain, but to have you understand we are all holding pain.I just don't see this as an excuse to rag on women or behave poorly to them. It's one thing to stand up for yourself against an overt and completely unprovoked attack or denouncement, but it is another thing to just rag on females - which you are doing, whether you can see this or not. I am fortunate to have experienced deep and profound love. I have also had atrocious, devastating things done to me by men. I was molested by my father. And later in life, betrayed in a shocking and cruel way that crushed me and still deeply impacts my heart. But do I think any of this entitles me to denounce the male entire species? No way. Also, I doubt that would do me any favours either.
Before I go ide like to apologize for what you suffered through. I think both men and women can agree it just just as bad to be betrayed by someone who’s supposed to unconditionally care for you. Whether it be a woman cheating on a man or a man hurting a woman… it’s all a terrible suffering worse then being alone… but at least you have seen light on the other side… this gives you a hope for men meanwhile I have had a blind hope all these years. Every time I tough fire I get burnt it wasn’t enough more recently I found fire that’s warm and comfortable so I’m struggling to not be a woman hater. But that’s neither here nor there I’m sorry for your experience.
I want sex within a committed relationship.I would say that it is just that having casual sex isn't intimidating for guys, but for girls it is.
What makes you think we are "intimidated" by casual sex? I don't know one woman who is intimidated by it. I know plenty who simply would prefer to have sex in the context of a committed relationship, like you.
I beg to differ, I have had my share for sure. I can promise, many girls do want casual sex.
Perhaps they are closer than what you believe.
I think that's quite inaccurate.
Because you’re a women in your 30’s of course you don’t like hearing it
I'm a man...
Then you’re a p**sy!
What do you mean?
P. s wait! I changed my mind I don't want to be gay coz people will call me faggot. I decided to be asexual. Preference updated!
My name is Albert, for instance.