I would love to know what “sexual assaulter” disliked my answer? And yes, if you have a problem with a guy who deliberately commits sexual battery, getting exactly what he deserves, Then it’s likely because you don’t see it as sexual battery, because it’s the kind of thing you do!
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Mind checking out my previous question? What’s your answer to that?
What if he’s a man of power? Famous? Handsome? All the above?Does any of that change your answer at all?
Answer is still the same.
So, answer is still the same regardless of if he’s your favorite musician? actor? President?
Yes. I don't like people who don't respect boundaries.
To be 100% honest, this relates to my previous question.Have you seen it? Check it out and let me know what your answer to it would be.
I have. Obama didn't "intimately" touch or kiss her. It was friendly...
Lmfao, come on.
I’m actually so disappointed in your answer. You started off very reasonable and I thought you were going to be consistent honestly. But then, you gave an excuse. I didn’t really expect this
I take it you've never met a super friendly person then... I literally greet people like that in non professional settings. I grew up hugging and kissing the cheeks of strangers as a way to say hello. It's very common practice in a lot of cultures. So no lmfao come on to you, is your life that void of affection?
You know this situation is just not right. The boyfriend wasn’t okay with it, yet, Obama kissed & touched his girlfriend BECAUSE the boyfriend wasn’t okay with it. If you switched out Obama with someone else, you might’ve remained consistently reasonable. Perhaps if it was Trump? Someone else? You know this situation was just, if anything else, kind of creepy and gross.
The boyfriend was clearly joking... Why the fuck would Obama who is happily married want to be with a random woman he's next to in the voting booth? You can tell by the man's tone of voice that it was a joke. The woman seemed perfectly comfortable with the interaction and that is all that matters. If it was Trump and she acted the same exact way and he did the exact same thing I would also be fine with it. Please look up some videos on reading body language you clearly need some help. For your own sake and for people you interact with in the future.
I felt like we would mutually agree on this but I’m proven wrong.
Alright let me try this again.What if the boyfriend clearly was not joking? Does that change your answer in any way? Also, what if, the woman was uncomfortable, but being the president she pretended to be comfortable, smile, laugh, etc. How does your answer look after these points?
What if the boyfriend wasn't joking? Then he has some really crazy insecurities. Doesn't change anything though, she is her own person and can hug whomever she wants. If she was uncomfortable you would be able to tell. Body language is a powerful thing.
You’re fucking pathetic.Say one thing, but change it once you learn of some petty facts that don’t really change the essence of it.Then, you say it’s okay for a man to do this if the woman is okay with it.It’s just not okay, period. It’s not about insecurities It’s perfectly normal to not feel comfortable with the person you love or care about being approached by another effectively random person.Especially touched and kissed.You’re a fucking idiot.
Hugs and cheek kisses aren't romantic. Get over yourself.
Again, you miss the fucking point….. Fuck this is frustrating lol
Not sure what your point is. Really just seems like you want someone to agree with you but they don't so you're throwing a tanty.
No, it’s just frustrating because you did agree but then took it back. It’s frustrating to try to reason with someone and they keep on trying to not agree with you on anything for some reason. Saying it’s insecurities, not intimate, etc. Even if I told you it is notYou will still say it is.
Where did I agree? This post talks about intimate touching and kissing. Not friendly. If you want to know if I would accept a hug and kiss on the cheek from a famous person, then yes I would. And I have. Because that is friendly. If a random person walked up to me and tried to hug and kiss me I would back up and be like wtf. It all depends on the circumstances.
“What if he’s a man of power? Famous? Handsome? All the above?Does any of that change your answer at all?”You said: “Answer is still the same”
Yes at that point we were talking about intimate touching and kissing. Which to me translates to a random man coming up to me grabbing my waist and trying to kiss me on the lips without even talking to me or anything. You changed the topic to say it's referring to the Obama post. So I created a new answer in reference to that which is friendly hug and cheek kiss. Very different things.
Oh, okay….. whatever…….But then you said you didn’t care what your boyfriend would feel. Saying it was insecurity Even if it wasn’t “friendly” as long as you don’t mind then it’s okay.
My boyfriend wouldn't do that. That's the point. He isn't insecure. Saying shit like that in a serious way shows insecurity, or shows you don't trust your partner. I've been in relationships with people like that. It's not a good time.
Again, what if it’s just a normal feelingTake insecurity out of it for a moment.I’ve been with women whom I’ve talked about this with and they had no issue getting past the insecurity excuse once I’ve told them “just imagine it wasn’t insecurity.” Then, all your left with is an honest interpretation of a natural feelingWithout going straight to insecurity and preventing further discussion. So, let’s pretend it’s not insecurity.Will you continue to say it is?Im curious to know your answer assuming you will bypass the “insecurity” label.
What else would it be? Distrust, possessive behavior, jealousy, none of these things are good traits to come out during a simple exchange.Do you mind that your girlfriends have male friends? Hangs out with male friends alone? Do you care if you girlfriends male friends hug her?
Take me for instance. Is it insecurity that I do not feel good when my woman hangs out with male “friends” knowing that they are not gay? No, it’s not insecurity. Why? Well, if you believe my honesty then that can suffice. If you don’t, listen to this. Platonic friendships between heterosexual men & women usually do not exist. To the extent that they do, they do under rare circumstances. So rare that they need not be talked about. If a man and a woman are platonic friends then the man is usually gay. Women CAN be friends with men in a platonic wayMen cannot. Why? Well, in short, evolutionary biology. So, when my girlfriend/wife is going out to the club with her girlfriends, I don’t mind if it’s all girls. Or all girls and gay guys. 1. Why would she even want to be with a bunch of other straight men when I’m not there? 2. I know none of those men are truly friends with her in the way that she traditionally thinks aka platonically. 3. All of what I just said will be summed up as “insecurity” by some, which is a shame because I think this effectively stifles good conversation. Now, I’m having to spend the entire time proving I’m not insecure, which is nearly impossible.
Lol. No it's just insecurities. The fact you get so worked up about it proves it's an insecurity. Get some therapy my dude ✌🏻 good day
Why can’t you just have a good discussion with me without calling me insecure even after telling you I’m not? To the extent that I’m getting worked up, it’s because I don’t think it’s unreasonable for your boyfriend to feel not good over someone of the opposite sex coming up to you to touch and kiss you. Now, if it’s a cousin, brother, step-son, etc.That’s okay. I think you seem to think that is unreasonable and I’m trying to tell you it’s not. Every time I try to tell you it’s not you keep calling me insecure and won’t have a discussion past that.
Again, if someone who I don't know came up to me I would feel uncomfortable. I'm sure my boyfriend would too, but ONLY because he can read my body language and see I'm uncomfortable. He knows that I'm into him so he doesn't need to worry about friends or random guys coming up to me. He knows I will turn them down. Generally someone who is over protective over those situations is insecure. That's how I see it.
Well, that’s what I’m getting at. You’re turning them down because you have a boyfriend? If you have a boyfriend and a fairly random man approached you, getting physical, you would push/refuse him.For one, because you are an independent woman and respect your boundaries For two, because you have a boyfriend and wouldn’t feel good knowing that he saw another man doing that to you and you didn’t do anything to shove him off. So, he might’ve thought you liked it. Agreed?
Honestly if a random guy tried to kiss me the last thing on my mind would be "what would my boyfriend think". I didn't initiate, It would literally be attempted assault. So no I wouldn't think of my boyfriend. If I didn't get a chance to push him away before contact then that's not my fault and my boyfriend would know that.
Well, this is more or less what I was trying to make you understand my point of view.I had to keep refining what I meant because for some reason it just wasn’t registering with you.Or You intentionally just felt inclined to disagree with me.
I get the feeling you think I disagree with you just for the sake of it. But I genuinely just don't agree with a lot of things you say. That's why we aren't friends and probably never will be. 😊 No offense just is what it is.
Well, no. I want to be friends.But when I keep saying I’m not insecure And you insisting I am How am I not supposed to be worked up? Lmfao. You saw me keep trying to refine what I was saying so that I can take “insecurity” off your radarThen guessed what? You actually gave me the answer that I was intending you to give me from the start. We just had to move past “insecurity” because that was the quicksand we found ourselves in.
It’s like, if I kept calling making fun of you being raped and saying it makes you feel good that doing this. You get some pleasure from it.You say it’s notBut I keep insisting it isSo, now, you spend the entire time proving it’s not.Very unproductive You have to do all of that just to finally talk to me……
Rather crass example
It’s a good one because I know for a fact that something like that, something so untrue would certainly work you up, would it not? lThen you took me getting worked up as proof that I was insecureBut what if I also did that with you? Regarding you secretly liking me talking about you getting raped? Once you get worked up, I use that as proof as you truly liking it.I think it’s a perfect example.
You're comparing accusing someone of enjoying a traumatic event and being accused of being insecure. Kinda fucked up.
Im comparing someone being accused of something they are not But the accuser is still insisting their accusation is right
Yeah I get it. Still a fucked up example and not exactly equivalent. Equivalent would be I don't know accusing me of being narcissistic.
Well, as long as you get it. At least now, I hope you can kind of sympathize with my point of view better.
You haven't changed my view. You haven't done anything that makes me think otherwise of you. So I'll keep my opinion. Just because you don't agree or don't like it doesn't mean I need to change it ☺️
Well, your opinion/answer is actually what I wanted to hear from you more or less.I just had to wad through all the bullshit you kept spewing to finally get at it lmfao.
You mean you had to wade through your own bullshit and I had to explain it to you in a way that you would understand 😬
I had to keep driving through your “insecurity” road blocks Lmao.To finally get to my destination.
You could’ve just let me pass, road block freeBut no, you like making travel difficult It’s a good thing I drive a truck 🤪😎Lol
This is actually the epitome of you being insecure! @Smashingdoozy has been very consistent throughout! She, like MOST women (including me), does not want men touching her “intimately” without consent! When YOU changed it to “good looking & famous ie Obama etc” she was unchanged in her opinion, then you made it about the boyfriend “not being comfortable” and you became verbally abusive because she “changed something (or other)”. When ALL you did was change the parameters of when it would be acceptable for a stranger to touch her, “intimately”! Your example is purely based on YOUR insecurities! Especially when you realize that regardless of how the guys think, WE don’t think of those guys sexually! We chose you, but you are so damaged from either your own infidelity (and you think “I’m not a bad person, if I can cheat on someone… ANYONE CAN!”) or you’ve been hurt by the infidelity of a previous girlfriend? News flash… WE are not that other girlfriend! We chose you NOT the friends we like to hang out with at the club, because they are our friends, and given that we are women, (and by your own words, women CAN be “just friends”) I don’t really understand why you would object to us hanging with friends… regardless of their gender! Especially given that this is 2021, and we are perfectly capable of having sex with other women if we truly want to have sex with someone! Also, why would you stay in a relationship with a woman whom you believe could easily have an affair with a guy as long as we are allowed to spend enough time unsupervised? None of your musings make any sense? The Obama video, the guy is CLEARLY joking, and it was most definitely FRIENDLY contact, NOT intimate contact!
Thank you lmao
Exactly my point. Just curious, do you consider the president of the US to be a random guy?
No 😂 but there is also no guarantee that the allegations against him are true
What do you mean?
You know what I mean
No, what do you mean? I’m not talking about what you may be thinking.
You aren’t? What are you talking about?
I'm serious 😊
Love you always @EmbraceThePain
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My previous question, check it out
Can you read my previous question? Does your answer change in any way after that?
So, would it change after reading the question I had written previous to this one?
I don't know let me read it
I don’t feel like watching a video right now. But it probably wouldn’t change my opinion. I think Barack Obama was a good President but never once thought of him in a sexual way.
Honestly, it’s been awhile since I’ve watched it as well. I think President Obama was cool, but the entire situation just felt kind of weird.
Sounds like it
I guess my question is, If your boyfriend or husband wasn’t okay with another man coming up to you to touch and kiss you, would you push/refuse this man away?
Push/refuse the man who came up to you
I absolutely would
What if you personally didn’t mind.But your husband/boyfriend expressed to you that he felt uncomfortable with this. Would you fulfill his request? Or not?
I’m not sure. Have to think about that one.
Just wondering, what exactly is there to think about?
Honestly I’m not usually okay with random guys touching or kissing me so I’m trying to think of a situation where I would be
Ohhhh, that’s a good point. Well, what if the guy wasn’t quite random.Like, Brad Pitt lol.
You don’t really know Brad PittYet, he’s not quite random.
If my husband or boyfriend wasn’t ok with it I would gently deflect Brad’s advances
Yeah, that was what I was trying to get at. You love and care about your boyfriend/husband, so you consider his feelings and wishes even though you can technically decide otherwise. No one is controlling you, rather, you decide based on your feelings for the person and the relationship you’re in with them. Kind of like a trade off.Let’s say I like going to the club with my boys. But the woman I love just doesn’t feel comfortable with me being around in the environment via other women, possibly drugs, criminals, etc. So, me loving her, it’s easy for me to accept these terms. It’s not a big deal for me at all. Now, COULD I still do this despite promising to her I wouldn’t. Of course, no one is physically controlling me. Would it be the right thing to do to my girlfriend/wife? No. I think we all make these types of compromises or deals with those we love when we get into relationships.
I agree with you
That’s refreshing to hear
Mind checking out my previous question and letting me know what your answer to it would be?