Just because someone modifies their body doesn't mean that they think they have nothing else to offer. When I choose a woman, it's not like tits are the only thing I consider. I think your first point doesn't really make much sense.If you had a micropenis and knew there was a surgery that gave you a regular sized penis, would you consider yourself insecure for getting the surgery? Why can't you accept your micro-willy?I think you seriously should be able to accept yourself on that level and there's absolutely someone out there who would love you and your micro-peepee.You'd probably lose fans as you mentioned, if you got the surgery. But it's up to you to decide. Sometimes the amount and type of people you make yourself eligible for based on the size of your ship is more favorable if you got the surgery? Perhaps you'd enjoy certain benefits?Unlike with men, women get treated palpably different based on looks, and boobs are pretty damn visible and a part of how you look.
@224466881010 The fact a woman tries to be seen as "only boobs" is because the operation is very expensive and is also an important mutilation. Not just like making a tattoo or a piercing, or a haircut. So if you decide to do such thing it means you really really perceive your boobs as a very strongly fundamental thing of your whole value and of the things you have to offer, and this is also what it communicates outside afterall... While you don't communicate the same if you just wear cleavage or firm bras, because they're cheap innocuous stuff that don't require a "sacrifice" of that size.Penis is another thing because you don't use penis to make it visible outside to attract women, while you have breast implants in order to be more attractive outside. Penis enlargement (if available) or vag surgery is more like a thing you keep secret and that prevents you from having intimate contacts at all, but small boobs never prevented women from walking around and neither from getting men interested in them as a total number... Also a totally flat chest is extremely rare (the only one I remember was of a trans friend) and most of women who consider surgery aren't "totally flat".Not to mention that when you're 25+ you start understanding through the gravity why having small tits is the perfect size to have, but this is another story...My first point means that you're not rejected by men (not even by the majority) if you have small boobs, because it's not the main thing men select women for (sure young perky milky boobs are amazing stuff), but those who want to date a woman even if she has small boobs are more likely to see more than boobs in a woman, so the others who see boobs as the main dealbreaker are filtered out (a blessing already in my opinion). Why needing to attract the others too, instead, on purpose, with such a sacrifice? Are they so damn worthy? That's pejorative in my opinion...
Woah woah woah, nobody wants to be seen as only boobs and it's certainly not a fact that your boobs are a large part of the value a woman offers.However I think that we can agree that breasts have a strong influence on your external attractiveness from a distance. Obviously people have preferences and we will put that aside for now. We will also put aside that it's an expensive procedure. Because expensive is relative, and that's why it's also kind of a status flex.No, your first point literally says that "you're saying to yourself that the men you want to attract are precisely the ones who would require such an operation from you and that won't see anything else from you than your body" which means that a woman who gets breast implants is getting them because they want to comply with the standards of men who solely consider physical appearance. That's just not true. You can love big tits and simultaneously love internal attributes, though for sure there are guys out there who only care about external factors. Normally a girl with small tits would have a much harder time getting on the radar of a man who prefers big tits. It's just a matter of preference. Though I would argue that the bell curve for breast size preference in men isn't very steep (meaning the preference is not very extreme at all and there are plenty of men who prefer small tits), but the average hovers over larger breasts, probably somewhere between B and C cups, because it's a sign of fertility, and that's just an educated guess based on evolutionary psychology. I could be wrong about that. But my overall guess is that by getting breast implants, you most likely increase your pool of potential mates rather than decrease it.I also just think you should be weary of judging these women who get great implants and saying that they all have self esteem issues. Some do for sure, but I think a lot of them don't at all.
I just did some research and although the data isn't amazing, it did suggest an average preference for C cup breasts. I also found some evidence that women with larger breasts were much more likely to be married than single.
@224466881010 All of my discourse pivots around the fact that this operation "costs", a lot, to wallet and body, and psychology as well. It's this that makes it meaningful and dramatic, not the thing itself (that's why I mentioned cleavage or push up bras don't communicate the same, even if the attractive potential with boobs is increased). If you pay so much sacrifice for something, it means this thing is VERY important for you (unless you're very rich and used to operations, or something), and that sets a priority in what you consider important for yourself and for what you want to offer.So, in the first point, yes, I said "you're saying to yourself that the men you want to attract are precisely the ones who would require such an operation from you and that won't see anything else from you than your body". Because the others are already potentially not excluding her just for not having big boobs, so making such a sacrifical operation means she very much need to be attractive for those who would exclude her just for that. It's out of doubt that bigger boobs are more attractive, at least at young age, but I'm not trying to say they aren't, I'm talking about the "priority" that boobs have in a woman's life and her dating choices, that an operation like that sets. I would never pay for such an operation to attract also those who would exclude me if I had small boobs, oh my god, that would be double humiliating... Like, paying, to get the extra guys, who otherwise wouldn't be able to see more in me? Well... If a woman finds it to be a big deal or even self-respectful... It's not the same with makeup, like, 99% of girls look probably more attractive with at least some makeup, but makeup is cheap, innocuous, temporary, it doesn't mean much if you improve your appearance with that. [continues]
[...] However, since the insecurity is something acquired in the life due to the society around and comparisons with the others, there are lines where you can decide if you want to submit to it or if you want to overcome it. I think having deformities is often a breaking point where you "submit" to it because the cost you pay psychologically for carrying it is everyday high (you'd be labeled like a weirdo, a monster, and not even reaching the "decency" people stop mocking you after), which is of course insecurity but overcoming it can be really a big challenge considering the amount of harsh feedback you can get; but if you decide to submit for way less, like just having small boobs, paying for such an operation, well... It speaks. But being "insecure" alone is not the issue and can't be an accusation. At most it can be a turn off for some people (I would be turned off a lot because of that, if, like, I date a guy then I discover he got muscles implants, although I would be able to understand the situation).
Ok I understand your point about the investment required for fake tits makes it some form of priority in your life. Ok that's fair. My question to you is: do you judge men for preferring big tits? In your eyes is it wrong for a man to decide not to date a woman he would have otherwise liked for her internal attributes, just because her tits are small and he finds small it's much less attractive?
Things and your body are 2 different things lol
@Paul09 if only you knew two licks about the objectification and commodification rampant in the industry that upholds 'natural beauty' of women and their bodies. Until men value women for a hard earned career and money (the same way that women supposedly value men), then women will continue to 'cash in' their paychecks for the things that do make them attractive, eligible, and noticed (even if it involves cosmetic procedures to increase their physical appearance). Both genders (anyone) can work on their personality. So why not be richer or hotter than the rest of them?
Omg did this woman just spit facts? I think she did.
If you are changing your body that Yoh think you need surgery? Yeah I'm sorry but that's insecurities telling you to do so. It's ends up being a mental health thing. I get insecure You don't see me operating on any of my body parts. If there nothing medical wrong with your body you are doing more damage. It's expensive and unsafe, oh and you need to replace it after 10 years. I'm starting to think women are way more insecure than men. Surgeries, botox, extensions, make up, fake long nails etc. Men don't exactly do any of that. You'll alway be allowed it's your choice. But it still doesn't make it the right choice. You are putting plastic inside your body to make your boobs look bigger.. Then complain why men stare at your breasts lol. Bizarre cycle.
@Paul09 imagine a world where for some reason almost no matter how hard you try and how much you succeed, people's reactions to you are just lukewarm. You look over to your super hot bimbo colleague, talking to some simpy guys about her bogus astrology beliefs and the guys are just eating it up. You know they aren't talking to you because you don't have symmetrical facial features or 34 DD's. You know that you can always find people who will appreciate you if you try, but there's still that sting when you look at your fellow male colleagues who are also in-the-zone, surrounded by their protégés. You're the only high-performer in the company who's still alone. It feels like you're in some backwards world where you made the wrong choice, because it seems only hot-women and successful-men get the attention.No matter, shell just go home to her cat.. because most guys don't want to date a woman more successful than them, and of the ones who want to, most are deadbeats. lIf you're a man, legit success opens your world and gives you more options. If you're a woman, success kinda limits you in some difficult ways.
@224466881010 Yoh are pretty right, except for the income part. Because I'd definitely date a woman that makes more than me and I ain't no deadbeat. I'd praise her, and be happy for her.
That's well and good, but it assumes that a woman who makes more than you would be willing to date a man who makes less. Those women are also in short supply.
@224466881010 yes, that is true too very true.
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Then they will love mine!
@Paige90 Embrace your best side. It could always be a situation made worse.
Kind of weird to be against cosmetic surgery with 90% of people get braces
only when you can tell lol
@Subarugirl True... but you can't hide that from someone you are intimate with. It is obvious then.
whether you like it or not, you wouldn't care if you truly liked the woman
Usually it is buy one, get one half off. But that smaller second one looks weird!
I have not great love for tats and piercings, but agree totally about the breast implants. I have already told you that you look fine in that department!
It certainly won't be a partner's name that's for sure lol but yeah mine are great
Just so you know, DD doesn't equal big boobs
@softlyautumnal what do you consider big?
It depends on the person's band size.What do you consider big? (compare to a celebrity)
@softlyautumnal How about Sofi Vergara 34DD
Ok, she's not a 34DD (the internet probably says she is though) - she'd be about a 30H
@softlyautumnal interesting. My point wasn't that DD are huge. My wife is a 36DD. They're not small. But natural boobs are sexier than fake boobs. My wife has a hot friend who barely has tits.
Tell your wife to try the abrathatfits calculator - 36DD is a size that people are very commonly incorrectly fitted in.
@softlyautumnal interesting. How do you know so much about bra sizes?
I wore the wrong size for years due to being measured incorrectly by 'professionals' multiple times, so when I found out my actual size and realized how many people wear the wrong size, I wanted to educate people and help change things.
@softlyautumnal awesome. I'm sure many women have found your insights helpful.
*Ugh stupid autocorrect. In my opinion