A woman is a woman regardless if she is a transgender. I always tell people that I focus on a woman's inner beauty instead of their outer beauty. Most men would run for the hills if they found out they're dating a transgender when it comes to sex. To me, transgender women are everyday women in the street regardless of what they look like. I'm not trying to be sexual but most men would think it's very depressing to fall in love with a transgender woman because she has two holes instead of three if you know what I mean. I don't know about the rest of the men on this post but I would actually be trying my hardest to show a transgender woman that she is a woman regardless of how she looks including all areas around her.
The fact you need to use separate terms to even delineate one from the other kinda nullifies the question. In any case, no I don't consider them the same, because they're NOT the same. Doesn't matter how people try to twist words and distort logic to reach the conclusion they wanna hear. You are what you're born into. (psychologically, that's a grey area, since our self-perception may not match our biological reality. But the biological reality itself is still a fact, whether or not the mind is configured to be compatible with that reality.)
What might feel like a cure to the sick can have the effect of poison on the unafflicted. Trans people can believe whatever they want, but when they try to impose those beliefs on the rest of us, and apply political and social pressure to do so, then they cross the line into what I'd consider a form of intellectual terrorism. Forgive me if that wording sounds harsh or triggering (sincerely, I'm not here to sow bad feelings towards anyone), but when people are being hounded on social media to the point of suicide and fired from their jobs because they said "gender is real" or some such statement, then yes, I consider those involved to be spreading ideology through the use of terror. I'm sure plenty of trans supporters do NOT engage in such actions. But the redefinition of words and the sublimation of facts towards feelings is a precursor that allows such terrorising incidents to foment in the broader social landscape.
Woops, replied to the wrong comment.
If by “actual” you mean biologically then no trans women are not women and trans men are not men and I’m a trans girl myself. But I do think they should be accepted (as long as they’re adults) as the gender they present themselves as. And that doesn’t mean I think creepy men who call themselves women should be allowed in women’s changing rooms or anything like that.
Says it all really. Props to you for accepting yourself whilst keeping your head screwed on straight. It's an increasingly rare quality, because everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too, very few people actually take ownership of their choices and understand they can't always have it both ways. If you've had a gender transition, then by definition you're trans, I don't understand why certain sects within the trans community insist so much on being simultaneously an M2F and a "real woman", or an F2M and a "real man". Like, at a certain point, surely people just have to pick a lane, right? Anyways, respect to you, you've got the right idea.
That’s exactly it. When gays and lesbians wanted equal rights, they didn’t demand that people accept that two people of the same sex can make a baby or that you’re homophobic if you only want to go out with the opposite sex.
But that's the problem, because the slightest comment can make someone "transphobic". people are scared or legislation scared to check on that. So it creates loopholes. But you don't hear trans people make a comment about that. They only complain about not being in women's sports but not caring about women if say top female runners lose scholariships because trans women dominate the highschool competition. There was some cases showing the loophole because way too much sensitivity from trans community. Where a male criminal. Had cosmetics and breasts padding and said he identified as woman and was in a women's prison. He raped 9 of the female inmates before they took him out and put him in a men's prison. They fucked up, but I think this stuff happens from feeling pressured to not thorougly check things because of fear from being ridiculed by everything being transphobic.
Lol why why are the options for believing both transwomen and transmen separated but not believing them is combined?
Anyway, transwomen are women. Transmen are men. Genderfluid is whatever they feel like that day and non binary is neither.
Seriously, people should stop focusing so much on them. They are not hurting you in the slightest.
I made a mistake in the poll options. Damn site doesn't allow for corrections.. I can't believe you actually believe a man born male is somehow equal to you biologically speaking. It's delusion.
Yeah, I had the same issue with my generations question when I missed millennials and I couldn't fix it. I get why they don't allow it but it's annoying. It isn't about biologically. Can a person born biologically male get pregnant and give birth? Currently no (although this is changing in the future). Does that make her any less a woman? No. If the benchmark is the ability to get pregnant, then I and a lot of other women wouldn't meet the mark either.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!No because it's insulting to the people who are biologically born that gender and deal with the things that come with that.
An obvious example is periods and child birth for women. Trying to pretend you're a women while not actually experiencing these things is disingenuous.
I don't care if you're a weirdo with a mental illness who likes to dress up like the other gender, but that doesn't mean you're the real thing.
Trans women are women, trans men are men. They are real, no matter what I consider them
They’re trans-men and trans-women, but NO they are not ACTUAL men and women.
otherwise they wouldn’t be TRANS
Anything with trans in it means you werent born as that. So nah
Transcontinental Transfat Translation Transfer ... hmm
i know those words and i knew someone couldnt wait to be a smartass about it. We both know what i was referring to so im not worried about all that
😊 I couldn't resist, sorry lol
Biological men who think they are women are still men. Biological women who think they are men are still women. It doesn't matter what cosmetic changes are made.
It doesn't matter what they "think" they are. A person might think they are Joan of Arc or Napoleon, but that doesn't make it so.
Exactly
No, it's not the same as being born that way.
What's exactly is an actual man or women? Biologically speaking the difference is not there after the gender change surgery then remains the psychological aspects well a guy feels he is female is coz of his psychology so he js already a female by mind just not by body after the surgery he is mentally a female and physically a female as well but still what is actual female or actual male
I'm a trans man who likes to be seen as male but I'm aware I'm genetically female.
@mortdikeuu It is much easier for you to pass and be accepted as a man (as long as you only have small to medium breasts) than it is for a trans woman to pass and be accepted as a woman. It is easier for you to wear any clothes of choice; and use the preferred restroom, changing room, and exercise facilities of choice. The only noticeable difference is that you are unable to stand and use the urinal to pee. However, that is not a real disadvantage as it is rather disgusting and the men's restrooms have fewer stalls; and it is much more pleasant to sit.
Also, a penis can be annoying and be a disadvantage in many ways.
@mortdikeuu Your posts are confusing. On this post you claim to be a genetic female who chooses to be seen as a man. Upon looking at some of your other posts; it appears you are the opposite. Which are you?
You need to be more specific with "trans".
Transsexual or Transgender.
there is no distinction between them. they both mean the same thing.
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While "transgender" may now be used widely for both, there was a difference.
A transsexual is a person who has undergone sexual reassignment surgery. A transgender may be living as the opposite sex from their anatomy but may not have undergone any sexual reassignment surgeries.
You were not born when tennis pro Dr. Richard Raskind / Renée Richards was in the headlines...
www.si.com/.../renee-richards-gender-identity-politics-transgender-where-are-they-now
So, Richard Raskind / Renée Richards is a transsexual and is now also called a transgender.
But, Bruce Jenner / Caitlyn Jenner is not a transsexual and just a transgender.
As for transsexual being offensive, I don't care who the fuck it offends. As a scientist and engineer, I like accuracy and precision because Nature does not forgive errors. Obfuscation may be politically correct so some people don't get hurt, but, tough, grow-up. The other 7 billion of us were not put on this planet to serve you.
No I don't, but I do believe in live and let live.
live and let live sounds nice. but while it feels good it doesn't do good in the world the actions of others affect you. especially if you share a society with them. their ideas impact you, their way of life will shape yours. there is no living and let live what about the real girl raped in a girls bathroom at a highschool in loudon county this week in virginia? that wouldn'th ave happened if you hadn't lived and let live
No, I don't.
You are the same sex you were born as. Transition is just playing God by using hormone treatments and cosmetic surgery. You were born a dude, you are a dude. You were born a woman, you are a woman.
I don't consider them or anyone else to be anything. I call everyone by the name and pronouns they prefer.
They're not actual men and women because they weren't born that way
A course not only in rare cases that a persona is born the wrong sex.
whatever you were born as, that's what you are. Sorry, not sorry. Seek help, get therapy, stop F'ing up your body and embrace yourself. if you're gay be gay like what? A person born with a vagina will never know the struggles of a man, a person born with a penis will never know the struggles of a woman. That's how it is. Mark my words you'll soon have an undefeated tranny in all women's sports. eventually they'll just be all trans people in the leagues. Not a good idea ladies, not if you really want that "female empowerment". A trans woman hits my wife or little girl it's LIGHTS F'N OUT KIDS! Imma haymaker the shit outta you so you better have the police on speed dial.
If someone wants to cross dress or act like the opposite sex, that's their business, not mine. I don't volunteer any judgements. But if asked directly, I simply reply truthfully. I'm not obligated to participate in the charade. I recognize two sexes; male and female. I follow the science. Two X chromosomes = female. An X and a Y = male. The male pronoun 'he'; the female one is 'she'. No need for confusion.
I don't see them or treat them any differently. I'm aware they are not biologically man or woman. But a person's biological sex doesn't matter to me, I can't see that.
I see them as just people. Of a kind that I have nothing in common with; so I keep them on a distance. Therefore, it does not matter what I or they believe they are.
If they pee standing up they are a man
If they pee sitting down they are a woman.
That's not a good reason but I see your point.
At all lmao. I know grown ass straight men who pee sitting down 😂
@DizzyDesii: Medically it's better to drain your bladder. We all pee sitting down anyways when we go the bathroom for #2 lol
Nope.
Your chromosomes are what determine whether you are a male or female, you can Frankenstein whatever body parts you want onto or off of yourself but it will never change what you are what you were born as.
Whatever your chromosomes are at your birth that's what you are and what you will always be. Period and end of story.
Though some people take it even further and at that point they are more of a chimera then whatever they were born as naturally.
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