Why is it more common for women to be LGBTQ?

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

For example, if we take a look at these facts
https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx
9.5% of women, and 5.4% of men labelled themselves as LGBTQ+
Specifically
Homosexuality = 2.6% of men, 2.3% of women
Bisexuality = 2.0% of men, 6.0% of women
Transexuality = 0.6% of men, 0.8% of women
Other = 0.2% of men, 0.4% of women
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s-keystat.htm#samesexpartners
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/s.htm#sexualorientationandattraction
- 7.3% of men, and 20.8% of women have had sexual contact with the same sex
- 90.6% of men, and 76.8% of women are only attracted to the opposite sex, meaning that more women claim same sex attractions
- 95.1% of men, and 89.6% of women reported being heterosexual
- 1.8% of men, and 2.7% of women reported being homosexual
- 1.8% of men, and 7.7% of women reported being bisexual
https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/data/yrbs/2019_tables/students_by_sexual_identity.htm
Homosexuality = 2.1% male, 2.9% female
Bisexuality = 3.4% male, 13.9% female
Not Sure = 3.2% male, 5.6% female
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210610-why-more-women-identify-as-sexually-fluid-than-men
"They found that between 2011 and 2019, college-age women had increasingly moved away from exclusive heterosexuality. In 2019, 65% of women reported only being attracted to men, a notable decrease from 77% in 2011. The number of women exclusively having sex with men also dropped between those years. Meanwhile, men’s attraction and sexual behaviour stayed mostly static in the same time frame: about 85% reported sexual attraction to women only, and close to 90% reported engaging in sex exclusively with women."
What makes it more common in women?
Is it more along the lines of societal or cultural influences?
Or is it just more natural in women?

[Bratsondanielle]

I think girls have a higher risk of psychological illness generally, not just this one where the girl (human/homo sapient with xx-chromosomes ) thinks she's a cat or a dog or an apache helicopter or something. We need better psychological care

[DataOrganizer27]

Firstly, I believe both genders are attracted to the same sex in some way (jealousy because someone is hotter than you, being able to appreciate another's beauty even though they are the same gender, all the way to sexual attraction acted on or not). They don't lie when they say it's a spectrum of emotions that comes along with sexuality as a whole. Sexuality doesn't just mean SEX and people tend to forget that.

However, I think there may be some underlying factors that cause women to act on it and identify with it more strongly than men.

1) men tend to have it hard in society generally and there are strong characteristics that are expected of them. Perhaps this is why not all gay men appear to be gay, because they were able to accept that role as a masculine and strong figure. Some men may never act on it out of fear of rejection. Society might be more open than their household and it's better to play it safe to them.
2) both genders are capable of being assaulted sexually, but we hear about a LOT more women, in the media and everything, than men and most safeguards against sexual assault are targeted to protecting women. It could make women feel vulnerable and unsafe. Some go on to be with meat heads and body builders. Others, in turn, may decide to 'play it safe' with another woman.
3) there is this movement in society whispering about distrusting men and how they are inferior or unneeded/unwanted. Maybe it's big and maybe it isn't, but the fact that it's there at all shows there's still a 'battle of the sexes' if you will. Aside from the girls who experiment in college, are born gay, or are trying to be sexy for the guy at the other end of the bar, there may also be women out there who straight REFUSE to date men just because they hate them. Not even most women are stupid enough to buy into this nonsense, but a few with a TikTok is enough to make the entire female species seem insane.

This is all just pure speculation from a woman, but these are just some of my personal theories on why this may be the case.

[TheLastRhodesian]

This statistic is very low, at least 70% of women have had sex with another woman, (in Spain and the United States it is 96%). This is because women are not responsible for the reproduction of the species, which is why her heterosexuality is not strong. In addition, lesbians are seen as male entertainment, as was the case in harems.

[Anonymous]

Studies show that almost all women are sexually attracted to other women, but many of them just never act on it.

Studies also show that most men are not sexually attracted to other men.

That's just male and female human nature.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

It's more socially acceptable for women to be LGBTQ than men.

Think of how many men still use "gay" as an insult when what they really mean is "that doesn't conform to my toxic definition of masculinity".

Also, straight men have sexualized LGBTQ women. WLW is often popular among straight men because they like to imagine themselves in a MFF threesome.

There's also the whole deal with men's mental health. Most men go through life just doing what's expected or taught - many haven't ever been given the tools or permission to explore their identities, whether that means sexual orientation, gender identity, or who they are outside of "bread winner".

Women tend to have more focus on "finding ourselves", and often we have mentors and role models who will push us to think of our identities.

Men tend not to have that kind of support. That's mostly just a function of time at this point, though. Older generations don't tend to encourage questioning, but from Milennials onwards, you see an increase in acceptance for men to explore themselves.

I think we can expect those numbers to level out with time.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Two things I can think of, one is girls are more likely to be abused, raped or sexually molested by men which can make them fearful of men and more likely to go towards women.

The other is men seem to be more homophobic and less likely to embrace it, even when they have leanings.

[Femphile_xoxo]

An uneducated opinion from me. I'd say it's not that it's more common, it's just that a lot of LGBTQ men are probably more closeted. Like in the 20's you probably wouldn't see many women saying they were gay! Same with men. I think it's not that women are more likely, probably just fewer women are closeted maybe? There was also a study done that shows that gay men are more likely to be hated than lesbians (ref @ bottom).

I don't really think that's the ONLY reason why. I think for gaps such as that there are multiple factors. I agree with @Aerissa_Jade 's idea as well.


1. Bettinsoli ML, Suppes A, Napier JL. Predictors of Attitudes Toward Gay Men and Lesbian Women in 23 Countries. Social Psychological and Personality Science. 2020;11(5):697-708. doi:10.1177/1948550619887785

[Mrsposh]

I'm honestly Clueless about that kind of stuff. I don't quite understand the reasoning behind pretending to be something that you're not.

[Tiptoetamm]

I feel like it's not acceptable in society for women to beat lesbian bisexual I don't think there's more women necessarily just that women feel more comfortable to talk about it publicly if that makes sense

[Tiptoetamm]

2 of my ex's are bi and the don't tell everyone there were very quiet about it. Now they were freaks. I like bi men there are fun to play with!

[Yucy_Gluttony]

Maybe men are more embarrassed about it? A lot of men here struggle with their penis size, height, having no muscle. Aka BEING MANLY! URGGHH!!! RAAA!! that's how I picture it anyway. Maybe they feel uncomfortable, maybe they think it contradicts that MANLIHOOD UURGHH!!! sorry. Maybe they are afraid of being judged by their friends who are guys?

[genericname85]

look at how many women are intersex or trans vs how many men. i think it's gonna be way more men there.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

Transexuality = 0.6% of men, 0.8% of women

[genericname85]

weird. never saw a transsexual woman. transsexual men are all over the place. at least where i live.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

Well, the majority I know are FtM. But as we can see from the statistic (and the homosexual statistic), there is no significant difference between men and women. The major difference comes from bisexuals, which makes sense. In the Gallup Poll, there were more Bisexual women, than all of the rest of the LGBTQ+ community combined. Soo, its not surprising there are more LGBTQ+ women.

[genericname85]

well i wonder how this statistic counts that. like are they just asking people or are they actually taking any physical/biological or other superficial criteria into account? xD

[genericname85]

because to me, self identification doesn't really work for gender. that only works for sexual orientation.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

they are all surveys, for that is about the only way you can record it. However, psychologists do view female sexuality as being more fluid, therefore obviously more prone towards being LGBTQ

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

That would be the whole point of the Trans community. They self-identify.

[genericname85]

people need to understand that their identity is generally not something they can one sidedly determine or claim ownership of. how you feel on the inside does not matter at all for what and who you are. every aspect of who you are emerges as a result of socio-cultural negotiatins with the people that are part of your society. if you decide the sky is green to you, you can't demand that everyone else calls the sky green. that's not how language works. people need to understand that if others missgender them, that's not the peoples mistake. that's their very own failure to be convincing as the gender they are trying to portray. people describe what they see. they don't describe intrinsic values that aren't apparent to them when they label tings.

[genericname85]

Anyway. Thanks for correcting my wrong estimation of the proportions of trans people.

[SilentlyWatching]

I don't know? Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Some men might not admit to being into other men...

[Lis-the-librarian]

The society is more accepting.
Weren't the romans gay, like most of them, guys? Heard it somewhere. It was a normal thing and not looked down upon.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

Haha no, not at all.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

Most Romans, like anyone else in history, were straight. The fact is that more women are LGBTQ+ because its more common within female sexuality. Females are generally more fluid in their sexuality, its why they tend to go through phases and changes. Males tend to stay more static. But I do agree that acceptance is likely an influence on it.

[nudeNhorny]

@lis-the-librarian no the Greeks were more gay than the Romans

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

@nudeNhorny Yes, even the terms Lesbian, and Sapphic love come from the Greeks There was Lesbos of Sopho, that wrote poetry about female/female love. Hence the reason we use the term Lesbian, to describe female/female love and also the term "Sapphic" to describe female relationships But once again, Homosexual relationships were outlawed throughout most of Greek history. Only during very specific periods, and specific kingdoms was it even considered accepted by any degree. Athens for example, throughout most of its history was EXTREMELY Homophobic. This was also the fact for the Romans as well. We can't take specific small periods of time in the history of multi century civilizations, and use that to define them. Rome and Greece were not "Pro-Gay" civilizations They were throughout most of their history Anti-Gay. But historically, its not really any sort of fair comparison.. So trying to speak about historical civilizations has little to no play here. Especially, when the majority of historical civilizations were VERY anti-LGBTQ+ The fact is 99% of history is written by men, and men play nearly all of the most important roles in nearly every society in the history of mankind.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

@nudeNhorny Its like taking the 1920s America, with the flappers, and freedom of expression and assuming that defines the history of the United States. When only decades later, the country would become far more conservative, and holding to more traditional values. Its like being a historian, and taking that specific era, and saying "Well this defines the Civilization of the USA" Its quite ridiculous really. The whole "Romans are Gay" or "Greeks are Gay" thing is more of a narrative drive, and not really a representation of those long spanning and complex civilizations. Yes, there were periods of time when the Greeks were more accepting of gay relationships Be it Sparta, and its acceptance of Male/Male relationships among military men, and Female/Female relationships among housewives or Athens when there were periods of time when it was common for Elders to take Youth (be it gay or lesbian). However, these were not all spanning eras of Greek history.. Even scholars who speak about Greek pedastry, accept that it wasn't likely that common, and only practiced by the elites of society... and viewed VERY negatively by the vast majority of Greek society. ^ in that case, it would be like taking the standards of Hollywood, or San Francisco in the United States, and assuming that it defines the entire culture of the United States IN TRUTH... what is acceptable in Hollywood, is largely viewed negatively throughout the country. Yes, there were many things practiced in Hollywood that tend to get publicity.. but even within Hollywood itself, those practices are not the "norm" or considered the "typical relationship" (think of the acceptance of relationships with children, or wife sharing, or polyamorous type relationships that you see among the Hollywood elites). That clearly isn't acceptable throughout most of the nation

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

@nudeNhorny So to put it simply Yes, there are recorded examples of gay relationships in ancient greece, or rome However. 1. These were not the norm, and were not commonly practiced throughout the society 2. They were not accepted wholesale, and often outlawed during long periods of time 3. They are only a very specific lens into trying to understand the views of sexuality in these societies, because they are taken by the writing of only a handful of men (of which, many of those historians are not viewed as being taken seriously, but more along the lines of being poetic... meaning that if we look at the writing of a famous historian like herodotus, we understand that this more of "story" style writing, than an actual historical writing as we understand it today). This means that much of what we understand is limited, and is likely only a representation of a few 4. Much of what is highlighted (like gay/lesbian relationships) were not commonly practiced, and only part of the elites, and even then only during certain times in the history of those civilizations (For example, try to compare gay rights in modern greece, with our perceptions of them in the past.. the fact is things change)

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

5. We can't calculate how commonly practiced these things were, because there was no census, there were no surveys, there was not actual scientific study (like the ones I've provided), and therefore everything is largely subject to narrative and bias. 6. History has largely been dominated by men.. and therefore we see largely only the "male history" of human history. Females have played a much smaller role, very few ever taking control or having much influence in our understanding of these civilizations. This means that we will ALWAYS see a more masculine dominate perception of these societies. The fact is you will likely see more writings on Gay Males in the past, because its largely Men writing.. Not because Gay Men were more numerous.. The fact is the Female side of things is not often flushed out. That is even true in much of modern history... Think of just how Women have gained independence in USA history (within the last 100 years arguably.. and even then spending most of that time dependent upon men financially).

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

So the point is speaking about an ancient civilization is VERY pointless to this discussion It has no relevance, and topics like sexuality can't really be trusted. There are more LGBTQ+ women than men. Why? Likely due to the fluidity of female sexuality but also likely influenced by societal/cultural norms Take the 1950s America It was VERY difficult for Lesbians to practice, due to their dependence on Males. Women could NOT survive, without getting married to a man. Even most aspects of "independence" (such as career choice, ability to move freely, ability to create their own path) were closed to women at that time. It was likely MANY Lesbians were married to men out of pure necessity. Men on the other hand, though not accepted either.. had an easier time to practice in secret.. because it was possible for a man to live alone, on his own salary, and carry out his own life This doesn't mean "more gay men" This means easier access for gay men.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

In todays modern world, women have just as much access to personal abilities than men. This means, if a woman wants to go without getting married, its much easier for her to do that She has all the same avenues opened up to her. In this period of time, its clear that with women on an equal standing with men, and therefore able to practice more easily and make their own choices MANY women practice Lesbianism, because its what they want to do. This is like an a major influence on why more women are OUT as gay/bi than men. In a society of true equality (which the USA basically is, in comparison to most any other society in history).. this is a true reality of sexual expression. This is the same in every other nation that equates to the USA (or is even better, like the Nordic nations)

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

There are roughly 3x more women that are LGBTQ+ than men. and this agrees with biologists and and psychologists who suggest that female sexuality is more naturally geared towards homosexual expression. there are various explanations 1. Women are more emotionally connected, and therefore physical characteristics are not as important (as it is to men) For example, men are more visually stimulated.. which makes the sex of their partner important. Women are not. 2. Women are more naturally fluid in their sexuality. They are more likely to change it, and go through phases. It is not uncommon for a straight women to be bisexual, or lesbian at some point in her life. The same applies to Lesbians, who sometimes will switch back and forth This is why statistics on the LGBTQ+ community are almost ALWAYS the same for men. The size of the LGBTQ+ male community changes very little... while for the women, we see MASSIVE growth, and change.. and variance. Especially when we start applying things like "attraction" or "sexual interests" outside of identity Where a large portion of women are attracted to women ^ something like 60% or more of straight women are attracted to women. Its because Identity doesn't necessarily mean anything to women. a women can identify as being "straight".. but also enjoy lesbian porn... find women hot.. and sleep with women occasionally. This is a common trend. (Lesbian porn IS the most popular category for female porn viewers). Yet for men, if such a standard was held.. we would view it entirely differently. . and obviously understand that those men are NOT straight Imagine a man claiming to be straight... but he loves gay porn.. and occasionally sleeps with men. Now you understand.

[OnyxianGhostsLove]

3. I have also heard from biologists the claim that its evolutionary and lesbianism was a way to prevent any sort of conflict between cowives. 4. The fact that lesbianism is accepted and encouraged by many also clearly helps IF Lesbianism was unacceptable (which it has been throughout most of history, and in many ways.. viewed even more negatively than gay male relationships..) then we wouldn't see it as commonly practiced. With its acceptance, its very common for a large chunk of women to experiment with the same sex. Think of how many times weve heard on here "well men suck, and so women get tired of guys, so they try women" TRY using that sort of logic for men? We would completely ACCEPT a man is bi or gay if he did that The standards tend to be difference BECAUSE female sexuality is naturally more gay... fluid... experimental... etc

[nudeNhorny]

Okay, thanks for that huge reply 😅, I'm sure gonna take my time reading it.

[Anonymous]

I think women's brains have been developed in a way so that they get turned on by about "anything" to avoid "rape". They get turned on by straight, gay, lesbian sex, animal sex, "aliens" and any type of sex.
It also has to do with emotions maybe. When I get turned on by a woman it's not mostly about her body, but it's about the emotions in her eyes mostly. The sense of well-being that she transmits.
However, I identify as straight.
Men also have mental barriers. God forbid if they have to play a woman's role in sex, because a "woman's role" is like lower and degrading for them. A lot more men "hate" gays. I've never seen women have problem with them.

[Anonymous]

We are more open-minded

[Anonymous]

In general, women have a higher body count than men and will take off their panties for anyone more quickly when they get horny.