Abortion: acceptable or an abomination to mankind?

[Anonymous]

With things more public more now than ever abortion has become a real headliner for people and the argument has been heating up about whether or not it should be legal and if it is moral or not. If laws were passed banning abortion wouldn't that take away some of your rights as a human being? being able to do whatever you want to your body along the lines of helping it. I mean if a women is carrying a baby with a deadly genetic disorder like tay-sachs or trisomy 18 an d13, with such deadly genetic disorders why put a women through a pregnancy that would even claim her own life? Pregnancy is a dangerous period in a women's life, so why not get the unborn fetus out if you know it has a disorder and will die within a year after birth, not only that but knowing that it could kill you in the delivery process. I work at a funeral home and we had a call about a women who wants a funeral for her 7 month old and a 5 month old who died, it is sad but why go through with a arranged funeral and the costs? What is there to say at the funeral? To me these answers were what sparked the whole abortion debate with a group of female friends, my mom even. To me a unborn fetus is not a life, it cannot live outside the womb by itself and sustain its life. so therefore I am totally for abortion if the situation calls for it. I was enlightened to hear what my other friends said to me, stating that they can have premature births and babies do make it. but what percent of those make it to live past a few years? Abortion to me is way over blown and put to the extreme with people. they bring morals into it which I think is wrong, your total neglecting a women's rights to her own body and calling it murder for something that is not alive YET. "yet" is the key word, it could have a life, again it could die in a miscarriage or kill the mother. My last point in why I am for abortion is if a women is raped, or has STI's and do not want the child of a rapist or let the child suffer from HIV. To me this should and always must be a good option for women, why go through the pain of seeing the person who raped you in your child? or know your child won't live long with HIV or if they do the medicine to slow the disease is very costly? These questions should be taken into consideration, whether your for or against abortion both sides need to be looked at and accepted as viable and not to harm anyone's thinking. But my question to you girlsaskguys.com is what is your overall take on Abortion?

[TroubleIsHrMdleNm]

I think abortion is wrong and evil and the people who are for them and get them are the worst horrible disgusting putrid scum of the Earth. I hate when people try to make it about the baby, unless the child has a decease like Ta sacks or ADL where they will die a slow painful death there is no reason to consider an abortion, even then it would be something to really think about. To the woman who say they have a right to their body and reproductive freedom, what about the babies right to live. The baby should not have to die just because you slept around and did not know how to use a condom. Even if the case of rape, the baby did not rape you and should therefore not have to suffer. Adoption is always an option. To the men who say they would want and make their girlfriend have an abortion because you don't want to have a kid, or your not ready for a kid, then you should do something to make sure she is not in a position to get pregnant. Adoption is always an option, because their are so many families out there who would want and love a wonderful gift of a baby and be able to treat it right, that their is never a need for an abortion other than being evil cruel and selfish. If you do not want a kid close your legs, and tie your tubes. And yes a fetus is a living thing, it can cry kick move have hair and finger nails, and even hear sounds. Even when it is just a little tiny cell by definition of living things it is alive, and thereby by making it not alive you are committing an horrible act of murder on an innocent baby. Why do you think they have special doctors and pills and precautions that to you have to take when you are pregnant? To protect the baby, because it is a fragile but living none the less being. It is a person, but not just a person, your child, you have a duty as it mother to protect it for 9 months and then keep it or give it up for adoption to a loving family. So even if you home life and situation would not provide for a safe and happy environment for a baby, you can give it up, and give it to a stable loving an caring family that you can meet and interview and choose prior to having the baby to ensure that it will have the best possible start, an then you could never hear from the baby again. Or your could have an open adoption and still be apart of your child's life even if you can't be the mother in the most common sense. You mother chose to allow you to live and grow, even if she was a horrible mother, she did that much, so you owe it to her, to pass on the gift of life. Say all of this to say there is never EVER a reason to have an abortion. Oh, if someone kills a pregnant woman they get charged with double homicide , why? Because the baby is alive, and so if you have an abortion you have no excuse, no reason, and your are just horrible, evil, vile, cruel, sadistic, monstrous being who dose not deserve to walk this earth because if you can kill not only a baby but a child you do not deserve to go on your merry way whore.

[slytherinqueenbee]

Hi, I'd like to say first off you're entitled to your opinion, but don't call pro choice people "horrible, evil, vile, cruel, sadistic, monstrous, murderers or whores" there's really no need for it. Second of all, you mention the woman sleeping around and not knowing to use a condom, condoms aren't 100% effective, only 97% and birth control pill is 99.99% effective so she could be taking all the precautions and still wind up pregnant, that's not her fault. Then you mention a fetus conceived as a result of rape, you used the word 'baby', it's not a baby until it has been born, it's still a fetus, using the term baby has already been pointed out in many arguments as a form of emotional blackmail and it isn't scientifically correct anyway. Plus, why should the woman have to go through the trauma of carrying a pregnancy to term that occurred because of a horrific act, this would most probably be constantly on her mind, not to say that a woman couldn't carry it to term because of her own

[slytherinqueenbee]

beliefs, but she should still be given a choice nevertheless. Yes, adoption is an option, but with the amount of children in the care system, which isn't a good place to be in for many children in the first place, adding more children into this already dysfunctional system isn't going to solve anything. Also let's take into account the amount of stress and strain pregnancy puts women through, their bodies change, they put on a lot of weight, hormones go haywire, morning sickness, the list goes on, plus the post-pregnancy side effects, why put yourself through such an ordeal if the pregnancy is unwanted and if carried to term the resulting baby won't go to a loving home afterwards? Your next point is ridiculous, "close your legs and tie your tubes", why should a woman do so, she may want children in the future but not right now and why should she stop having fun and having a major surgical operation that is irreversible, if anything men should get vasectomies, at least these can be

[slytherinqueenbee]

reversed, (in most cases, not all). Although there are no hard scientific facts on when a fetus is alive, it's generally agreed upon when life is viable outside of the womb, and up until 21 weeks (youngest fetus to survive) and more general around the world 24 weeks being the cut off point for late term abortions, unless something severe occurs, so according to the vast majority of scientists and experts a fetus is not alive until it is able to survive outside of the womb. Again with the attempt at emotional blackmail, it's not a baby, it's a fetus. Like I have already pointed out, carrying a pregnancy to term can destroy a woman's body and her mental health, and after the baby is born, there's not always the guarantee it will go to a loving family. You're wrong in saying there's never ever a reason to have an abortion, there are differing views other than yours, don't force your emotions and beliefs on others. And the double homicide point, I had to look this up as it's not a law in

[slytherinqueenbee]

my country, so I'm assuming you;re from the USA; to summarise you have the 1973 Supreme Court Case of Roe vs. Wade to thank for that, it basically states that as the fetus is dependant on the woman she gets to decide when to terminate it, up until the legal cut off point, that's her constitutional right, when she is murdered, neither of them have that choice, thus it violates the constitutional rights, hence it being classed as a double homicide.

[FadedGrenade]

if fetuses could talk they would say, "please mommy dont kill me!!" but they can't talk. or think. they have no concept of existence, let alone death. they have no fears, no desires. if chairs could talk, they'd ask us not to put our sweaty asses on them, but they can't talk, or even register their situations, so we don't bother analyzing any other scenarios.

don't buy that? here's a test. im holding a baby in one hand and a petri dish holding an embryo in the other. im going to drop one, you choose which.
if you really truly believe that an embryo is the same thing as a baby, it should be impossible for your to decide. you should have to flip a coin, thats how impossible the decision should be.
shot in the dark, you saved the baby. because you're aware there's a difference. now admit it.

in a pro-life world, this is what it would look like:
A woman, lets say she's named Tess. Tess became critically sick with cancer. SHe was also 25 weeks pregnant. THe hospital sought a court order forcing 25-year-old Tess to undergo a C-section in the hope that the fetus could be saved, despite the medical testimony that the surgery could kill her. The court privileged the fetus' rights over Tess's own life. Her fetus, too underdeveloped to survive, died within two hours. Tess died within 2 days-the c section was cited as a contributing factor in her death.

have you ever even seen the face of an embryo? it is not a person. it is a deveoping uman organism. Pro-lifers say that this organism has more rights than you do, and that as soon as an egg is fertilized in the uterus, you should lose your rights as a citizen and as an autonomous human being. You should be under state regulation as long as there is a human organism in your uterus, an your body should not be under your control. This face is what they velive is more valuable than any girl or woman life:
i.pinimg.com/.../...1d--life-magazine-the-face.jpg

[J3archer]

Listen, pro-lifers (myself included) do not say the fetus has more rights. We say it has equal rights.

[J3archer]

This is terrible. At 20 weeks a fetus can feel “noxious stimulus” for example getting pricked by a needle. They will pull away. They can feel discomfort. So how much discomfort do you think that they can feel when you rip off of their arms, legs, and heads? So say that because they can't talk makes it okay to hurt them is awful, cruel, and inhumane. They can feel everything that we do to them. If they know to pull away from a needle that is causing them harm, they sure as heck know fear. Also as a person who always considers myself pro-life I have never once suggested that a fetus should have more rights than you or I, just all of the same human rights that it is entitled to as a human. You yourself said "it is a deveoping uman organism." It is human, you didn't deny that. If you look at a picture of a giraffe fetus you can clearly tell that it is a giraffe. If you look at a cat fetus, you can clearly tell that it is a cat. So why do you try to convince yourselves that human fetus' are not people. If you see a sprout of a flower you consider it that flower, not a different plant. So why are you in such denial? Why can't you just admit it? You are just killing humans. Instead of baby (an extremely young child by definition by the merriam webster dictionary) you use fetus. Instead of kill you use abort. This is just your way of telling yourself that you are not killing a baby, you are "aborting" a "fetus". This is just so sad that people think that murder is morally okay. It is not, it never will be. I have convince at least three people to change to pro-life just by showing them what actually happens. If I was pregnant than I would give up my life for my child, even if I knew that there was a chance that both of us would die. That child should get a chance at life that would otherwise be taken away from it. I guess that it takes being a humane, good, not horrific person for you to be pro-life. Too bad that you can't boast the same.

[J3archer]

First of all, we aren't saying that unborn babies have MORE rights. We're saying they have EQUAL rights. The right to life is the most sacred and comes first in the declaration of independence. The baby's right to life comes before the woman's right to pursuit of happiness. The mother has the right to her body until her "right" infringes on another human being's life. Babies in the womb develop actual facial features at 8 weeks (that don't look like this, they actually look like a miniature version of an adult face). Yes, the majority of abortions are performed before this, but if you're argument is that "them having a face that doesn't look like this" is what gives them value, then you should know that 35% of abortions performed each year are done after the 8 week mark. About 125,000 abortions are done daily. Multiply this times 365 and you get 45,625,000 babies (or whatever you want to call them to make yourself feel better) being aborted each year (approximately). Take 35% of this number (the percentage of abortions performed after 8 weeks) and you get: 15,968,750. So, yes. 29,656,250 little humans without beautiful faces are aborted each year. But that 15,968,750 is how many that are aborted with recognizable faces.

[zombiefood]

The mother's health comes first above everything. The mother is the one who is alive, she is the one who has worked and made it this far and it's not right to choose the baby over her, unless that's what she wants. I don't care that other people are looking to adopt, there are plenty of orphanages that need people to adopt their children, so get one of them. No one NEEDS to have a baby because there are hundreds of kids out there already in need of homes, so take one of them.

I support abortion, but to a point. If the mother is in danger, yes, if the fetus is in danger, yes, if it was rape, okay, if it was incest or something similar, yes, or if the mother won't be able to support the child/she is young, yes, of course. Just because there's adoption does not mean that a 14 or 15 year old should have to go through a pregnancy and birth. That's nine months of the most trying thing she'll probably ever do. You can't just get pregnant and have a kid, it's not that simple. Especially if you're in school, and especially high school, most won't let you stay in once it starts to show. It's not as simple as putting it up for adoption, there's a lot more involved and it's not fair to force that on a girl who isn't even old enough to have a job.

Now, I don't believe in 5 or 6 month abortions, if you've been living with it that long then just f***ing keep it because you've had plenty of time to say no and you haven't. At that point it's just 'Oh never mind I don' feel like it'. It's also a lot more brutal of an operation because they don't just suck the cells out they're removing a baby-like fetus, I'm not sure about the details but... It's not right. I agree that after thee months it shouldn't be allowed.

[dudeman]

a girl that's 14 or 15 what does her age matter she is still killing a child in cold blood

[moaterboat]

I agree with dudeman, age is not an excuse to to something morally wrong.

[zombiefood]

Because it could, and very well may, ruin her entire life. Is that not important to you?

[dudeman]

no its not important to me because it may ruin her life if you kill a kid it will ruin its life so one is a better option

[bluewingedangel828]

well you know what she need to face it having the kid. cause she made the choice to ruin her life the day she decided to open her legs. don't want a kid don't have sex or at least be smart about it

[zombiefood]

It doesn't have a life yet. It's feeding off of hers. So she's taking care of her life. But we'll put it this way- A girl decides to have sex, she's mature she knows what to do, so they get a condom, make sure it's safe, put it on properly, but it breaks right at the end. A few weeks later she find she's pregnant. She knows her family will abandon her if they find out and in another few weeks the school will kick her out. She'll be left on the street, poor, hungry, alone, but at least the baby

[zombiefood]

will be alive. Living as miserable a life as she. There are still ways to get pregnant even if you're as safe as you can be. It's not her fault. And she shouldn't be punished for it. A life already alive is more important than an unborn baby's.

[dudeman]

see you are wrong on two things, it does have a life that's not an opinion that's a fact, also it is her fault she got pregnant so your justification is just wrong, just say you have no problem with premeditated murder in the first degree as long as those getting murdered are defensless at least then your argument would make sense and you will not hide behind thes false realities that you defend

[zombiefood]

I'm not going to argue this with you because you're just going to call me a murderer over and over until I get fed up. I don't feel bad about my stance, and you won't make me feel bad. You can have your opinion, I will have mine. Neither is fact, because in this topic it's all about gray areas. We only have opinions about when life starts. So, I say it's okay, you say it's not. It's settled. No random stranger online will convince either of us to change our deeply believed views. Good day, sir.

[dudeman]

no we do not I do not have opinion I have fact you have a tale you tell yourself sorry but that's how it is you do know abortion was backed by people that wanted to commite genocied on the blacks in this country don't you it has nothing to do with freedom of choice

[bluewingedangel828]

its always the both partys fault if she gets pregnant don't try to justify her stupid actions. and anyways she shouldn't be punished for it?!?!? HAH so then we can just let murders , sex offenders go roam the streets cause its not there fault how they are they are only people, and we as people should never get punish for anything. that's what your trying to say.

[Asker]

dude shut the f*ck your d bag who cannot accept anyone elses view, get the f*ck off this question if you are going to be a d bag

[J3archer]

So because some 14-15 year old sleeps around a baby should die?

[JohNfromKolob]

I am neithe rpro-life or pro-choice...I'm nuetral...I believe that there are valid points on both sides...and there is no good answer or solution. However...I totally disatgree with youa botu ana unborn fetus being a life...go look up some pictures of these "fetuses" (which can legally in the US be aborted up to 20 weeks for any reason at all).Read up when they have brain waves, a heartbeat etc... Btw...think about this..if living outside the womb is considered the definition of life...well...modern technology allows us to keep babies alive outside the womb at much earlier stages than in the past. Does this mean that the definition of human life is dependent upon the level of technology available?

Most abortions are done early..however the law allows for it up to 20 weeks, no questions asked...and later than that requires certain cricumstances (although, "mental health" is considered a valid reason so... "hey I'm depressed because I'm prego, scrape this thing out of me"...would work out just fine.

Honestly, I don't care too much, Yea it might be murder..but we only lock up murdered because we think that they might commoit that crime again if they had no reservation aobut doing it once. However, if women are just killing babies in their own wombs...I don't care because they don't pose a threat to me or anyone I care about.

The only reason I might like pro-life laws is if I have a relationship and my partner wants to kill MY baby...But I don't ever plan on having a sexual relationship with anyone who doesn't have the same view of human life I do and even though it would give me extra security to know that she could go to jail if she betrayed my trust...I just figure you gotta just invest trust in someone your in a relaionship. I mean your wife/gf could kill you in your sleep any night of the week too...sometimes your just vulnearable and there's nothing to be done. I don't really consider the abortion issue politically when I vote unless there is some extreme. I would consider Obama radical though...and many democrats, and the tea party candidate who believe teenage girls who are raped should not be allowed an abortion.

I'd consider myself a conservative so I usually vote for liberterian/Republican candidates, who usually fall on the pro-life side.

[Reggie1]

There is really no absolute in this issue - I can think of several occasions when abortion should happen, for example if the kid in question is the result of incest or rape. There are also people who may be unable to afford to keep a child for 16+ years and it would be irresponsible for them to try.

A life is a life, but if the life in question is going to be terrible for both the parent and the child, it should be possible to have the option. Then again, some people may want to keep a baby because of their capacity for love and a willingness to sacrifice and take on problems head-on.

[Asker]

thank you man I really enjoyed your answer, answered really objectively and clearly and without any arguing. I really appreciate it and for that you get the best answer. I totall agree with you on the subject and you sir could not have said it any better

[saphirasilverwings]

This is a really great, all-encompassing answer. I agree that this is an issue that isn't black and white, and I wish more people could recognize that.

[J3archer]

But can you really make that decision for the baby. How could you know what they baby wants. You can't choose to kill it just because it might have a bad life. It's just not right.

[wanacot]

It's 2011. Abortion has been legal in my country since 1988. I don't understand why people think there is still a "debate" about it. It will never suddenly become illegal in Western countries that already support it no matter how much the anti-abortion people try to push the issue.

People should stop caring so much about how other people live their lives and focus on themselves. If they really need a cause to get behind then why not something like stopping the spread of HIV or ending world hunger.

[dudeman]

no as long as we live in the same society it is going to be a heated debate abortion helps make for a more selfish society and a selfish society is a bad society it is a society that will crumble and not stand to the test of time

[wolfcat87]

An abomination would imply it goes against nature. Humans love to kill. It's natural. I have a bigger problem with the ignorant campaigns that pro-abortionists go on that the fact that they want abortions. Kill your kids, but call it what it is. If you can't adult enough to be responsible, then... well, I guess I can't expect much at all. Not to mention that the Guttmacher Institute for reproductive health says that a whopping 74% of abortions could be prevented if people would just use condoms or birth control. Only 26% are due to birth control failure. Crazy how that works. I don't like promoting ignorance or a lack of responsibility. That's all we do these days though. Without peer pressure to push people to be responsible, less people will see a need to.

[DSLexotic]

I agree abortion is a great thing. It should be mandatory if the fetus is defective or the parents cannot provide economically/emotionally for it. By the way - I'm in funeral services too, I do NOT agree on your stance in that regard. Losing a baby is very difficult! How could you not see a 5month old as a person? The parents just lost a part of them. The bonded with those babies; changing their diapers, feeding them, making them giggle, soothing their tears, & watching them learn. They lost that AND all the potential with them; little league, high school, college & grand kids - losing a baby is SUCH a great loss! Even losing a fetus that hasn't really developed is a great loss to people because they lost all the things they hoped that fetus would become, & a part of themselves. Grief is the result of loss. A side note: grief is the consequence for the chance we take to love.

[J3archer]

Just because someone is defected it doesn't make them any less of a person.

[bluewingedangel828]

i do think abortion is wrong. many people in this world want children, so what if the woman carrying the child don't want it SOMEONE ELSE DOES! reguardless of how the child came into this world. if you abort that baby your then taking someone elses rights away are you not? so my point here is don't be so selfish in thinking about yourself. there will always be someone else wanting that child.

[Asker]

the selfish thing is not considering your health first, and your telling me an unborn fetus is a person? can it live out of the womb? yourself should come first before anyone else, what right do other people lose if you abort the pregnancy? I'm curious to how emotional you seem in this thing, your too caught up in it, think objectively

[bluewingedangel828]

yourself should never come first. that's how we live in such a f***ed up world to busy to concerned about ourselves. everyone deserves a chance at life. plus you think you can abort someone and magically forget about it? I mean sure giving birth and having it die at 5 months is hard but you can let it go more easily because you know you didn't cause there death you can put it to rest. but knowing you went in and physically removed the child you have to suffer with the rest of your life.

[dudeman]

i agree we live in a selfish society that's why our world is the way it is

[bluewingedangel828]

exactly were to selfish. and abortion is just proof of that but not limited to the only proof

[Standingpretty]

Oh really? Just because something is living off something else doesn't mean it's alive QA? So, the bacteria keeping you alive right now isn't alive? How do you exist then?

[bluewingedangel828]

besides the fact dear Q/A the way technology is progressing before you know it fetus' will be living outside the womb for w/e reason. so what then will be your reasoning for abortion?

[bersaba]

Simply, I think abortion is necessairy, although I wish it wasn't required.

I personally don't think any female has ever seen abortion as an 'easy way out', so the idea that "lots of pregnant teenagers get abortions because it's easy" I think is a complete lie. I'd imagine any female in that situation, with a growing life inside her and an uncomfortable medical procedure is going to think it through.

There are other cases though, where there's no question. Etopic pregnancies, rape victims, incest victims, babies with severe mortal birth defects (ie, the baby won't life after birth) and so on.

I would prefer all unwanted pregnancies were treated with a condom rather then an abortion, but I also realize that'll never happen. And if you ban abortions they will go underground, which then puts risk on the woman.

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One think, whether your for or against abortions, I don't think you should picket outside the clinics. Picket the politicians, or go on Oprah, or hell even GAG. Argue your point in more appropriate places. But picketing a clinic on what's probably the most stressful day of that woman's life is just scum.

[goldengurl42]

ABORTION IS WRONG

[jjjezka91]

i think no matter what the circumstances, no one should be able to take away the person's rights. no matter how abominable or frowned upon or insulting or stomach turning. rights are rights are rights and of the ones we have, we shouldn't we worried about taking more away.

[l-hedoniste]

(Overwhelmingly male) legislatures telling women when they'll do with their bodies--*that's* an abomination to mankind.

[Asker]

yes I do agree there

[jjjezka91]

word up.

[J3archer]

'taint their bodies.

[moaterboat]

No SSN means I can kill it? Sweet, I'm gonna bag me an illegal immigrant!

[Asker]

stfu and get off this question

[Asker]

if you can't answer without including your nonsense and bullsh*t then get the f*** off this site, want me to call your mom because your crying too much over a simple question? really man grow a pair and stop bitching and complaining over this I'm sick your your sh*t that makes no sense because all your doing is trolling. troll troll troll troll troll that's all you know how to do, can't have a decent convo about this because your emotions ruin everything you say. STOP CRYING AND STFU

[moaterboat]

Ha! You're the one that is crying (look directly above this comment) and I am using cold hard logic, you are the one that is being driven by emotion.

[Asker]

yup I laugh at you and everyone elses complete ignorance, but hey ignorance is bliss so I should indulge in it too

[moaterboat]

If you don't like out definitions of "living human" perhaps you would provide your own.

[Asker]

well I have, perhaps read closer to the lines

[moaterboat]

humor me.

[Asker]

nope your a big boy, I'm not going to coddle you. find it for yourself

[moaterboat]

I was actually giving you a chance to refine your definition before I tore it to shreds, but if you want to say that the fact that a fetus lives inside a womb and is reliant on another to live, then why can't I say that anyone in a nursing home is not a living human and can be killed without legal ramifications? Perhaps we should include everyone with cerebral palsy, and hell, even people with diabetes rely on others to live. You're definition is absurd.

[Asker]

im not talking an age thing dumb ass, your thinking about it too much. nerd much? get a f***ing life. I'm saying that the fetus growing inside the womb , if it cannot survive yet outside of it if it were given birth prematurely then it is not a life. honestly shut the hell up god damn nerd, crawl back into your cave sheldon. what's absurd is that you even know the definition of life, and any definition that is give is 100% opinion and therefore 100% wrong. stfu dude your a D BAG

[moaterboat]

I didn't say anything about age either. And yes I am a nerd. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. The facts are that a fetus is a human, and just because a human will die when you remove it's food source and expose it to the elements doesn't mean it isn't alive. You have no logic to your argument. and I don't think you even understand what an opinion is.

[Asker]

an opinion is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty- therefore, yes I am fully aware of an opinion sir

[Asker]

and my logic in posting this question was for people responses not the scrutiny of my own beliefs, I was merely giving you something to think about and maybe base opinions on what I have to say. not a barrage of negative and irrational angry trolling that is taking place. some of you take way too much thought and seriousness into this whole subject. I am neutral on the topic and I don't take it in an aggressive manner like most people have. opinion-yes I definitely know what mine is, what's yours?

[bluewingedangel828]

so was he not a living human being all his life growing up with his parents because he depended on then for EVERYTHING

[moaterboat]

"my logic in posting this question was for people responses not the scrutiny of my own beliefs, I was merely giving you something to think about and maybe base opinions on what I have to say." Wow, do you realize how conceited that is? You posted this not to actually gather input that may lie outside your narrow viewpoint, but to give us something to think about? Listen, we don't need to you educate us, it is obvious that we are more informed on this subject than you.

[moaterboat]

What you obviously fail to understand is that you can't have just opinions. Opinions must be built on a framework of facts for them to work. I can't say that, in my opinion, you are a tree, because the facts that define what a tree is make that an absurd statement. Similarly, you can't say a fetus isn't a human, because there are no facts to back it up, and plenty of facts to discredit it.

[Asker]

yo what ever floats your boat can't argue with someone who can't take another opinion. abortion is not wrong and you nor anyone else will change that shut the f*ck up I'm tired of d bag like yourself and most others on here talking sh*t over internet. big man huh? get a life

[bluewingedangel828]

ha so funny you tell others to get a life yet you love to take them! what a hyprocrate.

[moaterboat]

You define life as the ability to live outside the womb and sustain it's own life. How does an organisms level of dependence on another equate to whether or not it is alive? From a scientific standpoint your argument is invalid. A fetus is a human because it possesses human DNA, just like a person who is on life support is still a human, even though they are totally dependent on others.

An intelligent debate on abortion cannot happen until everyone agrees that a fetus is, by every scientific definition, a human.

[cjwright79]

Abortion is nasty and wrong, but so is giving birth to anyone in 2011. Best to just keep it in your pants to be safe, at least for now. Unless you just gotta screw.

[Nyx_85]

In my opinion mankind is already an abomination to itself. Abortion doesn't make a huge difference. Never argue about it with religious folk though. Their arguments are 100% emotional. I've seen some fake 'scientific fakes' pro-life website like to spew out. They are hilarious.

[Nyx_85]

*scientific facts

[amameninas]

Abomination To Mankind.

Not strictly a religious issue. It is a sovereignty and natural/human rights issue.

If it is wrong for me to shoot my adult son and my dependent daughter dead in the street, it is no less wrong for me to reach into to reach into someone's uterus and kill an in-process child. If you believe humankind is is a special creation not equal to bugs or dolphins, it doesn't matter whether that human weighs an ounce or 400 pounds. When you kill it, you are committing murder.

There are many here who will offer forth the "keep your laws off my body" argument, and we are all free to mutilate ourselves as we wish because we own ourselves, just as Michael Jackson did. But abortion takes the life of a sovereign human life against his or her wishes. The carrier of a developing child has no natural right to terminate its live at 6 weeks gestation any more than she does at 45 weeks (6 after birth). The politics, emotional arguments, tragic exceptions fly about this but in the end, a human being's right to his or her life is the end of the argument.

Try this experiment. Go up to someone and day: I want to kill you because these are horrible times/you have HIV/it is legal in this country/you are costing me money/you have Ta/Sachs/you are the product of a rape/incest/you will die before you are 50. Out of 100, how many will say: "Kill me now" or "Geez, I sure wish they aborted me!"

[moaterboat]

Exactly, it all comes down to the fact that a fetus is a human, and therefor has a right to life, no other facts trump that basic tenet.

[bluewingedangel828]

abortion is just people tryng to justify there stupidity.

[Belgie]

If you can put it in a freezer at -190 for a year and it doesn't die? Its not a baby.

[J3archer]

They unfroze a baby mammoth that was frozen numerous years ago and it didn't die until about a minute after it unfroze. So your point is invalid.

[Belgie]

@J3archer Sorry, but made up bullshit news doesn't count as science.

[Belgie]

In case you're actually interested in science, and not just trying to spout bullshit to make a point - read this.
www.sciencenews.org/.../resurrecting-woolly-mammoth-cells-dna

They defrosted the corpse to try and see if the cells were going to be still viable to clone them. They were going to use the basic scaffolding of a mouse egg to incorporate the protein sequences from the mammoth cells, because it turns out the cells were not viable on their own.

They initially thought that there might be some indication that the proteins were taken up by the mouse cell, but it wasn't.

"Within the mouse eggs, the mammoth nuclei began showing signs of preparing to make new cells — assembling structures called spindles that help divvy up DNA in dividing cells, compacting the DNA and forming “blebs,” or bubblelike structures in the membrane surrounding the DNA.

That’s evidence that the nuclei were still capable of some biological activity, even after 28,000 years, the researchers say.

But after those initial stirrings, the activity stopped. "
and
"Does this mean the mammoth cells were revived?
“It’s a bit of a far reach to say that they’ve woken up mammoth cells,” Smith says. “What they saw was mostly the [mouse] oocyte trying to do something with that DNA.” In fact, he says, there’s no clear evidence that the mammoth proteins were doing anything at all."

As you can hopefully see, that is a far far different thing, than "They unfroze a baby mammoth that was frozen numerous years ago and it didn't die until about a minute after it unfroze."

[J3archer]

Firstly I would like to inform you that cussing isn't going to make you seem smarter, nor make you point more valid, and if you believe that it is then your point is valid. Secondly I would love to quote an article however it isn't on the internet. I didn't hear it from a dumb news article, I heard it from my science professor as we discussed animals that were frozen and discovered later.

[Belgie]

@J3archer So you ARE someone who prefers to remain ignorant. Got it. I won't bother trying to bring any actual sourced facts to you in the future.

[diamond3]

i think it should be a womens choice

[Asker]

i do agree with you on that

[J3archer]

Yeah, I just can't wait till when I am 18, become a legal citizen of the US of A and get the right to kill another human because I was too irresponsible.

[theacefospades]

I love how you tell us not to think. That's really retarded. Yes let's not think about it. Let's not actually present evidence and logic. That's a great Idea. Let's just make up crap and huddle in the fetal position (This is called irony) hoping nobody smarter than us challenges our beliefs.

AND LET'S ALL PULL OUR NECKTIES TILL IT HURTS!

Turd. Opinion is something that can't be substantiated. When I present evidence my opinion becomes fact (Eventually. I'm simplifying for a turd) Yours becomes dogma.

Stop thinking. That's the best way to improve society. hmp. (note my sarcasm)

[theacefospades]

It's not acceptable. And should never be used. It's murder plain and simple. It's also a modern holocaust.

Fetuses meet all the requirements of life.

If you can kill them when they are unborn where is the cutoff point? can you kill them 30 seconds after they are born? 10? half way out? just before birth? on month before? my point is how can you say. "The fetus is alive and human right...NOW. and before that it's not human and not alive."

The argument has been made that they cannot live on there own. That is entirely irrelevant. Parasites and paralyzed people cannot live on their own. But they are still alive. And, in the case of the latter, still human.

You make the point that pre-mature births will probably die anyway. So what? Everyone dies. That doesn't mean we should kill them now cause they die eventually. The most dangerous thing you can do to yourself is be born. There's a 100% mortality rate.

Should we force terminal cancer patients to kill themselves? Just because they will die later? Of course not. (I don't have any problem with it if they WANT to do it.) Because again where's the cutoff? everyone will die eventually so it's much more efficient if we kill each other now. (iRobot anyone?) The point is illogical and holds no water.

You make an assumption. "that a woman has the right to her own body" I completely agree. A woman should be able to be a prostitute or anything else that she feels like. She should not be raped or anything like that. Her body is HERS and hers alone.

Unfortunately the fetus is not part of her body. From the moment of conception the baby has an entirely unique gene structure and DNA. Including unique fingerprints at 2 weeks. So it is quite obviously not one with the mother.

HIV: so what? if HIV was a good enough reason not to live HIV sufferer would commit suicide. Why don't we give the children the choice over their own Life. It's their first right.

Your funeral story. hmmmm. I can easily see you. You don't have children. You probably don't have younger siblings. You don't understand a parent's love for their children. And how well you know them even before they talk. You don't understand. And I can't enlighten you.

Here's some legislative illogical for you. If a person kills a pregnant woman he is charged with double homicide. This is of course because the woman intended to have the child. And so wanted it. The lesson here is "Your worth and the nature of humanity is decided by whether or not people want you."

I'd like to call a big fat B.S. on that To me. No one carries more humanity then a baby, or and unwanted wino who's barley holding on.

To be human is to hold onto a crack in the wall when everything yells "Let go" To be human is to foolishly reach far beyond what is possible. To destroy you is no loss. We defy defeat. Kill us and we live on in spirit Always against the oppressed one rises up and strikes back. Human's were born to stare down oblivion and against it's eternal "No" shout "YES!

[Asker]

so many assumptions, jesus dude get a grip. abortion is not based on facts, its based on opinion, just because one society places abortion as taboo does not make it wrong. some people have more morals than others, don't rip me a new one for doing nothing wrong but voiceing my opinion, I don't have children because I'm still in highschool, you know nothing about me so stop trying to act like you do. my family adores me, I'm the kid everyone loves. at my job I wash cars and do yard work. yeah GF

[theacefospades]

I don't really care what 2 dollar an hour job you have (and if you rise to that insult this conversation is over) It has nothing to do with societies' views on it. What assumptions? All my arguments are based in scientific fact. Except the last one about what defines humanity. Maybe I assumed that people would rather live with HIV (And BTW AIDS is what kills you HIV is the virus) than die. But maybe not

[Asker]

what is your fact tho? I see all opinion, but then again all facts were formed upon opinions and interpretations of worldly things. dude stfu I have nothing to say to such an ignorant d bag like yourself.

[theacefospades]

you have yet to refute any of my points. There is a scientific definition of life. Unborn fetuses meet it. This is scientific fact. Here are the rules of life TO be alive an organism must: 1) be made of 1 or more cells 2) contain DNA as genetic material 3) respond to stimuli 4) metabolize (take in energy and carbon and make waste) 5)be able to reproduce Source "Biology", 5th edition; Campbell, Mitchell and Reece Now tell me why that's an assumption?

[bersaba]

Let me ask you this. A female has an ectopic pregnancy, and will most likely die unless she has an abortion. Is it OK to have an abortion, or does the mother have to die? In a similar line, a female is stressed because her pregnancy is from incestious rape. She is suicidal. Can she have an abortion, or must she continue, despite her claim she will commit suicide if she can't have an abortion?

[jjjezka91]

if your argument were true, birthdates and times would be a total hoax. that's why the baby doesn't magically pop into the air perfectly formed. because certain things have to happen for it to necessarily be considered a human. a fetus isn't considered a human life until it takes its first breath. until then, technically, its a parasite that needs to feed off something to live. that sounds cruel but its technically the truth. & parasites are not considered human so I don't know why you would even say that.

[theacefospades]

no they wouldn't because they are BIRTHdates. date of Birth. not date of Life.

[brunettebelle]

I am against abortion but I will accept it under extreme conditions. Such as if the baby was going to kill the mom inside the womb or if you were raped... Other wise yes I find it sickening. If you are pregnant for being stupid then it is your fault.

[BlackDawn]

Acceptable