Okay, first of all, what sources are you using? Are they objective? Was the source peer reviewed? How did they arrive at their conclusions?
1. There is no feeling of obligation. If one person wants to do it, and the other person also wants to do it, then that's fine. If one person doesn't want to do it, then there needs to be compromise and patience. You can't force someone to do it when they don't feel like doing it.
2. Both men and women can wash the dishes. I can't be lazy and let a girlfriend or wife do that. If the woman really loves the man, then she will please him, both for herself and for him, not because she wants to make him feel satisfied and then forget about him. Doing housework has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with just doing the chores, so that the responsibilities get done.
3. Just because you're a psychologist does not mean that you are a good one, or that you understand what psychology is about. If someone wants to initiate sex, they should bring it up, and there will be sex if both partners agree to it. Your examples are not logical and you didn't explain it very well. So you say that both men and women don't initiate sex?
4. Men just happen to like to rut everywhere, all the time. They are too full of desire. Women have it too, but they also are emotionally involved. If you're sick, they you shouldn't be having sex. That is just weird, and why do something when you're not in the mood?
5. What? Not all people look at p***. So if a woman looks at lesbian p***, then she likes women, and if she likes non-lesbian p***, she'll get accused of cheating, for looking at guys? If the relationship is healthy and both people care about each other, and are getting what they need, they won't need to resort to watching that. So you're saying that women shouldn't like other women when they watch lesbian P***, but that men like Asians if they're watching Asian p***?
6. Some women are attracted to money, confidence, etc. because they want to ensure that their kids have a good family and house to grow up in. Not all women are like this though. Some women don't care about whether or not the man has power. Love is more important. And of course these things don't have a role to play in sex. But they do have a role to play in enabling the man to be with the woman, and that is a prerequisite to sex.
7. You say that women want to be seduced, and then you talk about men getting seduced, not talking about women at all. Your description doesn't match your topic. And it isn't that sex isn't as important to women as it is to men. It's just that women are emotionally, not just physically, invested.
8. Sex isn't always an accident. Sometimes it just happens, and that just happens to be how it gets worded. It just happened for the guy too. And women are more modest about it. Men can just have sex with so many women, and they treat it like it is an achievement, while women treat it more special, not always, but sometimes.0 1 0 0I don' t see what the first update has to do with anything. You make it sound like you're being accused that women are after power and wealth. Then you try to defend your position. Nobody said that all women are after wealth and power.
1. You act like the solution the other person has is "rape" and therefore it justifies the other persons feeling of obligation. The problem is the feeling of obligation, not the problem of rape. 2." If the woman really loves the man, then she will please him, both for herself and for him, " Yes and this is the problem with the feeling of obligation. 3. 75% of women on the planet don't initiate sex. A very small percentage of men dont.
4. Too full of desire? This is a huge problem with many American males. They feel apologetic about their sexual desires. Its very unbecoming of a man to be that way. Women on the other hand are not comparatively as sexual as men. If they were they would initiate sex more often in marriage. There is no societal hindrance when it comes to having sex with your husband. 5. He never said all women look at p*rn. Not all men do either. So what?
Ok, this makes some sense but let me break this down for you.
I think the title is what's pissing most people off even though the rest of the meat of the article makes some sense.
Im going to argue the points however.
1. Women do like sex, the majority of women on the planet do. They have 8000 nerve endings, most of which are erotogenic. Which means that they are made up to physically enjoy it.
Hard to deny that. Now if they didn't have those nerve endings that are designed to physically enjoy the sensation of sex, THEN you might have something.
2. The obligation thing. I agree with. Although its hard to prove that most women feel obligations to have sex with their partner. I think the ones that do however would have issues with sex obviously.
3. Women don't initiate sex because they want the man to be a man. Its much sexier for a woman to be TAKEN.
Women WANT to be TAKEN, by a man. Its not the feminine role to be the aggressor.
Regardless of what other feminists may say. A lot of feminist rules go out the window when it comes to dating and relationships and especially sex.
4. This is true. BUT Mainly because the man isn't being a man. They don't feel attracted to him and thus she doesn't want to have sex with him. I guarantee you if you followed your masculine energy and lived in line with your purpose she wouldn't find excuses not to "put out".
5. I have to agree with this one. What does it say about female sexuality where they enjoy looking at other naked ladies instead of looking at naked men. I never understood this.
Perhaps it has to do something with the culture on how a woman's body is more revered as "sexy" than a mans is.
So they fall in line with the social narrative like men have and perhaps this influences that behavior.
6. I have to agree. those traits are not gender specific.
7. See argument #3
8. While I agree with this, there are plenty of times I've experienced where I didn't need ANY kind of excuse to have sex with a woman.
I think if you're genuine and she's attracted enough to you, that stuff really doesn't matter.0 1 0 1Yes women do physically enjoy sex, but what this article is talking about is from a comparison. Compared to men they hate it. Some women want to be taken, yes. But the question that the article arises is how do you know someone likes something if they never ask for it or at least attempt to get it themselves?
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LOL! Where did you find this article? It's so ridiculous. It's like they took statistics and twisted it to fit a strange, untrue concept.
Kudos for pointing out its ridiculousness, because I'm sure some guys still think that way (actually many on here do, saying that a girl is a "slut" when she puts out, and the guy "scores" because he works hard for it and she doesn't, as if women are the magical sex gatekeepers who withhold it to be controlling). Sure, women like sex, but they're not going to like it if they feel it's an obligation (e.g. having to do it if she's sick, or really has a bad migraine). A selfish partner is not a sexy partner, and attraction for said partner will die in time.
I think emotionally healthy, non-sociopathic women would care about their men's pleasure. However, I can imagine some women not caring if their partners are very selfish, degrading, verbally/physically abusive, etc. during intimacy. In that case, the women are entitled not to care anymore and leave.
In fact, I read a story in which one girl thought she didn't like sex. Later, it turned out that her then-boyfriend was just really bad at it (selfish, etc.). and it was way better with her second partner. "The more you know," lol.2 3 0 0'A selfish partner is not a sexy partner, and attraction for said partner will die in time.' totally agree there!
Thanks xD
what about the women who feel its an obligation even when they are not physically ill?
I did take the time to read your entire post. I checked at MSNBC (since you mention them at one point) but found nothing there that mentions an article containing the "information" you shared here. I disagree with the 8 reasons you chose to share of the 10 reasons you mentioned in the opening. I find it interesting that your age is listed as 18-24 and you state you are a psychologist. I feel for the women that "come to you" to discuss their relationship problems. Hopefully as you mature, your thoughts about these issues concerning "why in general the majority of women" "don't give a sh*t about MEN" and "don't care about mens feelings". I believe you need to step back and look at your post and possibly reconsider your chosen profession, or at least restrict your patients load to men until your own feelings and issues with women are resolved.
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" I find it interesting that your age is listed as 18-24 and you state you are a psychologist. " I find it interesting that you assume that I wrote the article when the first words are "I read this article today".
Since I didn't write the article your arguments about my being a psychologist are fraudulent. So wrong there.
Next. Oh you DID look at MSNBC? Well you didn't look very hard.
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Wheres the part of women not reaching orgasms from their men?
Women enjoy sex, they just don't enjoy it if its a waste of time to them.
Why doesn't this article state the percentage of women who don't reach orgasms from men?
Where is the percentage of the article that states it can hurt a relationship if you bring up the inadequacy of a partner in bed?
Why doesn't this article state the amount of MEN AND WOMEN on medications for depression and other illnesses/issues that effect their sex drives?
If women hated sex so much they wouldn't cheat, and they wouldn't be swingers.
This article is just dumb.1 1 0 0i only had so much room. I couldn't post anymore. "Wheres the part of women not reaching orgasms from their men?" This has been brought up. But this just shows what my husband said in the article that women actually look at orgasm as "the mans job" Men dont. If sex was as important to women as it was to men, those women wouldn't have said that.
"Women enjoy sex, they just don't enjoy it if its a waste of time to them. " Its almost never a waste of time for men. Compared to women. "Where is the percentage of the article that states it can hurt a relationship if you bring up the inadequacy of a partner in bed? " No, what hurts is not being honest and communicating and working through your problems. "if women hated sex so much they wouldn't cheat, and they wouldn't be swingers. " The majority don't cheat and are not swingers.
It should be a team effort. but If you're having sex, orgasms should be reached MOST of the time. Some men don't last longer than 3 minutes during sex, how are you supposed to reach orgasm that way. You also aren't taking into account the weight and health of everyone. If a woman doesn't get pleasure from having sex why would she want to have it with her partner, if she can get off by doing less work with a vibrator by herself? Your answer doesn't make any sense.
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11 8I'm supposed to believe a WOMAN posted this?
Hey, guess what. I don't. This is another tired post from some tired dude who is tired and makes me tired and this sh*t is so tired.6 3 0 0I'm tired too.
A women posted it, a man wrote it. And I've never denied this.
Well she is sadly mistaken then
troll. Give it a little more thought if you want us to believe you. What are you, 12?
1 0 0 0lmao how dumb are you? I FCKING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE FCKING! I can tell you right now my sex drive is way higher than guys I know.
I think this is a troll question, it has to be.4 2 0 0"reasons why the MAJORITY of women HATE sex"
ok... I stopped reading there...
"This is a very persuasive argument Its full of logical proofs"
Did you even ever had an ORGASM thanks to a man before talking ? ... lol...2 3 0 0Ha!
Lies, all lies! Starting with the title. I really want to find this article to see who it was written by.
1 2 0 0One guess who posted this peace.love.hatred of men. Love all the women telling you how full of sh*t you are. Of course you will never listen though...
0 1 0 1I doubt this is her. And you haven't addressed the topic.
I already addressed this article isn't something I wrote. I'm POSTING it.
damn, obviously written by an angry feminist man hater
0 0 0 0Most of these don't even make sense. They are more about why MEN LOVE sex. Like #4. How does that translate into women hating sex?
0 1 0 0I call bullsh*t without a link.
In fact, I'd call bullsh*t even if there was a link.2 0 0 0'10 reasons why in general the majority of women hate sex.'
Just based on that sentence alone I know this article is full of sh*t. girls DO like sex, they just aren't as vocal about it as men are. Where'd you dig this article from? cosmopolitan?8 3 1 0LOL Cosmo. xD I often wonder how it still has so many readers.
Its from my husbands journal he posted with his other psychologists, whom all agree with his findings. If you would have read further he points out that its relative to men. Men like sex more. He probably should have wrote women like sex as much as eating a ham sandwich.
So a man wrote this, and you agree with him?
Ok, about the p*rn, I primarily watch lesbian p*rn because I am interested in breasts but I am not at all interested in vaginas or kissing girls. Watching doesn't mean I like them. I am Asian and
my lovers have all been Asian males but I don't watch Asian p*rn much.
Also, the importance that Americans give to humor bothers me. I'm not looking for that. I really do not care if anyone makes me laugh. Also, face is way more important than body.0 0 0 0Yes and I'm sure people don't buy paintings that they enjoy looking at.
can you say that in a less obscure way?
I don't think this article is true.
0 0 0 0Well most of it sounds like a load of crap to me! The Majority of Women Hate Sex!? Where did they get their information for God's sake? We don't give a sh*t about men when it comes to sex? Isn't that the other way round mostly?
RATHER DO THE DISHES? WTF?
I don't watch lesbian p*rn EVER!
The only one I'd agree with is that we like to be seduced! But even then, sometimes we just want rough, dirty sex!
It's mostly complete rubbish!0 1 0 0This is wrong.
0 2 0 0..so - you rather do dishes than than have sex?
The rest of points are flickering between making some sense and between "Are you serious?"0 0 0 0I wouldn't. But I'm not most women.
So how apparently none of women here are of that "most"?
Some are. And besides whens the last time you admitted you are a bad person?
QA you come across as really stupid. Most of your arguments don't make a whole lot of sense, you have a lot of non sequitar fallacies in your arguments, not to mention you kept generalizing women. MOST women DON'T hate sex. Actually, most women LIKE sex. It's pretty obvious since we KEEP HAVING IT!
2 1 0 0Prostitutes keep having sex too, does that mean they also enjoy it? Talk about logical fallacy.
some of the higher end prostitutes do enjoy it yes.
Still a logical fallacy to say that all of them do.
There isn't a thing you said that I agree with lol
Damn ha ha who would pick dishes over sex?
Any article with so many terms like "worldwide", "only", and "never" can never be true because people are individuals with individual thoughts, opinions, and feelings1 0 0 0"Any article with so many terms like "worldwide", "only", and "never" can never be true " You realize you are shooting down your own argument here? Its essentially saying this "people who say never can never be true." Well you just said NEVER
WORLDWIDE mathematics has shown that one apple plus one apple is two apples, it has NEVER been proven false, and ONLY the irrational people claim its not. What about that one? I think you need to rethink your argument.
For one thing I only said never once
I could not disagree more with those points.
5 1 0 0So you don't feel sex would ever be an obligation for you? And you initiate sex?
It hasn't ever felt like an obligation to me. If I don't feel like it then he can either wait or take care of it himself, but usually when I'm around him and we're alone I definitely want to do it. I have initiated before and I'd do it again if the situation called for it, though he usually beats me to it. Why does it say you are a woman when you clearly aren't?
Good for you. You aren't the majority of women. Neither am i. Apparently when I wake up in the morning and wash my boobs I must be hallucinating.
Biggest load of crap I've heard in a long time.
6 5 1 0This is a very persuasive argument Its full of logical proofs, evidence, and no opinion. I can see why people agreed.
Who agreed?
There is no way this guy read the whole thing. I wasn't even done posting the whole thing when he said this. I'm positive he read the premise of the argument first. (the first two lines) and figured, BAH its too long I won't read this and made his comment.
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