Thank you for this take. It's good to see more and more women seeing feminism for what it actually is rather than blindly accepting a dictionary definition that bears absolutely no resemblance to what feminism is today.
Wow. Great explanation of what I've been thinking. The present movement is just an insult to the objectives an accomplishments of the original movement.
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I don't think it's ok to slutshame women, but at the same time I do have contempt for third wave feminism.
P. S. I love to make my boyfriend a sandwich. I want him happy. If I hear that he's hungry I run to the kitchen to cook something up ASAP.
i agree with you to an extent. I joined the feminist club at my college ( pretty much only did it to meet women) I went there and people were nice and all however i didn't agree with a lot of things being said. one time i said i didn't think hilary clinton would make a good president (not a trump supporter at all though) and people thought i was a sexist there and i would love to see a female presidnet ( right now i like tammy duckworth and kamela harris both us senators think they would both be amazing presidents) And as someone with aspergers i was appalled at the way they talked about people with aspergers. They started talking about elliot rodgers and they said that people with aspergers always play video games and then go kill people. I couldnt believe it. So i am a feminist but i am against the radicalized third wave feminism
so it sounds like you were into white feminism and not into intersectionality. in that case, I kind of understand your point. But I disagree because it sounds like you didn't actually take the time out to learn about different types of feminism. Just like there are radical, conservative, and moderate democrats and republicans, there are moderate, radical, and conservative feminists.
@googeee but that's the thing, there are so many types and so different that there would be no reason to not identify as a feminist. I felt distant from feminism for a while but I sat down and did my research. anyone can call themselves an astronaut, however that doesn't mean they are one. anyone can call themselves a feminist, however, if what they believe contradicts the basic principles of feminism, then they're not actually a feminist, they're just someone that calls themselves one.
White feminism? I though all women were in this together? There are a lot of non white females into this thing I talked about. As you can see, not all women on the west are white. And also, that is why I put the disclaimer.
your reply shows your ignorance. white feminism isn't referring to the race of women. white feminism is feminism that often avoids excludes poc, women, trans men and women, overweight women, etc. also, a disclaimer doesn't exclude being misinformed or over generalizations.
are you sure? the question is not whether it involves lgbtq+ people, poc, or overweight people it's whether they fight for issues concerning lgbtq+ people, poc, or overweight people. also, you completely overlooked overweight women in your reply.
They really don't fight for those issues. All they do is get naked and protest while whining and doing scandal. Also why should they really? In the west LGBTQ people are not oppressed. Neither are fat people. You don't work your way into oppression. If you can change it you are not oppressed. Besides, what rights do fat people not have that thin people do? Maybe clothes don't fit and don't fit on airplanes, but that is a fat consequence not thin privilege. Im not gonna make this about fat people. I already made a whole mytake about it
so what you're saying is that slavery and segregation aren't oppression simply because it's changed? are you saying suffragettes weren't actually oppressed because they managed to get the right to vote? that's a disgrace to everyone who lived, fought, and died for these issues. Tell that to all the trans women and men who can't even go to the right bathroom. also i commonly here things said like "she's so fat, she's lucky a guy like that would even sleep with her"said women over weight women are sexually assaulted. for a person that doesn't live in the west, you certainly have your mind made up about how the west is. Also, I see why you're not a feminist, it's apparent you don't actually care about women you just care about whether you benefit.
What? Of course they were oppressed. They are just not oppressed anymore, thanks to people in the past who fought for it. I think the real disgrace is to still whine about it and pretend to still be oppressed after all they fought for them. Why not be thankful and take advantage of the rights your ancestors fought for instead? Ok so overweight women get raped. That is sad yes but why you gotta make it a classification? Rape is an issue for everyone. They didn't get raped cause they are fat and society thinks they should get raped, but because there are rapists out there who like to rape and make people suffer. Not an exclusive fat women issue.
yeah you're completely missing the point here, rape is something that is becoming less socially accepted here, and that's wonderful! however, people are less likely to believe victims that are less conventionally attractive. and the point of making this specific classification is to let people, especially young impressionable people, know that how you look doesn't affect your likelihood to get raped and it doesn't make it excusable. also, do you live in the US?
No, I do not live in the US. I don't know if you paid attention to my mytake but I mentioned I don't live in a 1st world country. So no, I don't live in the US. If people are gonna be dicks and not believe an unattractive person that they are raped they are still gonna be like that cause there are mean people out there. But it never happens that the police and the judge dismiss a rape case cause the victim is unattractive. Their job is to take the case look for evidence and if its found then punish the rapist.
brock turner. brock turner is a man that raped a young woman, there were witnesses and everything yet her only served three months in prison. I can tell you're not from the US by how ignorant you are. the US justice system is not that fair, everything isn't safe. the good guy doesn't always get justice and the bad guy doesn't always go to jail. also how dare you tell minorities that they're over reacting. You're just like the white people of the 50's that said to black people "why are you complaining? you should be happy that you're allowed to work in our nice homes and that you're no longer slaves." I've met a lot of ignorant people on here, but I think you take the cake. how can you tell them how their lives are without seeing how they're treated first hand or experiencing it yourself.
also the people on juries are a reflection of society. if people in society think these things about over weight women who are raped, then they're less likely to pick a fair punishment. Lots of people are found guilty of crimes here, because that's what the evidence suggests, however they never serve time or face consequences because the jury decides against it. Hell bill Cosby admitted to raping multiple women and he faced two miss trials, he will not be facing any consequences for raping someone. gosh, you're just so misinformed. I completely understand why you're not a feminist.
First of all, this is why people hate America. I don't. But your behavior that ''I can tell you are ignorant because you don't live in America'' says a lot about you. I know about the Brock turner thing and the Cosby thing. Those guys did not got away with it because they are males but because they are rich and from powerful families. Is unfair yes, but that is a corruption problem, not necesarily a rape culture problem. It happens with murder cases too, and so on. Not only rape. So it is a corruption problem cause they paid for it either with a lot of money or with threatens.
Even so, they are basically over. Brock turner doesn't live happily ever after. He still gets threats and people hate him. It will take a while before a woman will want him. Bill Cosby too, he is frowned upon. Why? because society HATES rapists. No rape culture here.
Im like those white people in the 50's? Exactly, what rights do people of color don't have that white people do?
And I am telling them how their lives are while not living them myself? HAHAHAH honey if someone is doing that is you. You don't know how I have lived my life. You tell me I have no experience in anything and have no knowledge about people of color. News flash: half of my family is middle eastern. I have family in the USA and they are happy there. Why? cause they don't look for racism where there isn't. If we are gonna play the victim here I am the victim here LOL. You are in the USA the superpower country while I am in Russia, which is still considered a 3rd world country, and you are calling me ignorant! Someone call the police! Privileged American is attacking me!
I'm not saying you're ignorant because you're a foreigner, I'm saying you're ignorant because you're ill-informed on the lives of poc in America and because you're ill-informed on the problems with the American justice system. Although Broc Turner and Cosby have money, that's just two examples. How many times do you think they use the length of the girl's skirt or the fact that a girl was drinking to put doubt into the people's mind. it happens very often. Heck, most of the time nothing happens and those rape kits sit on shelves and rot away. In this case, it's not a rights issue, it's a systemic issue. The easiest example is that black people are 2x more likely to go to prison for the exact same crime. which makes sense seeing as how post civil war the US saw the largest surge in black people in prison in which they're made to do labor for mere cents every day. The way our society views POC affects their lives, I wish they were separate but they're not...
oh, your family is okay which means everyone is okay, that's good to hear. it's nice to know that if only a handful of people have never experienced racism or discrimination then no one has. By that logic, there's no problem in Russia just because a handful of people there haven't faced problems. And by that same logic, you can't complain about your problems because there are some people in Bangladesh that have it worse. Throughout history, people try to use the whole "someone has it worse" to silence those who are speaking out about issues. once again, that's that whole logic that white people in the 50's used, it's crazy how similar you are. If someone says you're ignorant then don't just get mad. Instead, try to do some actual research. your reaction to being called ignorant shows your lack of maturity. I know we're the same age, but age and maturity are not synonymous.
I like Roosh V. hahaha well I do think he is way too much with saying women shouldn't go to school though and he can be too extreme but I kind of I like his honesty
Those women you talk about aren't real feminists. My soon to be ex wife is a current activist for women's rights. She just thinks that both men and women should be allowed to express themselves as they like without judgment and of course other rights. You say all these things, but she's a great woman as a wife, a daughter l, even mother to the twins I had from my previous wife before her. Just because someone claims to be a feminist, doesn't mean they are.
Yes, I have heard this excuse plenty of times and I know it is probably true I know a lot of girls who identify as feminists but still are not like this women I described, like your wife. And that is awesome! But that doesn't change the fact that I don't like feminism in general and think its bad. As I said on my post, I know this is a generalization and if you don't identify with it then congrats! this mytake is not about you! (or in this case your wife) :)
I'm personal a feminist and I really liked this. I usually don't go around saying that because will attack without knowing that I don't believe in everything seen on th or social media. I feel like feminism gets a bad name due to that and some women going overboard it makes me not wanna be a feminist but at the end of the day I am because I believe men and women should be equal.
It's fine that they are equal, but feminists push the issue and I know I would never date one, I like to be chivalrous to a women that likes it and is feminine
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Thank you for this take. It's good to see more and more women seeing feminism for what it actually is rather than blindly accepting a dictionary definition that bears absolutely no resemblance to what feminism is today.
thank you!
How do you know that?
I don't know why, I suspected that she was indeed an undercover feminist.
Very good myTake! I hate both 3rd wave feminism and MGTOW. There's so much hatred out there, it makes me sad.
Wow. Great explanation of what I've been thinking. The present movement is just an insult to the objectives an accomplishments of the original movement.
I don't think it's ok to slutshame women, but at the same time I do have contempt for third wave feminism.
P. S. I love to make my boyfriend a sandwich. I want him happy. If I hear that he's hungry I run to the kitchen to cook something up ASAP.
Lady, how dare you womansplain to us all something so simple, calm, logical and rational. What do you think you are? A humanist?
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omg this is the best mytake I have ever read. I agree with it 100%!!!
Thank you!!
So glad to see that there are other women like me out there 👍 Great mytake!
You are mistaking femi-nazism for feminism, please learn the difference:
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that is why I said this is not about all feminists.
It's about femi-nazis, not about feminists at all, you should have named it differently.
i agree with you to an extent. I joined the feminist club at my college ( pretty much only did it to meet women) I went there and people were nice and all however i didn't agree with a lot of things being said. one time i said i didn't think hilary clinton would make a good president (not a trump supporter at all though) and people thought i was a sexist there and i would love to see a female presidnet ( right now i like tammy duckworth and kamela harris both us senators think they would both be amazing presidents) And as someone with aspergers i was appalled at the way they talked about people with aspergers. They started talking about elliot rodgers and they said that people with aspergers always play video games and then go kill people. I couldnt believe it. So i am a feminist but i am against the radicalized third wave feminism
Those are some particularly unattractive women to be "sluts."
Wishful thinking on their part, methinks.
Cracking up over here.
Nice My Take! Third wave feminism is actually second wave feminism on a power trip. The philosophy and the man hating are exactly the same...
right! Thank you!
so it sounds like you were into white feminism and not into intersectionality. in that case, I kind of understand your point. But I disagree because it sounds like you didn't actually take the time out to learn about different types of feminism. Just like there are radical, conservative, and moderate democrats and republicans, there are moderate, radical, and conservative feminists.
She said in general. I'm not the one that gave you a thump down.
@googeee but that's the thing, there are so many types and so different that there would be no reason to not identify as a feminist. I felt distant from feminism for a while but I sat down and did my research. anyone can call themselves an astronaut, however that doesn't mean they are one. anyone can call themselves a feminist, however, if what they believe contradicts the basic principles of feminism, then they're not actually a feminist, they're just someone that calls themselves one.
by the way don't call it white feminist you are just damaging you credibility
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White feminism? I though all women were in this together? There are a lot of non white females into this thing I talked about. As you can see, not all women on the west are white. And also, that is why I put the disclaimer.
your reply shows your ignorance. white feminism isn't referring to the race of women. white feminism is feminism that often avoids excludes poc, women, trans men and women, overweight women, etc.
also, a disclaimer doesn't exclude being misinformed or over generalizations.
The type of feminism I talked about in my mytake is made up of lot of LGTBQ people, and women of color.
are you sure? the question is not whether it involves lgbtq+ people, poc, or overweight people it's whether they fight for issues concerning lgbtq+ people, poc, or overweight people. also, you completely overlooked overweight women in your reply.
They really don't fight for those issues. All they do is get naked and protest while whining and doing scandal. Also why should they really? In the west LGBTQ people are not oppressed. Neither are fat people. You don't work your way into oppression. If you can change it you are not oppressed. Besides, what rights do fat people not have that thin people do? Maybe clothes don't fit and don't fit on airplanes, but that is a fat consequence not thin privilege. Im not gonna make this about fat people. I already made a whole mytake about it
so what you're saying is that slavery and segregation aren't oppression simply because it's changed? are you saying suffragettes weren't actually oppressed because they managed to get the right to vote? that's a disgrace to everyone who lived, fought, and died for these issues. Tell that to all the trans women and men who can't even go to the right bathroom. also i commonly here things said like "she's so fat, she's lucky a guy like that would even sleep with her"said women over weight women are sexually assaulted. for a person that doesn't live in the west, you certainly have your mind made up about how the west is. Also, I see why you're not a feminist, it's apparent you don't actually care about women you just care about whether you benefit.
What? Of course they were oppressed. They are just not oppressed anymore, thanks to people in the past who fought for it. I think the real disgrace is to still whine about it and pretend to still be oppressed after all they fought for them. Why not be thankful and take advantage of the rights your ancestors fought for instead? Ok so overweight women get raped. That is sad yes but why you gotta make it a classification? Rape is an issue for everyone. They didn't get raped cause they are fat and society thinks they should get raped, but because there are rapists out there who like to rape and make people suffer. Not an exclusive fat women issue.
yeah you're completely missing the point here, rape is something that is becoming less socially accepted here, and that's wonderful! however, people are less likely to believe victims that are less conventionally attractive. and the point of making this specific classification is to let people, especially young impressionable people, know that how you look doesn't affect your likelihood to get raped and it doesn't make it excusable. also, do you live in the US?
No, I do not live in the US. I don't know if you paid attention to my mytake but I mentioned I don't live in a 1st world country. So no, I don't live in the US. If people are gonna be dicks and not believe an unattractive person that they are raped they are still gonna be like that cause there are mean people out there. But it never happens that the police and the judge dismiss a rape case cause the victim is unattractive. Their job is to take the case look for evidence and if its found then punish the rapist.
brock turner. brock turner is a man that raped a young woman, there were witnesses and everything yet her only served three months in prison. I can tell you're not from the US by how ignorant you are. the US justice system is not that fair, everything isn't safe. the good guy doesn't always get justice and the bad guy doesn't always go to jail.
also how dare you tell minorities that they're over reacting. You're just like the white people of the 50's that said to black people "why are you complaining? you should be happy that you're allowed to work in our nice homes and that you're no longer slaves." I've met a lot of ignorant people on here, but I think you take the cake. how can you tell them how their lives are without seeing how they're treated first hand or experiencing it yourself.
also the people on juries are a reflection of society. if people in society think these things about over weight women who are raped, then they're less likely to pick a fair punishment. Lots of people are found guilty of crimes here, because that's what the evidence suggests, however they never serve time or face consequences because the jury decides against it.
Hell bill Cosby admitted to raping multiple women and he faced two miss trials, he will not be facing any consequences for raping someone. gosh, you're just so misinformed. I completely understand why you're not a feminist.
First of all, this is why people hate America. I don't. But your behavior that ''I can tell you are ignorant because you don't live in America'' says a lot about you. I know about the Brock turner thing and the Cosby thing. Those guys did not got away with it because they are males but because they are rich and from powerful families. Is unfair yes, but that is a corruption problem, not necesarily a rape culture problem. It happens with murder cases too, and so on. Not only rape. So it is a corruption problem cause they paid for it either with a lot of money or with threatens.
Even so, they are basically over. Brock turner doesn't live happily ever after. He still gets threats and people hate him. It will take a while before a woman will want him. Bill Cosby too, he is frowned upon. Why? because society HATES rapists. No rape culture here.
Im like those white people in the 50's? Exactly, what rights do people of color don't have that white people do?
And I am telling them how their lives are while not living them myself? HAHAHAH honey if someone is doing that is you. You don't know how I have lived my life. You tell me I have no experience in anything and have no knowledge about people of color. News flash: half of my family is middle eastern. I have family in the USA and they are happy there. Why? cause they don't look for racism where there isn't. If we are gonna play the victim here I am the victim here LOL. You are in the USA the superpower country while I am in Russia, which is still considered a 3rd world country, and you are calling me ignorant! Someone call the police! Privileged American is attacking me!
I'm not saying you're ignorant because you're a foreigner, I'm saying you're ignorant because you're ill-informed on the lives of poc in America and because you're ill-informed on the problems with the American justice system.
Although Broc Turner and Cosby have money, that's just two examples. How many times do you think they use the length of the girl's skirt or the fact that a girl was drinking to put doubt into the people's mind. it happens very often. Heck, most of the time nothing happens and those rape kits sit on shelves and rot away.
In this case, it's not a rights issue, it's a systemic issue. The easiest example is that black people are 2x more likely to go to prison for the exact same crime. which makes sense seeing as how post civil war the US saw the largest surge in black people in prison in which they're made to do labor for mere cents every day. The way our society views POC affects their lives, I wish they were separate but they're not...
oh, your family is okay which means everyone is okay, that's good to hear. it's nice to know that if only a handful of people have never experienced racism or discrimination then no one has. By that logic, there's no problem in Russia just because a handful of people there haven't faced problems. And by that same logic, you can't complain about your problems because there are some people in Bangladesh that have it worse. Throughout history, people try to use the whole "someone has it worse" to silence those who are speaking out about issues. once again, that's that whole logic that white people in the 50's used, it's crazy how similar you are.
If someone says you're ignorant then don't just get mad. Instead, try to do some actual research. your reaction to being called ignorant shows your lack of maturity. I know we're the same age, but age and maturity are not synonymous.
That's one hell of a cat fight
Those guys like Roosh_V (on K. O. K.) would love this. Rush Limbaugh too.
I like Roosh V. hahaha well I do think he is way too much with saying women shouldn't go to school though and he can be too extreme but I kind of I like his honesty
Roosh_V sounds honest about being a woman hating asshole. I can't like that.
Those women you talk about aren't real feminists. My soon to be ex wife is a current activist for women's rights. She just thinks that both men and women should be allowed to express themselves as they like without judgment and of course other rights. You say all these things, but she's a great woman as a wife, a daughter l, even mother to the twins I had from my previous wife before her. Just because someone claims to be a feminist, doesn't mean they are.
Yes, I have heard this excuse plenty of times and I know it is probably true I know a lot of girls who identify as feminists but still are not like this women I described, like your wife. And that is awesome! But that doesn't change the fact that I don't like feminism in general and think its bad. As I said on my post, I know this is a generalization and if you don't identify with it then congrats! this mytake is not about you! (or in this case your wife) :)
I'm personal a feminist and I really liked this. I usually don't go around saying that because will attack without knowing that I don't believe in everything seen on th or social media. I feel like feminism gets a bad name due to that and some women going overboard it makes me not wanna be a feminist but at the end of the day I am because I believe men and women should be equal.
Nice mytake... I agree with most of it, accept some of the generalizations of course.. LOL..
Feminism ruined relationships and made it harder for men like me to get a date.
agree but what do you mean men like you?
Because I'm fat, ugly, and have a disability. All women hate me because I'm unattractive. It's not my fault I was born this way.
Oh good God I was worried we'd go another day without another Feminism related post.
You have offered much relief.
lol is this sarcasm
Lol of course.
fair enough
I'm a feminist because I think it's obvious that us girls are still disadvantaged.
Softheaded and softskulled maybe. Not disadvantaged.
It's fine that they are equal, but feminists push the issue and I know I would never date one, I like to be chivalrous to a women that likes it and is feminine