Cops Should be Presumed Corrupt Assholes Until Proven Otherwise

[Waffles731]

Oh boy I'm going to get flak for this take and I know it. I assume cops are on the take, power hungry, racist, and just general bastards until I see them do their jobs. This isn't because I think all cops are evil or that very few would pass the test, for example I know that my towns cops pass with flying colors, the cops of my town have passed and are fine upstanding people. However I do fully believe in this statement.

Cops are handed a Badge, Gun, baton for beating, and handcuffs and a license to use them all. They are handed this by the government.

See this video

As far as Waffles is concerned any cop who tries to stop you filming him is corrupt as all hell.

Or this video right here

The only reason they wanted to search that phone was because they wanted to delete that video. He is using intimidation tactics to get it. Those men and women don't give a fuck about justice. They are power mad assholes with a badge and gun and authority to use both.

Go on youtube and you find countless videos of cops acting like power mad assholes. Here is a maxim that is 100 percent true.

Not all cops are authoritarian power hungry assholes, but Authoritarian power hungry assholes are attracted to positions like Law Enforcement cause it gets them power over others.

There's a reason so many cops are assholes who like power. Because being a cop IS ON OF, IF NOT THE EASIEST WAY to get power over others. You get a badge, a gun, and if you shoot someone in cold blood you find a bunch of conservatives claiming it was justified. Not all cops are corrupt, on the take, power hungry, racist, or general assholes, but enough are that until you see your local police department do their job, you should assume they are.

Now for everyone who will be claiming, what would you do if someone was in your home and tried to kill you? I'm an American, and going to be a private investigator, I'm going to be wearing a gun every workday like most private investigators. I follow the code of Malcolm Reynolds.

Now I fully believe that Violence is a last resort. Another Maxim that is 100 percent true.

The best form of self-defense is avoiding a situation entirely.

But Waffles was raised by two Veterans, and if it really was me or them, well better them than me. So in that situation, well its not like the cops are going to respond in time anyway.

Now I know i'm going to get flak for this take, but this is what I personally believe.

[Valkyrie1]

I met a few pretty nice cops my cousin is one. But we really need to have a third party that can investigate officer related abuse since the prosecutors just don't like to do it since they work with the cops. And a way to ensure bad cops do not get rehired in another state.

[Goochbreaker]

You will get flak, but not from me. From me, you get my everlasting respect. Preach brother

[Funar]

I take great offense at this. Like any profession, there are people who are great at their jobs, and there are the "others." Police, Fire, Medics, Retail Salepeople, and the dude flipping the burgers at McDonalds are not exempt from this.

I'm close to several members of law enforcement between several different branches of service. They are all very loyal individuals who take their job with the utmost of seriousness and honor the badge they earned by hard work, not simply "given." The "bad" cops are very much the exception to the rule, and these individuals I speak of consider them the stain of their profession.

The OP's comments are not only hateful and one of the many problems we have with society today, but also are obviously coming from naivety of what members of law enforcement are really about. These men and women have chosen a profession where their own lives are constantly at risk every time they go to work. Punish the minority of "bad ones," but honor and respect those who wear the badge with honor, duty, and service. You just might need one of them one day.

[Waffles731]

That's the thing if I'm in trouble the cops won't get there on time,
Thankfully I'm going into a profession where you wear a gun

[meowcow]

The problem with "going on Youtube" to find things is that you are intentionally searching for that <1% of bad cops, and so you now have an inflated perception that all cops are bad.

This kind of applies to all things on the internet. For example. the LGBTQ movement probably seems like a big thing in western society... let, LGBTQ people represent less than 1% of the human population. But among 7 billion humans on the planet, the TOTAL number is large, even if they represent a minor fraction of the population. Most of these movements appear much bigger than they actually are. It's usually just a handful of people banging their pots and pans loudly and making more noise than the average joe.

In all my police encounters, they have all been positive. I've had to interact with officers for random drinking and driving checkpoints on a Friday night, when someone broke into my car, when someone broke into my home, when they did a welfare check on a neighbor, when they stopped me for speeding, when my stepday passed away at home... etc... none of the 15 or so police interactions I've had my entire life were negative.

Usually, in cases where a cop is acting poorly, the suspect had committed a crime, or the officer had reasonable expectation that a crime occurred.

[WhereAmI]

Ah, how many cops you know Waffle Boy? There's like a few bad apples in every crowd don't assume the majority of them are bad. Will you run into bad ones? Absolutely.

Will you run into good ones? Absolutely as well and more of them.

[Waffles731]

A couple, I also know the ex police chief, well I've met him, my dad knows him well, he's in the same masonic lodge as my dad

[Blonde401]

I don't like masons @Waffles731 but you don't see me writing takes about how all masons are evil.

[Waffles731]

@Blonde401 not all cops are evil but for reasons of personal safety I personally think that until you see your local or doimg their job its best to assume the worst

[Waffles731]

@Blonde401 and unlike masons conservatives have given cops the greenlight to murder

[WhereAmI]

Wait, what? Greenlight to murder? Where's that coming from Btw? You do know this has been going on long before camera cellphones have been around.
I'm not saying it's acceptable but they are given the right to subdue a perp by almost any means necessary. It's generally up to the perp to prove they used excessive/brutal force in the matter.

[oddwaffle]

You forgot the #1 reason why cops are corrupted: funding.

A large portion of their fundings come from stuff they take from arrested people. They aren't illegal stuff but people couldn't claim those back or just got intimidated.

Cash, cars anything sellable. They auction off those stuff if they go 'unclaimed" and fund over half of their budget.

So there is a strong incentive for police to arrest people and take their stuff. The poor and vulnerable people are more likely to hold valuables and cash and less likely to fight back to reclaim their stuff.

They also have to arrest people to meet a certain quota. It's like saying they are doing their jobs. If they spend the whole month not arresting anyone then the budget committee will think that the police aren't necessary and cut the budget. Gotta create work to make them look useful.

[wilco999]

Jesus what a dangerous point of view.

I used to do a job where I was contracted in to work alongside the police for a few months and they do undoubtedly have ego's and many did join the police force because they want power they never had growing up but to assume they are assholes is pretty pathetic when these people may one day save your life.

I do however live in the UK, maybe if I lived in the US or was from a different background I may feel very different

[TheUglyMonk]

I've never had a bad encounter with a cop before, I salute and respect people who put their lives in danger to provide their families and us a more safe and secure environment to live in.

We only have a little over 7,000 police officers in our province (Alberta) which has a population of 4.146 million people which means we have a little over 170 police officers per 100,000 people. I will not assume they are all bad until proven otherwise, as a matter of fact if I see someone running from the cops I'd help the cops catch him then ask questions later.

[Astoriana]

You must be white then.

[TheUglyMonk]

@Astoriana No I'm not but you are free to believe otherwise.

[Astoriana]

Very surprising, given that Albertans are some of the most racist people I have ever met in my life. I went to a conference in Calgary this fall, and for literally half the seminar my table was bitching about First Nations people and how disgusting and lazy they are. Yeah, real trustworthy.

[TheUglyMonk]

@Astoriana Yea well I'm also not from Calgary. People call us racist, red necks and a bunch of random shit they think might offend us, Aboriginals do face discrimination all over Canada so don't try to pin it down to one Province, one City and one Interaction.

[Astoriana]

Yeah, it’s bad all over the prairies. Worse in Saskatchewan. Remember that ombudsman who heard about some dumb hick shooting at a car full of First Nations kids going “too bad you didn’t kill any!!!”?

Oh, and I used to live in Calgary. I probably know it better than you. Given that it’s actually half-progressive compared to the rest of Alberta, one would imagine that racism is better there.

So why the fuck you lying?

[TheUglyMonk]

@Astoriana Calm your tities ma'am. If you want to believe we are racists then fine, if you don't want to live in Calgary don't, you'll make our lives easier.
Let's say we are racists, what are you gonna do about it?

[Astoriana]

Break the wheel.

[NormaTavish]

In any civilized society anyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty off anything.

There will always be bad examples in any profession but I think on the whole the police are a force for good.

[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

And another one: www.baltimoresun.com/.../...es-20150423-story.html

[jacquesvol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1pJe_Tcdeg

[oksurething]

Hey. You know what? They risk their lives every day so slobs like you can grow up in the great country that is America. I wish our police force was as good as America's. Seriously. Ours aren't even allowed to carry guns because of the soft Liberal government unless they're inspectors or higher.

You're lucky the police is there.
Grow up and get a job.

[Belgie]

I agree. People can make the argument oh it's only a few bad apples, but the fact is that the so-called good cops let the bad ones thrive. They look out for each other and protect each other and more importantly cover up for each other.

So those good cops those people rave about? They are just a different kind of scum.

[beebella]

Cops kinda have a reputation, not just for abusing their power, but for being abusive in general. Not all of them are, of course, but the ones that get caught doing things they know they shouldn't be doing deserve to be punished.

[kaylaS91]

... fair enough. Cops haven't gotten the best track record for themselves in the past few years (largely due to a few bad cases that just so happened to get an insane amount of media).

Lets extend presuming everyone falling into a certain group to be corrupt/assholes until proven otherwise, though. Muslims, for example. How would that logic apply in respect to them? Should we fear that they'll rape/harass/objectify women to no end unless they've proven that they can do otherwise?

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Statements like this are why being an asshole is glorified in our society.

Get it through your thick heads all of you: People with power will NEVER apologize for having said power. They don't care that you think they're "big meanies," nor will they ever care. Without people like them, society of any sort wouldn't function. So keep crying and we'll see how you do when total anarchy hits xD

[Waffles731]

Again, if I'm waiting for a police response it'll br because I shot the guy who tried to kill me, if you wait for the police then your doing it wrong

[Waffles731]

Furthmore anarchy is not equal to chaos, anarchy not the abscense of order, its the abscense of laws, the ideal is order without laws

[TadCurious]

You should get some of the socks Colin Kaepernick wore in practice to further express your feelings:
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[Astoriana]

Agreed.

It would be interesting to see how many have personality disorders.

[Jackblue]

If you assume that than I am going to assume that all liberals are bloodthirsty thugs. Alan Moore and his little V can write what they will, but fear is not the emotion that Governments or populaces should feel, they should feel respect for one another. Oh and Guy Fawkes was a Catholic fanatic not an anarchist.

[Waffles731]

Alan moore is aware as well as I that guy Fawkes was a catholic terrorist who tried to blow up the house of lords not an Anarchist he was chosen for a couple of reasons V is a vigilante terrorist who is trying to bring down the ruling norsefire party and their fascist government

[Waffles731]

Now notice the similarities to their missions, they are both trying to bring down and kill the rulers of England.
Now V is also very clearly a mass murderer but he is also nowhere near as evil as the Norsefire party

[Waffles731]

Now Guy Fawkes was a terrorist whose mission was to blow up the house of lords and put an end to the rampant anti-catholic policies that England was under.
And to be frank the death of the entire house of lords and the death of king James wouldn't have been a bad thing

[Waffles731]

The other reason that he used guy Fawkes is that love him or hate him you can't deny his face looks cool as a mask

[Waffles731]

Now the idea that a government should be afraid of its people not the other way around is not a new idea in this country. The founding fathers fully believed in the idea that the citizens of a country should, be the ones with the power
A government that is afraid of its people will do right by its people if only because they know that the repercussions for not serving its people are severe

[1derfulguy]

I don't know. Generally it is a bad tactic to go through life assuming the worst about others. The optimal strategy is to be friendly to everyone initially, and after that to copy what they do. So if you're friendly and they're a jerk, be a jerk right back. But never up the ante. Always respond in kind. And 1 time out of 10, let it pass. This is called "generous tit-for-tat".

[Blonde401]

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

You obviously haven’t met me 🤭💩🚫

[Blonde401]

@Other_Tommy_Wiseau pics or it didn't happen 😉

[Waffles731]

okay, there is a rather extreme surgery where a person is literally cut in half above the waist, its a last resort kind of surgery and its only been done a handful of times,
but that would leave a person with no asshole

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Swiggity swooty you can’t see mug booty 🤷‍♂️

[Blonde401]

Extremely rare for the the happen. Almost everyone who has their lower torso cut off will die because you're missing vital organs.

[Redstang88]

That’s fucking bullshit

The vast majority of police officers are good people doing the best they can at a thankless job.
Half the time people go around claiming abuse or harassment of whatever bullshit, they are acting well within the law.

[Waffles731]

Thankless. What society are you living in, in mine cops are basically considered such paragons of humanity by conservatives that they will justify them committing cold blooded murder

[Redstang88]

First, again that’s bulshit. Most people tolerate them but that’s about it

Second, there is zero satisfaction. You never accomplish anything, the justice system is a revolving door. And nobody is ever happy to see you, you get yelled at, kicked, punched, spit on, stabbed and shot at for doing your job.
About as thankless as it gets

[zagor]

If you think it's bad here, go to Mexico. Then you'll see what a bad cop really is.

[madhatters4]

seriously. i was on vacation in mexico, a very peaceful part of mexico staying at a friends house north of cabo. the cops showed up at about 10:30pm one night and tapped on the gate. my friend went out had about a 20 minute convo he handed them money and they drove off.

he's said it's just the weekly shake down. they don't police the area unless you give them money... basically a government run mafia in parts

[Waffles731]

@madhatters4 there are parts of the country that were like that as recently as 20 years ago, specifically dry counties, the cops only broke down stills whose owners didn't pay protection

[zagor]

Accepting an occasional payoff, as the NYC cops were notorious for years back, is one thing. Actually committing crimes on a regular basis is another.

Yes, I know there were NYC cops who moonlighted as hitmen for the mob but they were more exceptions than the rule.

[Waffles731]

You know the movie walking tall? Well the real story of buford pusser was that he was your standard corrupt sheriff, hell the famous killing of his wife, the FBI thinks he had a a hand in that

[Waffles731]

Anywhere there's a dry county, you find police corruption, with the sole exception of northern alaska