A Male View of "The Superwoman Fallacy or Why Women Nowadays Are More Oppressed Than Ever"

Here is the male response to the conversation created by @cherryphi82

https://www.girlsaskguys.com/social-relationships/a51881-the-superwoman-fallacy-or-why-women-nowadays-are-more-oppressed-than

Let’s take apart this fallacy of a take, shall we?

There is no book to point you too, just society since the dawn of humans. There has been in essence numerous demands that men have always had to fulfill:


The first demand asks males to be good at all of the traditional male stuff. In other words, no, males aren't riddled with petty nonsense like just being expected to "look good" or "be nice", (as well as all the other non-things like "excelling at empathy, cooperation, and relationship building." which are basic human characteristics.) We are too busy being disposable for the sake of female happiness and comfort.

Men have ALWAYS sacrificed their LIFE for the sake of women. We do the deadly jobs, put their lives second in crisis, work longer hours, sacrifice our social lives, friends and family to become successful so we can be "good enough" for a female to see us as worthy. Men have ALWAYS been trained from birth to put women first and sacrifice themselves and we get the reward of "honor" or a monument in our name while women live their lives in comfort.

A Male View of "The Superwoman Fallacy or Why Women Nowadays Are More Oppressed Than Ever"

We are expected to do ACTUAL work which is why male life expectancy is so much shorter than womens. We don't have to make up foolish social justice nonsense words like "emotional labor" to pretend we have undo hardship, history will easily show that men's lives are used as pawns to make women's lives comfortable.

A Male View of "The Superwoman Fallacy or Why Women Nowadays Are More Oppressed Than Ever"

Current society and social standards not only demand that males do ALL the deadly backbreaking work, work longer hours, take fewer vacations and time off, but we also need to then do half of the traditional "girl" stuff or be attacked and shamed for not being a "good man".

In the developed world, women’s options have broadened to a degree where they can choose to be and do almost anything they want (thanks to lowered standards and enforced quotas) but since they are no longer confined to only one role, one place, and one purpose, like motherhood and homemaking, they now expect men to carry half the load of the traditional girl stuff after they come home from the harder job, longer hours, and doing *traditional guys stuff. (*Putting his life last to protect his family.)

https://aerbook.com/books/All_In-10867-135781.html


The masculine expectation includes a fierce sense of competition in three areas: the professional, the academic and the athletic arena. You can't just get there on quotas and lowered standards. It's how men have had to struggle since the dawn of man. But with the new age of affirmative action, men now have more of a struggle where the professional world takes gender into account 1st then qualifications. The school system teaches a female-centric curriculum, marks boys harder, treats maleness as a disease, and see's boys as broken girls. Which makes education and work more of an uphill battle than it already was, while putting less competent people in the roles to fill SJ expectations.

A Male View of "The Superwoman Fallacy or Why Women Nowadays Are More Oppressed Than Ever"

Having high ambitions and the drive to achieve them are fulfilling and worthy qualities. But it has nothing to do with men practicing them for years and women not, It's simply that women are just DIFFERENT than men physically and emotionally and therefore the standards get lowered to appease the social justice nutjobs because, without them, women can't get there. Which lowers the standard of any employment that uses affirmative action to fill roles.

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If it's more difficult for women when they are expected to fulfill both demands of work and home life at the same time, imagine how hard it must be to be expected to put your life last in an effort to be a good provider, protector, partner, and parent. When you're giving up your health and your life are paramount when it comes to your value as a human.

The third demand, which says women should be sexy, thin/fit, pretty, clean shaven, have a great boyfriend/partner and kids and be wildly successful in one’s career, is the SAME demand that tells men he must be handsome, wealthy, successful, fit, clean, strong, a protector, provider, chilverous yet "equal", etc.

A Male View of "The Superwoman Fallacy or Why Women Nowadays Are More Oppressed Than Ever"

It’s not hard to understand why male suicide rates are epidemic. Being competitive necessitates a certain level of ruthlessness and disregard for the needs of others. But according to women, if a man isn't both aggressive and ruthless as well as kind and loving, we are not worthy. If he doesn't provide, he is worthless, if he isn't a protector he is worthless, if he isn't a good lover her is worthless, etc.


Men have ALWAYS been given the message that anything less than the absolute best counts as failure. The question we need to ask is who has always profited from the deaths and hard work of men? Hint, it isn't the men.


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  • I must have hit a spot! Thanks for taking my take as an inspiration.

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    • Must have hit a synoptic nerve for you to respond.

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    • @Bananaman177 Lol, thanks for MHO ;)

    • My bad! That was directed at the MyTake owner.

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  • ". But with the new age of affirmative action, men now have more of a struggle where the professional world takes gender into account 1st then qualifications. The school system teaches a female-centric curriculum, marks boys harder, treats maleness as a disease, and see's boys as broken girls. Which makes education and work more of an uphill battle than it already was, while putting less competent people in the roles to fill SJ expectations."

    Do you have any links to justify this? Particularly about the school system.

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    • You should've done your own homework.

    • Nice try but I have provided the links and proper break down for you, your inability to understand or accept that isn't on me.

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  • "men are expected to take backbreaking jobs, which is why male life expectancy is so much shorter than womens"

    It's actually not. Studies show that males have higher mortality rates at every stage of life, even in the WOMB, and that this is true for all animal species. Do you think fetuses and toddlers and little boys have higher mortality rates because of difficult jobs? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119278/

    And no men aren't pressured to be handsome. Most women report pressure to be attractive, most men don't. This is supported by the fact that women are 10 times more likely to get plastic surgery etc.
    www.pewsocialtrends.org/.../

    Another note, most men DON'T do the hard/backbreaking jobs you're mentioning. Most men aren't construction workers etc. So yes, most men DO benefit from the labor of a minority of men.

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    • a woman says there is no pressure on men to be hot so it must be true. a woman says men don't do the majority of labor intensive jobs so it must be true. you are an imbecile.

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    • Seriously... you can't honestly be that dense.
      Construction and manual labor jobs are one of the most common jobs.
      "most" men are not working in safe offices like feminist think they are, safe from the elements and dangers. Which is why 99% of all work deaths are male. They aren't dying by papercut.
      The MAJORITY of the male workforce are in jobs that are dangerous. Yes, there are some men in office jobs, that is a much smaller percent. But the world works because men fill all the deadly jobs which there are MANY. Oil rigs for ALL oil based products including your makeup. mines, construction, skyscraper work including window cleaning and ANYTHING very high up, electrical plants, sewage plants (plants in general), road repair, electrician, welding, mechanic, the list is infinite. If the job is dangerous... it's almost guaranteed that it's a male doing it and NOT because women "can't"... it's because women "don't want to".

    • you literally posted a study asking for women's OPINIONS on the pressures men and women face lol. you just don't get it lady.
      women lie to save face, do I need to find some dumb study on the internet and link you to it so you believe it? Women valuing HONESTY in men over looks and financial success? give me a break.
      I'd be embarrassed to be a woman at this point. Yes... I value honesty over financial success and looks. Most dishonest shit i've ever read

  • I actually agree with most of what you wrote. I think that life has opened up for girls and has gotten more restrictive for men, if anything. Guys have to be everything they've always been, strong, masculine, serious, etc, plus they also have to learn to deal with the changes in women. So, it's like, be a real man, but not too much of a man. It's a mess.

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  • After reading both takes, I've kind of come so the conclusion that my opinion lies somewhere in between the middle. In some aspects I do agree with Cherry, womens lives have always been and may always be more complicated and defined within much smaller boundaries than men's have. For better or worse we are kind of in a position where we do have to embody a multitude of aspects and always have this very difficult balancing act. Despite agreeing with the first take to an extent you do point out some flaws in her argument. The major issue is that whilst Cherry was present and future orientated, yours is seemingly cemented in the past. The truth is yes, the large majority of dangerous jobs undertaken are by men but your average man is doing effectively the same thing as your average woman, the same benign, office work. The idea that women expect men to undertake half of the "girly stuff" is not exactly a big deal, considering that it's beneficial for a relationship but the truth is this is just not happening. Women still do take up the majority of the housework and childrearing, even as full-time workers. The other flaw in your argument is
    that the whole "work longer hours, take fewer vacations and time off". This isn't just women being irresponsible and not wanting to work it's because they can't, they have to undertake part - time because they have to manage a household and family. If you have a look at childless women, especially young women actually make just as much money and rises in status as their male counterparts.

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    • The claim that women do the majority of housework cannot be properly quantified. There are too many variables to consider and the only representative statistics come from vague female based media reports. Just like with "wage gap", the amount of housework each person does would require a break down of who works more outside the house, who has a more exhaustive job, who works longer hours, etc. You can't take ALL male housework vs all female housework and come to the conclusion that women do more than men. Of course they do overall. But men on average work longer hours, harder jobs, etc. Therefore women are more often home, this skews the numbers. If a fair household, generally males and female balance out the level of work comparative to other factors.

      I never said women working less hour or taking more time off was them being irresponsible or not wanting to work. Women want to balance work vs family more than men.

  • Well raising kids is anything but "living in comfort" unless you are rich. And as a woman, you lose any value you had pretty much as soon as you start looking old. No one is less valued than an old hag, which is why they are usually so bitter. You made this point by posting women as playmates. Only valued for your looks is a very bad thing as well.

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    • Really? Then why are so many men still married to those same "old hags". if they are perceived as valueless? No, the reality is that women, who initiate the large majority of divorces, are rejecting men, once the value they perceive in them is either gone or guaranteed.

  • Lol is this a competition in who is a better victim? Why did you even bother writing a response to that post? I just brushed it off as nonsense lol.

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  • What may have been a good take has sadly been compromised by your bitterness.

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    • What bitterness are you referring to ?

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    • You seem to #meetoo...

    • By the way , you pretty much sums up my own opinion on this question... the more I think about it...

  • Thanks for the take.

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  • The question we need to ask is who has always profited from the deaths and hard work of men? Hint, it isn't the men. It isn't the women either. It's the children.

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    • It IS the women, though. Their benefit is both real and immediate.

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    • I think it's because women don't want that comfort only for their personal benefit, but they want it because ultimately they are responsible for other lives, that is their children's well being, and everybody who has or wants children knows that we all want the very best for our children and we want to have as much resources as we can and be as strong as we can for their sake.

    • So they want it to be able to pass it on to their children.
      It's like on a plane they tell you to put the oxygen mask on yourself first, then on your children. Because if you are not breathing and you die, your children have a zero chance of survival. But if you stay alive, there's a good chance you can find a way to save your children.

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  • I would also like to add that during times of war especially, the government CAN draft males to fight for the war. Men are more suited for these dangerous jobs than women. However, women are more suited to do jobs that require a more delicate touch, such as raising children. Women are more likely to win custody battles.

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  • I don't what's worse, your take, you being anonymous, or the fact that 11 men upvoted you.

    There are a couple of points you make that are valid. Men have always had "masculine" roles. Surely, we all know the phrase in a disaster, "women and children first"! Men fight wars, do the hard labor, etc.

    The weirdest thing about this part of your take is that you don't acknowledge that men are the ones who established these rules. It is funny, you blame women for the rules created by men. And rules that I am quite sure you have fought to keep in place.

    We are men, it is hardly logical to blame women for our want or need to run into each around 35 miles per hour on the football field. It is rather nonsensical to blame women for beating the crap out of each other in the boxing ring.

    We choose careers that give us the resources to provide for a family. That was our role and in many ways still is. You make it seem as though you would like to be a housewife but are prevented. The truth is most men do not want to switch roles with women. Though I have met some that do. I have met men who stay home, take care of children, and watch soap operas.

    That isn't my cup of tea.

    But the most offensive part of your take is this concept of lowering of standards. That of course, is just wicked fiction. If you are the best for the job, you should get it. The truth is that men never had to compete with women for many jobs. It was just assumed that women did not have the physical or mental talents to perform, so they were ruled out.

    One of the weirdest things about the anti-PC crowd is that they want to defend sexist assumptions. They actually do not want a level playing field where people have to compete with each other directly.

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    • Don't know about the U. S but at least in my country, lowered standards for women is a fact, though unlike in the U. S there is no quota system. But for example, for my job, women have lowered physical requirements compared to men. They need to do less push-ups, run for less in a period of 12 minutes and such to gain the same amount of "points" that play heavily whether or not you are chosen for the job. And this is not just for the military, who I work for, this is exactly the same for private security, police, search and rescue and firefighters and their respective schools. And that fact is freely given to everyone who either gets to the interview stage of the job application or applies to a school that trains for the mentioned professions.

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    • As for the UK, dude, I am an American. We have no such issues and I doubt that half our police officers could pass a fitness test in the UK.

      Haha!

      orangejuiceblog.com/.../santa-ana-cops.jpg

    • Even an out of shape male cop would be stronger than an in shape female.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SrfEtLDZY

  • The woman you're replying to is a bit of a nutcase judging from her other takes and questions. To say that women nowadays are more oppressed than ever is just crazy talk. Those kinds of people will always find something to complain about and will twist everything they can in order to portray themselves as victims.

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    • You're right she is a nut case and including many of her fem buddies.

  • Well, a woman living in a western country has got more opportunities and options than any other women in the history of the world.

    Part of the reason women have such opportunities is that men have sort of tamed the world, so to speak.

    They can go to school and have office jobs and careers in greater numbers because men have farmed and supplied the western countries with plenty of food, men created and designed internal combustion engines and tractors to till the land and trucks to transport the food, they build roads to transport food across the country, the man fishing boats in the treacherous oceans to get fish to eat, they build houses, cities, they build and man electrical grids and power stations to power society, they design and build factories to make all of these vehicles, they designed and created the refrigerators to store our food, build and maintain the plumbing systems to have running water and plumbing in our houses and buildings, they man oil rigs and search and discover the energy sources that power our lives, they designed computers and the computer programs that allow people to work from offices, they designed and build the air conditioning systems that cool our homes and buildings that allow many to have comfortable jobs sitting at desks, they build the ships and design and build the aircraft we use to get around this world, they make most of the medical discoveries that keep people living longer including contraception that allow women to do other things and not get pregnant.

    This "tamed" world didn't exist in prior centuries to where women in droves could forgo getting pregnant and go to Universities at $40,000-$50,000 per year tuition rates to gripe, complain and protest at how horrible times are for women in the western countries.

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    • To be fair though contraceptives were already in use during the classical period and the earliest mentions of even somewhat effective uses of contraceptives are from 1850 B. C. Granted it's never been as effective and safe as it is today.

  • Modern western women have all the rights and privileges as men (even more so) but with none of the responsibility/accountability attached, all while holding onto their female perks. In short, women want to have their cake and eat it too. Unfortunately, most people (especially women) are oblivious to the fact that the entire legal system is in favor of women, and men are the ones who are actually oppressed.

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  • When the sex bots come, it will cause a permanent rift between the sexes and greatly shift the dynamic to a more neutral point

    Then, equality will truly exist as Every man will be satisfied without the need for female companionship and be free to choose their fate other than what is dictated by the society

    Just like feminists say they don't need men, their dream will come true...

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    • The hilarious part of it is that without men, the feminist would be living in grass huts surrounded by their own feces (if they were even still alive at all.) Men are the reason society had advanced and why they have been able to live how they do.

    • For your sake I hope that is true. But no sex bot will ever compete with the real thing and if it does it will be astronomically expensive. Best to keep these fantasies to yourself ;)

  • In some aspects I do agree with Cherry, womens lives have always been and may always be more complicated and defined within much smaller boundaries than men's have. For better or worse we are kind of in a position where we do have to embody a multitude of aspects and always have this very difficult balancing act. Despite agreeing with the first take to an extent you do point out some flaws in her argument.

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  • I agree for the most part. Though, it does come off as a little bitter and resentful, which I feel neither of those things. Other than that, good take.

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    • That's generally the reaction people have when someone points out the truth.

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    • Yeah, if you point the truth out in a bitter and resentful manner, then it does elicit that sort of reaction. In some parts, it sounds like you bear some sort of ill will towards women over all this shit when in actuality, society as a whole is to blame.

    • @bubble_tea Actually NO. You assume I am suggesting women "tell us" to go into the military.
      That is like feminist saying "women don't go into the sciences because of "patriarchy"... it's hilarious and stupid.
      I believe I started my take with;
      "There is no book to point you too, just society since the dawn of humans."
      Reading is the key to proper understanding.

  • It's. baffling how society is already depreciating men as early as kindergarten and supports and prefers females throughout the whole life cycle but people still say women have it worse.

    Women don't have it harder than men. They just prefer other things than men. If they want the same things men want, they have it way easier than men nowadays but in return men don't have it any easier than ever if they make rather feminine live choices.

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  • Male checklist
    Nice - check
    Sensitive- check
    Attractive - hmm
    $$ - what if I don't care about being wealthy
    Confident- sometimes?
    Charmer - not enough experience
    Humorous - I have my own sense, does that count?
    Built - fml

    *rips up paper. Fuck it I'm getting a cat.

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  • These are very good points, and should be taken into account when it comes to analyzing the circumstances surrounding dating, especially what makes a man "dateable".

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  • "Don't you know this is invalid because you are a man?"

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  • Just check the statistics.
    Men dies more in wars, in work accidents, suicides, they're more touched by homelessness, depression, while not benefiting from quotas and low standards. They do all the hard, dangerous and dirty jobs, in whch feminists never ask for equality. Also, in case of a divorce, they're almost exclusively the ones who lose the children and have to pay an alimony. Here too, feminists never ask for equality.
    In society, they have to look strong, emotionless, be better than other men, be successful, be rich, be attractive. In dating, they have much less possibilities than women, and are shamed if they dare to be picky.

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  • I agree with your points.
    But I don't expect a civil war.
    I heard, they work on female robots, over in Japan?

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  • You two... Both takes reveals a character of themself. A women who thinks women are better and smarter and more special in society and the world alike , and a man who struggles with the thought that all of mankind's achievements have somehow been overlooked with disregard towards men in general. Well , several valid points in each take. Although , women have always been deceiving , discontented , disloyal , dissatisfied , in disregard of , disinterested , distasefull , disobedient , deceptive and demeaning to men in general since the dawn of mankind... and so has a lot men towards women. ... By design , men and women aren't supposed to disengage away from each other. We're both given strength to build accordingly, not strength to destroy appathetically. Men I'm afraid have lost a lot of their leadership skills , and women have most definitely and disobediently have marched against morality and kindness from them is almost extinct.

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  • I get the feeling that one of these days there is going to actually be a battle of the sexes. Except, the way things stand now, I'd say that 10% of the male population will stand on the women side and an unknown percentage will stand on the men side.

    Then you'll probably have at least 20% of men and women sitting on the sidelines hanging out together. Chatting and eating popcorn while everyone one else beats each other to a bloody pulp. Those sitting on the sideline will then be the new equality taking us into the future, that finally brings us out of all this bullshit.

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  • Why can't I like this incredibly well written take twice?

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  • Exceptional take, also agree

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  • Great take thanks

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  • this makes way more sense than the original post

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