Why It's a Good Thing That Hillary Clinton Didn't Become President, Nor Should She Ever

[Anonymous]

Here we go… bring on the haters…

Let’s start with the facts. Hillary has been First Lady, New York Senator, Secretary of State, and presidential candidate.

All prestigious and respected positions

And what has she accomplished in those positions? While a Senator, she cosponsored 31 pieces of legislation, 33 Senate resolutions, and 21 concurrent resolutions. Fourteen resolutions were passed and three laws came into effect with her name on them.

But, during those eight years in the NY Senate, Clinton missed roll call nearly one in 10 times. Her 9.5% is significantly higher than the 2% median of the Senate. Those stats may not look to bad, but if you missed work one out of every 10 days you were supposed to be there, chances are you wouldn’t have a job.

Just saying

As Secretary of State, she really didn’t do much in the whole scheme of things. There were no major diplomatic breakthroughs during her time as Secretary and the big international issues (Iran, North Korea, etc) that were there at the start of her tenure, where still there at the end of it, too.

But doing a shitty job at work doesn’t make you a terrible person, so let’s move on.

Beyond getting a government paycheck for 13 years for not doing much, Hillary has a whole list of deplorable actions and scandals.

There’s the whole private server thing.

The missing emails.

Whitewater.

Benghazi.

Lying to Congress.

The Clinton Foundation and its constant conflicts of interest and pay-to-play fiascos.

There’s blatant special treatment (everyone remembers Huma Abedin).

And that’s not even taking into consideration the other drama and conspiracies that surround the Clinton name (Travelgate, Troopergate, and on and on).

And then there’s the fact that she’s untrustworthy and completely stuck up. Don’t believe me? Watch Hillary in action. She talks down to people. She constantly smirks, likes she’s just knows she’s so much smarter than everyone else out there, especially those of us in Middle America, who are working our asses off to make ends meets, provide for our families, and pay the very taxes that make up her paycheck.

You’d think she’d appreciate us blue-collar workers, the backbone of America, but nawh, she thinks we’re losers. And, because she has no couth, she has absolutely no trouble saying it either.

And then, to top it all off, the woman is hypocritical af. Just this week, she denied that her husband engaged in abuse of power when he had sexual relations with his intern.

Now, I’m not a fan of #metoo and #believewomen, but I know abuse of power when I see it. Anytime a boss, man or woman, engages in sexual activity with a subordinate, it’s abuse of power. No question asked. It’s in every management 101 sexual harassment training I’ve ever taken, and I’ve taken my fair share.

So when the president of the fucking country screws around with a 22-year old intern, um… yeah. Power abuse.

So… Is Hillary Clinton the worst person to walk to the planet? No, she’s not. There were worse. Attila the Hun. Genghis Khan. Nero.

But Hillary still gets lots of praise, especially from brainless women who think she would be a good candidate because she`s a woman, and when I hear people talk about what a good person she is, what a good woman, it makes me cringe.

She is not a good person. And, in mho, she’s rather terrible. Make that deplorable.

But that’s just my .02.

[Anonymous]

There is one very good reason Hillary should have been president. Trump. With all her faults, she would have been a much better president that Trump has been. Trump is so bad, we have to have posts like this, making us think Trump was a good choice, because the person running against him was supposedly so bad. Any your parting comment is, "she's a rather terrible person. Make that deplorable." What on earth do you think Trump is, but a very terrible person, and exceedingly deplorable. Or do do you think a compulsive lying, malignant narcissist, is a good person? Actually, that is what a lot of Republicans try to believe, in order to support Trump. Many other Republicans turn their back on reality, and believe Trump is a good person, but the media makes him look bad. Wake up. It's not the media that makes Trump look bad. It's Trump himself that makes him look bad. Just listen to him. You don't need any media person making Trump look bad, he does it all by himself.

[DesertCreature]

Because not looking bad is important.

[Opinion Owner]

@DesertCreature : Trump sure failed in that department.

[normalice]

sadly, it's not your $.02. It's someone else's. There were a lot of fake scandals trump promised to have her in jail for, which of course he didn't because they were fake.

The fact that you believe any of them is telling in regards to your lack of objectivity here. Any liberal could have just as easily written a "why it's a good thing trump didn't become president" if the popular vote were counted, instead of the electoral college.

Of course, who would have predicted kids in cages, eh? Wild stuff. There's just so many scandals, that conservatives have no intention of holding trump accountable for, no one can keep up. I guess that's what conservatives wanted when they voted for trump, though - he was their monkey wrench to throw into the machine. The media struggles so hard at covering all his incompetencies that they don't have time to cover the swindling.

He is a businessman, and you are not his business partner. You are his product.

[Pink2000]

Preach

[sonnysunshine]

That “kids in cages” picture was complete bullshit and you all swallowed it whole.

[sonnysunshine]

www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/

[DesertCreature]

The popular vote was counted but it's not the deciding tally. I'd think a 38 year old would know that and why the EC is there. Guess we're both wrong eh?

[sonnysunshine]

@DesertCreature when you call poor working class white guys who got screwed over big time in the 2008 recession “bigots, homophobes, racists, deplorables and sexists” who need to “check their privelege” than don’t be surprised when Michigan and Pennsylvania went red in 2016.

[normalice]

@sonnysunshine one photo was bullshit, probably taken on purpose in an effort to discredit the whole thing. I live twenty miles from a camp. Don't tell me it's bullshit, and stop acting like a sheltered idiot.

[normalice]

@DesertCreature Yes, the EC was put in place while slavery was a thing such that the sparsely populated (slave) states could have better representation when electing presidents. That's not an excuse you should be particularly quick to use, considering the right's long history of "tolerating" racism.

[goaded]

Even if you're stupid enough to be his business partner, you're probably going to get screwed.

[sonnysunshine]

Give me a link to ONE legitimate photo. The one I discredited was one of the most popular ones liberals were circulating

[sonnysunshine]

As for “sheltered idiot” I’ve spent lots of time in Mexico (Tijuana and Ensenada) and I’m not naive about the bullshit that goes in down there

[normalice]

@sonnysunshine no, that's the most popular one that conservatives were circulating, saying it was the one liberals were circulating. That's how misinformation works. I'd never seen the photo before a conservative showed it to me. Anyway, let's pretend I drove 20 miles to snap a photo to show you. What then? Would you say "oh my god! I can't believe that's really happening. Let's do something about it!" Or would you just say "na, that's not real" and withdraw further into your shelter. My guess is the latter, which is why I'm not going to bother (plus, gas is expensive).

And I didn't say you were a sheltered idiot. I said you were acting like one. You still are, in fact. Although, I suppose it's difficult to be a conservative while not acting like one, so..

[DesertCreature]

"considering the right's long history of "tolerating" racism."
This threads getting out of control but I can't resist a reply to your ridiculous claim. The party you're banner-carrying for voted against the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to the Constitution. That party's base seeded the KKK, it also has the dubious distinction of being the only one to showcase a hate film in the White House. So hats off to the Democratic Party for not only creating and support hate ideals but then denying it and trying to claim they're the guardians against it while using them as preemptive weapons to shut down dissent. You know kind of like how they do with women and the whole meToo movement.

[normalice]

@DesertCreature I said "the right". Not "the republicans". Don't act like you weren't aware the two parties essentially swapped ideologies some time around the late 50's. Any quote or statement of policy from any republican before that time would make it clear enough.

Of course, I presume that you actually paid any attention at all to history. Which, since you are a conservative, I guess that was kind of naive of me. So, if you want to see the shock of your life, go ahead and google Eisenhower quotes. A republican. A liberal republican! Prepare to have your mind blown! Indeed, after that, consider how the two parties could swap ideologies today. Seems almost impossible, right?

[DesertCreature]

The binary thought that plagues the extreme is amusing; I'm a centrist libertarian.

[normalice]

@DesertCreature libertarian is just a fancy word for republican, these days. Anyway, whatever you are, it doesn't excuse your ignorance, nor your attempt to make a point based on that ignorance.

[DesertCreature]

Of course it is, you extremer's got it all figured out. This is why your party controls the...

[normalice]

@DesertCreature in fact, I used to be a libertarian, until I got a job and realized businessmen aren't the benevolent heroes they are depicted as on tv. Reality is probably the best cure for libertarians. Much as it is for republicans.

[Anonymous]

She voted for the Iraq War.. She helped massacre hundreds of thousands of the innocent brown people liberals claim to care so much about. But Trump made lewd comments about some bimbos. So they voted for her.

[markscott]

Anon: You forgot to mention, that part of the reason Hillary, and others, voted for the Iraqi war, was because Bush and his buddies lied about the weapons of mass destruction. What we didn't know then, but know now, is that the Bush administration cherry picked information that made it look like there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We also know now, that Joe Wilson fully determined that the aluminum tubes were not capable to nuclear use, but the Bush administration again, cherry picked, and lied, saying they had nuclear uses. Same goes with the uranium material. It was Bush administration lies and breeches of trust, that let to the vote for war with Iraq. And of course, there were no appreciable amounts of mass destructive materials in Iraq, because there were none. Hillary voted on lies supplied by the Bush administration.

[Anonymous]

I wish I could upvote this take a thousand times. Well said!

[BeMuse]

Rigging elections is always fun huh?

[Opinion Owner]

@BeMuse huh? It wasn’t rigged, she’s just awful lol.

[BeMuse]

I'm talking about you..." I wish I could upvote this take a thousand times"

[JimRSmith]

She is indeed a crappy person. And a nasty one.

I'm no longer worried about her getting elected to any significant office, though. The time for that has passed.

[Celtero]

At this point I'm so scared of Democrats getting back into power, their party is so radical now they'll actually ruin the country. The problem is that Democracy is a failure since most of the population are too dumb to understand that the Democratic party is a thirst for power claiming to be all about rights for the underdog (whomever that may be) the environment, and anti corporation. Their only strategies are based on divisive identity politics and convincing people that socialism will make everything free or at least cheaper.

[goaded]

Why do you think the Democratic Party "is so radical now they'll actually ruin the country"?

Whatever happens in the next two elections, it will mostly be the same people as the last couple of decades.

[Celtero]

@goaded Everytime they lose they talk about how the system is old and outdated and needs to be changed. Electoral college, only two senators per state, what could be next?

They've done lots of corrupt things in recent times, such as using false allegations, rigging the primary, leaking debate questions, telling the mob to harass conservative politicians and their children where they "eat and sleep."

All while the media covers for them. Elizabeth Warren comes out and says she's taken a DNA test which revealed that she may be 1/1024th Native American and they're like, "see? She is an Indian! Donald Trump better give her that million dollars or else he's a liar."

If losing to Donald Trump isn't a sign that they are in desperate need for reform, I don't know what is. They don't even run on anything anymore, their strategy is just to make their opposing candidate look bad, and to claim they hate women and minorities.

[goaded]

A majority of the population is represented by 18 senators, and the senators that voted for Kavanaugh to affect everyone represent just 44% of the population. That doesn't seem unreasonable to you?

"False allegations" unproven.
"Rigging the primary" against the left wing.
"Leaking debate questions", in the above primary, against the left wing.
Nobody said harass their children, and it was in response to families being pulled apart by their policies.
Warren is at least 1/1024th native, may be 1/64 or 1/32nd. And they found the one time he didn't lie about something. He was being a dick about it, though.

What's their position on healthcare? Do you know? Have you looked? How much do you think pharmaceutical advertising is worth to the media companies who should be telling you?

What's their position on money in politics? (Spoiler, it's still rubbish.) Have you heard of the groups trying to get big money out of politics? Political advertising: how much is that worth to the media?

[Celtero]

@goaded It's unreasonable to let California and New York rule the entire country. Once upon a time states were supposed to be mostly independent from the federal government.

I don't care if they were being corrupt against themselves, it's still corruption. I could list more instances and condoning violence but I don't really think I need to.

Healthcare? Political donations? Beats me. They don't campaign on it. All I see in my state is "TRUMP BAD, THIS SENATOR VOTE WITH TRUMP, YOU NO VOTE THIS SENATOR!" And the rest is all sentimentality and sophistry.

[goaded]

If feels like you're saying they're somehow suddenly radical, but at the same time not putting forward new policies.

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to point out, for example, that popular social policies are under threat from a continued Republican majority.

[Celtero]

@goaded Their behavior is radical not their policies.

I don't like abortion bud, if that's what you're talking about. Hell, I even understand the argument why gay people shouldn't be able to get married. For the most part I don't really care about social policies as long as everybody is free and equal under the law.

[goaded]

I wasn't talking about abortion, I was talking about forthcoming cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid to "balance" the tax cuts they made.

[Celtero]

@goaded I'd be surprised if they went through with it because it seems to me that's the only thing they could cut that would lose them votes.

Perhaps if they could compensate for people who already paid into the system... otherwise it sounds pretty stupid to me.

If the dems actually campaigned on that it'd actually earn some of my favor, though this is the first I'm hearing of it. But as I've said, all I hear about is how terrible trump is, and how republicans hate all gays, minorities and women. All that does is make me think they're stupid for thinking I'm stupid enough to vote based on that bullshit, and less inclined to listen to them any further.

[goaded]

It's not like it's not a regular feature; cut taxes, then point at increasing debt to call for spending less on things people need.

www.srnnews.com/.../
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

"On the Senate floor during the tax debate, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) asked Rubio and Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.) to promise that Republicans would not advance cuts to Medicare and Social Security after their tax bill. Toomey said that there was “no secret plan” to do so, while Rubio said he opposed cuts to either program for current beneficiaries. However, neither closed the door to changing the programs for future beneficiaries."

[Celtero]

@goaded Cutting welfare would be nice, not sure about medicare...

That's one of the things with democrats and republicans. Democrat president raises taxes while lowering the debt... republican president increases spending while cutting debt.

But for the most part it seems like speculation and fear mongering.

[goaded]

That's not the way it works, though! Here's a graph of Federal Debt as a percentage of GDP (which is a way of showing how affordable the debt is, because it can come down either by lowering the deficit, even to the point of a surplus, *or* an improved economy measured by GDP):



If a downward trajectory could be maintained, it would result in paying off the debt altogether. Look what happens around 1952, 1960, 1968, 1976, 1980, 1992, 2000, and 2015 (when the party of the president changed). Other than 1968 (Vietnam war? and both parties wanting to pay off the debt), all blue-red transitions go from downward (good) to upward (bad) within a year or two, as soon as the Republican policies start to take effect, whereas each red-blue transition goes from fast upward (bad), slows, and eventually to downward, just in time to be turned around again by the next Republican.

[godfatherfan]

Too bad your such a coward you can't just post as yourself. The fact is that the greatest President of my lifetime was Bill Clinton. Hillary was part of that. She would have made one of the best Presidents ever. Instead we have a nazi, women hating, piece of trash in office that the people didn't even elect. He has brought disgrace to the Presidency and to the USA. Even when garbage republicans were in office, someone could still respect the office of the President. Unfortunately, we have someone that makes a mockery of the position, our country and most of the people in it. You, like him, are a sad coward. Go hide some more

[sonnysunshine]

Hillary would be a complete nobody if she never married bill.

[DashboardLight]

“Nazi, woman-hating piece of trash”

Haha, youa mad?

[xHeyUx]

I’m curious. Why was Bill Clinton the greatest president of your lifetime? Why would Hillary have made one of the best presidents ever?

Bill Clinton has had charisma. What presidential actions made him the greatest in your mind?

Hillary Clinton has had grit. Were there specific efforts you believed she would have achieved as president?

[sonnysunshine]

@xHeyUx bill happened to be president during a roaring economy and an extended peacetime. He also had more covert military actions than any president in history. He handled problems with a knife behind his back.

Hilary doesn’t have one inch of that charisma

[DesertCreature]

"She would have made one of the best Presidents ever."
Here's proof that older doesn't necessarily mean wiser.

[xHeyUx]

@sonnysunshine I understand your perspective of Bill. I would like to understand @godfatherfans perspective. As I say, Bill’s biggest gift has been charisma and Hillary’s I would call grit.

[sonnysunshine]

@xHeyUx I don’t like bill nor especially Hillary. I’m a conservative. BUT I look at these issues objectively.

George W Bush (funny people rarely talk about him nowadays) made a huge HUGE mistake with the Iraq war. He started off genuine. After 9/11 his mission was to defend our country. But he costs us trillions of tax dollars, American blood, innocent civilian blood (collateral damage) and lost face by making America look like an international bully.

Obama was necessary in 2008. But in 2012 he took political correctness into the stratosphere. People got pushed in the opposite direction

[BCA6010]

There are dozens if not hundreds of women in politics that would make great presidents. Many more could at least keep from wrecking the country, and basically all the rest, even the bad ones, would likely be better than Hillary. The fact the Democrats tried to rally behind her of all people speaks volumes about how horribly corrupt and inept their party really is.

Benghazi is only the tip of the iceberg with this one. She hasn't done anything for anyone but herself her entire life, she has actively colluded with enemies of the country for personal profit, and she's a pathological liar.

If the DNC tries to rally around her again, they will be forever dead to me.

[goaded]

Zombie lies. It wasn't even an icecube.
"Despite persistent accusations against President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice, ten investigations — six by Republican-controlled congressional committees — did not find that they or any other high-ranking Obama administration officials had acted improperly."

[DesertCreature]

All the junk aside, I worked at one of our embassy's in 2007 - 2008, the State Department's policy on PED's and what you were (not) allowed to do on them was quite known. It was and still is also well known that once you work at the Special Executive Services level all of your official correspondence is archived. You are a public servant and as such everything goes into the archives. Of course every now and again you'll get people who fire off a message or two that's work related on a PED but to intentionally circumvent the entire process at the level she tried is an affront to the country and it's people. The USA dodged a bullet of unimaginable size with her loss, she was setting up for some corruption on the size never seen at that level.

[CuChullan]

Good take, i agree with all you said, but you left one item out. That item is we would in all probability not be making comments here, the internet as we know it would have ceased to exist. There would be few of us left, if any at all. The reason is the world would be fried. WW3 would have started and finished by now.

[ATuairiscean]

Good take - She wouldn't have been my first choice to oppose Donald Trump in 2016 - I think I see a comment out of the corner of my eye that she is very unlikely to run for office again which I believe is true - My preference is the Democrats get unified behind a strong candidate who has the best chance of defeating Donald Trump in 2020.

[Anonymous]

But would mrs. Clinton have been under investigation for espionage from election day? I actually spent my day after voting watching pings coming in. Guess which country was pinging us more than normal? Oh by the way I am a computer guy so I am aware of all security issues. Mrs. Clinton's network had a higher security firewall on it than the other person who as soon as possible allowed his own people to use unsecure servers and emails to communicate. Yet I never hear anything from anyone about that. How about the person who refuses to hand over his unsecured phone so he has his Twitter account, instead of the secure burners that he is supposed to be using. Hmmmmmm who is the at risk person?

[Opinion Owner]

Oh by the way Benghazi was proven to be the fact that anyone with an (R) in their name would not support anything from the Obama Administration, it was even seen that any requests be denied immediately. Just because the children wanted to blame everything on them, including Benghazi.

[NoPoliticsPlease]

The only upsides to her being president is we would more than likely have universal healthcare and it would be nice to go to community college for free but she would not be good for the country as far as her wanting to bring illegals into this country and not deport the ones who are already here also she had far left views on gay rights saying she would prosecute anyone who disagreed which messes with our free speech and she would also take away guns because she wants the NWO and total socialism so while Trump is far from perfect he is the lesser evil.

[WalterRadio]

Why would you want universal healthcare? Do you want to have to wait 6, 9 sometimes more months before you get treated like in Canada and the UK? The problem with the US healthcare system is that it is not a free market. Moving the needle farther away from being a free market is not going to help.

"community college for free"
Why? CC is already cheap, cheap, cheap. Where I live, tuition is the equivalent of working less than two days a month at McDonald's. If a person is too lazy not to work two days a month, then I sure don't want my tax money going to such a lazy person.

" she had far left views on gay rights"
The irony is that Hillary is on the record for being against gay marriage, even though she is a lesbian.

[NoPoliticsPlease]

@WalterRadio don't you think that since you can rarely get a job anymore with a community college degree that it might as well be for free anyway?

[WalterRadio]

Then what's the point? Since you can't get a job based on what you learn by spending a summer in Europe, should the tax payer pay for everyone to go to Europe?

You made the case for eliminating CC.

[NoPoliticsPlease]

@WalterRadio no but it is still possible to get a job just in a lot of cases you get stuck with a student loan for no reason and it is not right it is a scam by the government.

[WalterRadio]

Anyone who goes to a community college and has a loan is a fool. It is way too cheap for that.

[Guanfei]

She's basically the worst that could happen to any country. Not only she doesn't care about her own country, and is following that deadly SJW ideology, but she has the connections to every shady people around the world. And she know how to use it. That's the worst.

I find so funny that americans made her into some sort or Saint Hillary fighting the demon Trump to save the world and democracy.

But knowing americans, they could very well elect her just for that reason. Or just because she's a woman and that would look "progressive" to elect a woman.
In France we have a bunch of fuckers running for the office. But damn, we're nowhere near the fuck up point you all are.

[passinby]

Putting politics aside for the moment, she is highest white collar crime figure walking around unscathed and free. So why given all of the felonies swept under the carpet is she still walking free?

[hellionthesagereborn]

You forgot the 40 plus people who all died under mysterious circumstances or commited suicide while in the process of calling her out or after screwing her over. Add possible murderer to that list of shitty things she has done.

[Anonymous]

Thank you. There is one scenario I really want to ask everyone. Where would Hillary be if she never married Bill?

I imagine she would still be very successful. Love or hate her she is a fighter. But no way in hell she would EVER have been a legitimate presidential candidate without the brand recognition of the Clinton name.

Trump did it all on his own. That doesn’t mean I like him. Yes he got a huge loan from his dad to start his business but he didn’t need to marry someone with a big name to build his brand. He did it all himself.

As a conservative I’m ready for a female president but NOT Hillary. No.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Alright, your opinion is your opinion...

But what is the point of writing this? She's done with politics, and has already stated she won't run again.

Even after she lost the 2016 Presidential Election, even after retired from politics, you're still worried about her? Why?

[Seppelson]

Because he is in fear of women

[sonnysunshine]

Because people wondering how trump won. Well feminism and political correctness wasn’t enough to get a president elected this time.

With that said I think obama would have still been elected in 2008 and 2012 even if he was white (he’s actually half white but he and his fans will always embrace the black side). But when society becomes increasingly Marxist thanks to his administration people will fight back.

With that said I don’t even like Trump. But 2016 was a perfect storm for him to get elected.

[JackJPershing]

I would have voted for Trump, any Republican, Bernie, Joe Biden, and a lot of other Democrats, or a warm pile of what my dogs leave in the backyard before I'd vote for the walking Extinction Level Event Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[luminarada]

Nobody really liked Hillary, they just hate Trump because he is an absolute moron. It's like choosing between a corrupt politician and a screaming baby; you think the baby is funny, but the politician should probably run the US. The US is the laughing stock of the world now

[Nades]

Finally someone who understands😂

[WitchsLove]

Yep...

[sonnysunshine]

Not everybody who voted for trump liked him. They just liked Hillary even less

[WitchsLove]

Sad truth

[N192K001]

Hilary Clinton?

These United States have so many female citizens, surely the Union can do better in selecting a far more deserving woman to receive the honor of serving as the U. S.'s 1st Female President.

[Anonymous]

great take! i never liked her or trust her enough anyway. so instead, i decided to vote for 3rd party in the 2016 election, since I just don't find either of the major parties' candidates relatable to me and i don't like or trust either of them from the beginning they announced they were going to run for the presidency

[Chuck9z]

While she was supposed to be our 1st communest leader as she would have been in there until she died. But that stuff doesn't matter is the fact that we the people who control it all have sat a her butts for so long and not said a word to our Congress while their setness stuff up that we deserve every thing we get

[goaded]

Communist? Really? smh

[Malik00]

No I honestly agree with you. The more i think about it the more i feel we REALLY dodged a bullet with trump winning.