Liberals should stop claiming dropping Atomic weapons on Nagasaki &Hiroshima were immoral &unnecessary here's why! (Page 2)
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When will we stop fighting and have peace as a nation.
It's easier for other countries to invade us if we keep fighting about the little stuff and not focusing on the freedom that we have to think an act as we please. And working together to keep it.
This country was founded on the principle of freedom and if we keep fighting it won't be that way for very long, because a house divided against itself cannot stand, same goes for a nation.
You don't need to preach this one - anybody who actually believes we were wrong for doing that probably isn't concerned with facts or acknowledging that the mindset of the time was radically different from today.
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I am not a liberal or anything.
But USA knew the consequences of a nuclear bomb, still they decided to use it.
Now coz of that many nations have developed tech and invented their own bombs.
And US gains good profit from these business of weaponaries.
US doesn't seems to do a single thing if they have no profit from it, i won't believe they thought this way...
But the past is past now, everyone has seen it, next time it will be different.
The Atom bomb would have been invented anyway. The British and Canadians contributed enormously to the Manhattan project
The Atom bomb was just a bigger bomb. They hadn't used chemical or biological weapons.
It lead to invention of H-bombs.
Now almost every other country hold several nukes, coz they are scared that one day if they dont keep it, they will loose.
US might have played by rules of war, but what it did has given a big impact on whole earth.
Those japanese still suffer till today due to that explosion.
And the neighbouring countries were affected too due to water cycle.
2 bombs is all it took to raise global warming.
2 bombs is all it took to scare everyone.
2 bombs is all it took for existing 500+ bombs (nukes actually).
2 bombs is all it took that everyone became hungry for power and high tech immediately.
It was all on the way. Progress can't be stopped.
MAD stopped future world wars.
Actually it was rise of new era.
Nuclear Era. You must have heard of it.
And wars are still running.
Indirectly under control of US.
No world wars. Small conflicts and proxy wars.
US civil war 600,000 deaths
Ww1 there was 500,000 at the battle of pachendale and 40 million deaths plus the millions killed by spainish flu.
Ww2 over 1 million died at Stalingrad and over 65 million died overall.
With every war fought a quantum leap in technology and medicine but also the ability to kill. How many would have potentially died if the Warsaw pact had decided to sweep through Europe? MAD prevented these types of wars so all there was left was smaller wars and proxy wars.
These smaller wars and proxy wars almost kill the same number of people which would have died in war if japan wasn't nuked.
It was a major display of strength.
In war alteast soldiers die, who come forth for duty.
In such mass bombing you can see child, women, old, house everything gone. And whole economy just disbalanced.
I dont even know how much they might have suffered, coz i live far away from japan...
On top of that now US govt has good idea what it has gotten itself into, so its trying hard to keep a step ahead of every nation. In order to do that one trick ther use is spying.
Im not even sure what deadly things there are holding just in case.
And about indirect wars, you know how many wars have been fought in last 20 years?
Like almost 50 wars!
And most of them under control and profits of US govt.
So, you would rather we engaged in a land campaign that would have amounted to genocide of Japan.
Your judging these proxy wars by the wars of the past rather than considering how devastating the advancement of technology makes modern warfare so deadly. You forget that before Japan was nuked the allies had killed 8 times as many by conventional means and Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the only two cities that hadn't been bombed yet.
The US is currently two steps ahead of every other nation.
There has been no global all out wars since ww2 involving two developed nations (except the Falklands war).
They claim it was immoral and unnecessary? Do they know what the Japanese DID during the war?
Most don't seem to know anything about ww2. The Japanese were prepared to fight to the death.
Yeah, it was terrible. And wow, I can't imagine being that ignorant. I mean, it sucks to know the truth, but I'd rather know it than not.
When you go to war, you know what you're going into. If the people do not agree, they overthrow the government. Without people to fire the guns, drive the tanks and fly the planes there's no war anyway.
I think Truman made the right decision , even though he died feeling guilty. It was a tough decision that had to be made.
He saved millions
yep he did
This is a little bit outside my range of thought but I'm happy to see you have your own ideas about it
To what I learned in school (French school) the US dropped the bomb to make the Japanese stop fighting with the Axis.
I never heard any others versions personally.
Half of Russia is radioactive because of "liberals" they'd depopulate the earth if they could.
I mean it’s really in this question:
Does the end justify the means?
If it saves millions of lives yes.
The nuclear bombs could’ve been used to attack major military targets instead of civilian targets.
Cities were military targets. Cities produced arms, fed armies, had armies, communication networks, military inteligence headquarters, airfields, army barracks and naval bases.
Why not target factories, or military bases?
The United States wanted to end the war with the least American casualties, and the nuclear bomb was a show of power. It wasn’t necessary to attack the major cities with something that would cause a lot of civilian causalities. If anything, if civilian lives were a concern as well, they could just bomb the cities with traditional bombs to hit certain parts that are not populate by civilians.
Factories were in the cities, they tried it over Germany and both the RAF & USAF found they had to flatten entire cities to damage German industry.
The US was going for shock value as they'd killed over 800,000+ attacking Japanese cities, killed hundreds of thousands driving the Japanese back to Japan yet still would not surrender unconditionally.
But was it really the end justifies the means thing though? Because after the war, the United States invited all these leaders from different countries to show the power of the nuclear bomb.
Of course they did, just like the British demonstrated their jet engines.
Except when they demonstrated a Jet Engine, it had civilian use as well.
When the United States showed off it’s atomic bomb, it’s a show of might.
Splitting the atom had civilian use also.
Yeah, but a demonstration of a weapon is different from a demonstration of a jet engine.
Not when your demonstrating a nuclear bomber.
I'll be honest I don't know enough about this topic. I find it to be very intriguing though!
Watch the told truths about America on Netflix it’s mind blowing they killed the Kennedys cause they we’re for peace.
They should stop whining about something that happened decades ago and is unchangeable.
I think they deserved it. The Japanese committed a lot of war crimes in Korea and China. Had it coming in my opinion.
I agree with you, except that I don't know enough about the last paragraph to comment.
the bombs had bee followed up by very direct phamplets saying the date and time they would be dropped.
I agree. People don't understand that bad things happen during war. However, we should do everything in our power to avoid it.
I agree and doing that could cause an uproar. People hate violence provoking words. It's like when people yell fire. They say we have freedom of speech but we can't say fire.
America crushed Japan so bad they literally gave up their ideology and embraced pacifism 🤣🤣😂😂😂
The way I see, Nagasaki was unnecessary as the Japanese were having talks. Plus the region was occupied mainly by simple civilians.
No point talking about it now though
If they had dropped only one bomb, the enemy would have easily assumed that it was the only bomb they had.
@ThisDudeHere the 2nd was dropped because the Japanese still refused to surrender unconditionally
Actually the Japanese hadn't released the full statement. There was a state of confusion. All other supporters of Japan had already fallen. There were millions of ways that could have ended the war without Nagasaki.
The only way the war could have ended was with Japan's unconditional surrender just like all other AXIS members were forced to and the Japanese were still thinking they could negotiate suitable terms or hoping that the next big battle would be a defeat for the allies or cause so many allied casualties that they would come to the peace table.