My thoughts exactly.
the first 6 presidents were not Christians... and closer to atheists in belief THAN christianity.
@feminismisnarcissism When JFK was campaigning people didn't like the idea of a Roman Catholic being president. I doubt it will be different. I know Christians that hate some people simply because they're atheists. My best friend from my childhood stopped being friends with me simply because I'm atheist.
Christians aren't exactly equal loving folks... And ya JFK was our first and only Catholic pres that I know of... not that he was that great-he got shot, we always make a martyr out of a guy who gets shot-that's not a martyr lol.sorry you've dealt wth that, they weren't real friends though, were they.
@feminismisnarcissism it's okay. I have gotten used to the idea of her not being my friend. I never realized she was such a hateful person. I feel like that's why we won't have an atheist president for a while. (At least not one that is openly atheist) I have a feeling a lot of Christians would vote against them simply because they're atheist.
of course they would... today's Christians have forgotten what our founding Christian members knew: Christianity doesn't stop oppressing when it runs out of non-Christians... Christianity IS THE RELIGION THEY WERE RUNNING FROM TO GET FREEDOM HERE...
@feminismisnarcissism exactly it's sad they forget that.
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I'll frame why question as I wish, if you have a problem with that then please refrain from answering.
@Asker Then don't be annoyed with people misinterpreting what you were asking.
You frame it however you want, but if you frame it wrong, you may not get the answer you want.
@nog642 Where do you see me being annoyed? If you're referring to the update then I was just clarifying a bit.
Possible but not likely.
Nonreligious is not synonymous with atheism, however, as many of those people would still affirm belief in God outside the context of a formal religion. That is not even mentioning the "it's not a religion it's a relationship!" Evangelical types.
@JRICHARDS1996 Nonreligious people may not be atheists but most would have no problem with an atheist president.
Being the second largest group is not that impressive when the largest group consists of about 70-80% of the population.
Yeah I also said that a lot of the Christians aren't super fundamentalist and wouldn't care that much if the president was an atheist. Now you're getting closer to 50% (still quite a bit above it but still) and it becomes possible but not likely to have an atheist president. Plus demographics change. Nonreligious is going up and Christian is going down.
Thomas Jefferson and arguably Abraham Lincoln were.
you have to have lived in America for at 14 years
Trump most likely. No billionaire cares about God, especially one who lead a playboy lifestyle like himself. Hillary most definitely is, I'm unsure about Bill because he is Southern, but Obama may in fact be a Muslim considering his father was African and his mother was that dumb liberal White woman type who gets impregnated by a Muslim.
He seems to have said otherwise. www.cnn.com/.../...t-an-atheist-its-outrageous.cnn
@Jersey2 If he is, he certainly isn't open about. I never heard him ever say he is, and I believe in interviews he's said he's jewish.
@Jersey2 Honestly, I don't believe him. He knows that "atheist" is still a dirty word in this country, and he doesn't wish to lose any potential voters. He's a typical politician, so very little of what he says should be believed.
@CosmicShores Many reform Jews are atheist or agnostic (around 1/4 of them in America). Karl Marx and some of the Bolsheviks were Jewish too, so Sanders being one wouldn't be unusual.
So is the word Socialist and that didn't stop him. I think he says what he means which is part of his appeal.
I already know that poll. I know very well that atheism in america is growing. Not just in the jewish faith. But, this proves nothing about Bernie. I agree with Jersey2 that if Bernie cared about dirty words, he wouldn't have been open about socialism either.
Obama is a christian. He visits the church regularly and he even has a former pastor that Republicans really hated during the presidential campaign in 2008.
@BlueCoyote I recall his association with a sketchy activist Rev at a Chicago Church when he was a "community organizer" , who he had to distance himself from because the rev was over. The top. After that I recall no affiliations
@BlueCoyote His father was an African Muslim however and his mother seemed like the typical White liberal woman who gets infatuated by Muslims/Black men. A lot of those types are attracted to Islam because they see it as trendy and exotic. So there is a chance he could be Muslim.
@JRICHARDS1996 yes, and freedom of religion is part of our foundation , so no biggie, just that so many POTUS flaunt their religion. Hmm... There's only ever been one non Protestent EVER!
I'd wager that a good deal of the early Enlightenment presidents like Jefferson and Madison were atheists - or at least deists - but otherwise the majority of them have been Protestants. Kennedy was a Roman Catholic. Obama is probably Muslim.
@JRICHARDS1996 Agreed, bro
read your Constitution, get some patriotism. this nation is SECULAR, not christian. show me where Jesus or "God" are mentioned even one time in the Constitution?
and 80% identifies as Xian, bonehead
first 6 presidents weren't Christians. Madison wrote the Constitution largely by himself, was not a Christian. Jefferson wrote the DoI by himself and was not Christian. Paine was father of our revolution, and was not Christian... jesus christ Americans these days are fucking dumb as posts
@feminismisnarcissism help yourself en.wikipedia.org/.../Christianity_in_the_United_States and i would really appreciate it if you actually do something in your life other than stalking my posts, you have some pretty weird and wrong views about everything, you're 43 you should at least act you age.
you can't throw a book bonehead-you make your point, THEN post the source... so try againand it wasn't a guess on my side-show me jesus or god in our COnstitution. the people being christian is irrelevant. what matters is what is legal-and it's legal for an atheist to be president.
@feminismisnarcissism its legal for anyone to be a president , however the fact is that it won't happen, when 280 m out of 310 m are christian i dont think an atheist president will enjoy being a president even for 10 mins.
the majority were christians at the start too... yet a NON-Christian wrote our most crucial documents... Jefferson and Madison were both deists, the remaining strong influence would be Paine-again not just deist, but HATED christianity. so your point is moot.
good luck with that its 2016
@feminismisnarcissism Jefferson wrote the Constitution, not Madison. Madison wrote the federalist papers which supported a republic, but not the Constitution itself. Jefferson was also most certainly an atheist. The man literally took scissors to a Bible and cut out the parts he did not like. However, that was before the age of social media. And when only white men who owned property could vote. The odds were not as stacked against them as they are now.
@JRICHARDS1996 no Jefferson did not write the Constitution. he wrote the Declaration. No he was not an atheist. Indeed he wrote "the life and morals of Jesus of Nazareth" known as the "jefferson bible. he WAS the biggest blasphemer one could likely find... he WAS called "that infidel from Virginia" and "a howling atheist" BY christians of his day. However, he called HIMSELF "a Christian" as he DID appreciate the philosophy of Jesus, while rejecting the divinity. However, Jefferson was clearly a deist-this isn't debatable, that's accepted. He's typically called "a Christian deist". ie believing in a creator, but it wasn't Jesus/Yhvh. cmon, you're making us atheists look bad with your (poor) guesswork-do your homework and stfu and sit down til you know the topic ;)
@JRICHARDS1996 "Many of the United States Founding Fathers were at the Constitutional Convention, where the Constitution was hammered out and ratified. George Washington, for example, presided over the Convention. James Madison, also present, wrote the document that formed the model for the Constitution."www.constitutionfacts.com/us-founding-fathers/
@JRICHARDS1996 Jefferson wasn't even in the country when it was being drafted... he was in France, but remained in contact with Madison. Jefferson can be credited for bits and pieces though... for example: The "establishment clause" of the bill of rights, WAS based on Jefferson's similar version HE wrote for the Virginia Constitution. However, the US Constitution was without a doubt, written by James Madison. I'm not guessing, you are.
Because a large part of Americans are extremely intolerant of atheists.
To be fair, liberals would probably hate them too because they are not as driven by emotion. There are some right-winged atheists as well, like the Ayn Rand Objectivism sort, but they are few and far in between.
yes, technically you can, always could. denying it for that reason would be unConstitutional.
@feminismisnarcissism I don't disagree with you but i wasn't sure with what the spirit of the question was. The legal "could" or if he "could" get the votes. Politicians get too hung up on religion.
Most atheists are likely to use the term agnostic or irreligious precisely because of the stigma that the word carries. Even the military is iffy about using the word "atheist" on dog tags, encouraging servicemen to instead use "non religious."
@JRICHARDS1996 Wow! Is this serious? Is this real?
In the United States at least.
@JRICHARDS1996 Huh, how odd.