LOL I think you really have a thing for BLM, again, or shall I say one more time. Lets go with the stat sadly enough blacks do commit a lot of violent crimes unfortunately against each other. We won't get into social economical factors that help facilitate this aspect of life for blacks, but it is not against police! And further more that will never justify police shooting unarmed people more specifically black people. As far as being BLM being disingenuous to blacks, When you live life being guilty or suspicious on site and being stopped and harassed by police for no reason as a lot of young black men are; I guarantee they are the least bit concerned about BLK. They are more concerned about cops who tend to shoot them whether they are violent or not. See this is the problem; the concern comes from police shooting unarmed black men, not violent ones who are in confrontation with the police! further more We can never see this the same. Because why BLM to us and apparently not to others!
The problem is the term "unarmed" doesn't mean anything. Deadly force is deadly force. You can still pose a threat and kill someone even if your "unarmed." Being armed isn't the only criteria for the justification of deadly force. I'm just a little sad that many blacks honestly buy into this false rhetoric. I will admit there are cases of police being racist against blacks, but it's so small that it doesn't even matter to bring it up. If you want to talk about disparity of the blacks, go clean up then neighborhoods, put more police there and incentivize blacks to go to school without dropping out. Also why is the single mother family rate higher today than it was during the 60s when racism was more prevalent? Is America more racist now than it was back then? Definitely not. Take responsibility brother.
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Not necessarily. BLM is a racial movement that uses violence and destruction to push a narrative based on NO evidence. A narrative of racism and oppression of blacks by the justice system. There's no evidence to suggest that there's a widespread institutional racist movement to target and oppress blacks.
@PoliceLivesMatter no it's not violent. White people and the media are involved in the BLM. What you just stated is based on NO evidence and based on something you probably heard from Fox News or some other conservative media source.
@PoliceLivesMatter go watch more Faux News if you must.
Show me a ample evidence of an institution that is outright racist towards blacks.
@PoliceLivesMatter I just did: Fox News.
It's individuals like you that prevent honest discussion about this issue. You are quick to label things racist, homophobic, bigot, etc. without ample evidence.
@PoliceLivesMatter Why should I bother to listen to conservatives? I've had this debate a million times and conservatives always resort to name calling, using biased sources and talking about "common sense" from their own twisted point of view.
If anyone is using name calling it's definitely liberals. The minute they hear your a conservative, they say your a racist, homophobe, bigot, sexist, islamaphobe, etc.
@PoliceLivesMatter I'm bored with hearing the same thing from you conservatives. Just go watch Fox News and stay off the internet with all us evil "intellectuals".
You don't have evidence only EMOTION. Conservatives=evidenceLiberals=emotion.
@PoliceLivesMatter I just found the EXACT wording you used in your first response on a conservative media site called the Fedarlist: thefederalist.com/.../You're just parroting a bunch of conservative propaganda you've been fed.
@PoliceLivesMatter this is the reason I refuse to debate with conservatives anymore: you just copy and paste the same garbage from a media site or from Fox News and never have anything new to say. Say something new or stfu.
I didn't copy and paste anything. What did I say specifically? I'll he happy to clarify.
@PoliceLivesMatter your first response. I found that exact wording in the site I posted. Stop parroting what other conservatives tell you to think and say something original for once.
I didn't take that from nowhere. What I said was basic general facts. It should be common sense that BLM perpetuates violence on a narrative that doesn't have evidence. What's more to say? What new things do you want to hear? There's nothing more than that. For example "hands up don't shoot" is a complete lie based on no evidence but EMOTION. Just because I said something the other news outlets agree with, doesn't mean I copied and pasted. Everything I said was completely from my head.
@PoliceLivesMatter Nothing new to say? You just pasted that crap from here: www.minnpost.com/.../assessing-heather-mac-donalds-counter-narrative-about-blacks-and-policeThat site specifically uses your wording of "BLM perpetuates violence on a narrative that doesn't have evidence". I found that exact phrase in there. You're not thinking for yourself, you're just parroting and copying what other people tell you.
I didn't copy that from anywhere. I used my own words. Either way, you're detracting from the main point. Why do you liberals do that? Even if I did copy and paste what I said, what part of it is wrong? You can't give me an example of an institution that holds a widespread racist belief of oppressing blacks. The point doesn't change even when your accusing me of copying something from the internet.
@PoliceLivesMatter I already said why I won't respond: because I've already had this exact same argument before. it's boring and annoying. I proved that by showing how you're just copying the exact wording from another conservative media source. The problem is that you can't think for yourself, you're just copying what somebody else told you.
If you read everything I've said and everything you've said, you'll find that your dodging the main points. I gave you questions to answer, and you couldn't answer them. Your distracting from the question by labeling me as someone who can't think for myself and copied online. I have no way to prove to you I didn't copy and paste, but you're using that as your main weapon against me. The points still stand. They're still valid. I'm waiting for your answer.
@PoliceLivesMatter evidence of modern racism: www.pbs.org/.../It's from PBS, but I know you'll parrot the phrase "fake news".
That article did not answer my question at all. While I'm not saying there isn't racism, which of course there is, I'm saying is there an institution (s) that actively/voluntarily oppress blacks? Your article gave an example of a fraternity which is hardly an example because I can give examples of groups shouting racist chants as well. It's not widespread. Also, all of the statistics done didn't even go into specifics! What exactly were the questions asked? How many people were asked? Where were they asked? And does that mean that these individuals set up against blacks so they can fail? No. Your article also mentions the Texas Department of Housing, but it didn't even mention why they would favor people of color instead of whites. It could because of complex financial issues, not racism! Those are false assumptions without ample facts. Your article failed to outline the specific institutions that actively oppress blacks and imprison them. It just showed evidence of racism.
Which I never said did not exist. Racism DOES exist. But, is it a factor in all of these police shootings? Is it a factor in the mass incarceration of blacks? How about the poverty in black neighborhoods? Is racism to blame? No. Your article didn't even mention the certain police tactics that are used that are inherently racist!!
@PoliceLivesMatter you lack basic common sense. Obviously the police will keep it secret if there is racism going on so naturally there won't be hard evidence of racism going on. But does that mean racism doesn't happen all the time? You're either low IQ or being brainwashed by conservative media.
Your article mentions police tactics that could be racist. What evidence do they have to prove that police use specifically racist tactics to oppress blacks? Give me an example of a racist police tactic during modern times that aims to oppress blacks. Also why the character attacks? See, you liberals always resort to character attacks when you don't have evidence. Mentioning I have low IQ because I want SPECIFICS. You can't say that just because blacks get arrested more and imprisoned more, than also means that cops and the justice system are racist. I need specific laws that are inherently racist today.
@PoliceLivesMatter I just why there isn't a whole lot of evidence: police cover it up. Just like Hitler covered up the Holocaust. You don't seem to have an advanced enough intellect to understand that police lie.
So, your response to me is "police cover it up?" You do realize how weak that is right? There's no room to argue, it's a safety net. You can use that answer towards any question.
The reason why blacks are in prison is because they have committed a crime. Not because of racism. The reason why they are arrested and pulled over is because they committed an infraction that warranted a stop. It's not racism as the cause. That's what I'm saying.
No evidence you call shooting unarmed black men by the dozen no evidence. LOL man ok you are untitled to your opinion. But at lease be balanced in your perspective. Blacks that do violence or anyone for that matter should be help accountable even by lethal force, but when unarmed men are being shot by civil servants that should be a big issue for everyone.
@PoliceLivesMatter the evidence shows that blacks serve a longer prison sentence than whites.
^ but is that due to racism? That's what I'm saying. It could be the fact that the longer sentences are because of the specifics of the crime! For example 1st degree murder will warrant a longer sentence than 2nd. Aggravated assault with a weapon is warrants a longer sentence than one with no weapon involved. Evidence. Plus lawyers plea bargain a lot.
@PoliceLivesMatter the only reason they serve longer sentences is for being black. That's the definition of racism. Are you stupid?
I would like to think I'm "moderately" smart, but if you think I'm stupid, I'm sorry. Anyways, how do you know that the only reason why blacks serve longer sentence is solely because of their skin color? Without the specifics like I mentioned plea deals, specific crime, evidence, witnesses, etc. you can't possibly say it's racism. That's all I'm saying. A judge is not going to give someone a longer sentence just because they're black. That's BLM fantasy land. A land where dragons exist and unicorns.
LOL yea Blacks are making it all up. its in the head. LOL its all in their heads. LOL yea ok I know you would like to believe that. But until you have been on the other side You are any of you commenters are not qualified to speak for us.'NOT QUALIFIED to speak for people who are dealing with the problem and are effected by it. Speak for yourself and the white race if you lke, and institution which is white by the way. LOL This is rich stuff.
I don't believe blacks are making it up. They are mislead to believe in false information. If black parents tell their children that the world is out to get you, that child will believe them, even when greatly misinformed. If YOUR mother and father told you from the moment of your younger days that police do not like black people. You'll be commenting on threads like this saying as such. Institution that is white? Barack Obama was president not too long ago, many white people voted for him.
Ok last response My friend I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it. How do you know you don't have false information? Man you dont get it, right or wrong either way, the blacks opinion and yours and people who hold you opinion will never align, But you have to ask yourself, why do you care so much about what a group feels about how they are being treated? furhter more their are plenty of people and groups that feel certain ways about how they are treated why address the blacks? They are intitled to feel how they feel and again, you would not be qualified to speak for how someone else is feeling about how they are being treated by a system which is : make no mistake about it "White" who have historically killed, discriminated against, abused, and plenty of other adjectives. And why? There is far more research that illustrates the unfair treatment of blacks by the white system in which we live. So why is it so hard to believe that We could be getting killed unfairly by police?
I want to come to agreements with you, but the problem is that many (not you personally) black people believe that the justice system is out to get them solely on the merits of skin color. These individuals prove my point when they rush too quickly that the cop is racist when the whole video hasn't even come out yet. Blacks were definitely discriminated against in the past for sure, no doubt. But, is the discrimination still WIDESPREAD today? Is it systematic? I have no doubt that there are racist police out there but I feel that the vast majority are good, but labeled bad and racist because of anti-police rhetoric out there that influences people before they have a chance to look at the facts.
@wizeguy6969 you're just not listening to the facts. The obvious statistics state that blacks receive longer prison sentences than white people. It's not false information because it comes straight from the government prison system.
But, is it because of racism that they receive longs sentences?
@PoliceLivesMatter define racism for me. I want to see if you even understand what racism is. Because it's obvious you don't. If black people are serving harsher prison sentences than white people that is, by definition, racism.
Lol are you trolling?
You can't honestly be serious John
@PoliceLivesMatter you lost the debate and now you're trying to play stupid.
Come on John, you're smarter than that.
@PoliceLivesMatter you haven't given a response. You just started saying, for no reason, "Lol are you trolling?".That's just an insult and baseless attack.
It's an honest response. I don't believe for a second you believe what you just posted. So, the cause is automatically racism as to why blacks receive longer sentences? Automatically racism huh? I know you can't believe that John, you're smarter than that.
The thing is, BLM comes to rash conclusions about race being the forefront of every issue. Those police shootings haven't even decided a verdict, and BLM is crying "racists." BLM pushes a narrative that blacks are oppressed by the justice system when there is no ample evidence to suggest such s widespread notion. If you look at many police shootings condemned by BLM you find 0 evidence of racism. There are cases but they are the minority.
Well sir is there ever any evidence of racism that is satisfactory? very few claim to be racist. However if you are sincerr look up the stats for the same offenses, whites are not shot at no where near the rate blacks are shot by police. So the proof is in the pudding. there is no way that many black men should be getting shot by the very people they are suppose to protect and yes even from themselves. I dont know what else you can attribute the shootings of unarmed black men by white cops at such a high rate but to racism.
Actually if you do some quick googling you'll find that there's ample evidence to suggest that whites are MORE likely to get shot by police in the same scenario. You have to look at each case though, the specific legalities determine whether or not the officer felt justified using deadly force. Plus, the media only reports these controversial instances, your not seeing the full picture.
That feeling when someone talks about statistics but didn't actually look at the statistics. Also did you know that black people statisticaly commit more violent crimes? Of course, there's more white people, so it would be incorrect to count in absolutes. When you count violent crimes divided by members of the race, black people are actually significantly more violent. Also black on white assault is about 6 times more common than white on black (I'm not sure about this number, it was something between 4 and 10, I think it was 6.)It makes sense that they get shot more often if they commit more violent crimes. Especially if they resist arrest or don't follow the orders of the police (even simple reaching for a wallet can look like grabbing a gun and the cop has the right to defend himself first, in that case black people get killed just as likely as white).
We should look into why black people commit more violent crimes in the first place instead of calling cops racist. Most of them are just doing their job. Of course there's a chance of some of them being racist just like in any other group/job. BLM just goes around calling everyone racist no matter what. They have a victim complex.
LOL that is categorically untrue that blacks commit more violent crimes, I see you are uniformed and obviously biased. So our discussion is over. lets agree to disagree. Thanks for your dialog patriot.
I see you haven't provided ample evidence for my previous question. Is there any evidence to suggest that there is a institution that overtly oppresses blacks solely because of skin color/race? Just because there are plenty of blacks in jail and shot by police doesn't suggest one ounce of racism.
So knowing the actual statistics is uninformed and biased now? What a time to be allowed. Truth is racist.Do you want links to the actual stats? I don't have a problem providing them, because I'm not just throwing the word "statistics" around, they actually exist.
Also isn't it kind of racist that you would rather call me biased and stick to your opinion that the police is racist, instead of accepting that for some reason, black people tend to be more likely to commit violent crimes, and that reason should be found and fixed? What you're unknowingly doing is that you'd rather call cops the problem instead of actually helping the black people (by finding and fixing the actual source of the problem, which is what I proposed). You choose shifting the blame instead of actual help.Lol.
No just dont want to be shot more than other races by the police, It is easy to take that position when it is not your people being shot in more cases than not because they are black not criminals. If you research the history of this country you would know and understand better whey that movement came about. Just look at the context in which this comes about. And yes all lives matter. It is felt that black lives dont matter based on the rate they are shot down in the street by white cops.
Go re-check these statistics:number of violent crimes sorted by race divided by the number of members of that race (like violent crimes crimes committed by white divided by the number of whites, same for blacks)then People killed by the police sorted by race divided by the number of members of that raceand then White on black crimes vs. black on white crimes.Then your argument becomes irrelevant.Black people commit more violent crimes per person, they actually have a lower likelihood of getting killed by the police per person and black on white violent assault outnumbers white on black assault by about 6:1.Those are the facts and I don't care whose feelings it hurts.
Black people are statisticaly more likely to commit violent crimes, it would only make sense if they therefore got shot more often. But they actually don't, it's just more visible thanks to the media.
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