It is kinda a form of objectification but lots of things are, but this is super dumb what kinda idiots compalin about a super hero not smileing. This whole thing is daft i am with brie that she shouldn't smile if she don't want to.
And this is definatly harrasment but not sexism. But who ever said that she should smile should get people hating them for been dumb and on the same level as if they were sexist.
What in the fuck? So if a girl tells me I should smile more (which they have many times in my life) that means they're objectifying me? When I tell a girl they should smile more I generally mean that they currently have a somewhat depressing vibe or it's to help them socialize.
Well it is demeaning unless their is a damn good context (i. e. being in a role that requires positive vibes). If someone told me to smile more I would feel like punching them in the face. I smile when I feel happy, and I don't smile when I don't. Telling someone to smile doesn't respect their reasons for not smiling. It turns them into an ornament or a decoration. And yeah, women feel this more accutely than men because they are often ornamentalised.
whatever it is, it's so annoying and done by the most annoying type of men. >.> why would anyone care enough about a stranger's lack of a smile... and then have the audacity to walk up to me with that bull... go step on a lego weird man. Let me walk rbf and all.
I wouldn't usually call it objectification but there is something annoying about it. Why? Why should I smile unless I want to? It's just usually said in a condescending way. Like "you should smile so you look prettier for me!"
No, weirdo. But sometimes, it's not like that at all.
I don't see it as objectification, but I do think it's stupid. I hate it when someone tells me to smile in pictures, especially when they saw only one picture of me. I don't walk around with a smile on my face all day, so I see no point in smiling in every picture, especially if I don't feel like it. Do I have to pretend i'm happy or what? If you take picture of me when I am smiling it's a different thing.
I am like the least PC person ever but I do feel like it's objectifying, like we're supposed to fit into a certain stereotype to be pleasing. I have major resting bitch face & am often told to smile. It's one of the things I hate most. Besides, who just stands around smiling at nothing?
Rolls eyes... everything is the patriarchy nowadays. Photoshopping smiles onto female superheros out of a smiling context is also stupid looking. ... this is just another far reaching idea of oppression that views it through the lense of a one way street. If anyone is 'offended' by being asked to smile, male or female, I hope their single for the rest of their life.
Telling someone to smile in general. Honestly just fuck off. I've had people tell me to smile before and I mean, that's like finding a mine and just stepping on it because you fancy it. They're probably not smiling for a reason and you saying "smile" ain't gonna fucking help is it.
I mean, I would definitely take it as objectifying if a random street guy comes over and tell me to smile and all in an awkward manner. So yes sometimes it can be objectifying. I actually an going through a terrible time now and if a random dude who belongs in the manhole comes to me telling me to smile I'd punch him in the face tbh.
I fully agree with the larson article. I think if you pay attention to who you say needs to smile more it would almost always be to a woman. I know I used to say that... I had a coworker who didn't smile laughed plenty at jokes etc. but honestly it hit me like a ton of bricks that I would never think that of a female coworker
However people are mad because they simply cast someone 'plain' looking like Brie Larson and not Kim Kardashian or Jessica Alba to play Captain Marvel.
I mean come on. Can't we have average looking superhero for once? I didn't see anyone raising eyebrow Mark Ruffalo to play Hulk. He's also plain looking 🤷
People are mad because she doesn't seem heroic. Before the casting it was revealed people wanted Ronda Rousey. She is attractive but not in the slim Barbie doll.
If captian marvel bombs they will blame the fans for being sexist. Not that it was an awful movie (if it is) and they won't stop. She is the next Iron Man. Stronger than the hulk and more moral than Captian America as we've been told. She will be like the Superman movies basically boring and over powered and everyone will kiss her arse.
Brie Larson? Average looking? So you think THIS woman is average looking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrmWnFAHYE She's hot. It's just that she's a crazy SJW, and her costume sucks balls. Plus she can't act for shit. Plus the trailer sucks too. So the only thing we didn't complain about was her physical beauty.
@Benedek38 I don't like agreeing with you because I feel like you take things too far in the other direction but apart from your comment on the costume I can't disagree.
If you look at the difference between say captain America's costume then it's not a lot different. The problem is that the comic book character is god awful and they seem to be following that for the movie.
@Benedek38 I didn't say she's plain looking. I said I saw a lot of people complaining that she is. I find her to be far from it. I can't comment on her acting skills because I haven't watched any movie by her and the trailer was too short to make any judgement.
@Edanurus I never said it was better. It was objectively worse in design. But you mentioned Captain America. Here's his costume. This is from the set of the first Avengers movie, so this is objectively the worst possible photo - no lighting, no flexing, nothing: www.mensjournal.com/.../avengers4-5.jpg Ask yourself: What character trait does the costume enhance? Answer: Broad shoulders, and build upper body. Typically masculine traits.
@Edanurus Now let's look at Supergirl, an objectively really masculine superhero (very similar to Captain Marvel) in the TV show. www.fastcosplay.com/.../...tume-deluxe-version.jpg Eh, it's too "skimpy", you'll just say I am objectifying her. Oh, but there's EVIL supergirl! i.pinimg.com/.../...7c9cd00bf530be4ac89c28da39.jpg Now this surely isn't objectifying anyone. So, what are the physical traits of the character that the suit enhances? Wide hips, thin waist, shaped thighs, boobs. Accidentally, characteristics of the FEMALE body. Interesting, eh?
@Edanurus 1) Spandex beats fake leather. If you want to use leather - either use real leather, or use latex, or spandex, or something form-fitting - this looks like she's covered in the same material used for cheap Chinese Adidas knock-offs. 2) She has decent thighs... but the costume doesn't help a lot with the waist... And she has enormous shoulder pads. This creates an off balance costume. It is neither feminine, nor masculine - it's confused, somewhere in the middle. 3) MOst importantly, the suit doesn't attempt to really accentuate the beauty of the human body. Now, without wanting to start a conspiracy theory - Brie Larson is a social justice warrior. Feminist, body positivity, male gaze, whole package. Feminists are known for trying to hide the female body from the sight of men and wear deliberately confusing, neutral clothing and hair - short hair, ugly clothes, masculine makeup, etc...
@Edanurus I think the costume looks the way it does because Miss Larson couldn't keep her ideology to herself. Just for the record, this frumpy gender-neutral suit design isn't a single example - in the upcoming Antman sequel, Evangeline Lilly will look like THIS as the Wasp www.google.com/search Same things as with Captain Marvel. And by the way here's a great image showing the difference between the male and the female body on Miss Lilly and her boyfriend (?) I don't care enough to look it up. i.pinimg.com/.../...a76f0439754db9d8275025eccd.jpg The closer the costume gets to the look of that guy, the more confused the audience will be. Just saying.
Depends on the context and the environment. I remember i was at a club dressed up and everything and I was super pissed because i was waiting for my friends to finally get out so we can leave. I was standing in a corner minding my own buisness and some drunk guy decides he wants to walk into my personal space and tell me i need to smile. I think it’s silly that men think that they can tell a woman what to do with herself. I ignored him and walked away
Having a straight face is kind of my habit lol even though im not in a bad mood.. but i do smile when im talking to someone and is enjoying the company.
Anyway... i dont know why but i like it when a person tells me to smile more. For me, it’s like the person is cheering me up (and it does brighten my mood).. knowing someone wants to see me smile more is quite nice to be honest.
I think its more everyone, men and women, who get told to smile more. I personally hate it when I'm just casually walking by and people say "Smile, it's not that bad"... like wtf, how would you know it's not that bad anyway and yes I can be happy without smiling. It's more of a pet peeve, but some don't think its bad. However I personally never thought of it as sexist
Bro chill. Someone just wants to spread their happiness to you. Don't be a dick head about it. Shit like this is the reason why the world is so hateful nowadays.
@rarelambo I mean I don't get defensive towards them. Instead of telling me to smile directly, why not just smile yourself and say hello, that's what I do, and it always makes them smile. Maybe one of the reasons the world is so hateful nowadays is because some people are casually calling others dick heads.
My face’s default expression is best described as “disgruntled”. Therefore I am frequently told to smile by men and women alike. It’s annoying af, but I don’t feel objectified.
Maybe it’s because I’m male and don’t have experience being objectified myself, but I don’t understand how that passes for objectification and I don’t know how or why a woman would feel differently. If anyone can explain it, I’d be interested to know.
I wouldn't say it's objectification, but how often are men told to smile, be sweet, etc? It plays into the stereotypical gender roles. She was great in the movie whether she smiled or not.
@Edanurus That's what I meant... lol. And That's my point. You are told that. Why? Because of stereotypical gender roles. It's almost like an expectation that men are meant to be constantly scowling because they can't show any emotion. @Lloyd1985 You are and that's great. But you are one man. I've heard many debilitating things told towards men such as "Don't smile/cry/show emotion" as if men are automatons. I know that in certain occupations EVERYONE is told to smile because it is necessary. But otherwise, I hear men being told not to show anything about themselves at all.
Honestly? I think people should do what they want but I find men to be more attractive when they smile. Many women would agree.
@AuroraRoseat But that's untrue, iron Man isn't popular because he's stone faced. It's his charisma. It's not the lack of smiling it's the lack of charisma. I mentioned in another comment how Ronda Rousey was the fan favorite to play her. Because she shows strength and charisma. That's what makes a hero.
The problem with the trailer is she looked like her comic book counterpart and she isn't popular but she's going to be the new leader of the avengers and if she's the same then... she will be hated.
I'm glad you meant trailer but a strong female character with no charisma will just hurt the idea of female superheroes and after Wonder woman I think that captain marvel is going to hurt the cause of female superheroes.
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It is kinda a form of objectification but lots of things are, but this is super dumb what kinda idiots compalin about a super hero not smileing.
This whole thing is daft i am with brie that she shouldn't smile if she don't want to.
And this is definatly harrasment but not sexism. But who ever said that she should smile should get people hating them for been dumb and on the same level as if they were sexist.
What in the fuck? So if a girl tells me I should smile more (which they have many times in my life) that means they're objectifying me? When I tell a girl they should smile more I generally mean that they currently have a somewhat depressing vibe or it's to help them socialize.
Well it is demeaning unless their is a damn good context (i. e. being in a role that requires positive vibes). If someone told me to smile more I would feel like punching them in the face. I smile when I feel happy, and I don't smile when I don't. Telling someone to smile doesn't respect their reasons for not smiling. It turns them into an ornament or a decoration. And yeah, women feel this more accutely than men because they are often ornamentalised.
whatever it is, it's so annoying and done by the most annoying type of men. >.> why would anyone care enough about a stranger's lack of a smile... and then have the audacity to walk up to me with that bull... go step on a lego weird man. Let me walk rbf and all.
I wouldn't usually call it objectification but there is something annoying about it. Why? Why should I smile unless I want to? It's just usually said in a condescending way. Like "you should smile so you look prettier for me!"
No, weirdo. But sometimes, it's not like that at all.
I don't see it as objectification, but I do think it's stupid. I hate it when someone tells me to smile in pictures, especially when they saw only one picture of me. I don't walk around with a smile on my face all day, so I see no point in smiling in every picture, especially if I don't feel like it. Do I have to pretend i'm happy or what? If you take picture of me when I am smiling it's a different thing.
I am like the least PC person ever but I do feel like it's objectifying, like we're supposed to fit into a certain stereotype to be pleasing. I have major resting bitch face & am often told to smile. It's one of the things I hate most. Besides, who just stands around smiling at nothing?
Rolls eyes... everything is the patriarchy nowadays. Photoshopping smiles onto female superheros out of a smiling context is also stupid looking. ... this is just another far reaching idea of oppression that views it through the lense of a one way street. If anyone is 'offended' by being asked to smile, male or female, I hope their single for the rest of their life.
Telling someone to smile in general.
Honestly just fuck off.
I've had people tell me to smile before and I mean, that's like finding a mine and just stepping on it because you fancy it. They're probably not smiling for a reason and you saying "smile" ain't gonna fucking help is it.
God Bless
I mean, I would definitely take it as objectifying if a random street guy comes over and tell me to smile and all in an awkward manner. So yes sometimes it can be objectifying. I actually an going through a terrible time now and if a random dude who belongs in the manhole comes to me telling me to smile I'd punch him in the face tbh.
hi, so is this a photo of Brie? as im unsure as to who she is, if it is her i struggle to support her female objectification issue...
i2.wp.com/.../Brie-Larson-Too-Hot.jpg?w=638&ssl=1
I fully agree with the larson article. I think if you pay attention to who you say needs to smile more it would almost always be to a woman. I know I used to say that... I had a coworker who didn't smile laughed plenty at jokes etc. but honestly it hit me like a ton of bricks that I would never think that of a female coworker
I don't think it's blatant objectification.
However people are mad because they simply cast someone 'plain' looking like Brie Larson and not Kim Kardashian or Jessica Alba to play Captain Marvel.
I mean come on. Can't we have average looking superhero for once? I didn't see anyone raising eyebrow Mark Ruffalo to play Hulk. He's also plain looking 🤷
They cast Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, and it was good.
Jessica Alba is so hot they should have casted her.
People are mad because she doesn't seem heroic. Before the casting it was revealed people wanted Ronda Rousey. She is attractive but not in the slim Barbie doll.
If captian marvel bombs they will blame the fans for being sexist. Not that it was an awful movie (if it is) and they won't stop. She is the next Iron Man. Stronger than the hulk and more moral than Captian America as we've been told. She will be like the Superman movies basically boring and over powered and everyone will kiss her arse.
Brie Larson? Average looking?
So you think THIS woman is average looking?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrmWnFAHYE
She's hot. It's just that she's a crazy SJW, and her costume sucks balls. Plus she can't act for shit. Plus the trailer sucks too. So the only thing we didn't complain about was her physical beauty.
@Benedek38 I don't like agreeing with you because I feel like you take things too far in the other direction but apart from your comment on the costume I can't disagree.
@Edanurus
No offense, but this is Brie Larson in her Captain Marvel costume:
www.primejackets.com/.../...tume-pants-450x577.jpg
And this is a cosplay of Captain Marvel based on her latest comicbook appearances (which I equally hate, but whatever).
i.pinimg.com/.../...fdd1f32a7822015108ff082963.jpg
Which of these looks more like a superhero to you?
@Benedek38 none taken but here's the none prototype costume.
https://goo.gl/images/jx4Y7q
If you look at the difference between say captain America's costume then it's not a lot different. The problem is that the comic book character is god awful and they seem to be following that for the movie.
Seems that link didn't work let's try again
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Eh I give up but I don't think the cosplay you put was better than the blue and red one. The cosplay would look out of place next to the others.
@Benedek38 I didn't say she's plain looking. I said I saw a lot of people complaining that she is. I find her to be far from it. I can't comment on her acting skills because I haven't watched any movie by her and the trailer was too short to make any judgement.
@Edanurus I never said it was better. It was objectively worse in design. But you mentioned Captain America.
Here's his costume.
This is from the set of the first Avengers movie, so this is objectively the worst possible photo - no lighting, no flexing, nothing:
www.mensjournal.com/.../avengers4-5.jpg
Ask yourself: What character trait does the costume enhance?
Answer: Broad shoulders, and build upper body. Typically masculine traits.
@Edanurus Now let's look at Supergirl, an objectively really masculine superhero (very similar to Captain Marvel) in the TV show.
www.fastcosplay.com/.../...tume-deluxe-version.jpg
Eh, it's too "skimpy", you'll just say I am objectifying her.
Oh, but there's EVIL supergirl!
i.pinimg.com/.../...7c9cd00bf530be4ac89c28da39.jpg
Now this surely isn't objectifying anyone.
So, what are the physical traits of the character that the suit enhances?
Wide hips, thin waist, shaped thighs, boobs. Accidentally, characteristics of the FEMALE body. Interesting, eh?
Let's look at Carol Danvers again!
ae01.alicdn.com/.../...tain-Marvel.jpg_640x640.jpg
@Edanurus
1) Spandex beats fake leather. If you want to use leather - either use real leather, or use latex, or spandex, or something form-fitting - this looks like she's covered in the same material used for cheap Chinese Adidas knock-offs.
2) She has decent thighs... but the costume doesn't help a lot with the waist... And she has enormous shoulder pads.
This creates an off balance costume. It is neither feminine, nor masculine - it's confused, somewhere in the middle.
3) MOst importantly, the suit doesn't attempt to really accentuate the beauty of the human body. Now, without wanting to start a conspiracy theory - Brie Larson is a social justice warrior. Feminist, body positivity, male gaze, whole package. Feminists are known for trying to hide the female body from the sight of men and wear deliberately confusing, neutral clothing and hair - short hair, ugly clothes, masculine makeup, etc...
@Edanurus I think the costume looks the way it does because Miss Larson couldn't keep her ideology to herself.
Just for the record, this frumpy gender-neutral suit design isn't a single example - in the upcoming Antman sequel, Evangeline Lilly will look like THIS as the Wasp
www.google.com/search
Same things as with Captain Marvel.
And by the way here's a great image showing the difference between the male and the female body on Miss Lilly and her boyfriend (?) I don't care enough to look it up.
i.pinimg.com/.../...a76f0439754db9d8275025eccd.jpg
The closer the costume gets to the look of that guy, the more confused the audience will be. Just saying.
@Edanurus Ops sorry shitty link:
78.media.tumblr.com/.../...nPmUU1ut162yo1_1280.jpg
Depends on the context and the environment. I remember i was at a club dressed up and everything and I was super pissed because i was waiting for my friends to finally get out so we can leave. I was standing in a corner minding my own buisness and some drunk guy decides he wants to walk into my personal space and tell me i need to smile. I think it’s silly that men think that they can tell a woman what to do with herself. I ignored him and walked away
Having a straight face is kind of my habit lol even though im not in a bad mood.. but i do smile when im talking to someone and is enjoying the company.
Anyway... i dont know why but i like it when a person tells me to smile more. For me, it’s like the person is cheering me up (and it does brighten my mood).. knowing someone wants to see me smile more is quite nice to be honest.
Also... yeah people tell me that often lol🙂
I think its more everyone, men and women, who get told to smile more. I personally hate it when I'm just casually walking by and people say "Smile, it's not that bad"... like wtf, how would you know it's not that bad anyway and yes I can be happy without smiling. It's more of a pet peeve, but some don't think its bad. However I personally never thought of it as sexist
Bro chill. Someone just wants to spread their happiness to you. Don't be a dick head about it. Shit like this is the reason why the world is so hateful nowadays.
@rarelambo I mean I don't get defensive towards them. Instead of telling me to smile directly, why not just smile yourself and say hello, that's what I do, and it always makes them smile. Maybe one of the reasons the world is so hateful nowadays is because some people are casually calling others dick heads.
True.
My face’s default expression is best described as “disgruntled”. Therefore I am frequently told to smile by men and women alike. It’s annoying af, but I don’t feel objectified.
Maybe it’s because I’m male and don’t have experience being objectified myself, but I don’t understand how that passes for objectification and I don’t know how or why a woman would feel differently. If anyone can explain it, I’d be interested to know.
I need a source!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU0uNGUxdyoSmiling women are more socially and biologically acceptable then men. I even saw this video saying that women didn't find smiling men attractive.
That is those women. I find men who give genuine smiles very attractive. That man is very attractive.
At what aspect, smiling or not smiling.
Granted the actor was over doing it on both ends.
To be fair, Ms Marvel (as I knew her growing up) isn't known to be a smiley person, she's a serious person who is known for being to the point.
But I don't understand the sexist aspect to it, nor do I understand why they would complain about her not smiling. The movie has already been filmed.
I wouldn't say it's objectification, but how often are men told to smile, be sweet, etc? It plays into the stereotypical gender roles. She was great in the movie whether she smiled or not.
She was great in the movie that hasn't been released yet? I hope you meant trailer. No men aren't told to smile were told to be stoic.
I'm told all the time.
@Edanurus That's what I meant... lol. And That's my point. You are told that. Why? Because of stereotypical gender roles. It's almost like an expectation that men are meant to be constantly scowling because they can't show any emotion.
@Lloyd1985 You are and that's great. But you are one man. I've heard many debilitating things told towards men such as "Don't smile/cry/show emotion" as if men are automatons. I know that in certain occupations EVERYONE is told to smile because it is necessary. But otherwise, I hear men being told not to show anything about themselves at all.
Honestly? I think people should do what they want but I find men to be more attractive when they smile. Many women would agree.
Growing up the most common line I heard was "stop crying or I will give you something to cry about."
@AuroraRoseat But that's untrue, iron Man isn't popular because he's stone faced. It's his charisma. It's not the lack of smiling it's the lack of charisma. I mentioned in another comment how Ronda Rousey was the fan favorite to play her. Because she shows strength and charisma. That's what makes a hero.
The problem with the trailer is she looked like her comic book counterpart and she isn't popular but she's going to be the new leader of the avengers and if she's the same then... she will be hated.
I'm glad you meant trailer but a strong female character with no charisma will just hurt the idea of female superheroes and after Wonder woman I think that captain marvel is going to hurt the cause of female superheroes.