Why are tolerance supporting progressive liberals often intolerant, regressive and autocratic, especially to more right-leaning views?

I mean, they kinda go against their own mantra.

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  • I think the intolerance toward alt-righters generally is there because of their opinions on certain matters, such as
    -abortion and birth control
    -rape
    -lgbqta+ community
    -women/men

    Their opinions on these matters usually lack any humanity and put the majority of liberals in a box. When one basically claims someone doesn’t deserve to be here, that’s not an opinion any more, thus it’s heavily fought against.

    Acceptance of opinion on simple things is still very much there, liberals are just fed up with their opinions on the big stuff. Those opinions can’t simply be “accepted”.

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    • But I remembered when Liberals were the most free thinking people in society and it makes me sick when I see the current version of Liberals. I thought they were the ultimate "Live and let live" and aren't there to tell you what to do in society. Now its either believe in these things or else you're the absolute skum of the earth. Even if skums of the earth arr skums, they're still human and Americans.

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    • You don't criticise the far left

    • she's just buased as hell. bothe the far right and far left are pieces of shit. but the people on the far rights are smaller in quantity and pose no real threat

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  • I really like the answer @bente2 gave you.

    The German writer Wilhelm Busch once famously said: "tolerance is good - but not towards intolerance."

    The problem with the far-right (or "alt-right" in America) is that they throw comments and statements out there that mainly serve to provoke people, scare people or rile up supporters. Only so they can then turn around and play the innocent victim card.
    For example an alt-righter might say: "I think it's cool that Trump is separating children from their parents. Immigrants are scum and they deserve this." As liberals, we basically have two options in such a situation. Either, we shut up about it and don't respond anything. This approach is highly problematic because it legitimizes the most despicable and odious of views. In the realm of public discourse, tacit disagreement often equals agreement. For example when the Germans cried after WWII: "c'mon everyone! We never liked the nazis! We didn't even know about the concentration camps!" The allies were right to tell them to fuck off. If you didn't like the nazis, then why didn't you ever say something? Why didn't you do something against it before it became so bad? So many insufferable lies and crocodile tears.
    And you know how that famous quote by Martin Niemöller goes: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
    Now, does this mean every alt-right guy is a nazi? Of course not. However, the alt right still spills more than enough odious views and liberals don't want to make the same mistake again.

    So, the other approach is to respond: "fuck you man. That's such a dickish thing to say. Even if you don't like immigrants, you wouldn't have wanted to be separated by your parents as a small child."

    At this, the alt-right guy will then react butthurt and sulky and play the fake victim card: "what? what's your problem? I'm just stating my opinion! Why are you being so mean and oppressive to me?".

    And that's the point. Liberals are very accepting of actual OPINIONS that differ. However, we won't sit idly by as right-wingers say stuff that even conservatives 30 years ago would have considered outrageous and pretend like it's "just another opinion".

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    • There's OPINIONS and then there's "opinions". And to see the difference is very easy for anyone who possesses a healthy dose of common sense. For instance: "there are many decent immigrants but I personally think we should have less of them and make our immigration laws more restrictive because of blah blah blah" is a perfectly fine opinion. On the other hand: "Immigrants come here to rape our women and destroy our countries and we have to fight them in order to prevent white genocide" is just right-wing dumbassery. That's the equivalent of a liberal saying: "we should have a violent communist revolution and kill everyone who earns more than $100,000 a month". Interestingly enough, you don't hear any liberal saying that kind of idiotic stuff or make up lunatic conspiracy theories.

      You can be a conservative/right-winger, that's totally fine. Just don't throw all of your humanity and empathy (which you hopefully have) out of the window.

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    • If you choose to compare your country to regions such as Africa or the Middle East, you clearly lack nuance. I don't know if you're doing this to troll me or because you lack some serious understanding of world history. The two are in no way comparable and I believe you know that. Latvia has never experienced colonialism. Neither has it been bombed back to the Stone Age by large superpowers. Neither is it the hub for drug and human trafficking that the west are consumers of.
      Also, colonialism hasn't ended. Maybe you should inform yourself a bit about all the horrific stuff multinational corporations and western governments do in African and central Asian countries.

      And finally, it is ridiculous to claim that we are not responsible for these problem. Last time I checked, we live in democracies. Americans for instance have chosen time and again to vote warhawks and human rights abusers into office.
      Also, there's a thing called consumerism. Where do you think the cartels sell their drugs?

    • It has experienced colonialism though.

      Though this thing looks like it's going in circles so we should just agree to disagree since I fundamentally disagree with the notion that the people of one country have any responsibility for anyone other than themselves.

  • I recognize the hypocrisy of liberals with their intolerance but, in all fairness, they do not have a monopoly on hypocrisy. The right is hypocritical when they say they want the government out of our personal lives but they want to legislate on issues concerning morality.

    However, in general, it does seem that liberals are very quick to be intolerant, to be self-righteous, and to invoke the justification that - since they are so OBVIOUSLY correct - the end justifies the means and they will do whatever is expedient in accomplishing their objective (e. g., no respect for the orderly process of governance.)

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  • They are mentally unstable

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  • Because one cannot be tolerant of what is wrong. Do you expect us to be tolerant of abuse, slavery and ignorance just because we are open minded?

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    • The fact we are having this discussion is your proof that it's subjective.

    • And who the fuck said I follow tradition? Abortion is following a tradition. Thats pro-life and the churchs stance for eons. So far your logic and reason is about on par with this bird with this birds I just watched fly into a window. And the fact you just assume these things also shows you have no interest in learning why you just want to be right. There are potentially millions of pros and only 1 con.

  • I dont know

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  • They typically can't see the hypocrisy in their own opinions and/or actions

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  • When it comes to the far-right, we're talking about people that want to expell many of my friends and loved ones from the country, and who want to make many more second class citizens or worse. I am up for an open discussion about immigration and LGBT politics, but I will not stand idly by while people organise repression against my friends and loved ones. No, Sir, I will not.

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    • Freedom of expression.

    • @up_64 That freedom applies to me too and gives me the right to protest right-wing bigotry. And freedom of expression does not allow you to establish an anti-immigrant, anti-gay latter day Freikorps. No, Sir, it does not.

  • Being tolerant, progressive, forward thinking, and altruistic does not make you a liberal, it makes you a good human being. While there are some liberals like SJWs that take certain things too far most of the problem that I have with so called "conservative" or right wing people is that the opinions they hold on certain matters are just sometimes ridiculously outdated, overly emotional or hyperbolic and often end in straw man arguments and sometimes just simply mean spirited and egotistical. There is nothing wrong with abortion under the right circumstances, there is nothing wrong with civil rights for all, socialism, supporting and funding STEM programs, color blindness in regards to race, open borders with especially regards to refugees, green and alternative sources for energy, there's nothing wrong with these things. Sometimes people like Trump say things that just blow my mind with how ignorant and outdated they are. When right wing people start seeing how bizarre and out of touch with reality liberal people view some of their beliefs then they will see why we get so defensive

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  • With the rise of feminism, also came the rise of the victimhood complex, which goes directly against America's "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" attitude. Not to mention they are covered in a positive light by the mainstream media so they are used to being agreed with. Not to say there aren't some liberals who can be very respectful and polite, and often denounce the actions of the victimhood mob.

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  • Because they are really National Socialists, but without the Jew-hating associated with the Hitler brand of it. They are statists. They feign the state as knowing what's best for you than you yourself. They are intolerant of any views other than their own. A Conservative or a Libertarian keeps his own views, but listens carefully to those of others and rarely flies off the handle, hence the term Feminazi.

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  • "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." - Karl Popper

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

    Tolerating tendentially intolerant believes just goes against tolerance.

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  • And I also don't understand if they're so. in favor of women's, immigrants and LGBT rights, why do they love Muslims so much?

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  • Well both extremes of the spectrum attracts a similar type of people who are vocal and intolerant
    And while yes it is hypocritical for the side who claims for tolerance to be intolerant but what they are intolerant of is intolerance so it is a bit paradoxical with no "correct answer

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  • Because then their sense of self-righteousness is at risk.

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  • When you're involved in political thinking it's like your just flushing away all your energy on something that cannot be changed. Better to calm your mind, limit external influences, and focus on spiritual cultivation because that's something that can actually create a difference.
    Your opinions, arguments, others oppinions, right and wrong, it's all a waste of energy.

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  • Neither the right or left do very well with dissenting opinions, the left however is much worse in this case

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  • People are tribalistic, and irrationally so. It's not unique to "progressive" liberals. It's an unfortunate element of human nature that we need to rise above.

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  • Well perhaps because the more right-leaning views are fundamentally intolerable? Just a thought.

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  • Because this is what communists like Herbert Marcuse were teaching to their students (who are today our teachers) during the 60's. To be intolerant and violently attack if they have to, anyone who does not agree with their ideas.

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  • Extremists of every kind are inherently hypocritical. It's well past the time to marginalize the freaks and join forces with moderates for positive and meaningful changes.

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  • I'm not a liberal, I'm a communist. I say send all the conservacunts to the gulags.

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    • How unexpected - extreme violence from a communist.

      Ever wonder why it never worked out no matter where it was tried?

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    • Just this month I had people espouse almost the exact same rhetoric in complete seriousness

    • And I've seen nazis and conservatives and alt-righters say stuff like "nuke africa" and "kill liberals" and all that good stuff. Doesn't mean their opinions are popular or even necessarily serious.

  • Because going too far in either direction leads to stupidity. Often loudmouth liberal idealists are really just trying to empower themselves at the expense of others.

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    • Liberals are a bit like the fire following a balloon bursting from a match.

  • Because no matter what they say, they are not actually tolerant.

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  • The views that aren't tolerated aren't "more right-leaning views", they're things like splitting up families looking for help, treating people differently based on the colour of their skin, their sex, or their religion, or marching in the streets shouting Nazi slogans and occasionally killing or shooting at counter-protesters.

    Do you think intolerence should be tolerated? ↗

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  • There's this thing called "lying for political gain"

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  • Because if white cis males aren't their problems then they must learn that they cause their own problems.

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  • Their idea of tolerance doesn't actually mean tolerance of all views, just those that are similar to their own.

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  • We all know tolerance must be made intolerant again.

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  • The left has now come forth with theories that the First Amendment is a dangerous shield for the oppressive, white male #Patriarchy. So much so that the ACLU, which used to defend the free speech rights of some conservatives, no longer does so. It has gone from being a neutral advocate for Constitutional rights to being just another radical, left-wing organization. The present day left has nothing to do with tolerance of views with which they disagree. That's demonstrated by what happens when conservative students on college campuses invite a conservative speaker to speak. They and their Antifa allies intimidate, threaten, assault and attack those who wish to attend and even the speakers themselves.

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  • Because most of their views don't match reality, so if reality isn't what they want and people don't think what they want, they'll force them.

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  • They are intolerant, tribalist autocratic fascists who follow mob rule and have no respect for law and order. They follow a secular religion of big government, which is nothing more than slavery. They like free speech, as long as it is their speech. They like diversity and inclusion, as long as it excludes people who disagree with them. They tend to be emotionally impulsive and not so good at intellectual analysis, with a particular incapacity for multi staged reason. Basically, all the kids from school who cheated on tests and whined about everything being unfair get older but never grow up.

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  • I'm not gonna answer the question rather I'm gonna provide a follow up to the comments and opinions I have been reading.

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    • tolerance means your dad could I voted for Trump your mum could had voted for Hillary your brother who have voted for nobody but you still live under the same roof. I have seen conservatives willing to have dinner with liberals but I have also seen liberals avoiding a simple greeting with conservatives.

    • Tolerance means being tolerant of others opinions, that is to say to not let their opinions influence how you treat them this is something like racism or or discrimination... to not be racist means to not let your behaviour towards others be influenced by the race similarly tolerance means to treat everyone equally irrespective of their opinions let's be honest the left does not treat people who disagree with their ideology the same way they would the people who agree with their ideology.

    • So in short, all the people who have been defending the left are saying nothing but bull shit

  • I have never seen where liberals are intolerant. They are only intolerant against people who are intolerant

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  • bcs they're emotionally sensitive fuckwits who i can't accept the fact that some people have an opposing opinion

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  • I would suggest talking to them before coming to those conclusions because frankly it's ridiculous. The worst place to get information about someone's views is from the people who hate or are competing against them. I know many Republicans and many Democrats and you know the weird thing most of them all have the same views.

    that's like me just going ahead and telling everybody that you like shoving pickles and tuna in your pussy and then when they don't even bother asking you but saw a bunch clip of you saying something about tuna so it doesn't matter if it's true or not they heard you say tuna so it true.

    But it would be much better if they went and asked you.

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