You have a small percent of prisoners who "just messed up," and there is hope for change in them and those that have decided for themselves that they want more---those that try to educate themselves on the inside and such to make use of their time----then there is everyone else where prison is just an extension of their lives on the street and a way station before going right back into it and starting all over again on the outside. It's one of the most frustrating systems on the planet to try to work within because you can spend months working with an individual and turning their life around on the inside, but when they get out, the only place they have to go is straight back into the arms of the people that put them there in the first place or the environment that encouraged them to go down the wrong path. People who don't grow up in those environments think, oh it's so easy to avoid drugs, gangs, crime or why don't they "just go to school," but it's not like 'your' neighborhood. I used to work at a school where I had 3rd graders bringing guns to school---not normal---and yet for them, it was like stage one. There is no one in the home to guide these kids, their environments are absolutely toxic, and they grow up with everyone around them in jail or unavailable and then at 16, 18, 21 when they get caught, society is like, well they had a choice not to do crime. Sure that may be the thing to say, but if you grow up in a gang ridden neighborhood, can you be surprised if that kid grows up to be in a gang?My heart goes out to those who really try to help these kids/adults on the path to rehabilitation because it's an often thankless job where you see the same people back in the system over and over again, but they do it for that 3% that will get out and pack up and start a new life on the right side of the law. Jail is the punishment and if you can save some people, why not at least try.
Why did this get downvote. What did she say that she has to get downvoted
Almost all the responses have downvotes whether they said yea or nay to rehab, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. People feel what they feel and vote how they vote and with no explanation or rebuttable, who knows.
Right, I agree with you. Everyone deserves a chance to turn their life around. Majority won't but there will be some that you can get through to, so to speak.
@Ecologygirl76 You just never know---that person that steps in and tries to change their life may be the absolute first person to ever even try to do so or to help them. A lot of people have that story, where one person took a chance on them and that was all they needed was for someone to care when so many wouldn't or don't.
Everyone is talking out of their asses on this. I've worked in the prison system. 90% of offenders, return to prison. You can't fix them, and they DON'T want you to fix them. Society is a bitch, and they don't want any part of it. Prison is their world, and they are happy to be there. They have Zero responsibilities and they love it. Prisoners don't worry about putting food on the table. Even if they have kids, they don't worry about feeding them, because it's comfortably out of their control. All they have to do is wish things go well for their families, without ever having to do anything themselves. Most all people who are in prison are their for drug related issues. Then the libs cry about that. The prisoners WANT to be in prison, because it's the ONLY way to get off Meth. Treatment, councililing and all the other bullshit, doesn't work. All that is is a money making scheme for the government who pays for it. So until there's a medical cure for drug addiction, just let these people have their alternate world. Don't punish them and don't try to fix them. You're just wasting your time.
@HeyThere94 I worked in the prison system, jack ass. You are some tard on GAG who lives in his mom's basement and thinks they know about life.
Which prison not all prison are the same
@Egoless_M0rtal I'm not talking about Norway! lolI'm talking about America. And you have no idea how well I treated offenders. I'm just trying to explain to you that they view prison as the only society they can function in. They tell me that if they go back out into the reall world, they'll reoffend, because they can' t deal with it. Often times when they get close to their release date, they'll find a way to get in trouble so they can stay incarcerated. I'm not mean to them at all. I'm just telling you how it is. Maybe you can't handle the truth.
Which one did you work at?
Didn't work my mentor and dad took me to these places to see what it is like inside and what happens. Even asylums. While they sat down and talk. Ill listen and learn. When some people was younger the only answer was suicide until we had people to guide them in the right path. With prisoners they can recover and function in society if there someone to show them how to function. Show them the door. Im not looking at any other countries because we do shit differently and seen more stuff than other countries. They can recover its really hard for us to come out of a situation.
You were sentenced to prison?
No i went to learn and study the people in prison and what it is like. I didn't get the full effect only part cause im not in it 24/7
Where I worked they had to attend manditory drug treatment classes and they hated it. They would much rather be watching TV or playing games. I would ask a prisoner what they were going to do when they got out, and most were very honest about it. One guy just flat out told me that the first thing he was going to do was "cook up a batch."I'm not criticizing these people, because I've talked and worked with thousands of them. I've had prisoners ask me if I can extend their time in prison, because they didn't want to leave. That's the part I'm trying to explain, here. But I see some stupid people criticizing me for telling it how it is. Freedom doesn't work for everyone. Along with freedom comes a lot of responsibility. Some people just aren't equiped for that responsibility, and they're greatful to have a home in prison.
Please ignore what he said i just want you to speak freely, you clearly have the experience instead of someone viewing other on they're phone. Your actually taking action and i would love if you speak more and don't let the petty comments get to u.
Is there any type of ways to help these people function or see the light in life. Instead of escaping and running away from something that traumatized them
If your question would have had these three options:1. rehabilitation2. punishment3. alternative societyI would have picked, alternative society. We had one prisoner who was getting close to releasing. My friend, Larry, asked him if he was excited to go back into society. The prisoner got VERY angry, and said: "Prison IS a society, it's just different than YOUR society."That's my only point. It's hard for me to explain this stuff to people who haven't experienced the prison system. So when I talk about it, people just think I'm cold-hearted. I'm really not at all. I just understand how the felons think. They get offended when you try to fix them, because they don't want that. Freedom absolutely terrifies them.
I get it. Thank you.
Where I live, it gets VERY cold in the winter. (a lot of places are like that)If you are homeless, and the shelters are all full, they will turn you away. Your choices then become; freeze to death or commit a crime. If I were in that position, I'd commit a non-violent crime. You will then be kept warm, fed and well cared for. So in that scenario; freedom = death. (and a miserable death, at that)The problem is; where I live, incarceration costs about $50,000 per prisoner, per year. What's the solution? Find and kill the manufacurers of Meth, Cocaine and Heroin. If you could do that, the prisons would be nearly empty. Problem solved.
Wrong pink anon I live with my fiancée
@HeyThere94 Give her my condolences for living with a dunce.
Texas, a conservative state in America is leading the way in rehabilitation. I'm confused why they'd be so stupid to start experimenting with rehabilitation?
@Oram52 Don't feel bad, a lot of people experience confusion.
Take a burgler who robbed or a gangbanger who ganbanged both 1st time offenders who did whay 5because they had no opportunity, get them a GED, teach them a trade that can be used. Tellthem they that what they did was wrong but they can do more and they can change and they likely will. If you teach them a trade to live by and show them the error of their ways, they can easily become and probably will become hardworking citizens who DO pay taxes and can help others not make their mistakes.Now the flipside of that are people like rapists, child molestors, serial killers, who should be thrown away.There are two types of these peopleThe ones who we can turn into productive members of society.And those that are irredeemable
Rehab because i don't believe fighting evil with evil makes the world any better.
Have an opinion?
I think it depends on the crime and sentence. Those who are serving life should be punished. Those who are in for shorter sentences should be rehabilitated, but maybe broken down so that they ar punished to begin with and then their sentence focuses on rehabilitation towards 2nd half.
There are people that go to prison on purpose because it's better than their current living situation. This encourages more crime.
The first purpose of the law is to protect society. The second is to punish the guilty. The third and least important is to rehabilitate the criminal. Given that, punishment must take precedence both as a tool for implementing justice and for the deterrent purpose it serves.It is axiomatic that we shape the law and the law then shapes us. Laws that reinforce order and are strictly enforced help both to protect society and to shape the character of its citizens. Where the law is indulgent the society is apt to be unstable because the rules of society will be uncertain. Prison is an instrument of law and thus a force that helps to shape the character of society. Where punishment is feared and punitive, it has deterrent effect and this adds to social stability. It helps to facilitate a citizenry who are respectful of the law and the institutions of society. That stability, in its turn, will tend to reduce the incidence of crime by giving visible force to society's standards.By contrast, the notion that prison should rehabilitate is based on a presumption that man's flaws are not inherent in himself, but are the fault of society and can be corrected. Given human nature that is a highly dubious proposition.However, even if it assumed that human nature is basically good and that with the right tweaking the prisoner can be shaped into a responsible citizen, the broader societal effect is debilitating. Once crime is defined as caused by society, the individual's sense of responsibility to the broader community is diluted. Replicated on a large scale and the result will be rising crime and a moral relativity that conduces to societal decadence. Indeed, it was no coincidence that crime rates begin to rise in the 1960s and 70s as the social sciences at that time began to teach than man was a victim of his environment and that it was society that was corrupting and not the individual who was corrupt.The effects of such a philosophy of law and punishment were such that crime soared and by the 1970s, one poll showed that 77% of women - and 89% of African-American women - were afraid to walk alone at night in their home neighborhoods. Suffice to say this produced a backlash beginning in the 80s, and particularly with the Crime bill of the 1990s. The resulting crackdown on crime - with an emphasis again on punishment - has led to the current crime rates, which are the lowest since the 1950s.Bottom line and very long way around, while rehabilitation should not be ignored, the focus of prisons should be on punishment and the concomitant sense of justice and the protection of society that it represents. Man is not clay who can be shaped at will according the best intentions of those who would presume to shape it.To start from the premise that rehabilitation is the end purpose of prison is to place a risky bet. That men can be made into angels and that there is no cost to the ethos of the society in making the attempt. The West has been down that road before - and it has not ended well.
But if you remove the criminal tendencies then you remove the and fix the problem. The punishment is being away from those whome they love. Still removing their rights. You can punish and still rehabilitate.
@Egoless_M0rtal No fact begins with "If." The planted axiom is that criminal behavior is in some sense learned and therefore reformable. Yet what we know of human nature is that criminal behavior is spontaneous. If the complex web of social institutions and education and the like has not molded that person into a law abiding citizen, it is - at best - extremely unlikely that a program of rehabilitation will make them into that which a lifetime has not.To be sure, not impossible. There are exceptions and humans are complex. Still, to premise policy on the assumption that humans can be molded into something - as I say - that a lifetime has not made them into already is to put society at risk on a dicey, not to say problematic, proposition.
If i drop this potato feom my roof it will fall. Facts can start with if. And although i see and partially agree with what you are saying. There are a few countries who focus their prisons on a rehabilitation system and their reoffending rate is much lower. Yes, not all people will change for sure. Some dont mind that lifestyle being in and out of jails. And frankly the amendments seem to be altered to fit whatever people want. For example the right to bare arms. In the USA if you are concicred of a felony you lose that right. So they can violate that right for some people but not others? The whole situation is a bit shakey. And maybe they should have parameters to weed out those who dont actually want to have a better life. For example you must be sentenced to at least 5 years. At least 2 of which the inamte must have held a job. They must have no write ups or violations in the last 2 or 3 years etc. But just saying on this guy robbed a bank so we should lock him up. Make it harder for him to get a job, make it harder for him to get a stable housing situation, once released life is so hard for a criminal that the option to survive basically sits on rehabilitation or going back to crime. So why not give them the chance to change? Frankly, i dont think anyone whose never been convicted of a crime should even be commenting in this as most people react with a closed mind. All tbey see is criminal and want them to go away. But the truth is most will be released. Why not give them a chance to get out of crime and not in a way force them back into it.
@Egoless_M0rtal There two problems with your argument. One specific, one general.The specific one is that there is no way to write a law that can anticipate every eventuality and permutation. You may get the hardened criminal who has never held a job in his life and yet who finds his inspiration in a prison rehab program. You may find the hard working guy who went on a crime spree. There is simply no way to write the criminal and sentencing laws - let alone the resources to fund the programs - that can accommodate the complex reality. In the end, law must operate on a certain principle of generality, particularly since the inputs will not always correspond to the outcomes.Secondly, and this relates to the first, what you are asking is for a giant uncontrolled social experiment. You are attempting to define the law in ways that will accommodate the possibility of reform at the cost of the thinning and undermining of the strict rules of conduct on which society depends.Such social experiments - see the 60s and 70s as Exhibit A - typically do not end well. Suffice to say it is asking much to put the whole of social order at risk in the hope - and empirically it amounts to little more than that - that some criminals might be reformed.
Oh one other quick point. I am not sure of your point regarding the analogy to the Second Amendment. If you violate society's laws, your forfeit the rights society confers. There is nothing unusual about that.Anyhow, apologies. I am not clear what you were trying to say there nor of its relevance to the debate between rehabilitation and punishment.
No i am not asking for a social experiement. There are a few counteies that run their prisons this way. And their reoffending rates have dropped significantly. It doesn't matter if its the guy who has never had a job in his life or the guy who went in a crime spree. So no its not a social experiement its a policy already in place (and working successfully) in Other countries. As for the 60s and 70s social experiements the only one i can recall/that sticks out in my head is the one were for i believe 2 weeks they gave hats and sunglass to mock gaurds and oversized tshirts for the mock prisoners. And that social experiement was to see how something simple like a badge can and does change how you feel and act. Not how to run a prison. If you care to send a link to others on specifically running a prison or whatever experiements you're talking about i would love to read them. All i am saying is we as the human race should not be giving up on those with a less the perfect background.Sorry im jumping around on topics. You clearly write much better then myself. Lol all i am trying to say is id be willing to bet that nearly everyone has done something they could have been arrested for but just didn't get caught. In highschool we visited a local jail and numerous gaurds admitted the only difference between som of the gaurds and inmates was the inmates got caught. So you might have people who have been doing terrible things out there. But they had the chance to change their life. Were as the guy who only knows a life of crime just needs to be shown there are other options.
@Egoless_M0rtal Two quick points.First, yes, you are running a social experiment. The whole concept is a social experiment. You are basically putting the whole of society into a petri dish and hoping for a favorable outcome. When I use the term "social experiment," I am not referring to a sociological laboratory experiment, but rather an attempt to change social policy to conform to an untested theory.In that connection, to postulate a policy option on the premise that it worked in another culture is risky at best. Law evolves from the cultural and social context in which it arose. The lessons of what was done, say, in the UK then are not broadly - but only are narrowly - applicable in an American context.As to your last point. Yup. Neither man nor law is perfect, and the reach of the law is relatively narrow. Probably some have gotten away with crimes, but we use the law as an instrument to limit the damage.
And the experiment i mentioned left some participants so scarred they needed psychotherapy and some sued over oain and suffering from being treated like a criminal.If we want to reduce crime, and lower a reoffences obviously locking them up and treating them like animals has not been working. So when is it time to try something new? There should always be a chance for redemption and making life so hard on an 18 year old kid who got in a fight that he can't find a home, or get a job doesn't fix or solve anything except maybe how to increase reoffending and make these people bitter towards the world because they are seen as less then everyone else. So now that 18 year old kid can become homeless and struggle to find a job. So what options does he have?I struggle to see how anyone who thinks locking people in cages is a good thing. So let me ask again its clear that locking these people in a cage for 5,10,15 years at a time doesn't fix the problem. So what solutions would you suggest to help because that 18 year old kid most likely does not deserve to struggle for the rest of his life because of one mistake he made? Or do you truly believe that one mistake defines that person he is no longer a human but labeled as defective and unsafe? We can just forget the second amendment part. I did get a bit off topic. I had a point in my head but i didn't explain it right.
Also how many experiements have been started in otger countries and the idea adopted to work quite well in other places? Lots have. So social or otherwise its just a matter of adopting the idea and yes trying it. But if i treat you nicely, you are likely to treat me nicer. Where as if i sit and make you feel terrible because of a mistake you mad then you're likely to be defensive and defiant towarsa me and anyone who treata you similarly.
We are all people and all deserve to be treared with respect no matter who you are or what youve done (with the exception of child molesters but thats a personal bias) and at the core of whatbhas been proven to work they should be entitled to the same chance as everyone else including their mandatory therapy. I do agree, some people are beyond help. But many are not.
@Egoless_M0rtal Your principles are impeccable but - to quote from Burke - "their abstract perfection is their practical defect."All people may indeed, in principle, be worthy of respect. However, it is in the particulars of their conduct - and of the context of the society in which they find themselves - that they must be judged. What you are demanding is that the social order put itself at risk - with all the casualties, material and moral, that may entail - in the hopes that a theoretical theory can become a practical policy that works as predicted. Your indulgence of the individual singularly may apt to be very costly to the individuals as a group.
I guess after seeing other solutions actuslly work in other places with huge positive affects it just makes me think that there is possibility for it to work. You keep calling the idea of rehabilitation a theory but its not a theory when its been implemented successfully already. Its been proven to work. Not just in one prison in one country but in multiple places in multiple prisons. As for risking society thats why i suggested starting with limitations on who could oarticipate in such a program. Maybe start with low risk offenders, theft, 5th degree assaults (can be charged with for yelling and causing fear). Which wouldn't cost anything but a few moments of time for a prison officials to say yes this person meets the requirements. Anyways i truly appreciate the time talking with you but now its time for work. :( i hope you have a great rest of your day/night depending on where you live. Been a pleasure.
@Egoless_M0rtal Absolutely - a real pleasure chatting with you. I'll forego making counterpoints to your last posting and rather just say that I have enjoyed our discussion immensely. Oh, and don't feel bad. I started in on this with three little ones that I need to help my girlfriend get to bed. I was going to have to beg off on further discussion, too. You just beat me to it.Again, the very best to you.
Prisons on their own are punishment. Restricting a persons movement, and freedoms are punishment. The punishment is already there.Prisons have been built for rehabilitation since the late 1700’s. That’s why their original name was penitentiary. In the 1800’s work programs were started.Here’s the problem, it’s something I know a bit about because I work in these places.To change how a person thinks (rehab), you have to separate the person from the influence. That means individual cells. Allowing them mingle with others allows “inmate rules” and “code” to prevail. They make contacts they can use when they are released. Work programs and education, in their eyes, only help their time go by faster. They don’t want to change under the current system set up.Individual cells, with minimal mixing and contact with other inmates could force mindset change. Work programs and education could actually help change thought process. Currently it doesn’t, because of the inmate code. People want the gang bangers off the streets. Guess what, they link up and gang bang in the prisons.Another problem, money. Education and work programs cost money. Which means more taxes. People don’t want tax increases, they want tax cuts. On average it costs $53,000 per year to house one prisoner. To actually reform a person, it’s going to cost a lot more. Not to mention redesigning current prisons.Before we speak of what we should be doing. You need to know what it’s like to be in prison. To survive, you must do things you never thought you would do. Don’t do them, and the “code” will come after you.You will join a prison gang for your own protection. You will do what that gang says. Don’t, and that same gang will beat, or kill, you. See the need to separate yet?The original crime doesn’t matter. A non-violent burglar can misbehave enough to level up and be housed with violent crime inmates. Guess what type of personality he going to adopt being with these people 24/7?Minimize the interaction through segregation, and the chances drop. Yes, I know the studies of long term isolation. Individual cells is isolation. But, interactions can happen in work programs, and educational classes. Individual cells and extreme small group yard time limits inmate rules and code to take hold.Oh, let’s not forget. The officers who work in these places. They are going to need re-training. We are going to need more of them, with better wages.Let me ask you this. Would you be willing to walk around by yourself with known murderers, who are not restrained, with only a radio? And do it for only $38,000 a year? Oh, and you are on call 24/7, work weekends and holidays, and have vacations canceled due to inmates problems. Let’s also not forget about mandatory training. You also get to deal with dead bodies, blood, infectious diseases, mental disorders, feces, and other glorious such things on a daily basis. Would you do this for $38,000 a year?Breaking the inmate code, and inmate rules is the only way actual reform is going to take place. But, it’s going to cost money. Lots of it.Now, who’s willing to pay for actual reform?
It should be focused on intense labor. 10 hour shifts, 7 days a week. Do that for a few years. It will make them into better men. Some crimes should be instant death. Rehabilitation doesn't work. Its just a great way to waste a lot of time and money.
I'd generally say rehab but it is dependent on the crime. Let me break it down by the different types of crime.Gang/drug-related crime: Rehabilitation would be a good option for many of these crimes since often times people get into this crime due to tough situations and see no other way out. Usually gang or drug related crime isn't done with malevolent intent thus rehabilitation is an option.White collar crime: Well, with this there's usually an intent to do harm or a greedy motivation that would cause this to happen. It's not usually a matter of being in a difficult situation and wanting to get out thus here I think punishment would be a more appropriate focus. Burglary and theft: Many of these crimes aren't done with malicious intent but are done for a motive of self-gain. Thus rehabilitation with a focus on earning the money to pay back what you owe to those against whom the theft took place would I think be an appropriate course of action. Unintentional Crime (such as manslaughter): Hit and runs or serious accidents that result in injury or death don't need some form of rehabilitation because there was no malevolent intent in the first place. Rather I feel a focus on punishment (but for limited time) that would cause a greater appreciation for work and human life would be beneficial. Murder/Rape: These criminals should not be given an chance at rehabilitation. They violated the basic human rights and in doing so have forfeited their own. I believe people who would ever be willing to commit such crimes rightly deserve the death penalty or at the very least lifetime imprisonment with no bail or chance to leave due to good behavior. When it comes down to it, the motivation of prison ought to be to prevent a crime from happening again in the future. If that can be done in a productive and helpful way to the convicts then by all means help them. If it is the kind of crime that isn't going to stop after a little rehab... then it's best not to grant freedom in any way to those who have committed it.
Rehab, 100%. Losing your freedom, pride, years of life, family and getting a bad record is punishment enough. Not to mention dealing with prison culture. Then you have to deal with corporate prisons that are run for profit. Totally fucked up system. In other countries it's actually much worse.
100% agree glad i finally found someone else who thinks rehab is the right course to take. These otger people dont realize if you rehabilitate you reduce the criminal population and this solve many of the problems created by criminals. Simply because someone took the time to help rather then treat them like trash.
Depends. Some crimes you can't get rehabilitated for. Like serial killers. You can't fix them. Once they've killed they will again. Pedophiles you can't fix. They'll always be into kids. Best you can hope for it to teach them not to act on their orges which after they have will be almost impossible. Drugs and pretty shit like that yeah becausehalf the time the ones in there are due to circumstance so they can be fixed
Then kill the ones that can't be fixed and don't waste prison on them.
@HereIbe I disagree. The death sentence is inhumane and cruel
No, it's not. It's swift and gets everything over with instead of imposing the torture of imprisonment for decades. The subhuman scum aren't worthy of entering society EVER, after all. Or are you thinking about using them for forced labor? That might be economically viable.
@HereIbe nope. But I'll never justify the death penalty. Who are we to say who should die? It's basically murder
If we're never going to let them out and not going to work them, just how STUPID are we? That's not punishment, that's a lifetime of food and housing security. Either kill them or work them, or it's a wet dream for them. Why do you adore such people? Why do you want society to be DRAINED by maintaining such subhuman shits for decades? Why do you hate society?
@HereIbe simple. I'm against murder
Prove, conclusively and OBJECTIVELY, that execution is not murder. Show the evidence.
And, again, why do you hate society and love these scum?
@HereIbe lmao why wpuld I prove it's not murder when I stated it was. So stupid
Typographical error, prove that execution IS murder. Cite the hard evidence that it is murder.
@HereIbe you're killing someone... That's the definition of murder
WRONG! You're just a moron. Let me see, some goon is trying to kill my wife. I kill him to stop it. Therefore, according to an UTTER IDIOT (you), I am a MURDERER. Therefore, since I am a murderer, I MUST BE PUNISHED FOR DEFENDING MY WIFE! After all, by the definition used by a TOTAL IDIOT, that's murder!
@HereIbe and that would again be murder. Self defense murder but yes murder non the less. The fast you're so dumb you don't understand a definition is sad
And you wanna be a moron and insult I'll just block your idiot ass
Some people just can't be rehabilitate, so why waste the people's money and efforts trying?If they really want to be rehabilitated, there MANY programs they can attend to get help with that. They just have to know where to look and actually have the true motivation to do it
Rehabillitation is the only real option because its the only option that prevents future crimes, punishment on the other hand not only does not stop past or future crimes but often can increase the likelihood of a crime being commited (recidivism is very high when your not focused on rehabilitiating the person).
Rehab for not violent crimes. Most drug related crimes I think should be reconsidered too. Not only do I think they're unnecessary, but I don't want my tax money going to unnecessarily lock up someone that otherwise is or could lead a productive life.
Case by Case. For Rape, Murder and Fraud it should be exclusively about punishment. In the case of Murder or Rape if they're not getting the death penalty then it should just at a minimum be a harsh punishment. For Fraud, people who had the ability to make a living but chose to screw other people out of money and devastating them financially. They should be punished. Because they actively chose to hurt others. Rehab doesn't benefit society nor is it effective for any of these 3.But if it's a matter of drug crimes, theft, robbery where no one was hurt or things in that realm where no one was physically or seriously financially hurt and in most cases these people ended up doing crimes because of shitty upbringing while in poverty. They should get rehabilitation. Those are the people where society at large would receive the most benefit by them at least going through a process to be rehabilitated. Because they're given an avenue of choice once they get out. For the other 3 they all had a choice and they all did something devastating to others.
Yes. Countries where rehabilitation is the focus have a much lower relapse rate
If you execute them they can't relapse...
Is killing always the answer
Depends. For rapists and pedos. Yes. For pot smokers... Well I wouldn't have jailed them in the first place
I mean I coudn't care less if a pedophile gets killed or not but in reality there is no death sentence for pepphilia anywhere in the world. And they don't get prison for life. So it would be better if they get therapy in prison and found a way to handle their urges
In the Philippines you get killed for being a rapist or pedo
In fact... It should be both. For me, it should be 3 things.Prevention, to stop people before they commit a crime and warn them about what they risk if they do.Punishment, if they commit a crime, because no crime should be left unpunished, otherwise it's the best way to tell criminals there won't be any consequences, and therefore no reason to respect the law.And then rehabilitation, for those who want it, and ONLY those who want it. You can choose, or not, to follow a rehabilitation program, which will provide you what you need to start anew. Program that will be rewarded with a lighter sentence or advantages while you're in jail.If you choose not to follow it, fine, but then if you commit another crime, it will be held against you as an aggravating circumstance. Same if you follow the program, but still commit another crime.People should know there are punishments for their bad actions, but they should also know they have a way of getting out of there faster. Like, ok, you fucked up, and deserve to be punished, but if you show you want to go back on the right path, we'll help you and you'll be rewarded for it.
If you want to reduce the criminal population rehab is the way to go. Look at (i think its sweden or norway) as an example. Their crime rate is so low their prison cells are like mini apartments. And they help them convicts to better themselves. If you treat a criminal like they are trash it doesbt show them there are other ways to live. It doesn't show them that yes they have made poor choices but they dont have to be defined by that.
Rehabilitation obviously. The vast majority of inmates are incarcerated on drug related charges. They need help getting clean and finding stability or else they'll be right back in again.
What's the point of releasing people back into mainstream society when they've been in a hostile environment every single day for I don't know how long? What do you expect them to come out and do? Get a job and live a normal crime free life? They have nothing but crime too turn too...
Rehabilitation is more important. If all you focus on is punishment, then that's saying you don't want that person back in society. If you just want to punish them, they might as well be dead, and that's not the attitude to have.
They need both ! They need to be punished for the wrong or sin that they have done to be in jail over ! However they also need rehab and to learn a trade so that when they are released that they will not be living off of the government any more then necessary ! Then they can get a job once they are released from prison ! Thanks
It depends on the crime and the reasons behind it. A guy who commited crimes because of drugs or alcohol abuse should get rehab. A guy who robbed should be punished.Why? Because robbers are used to easy money. He won't be interested in working his ass off to earn less than what he got while robbing.
So, kill the robbers, then, since they can't be fixed.
@HereIbe You can't kill someone for just stealing. And also there are a tiny % of those who steal that do it because they're desperate.
explain to me what rehabilitation people get in prison.
-_- reread the question. Should prison be a rehab or for punishment
Pretending you can fix people is a waste of time and resources. People need to turn their own lives around. You can only show them the way. You can't force them down it. Prison should focus on neither punishment nor rehab. Just containment. Keep prisoners in prison. Keep them from committing more crimes while in prison. And treat them in a humane manner. That's it. Anything else is wasted dollars.
I voted B but it really should be both. Please answer mine?Guys, Does the second face have "much better" proportions? Which is better looking? ↗
I think there should be two classes of prisons. One where there is punishment for sick irredeemables; and another for people with lesser crimes. I dont believe people should be placed in the same prison. It doesn't no good to try to rehabilitate a person who stole say a shit load of baby formula in a prison full of murderers. Punitive rehabilitation rarely works.
If they are irredeemable, then why not just kill them?
If you go with punishment... public money will be spent to keep them alive.If you go with rehabilitation, they might be able to give something in return to society, specifically the people suffering with the lost.I choose rehabilitation, but If I could choose, I would make a mix out of both.
Rehabilitation is a must... their punishment comes from not being rehabilitated! Everyone deserves a voice and for someone to look into why they did what they did as opposed to licking someone up and treating them like an animal!We all do things wrong on a daily basis...I’m not condoning things like murder etc. But what if that person murdered due to circumstance? Perhaps it was for being in the wrong place at the wrong time... perhaps it was a result of a life long result of abuse/pressure etc.Try rehabilitation first and if there is no remorse or no understanding to why they did what they did then take a view.So many people are innocent and locked up for something they didn’t do or for something that they regret and couldn’t help! It’s such a hard question to answer... but I would always what to know why someone did something
It’s proven over 75% of people incarcerated will be repeat offenders. Factor in how many people are incarcerated due to drugs. Let’s clean up our streets and give those that f’d up a chance at succeeding in society bc majority of people released have a probation officer who only checks in and does random piss test.
Both. I think it leans too heavily on the punishment side of things now. Punishment is necessary when there is a crime, but once a person has paid his or her debt to society, I would hope that they would be rehabilitated enough to be able to start a new life. Right now, there is so little rehabilitation that going to jail can be like a revolving door.
It depends what they did. Crimes against children should be punishment. Weaker crimes should be rehabilitation.
I don't believe in Prison. Prison is pathetic and extremely cruel to lock another human being in cage for 24 hours a day a from their family.A person that does a serious crime should be put death and other crimes not worthy of death they should get a flogged then sent home.
Rehabilitation. The fact they lose their freedom years of their life, contact with the normal world and - depending on the crime - their future life being fucked up, is punishment enough (depends on the crime).
Rehabilitation, because punishment doesn’t seem that effective as a deterrent. A lot of prisoners just end up coming back.
It's a case to case thing.Some criminals cannot be rehabilitated. Serial killers and serial rapists should be put to death. They're a threat to society.On the other hand, a young thief might be rehabilitated (pity theft).
It depends on the crime. Murderers and rapists should get death penalty. Other crimes should get rehabilitation.
Punishment for the serious offenders i. e rapists, murderers, paedophiles etc etc. And rehabilitation for the non serious offenders like drug and gang related, stealing etc.
When i was young i had the philophosy that a just society have no need for punishment, pondering that crime is sprung from injustice today i doubt a perfectly just society would be without meaningful crime.
Two types of prison should existFirst a criminal should be put in a prison with focus on rehabilitation but if they can't be rehabilitated or don't cooperate then move them to a more punishment based one.
More executions. Rehab has been shown to provide minimal change to recidivism. We need to get judges who quit giving offenders a slap on the proverbial wrist.
Rehab is meant to show people how to improve themselves and stay out of trouble. Sounds like a good way to reduce crime once they get out of prison.
I got a lot of downvotes so I'll try to say it better. Punishment informs people that a crime is illegal and has negative consequences. An effective rehab system, if one is made, would help a prisoner understand all of the reasons why what they did was made illegal, help them manage mental and physical illness, and show them how to get back on their feet upon leaving their imprisonment.
If it is just punishment then they are released with anger and will want to have revenge. So they think that they deserve now something special, another crime starts...
Rehabilitation. We are currently suffering the effects of an imprisonment society in which those who are freed must turn to crime since society further punishes them once they are outside. There are better options than prison than can be given for many crimes. The first thing we need to do is redo our corrupt justice systemwww.ted.com/.../adam_foss_a_prosecutor_s_vision_for_a_better_justice_system
Punishment.Our tax dollars pay enough to keep half of them alive that do not deserve to be, they are still living in a nicer enviroment then some people and its sad
See here is the problem with the Tax Dollars argument.Take a burgler who robbed or a gangbanger who ganbanged both 1st time offenders who did whay 5because they had no opportunity, get them a GED, teach them a trade that can be used. Tellthem they that what they did was wrong but they can do more and they can change and they likely will. If you teach them a trade to live by and show them the error of their ways, they can easily become and probably will become hardworking citizens who DO pay taxes and can help others not make their mistakes.Now the flipside of that are people like rapists, child molestors, serial killers, who should be thrown away.There are two types of these peopleThe ones who we can turn into productive members of society.And those that are irredeemable
So, you would have someone put in jail for petty theft be executed, then, since without rehab, he'll just go out and do it again.
I think they should concentrate on punishment in essence that it rehabilitates a person to the point that they would not commit the same offence if they are to re-enter society.
Or angers them to the point that they are ready to move up to some serious revenge against society.
Solitary confinement only let out one hour of time.
Id love to see you do 2 weeks in solitary. Have you ever read a study on what solitary confinement does to the human mind? If someone is sentenced to 2 years for whatever the crime may be. 2 years later they would be (in some cases) mentally unstable and worse then when they went in and then released back into society. That sounds like a good idea to make the general public feel safer.
Well For one I won’t be going prison. Two most people go to prison learn be come worst it is a punishment not a hotel.
Well good then you dont have to deal with the damaging effects of solitary. And im just saying that for short term offenders your solution would literally destroy their mind. And make them more unstable. Your solution would feed into reoffending and make general society more unstable. 10/10 ms or mrs tina
You never know whether you won't go to prison. Studies show that about 10% of people in prison are innocent and are victims of miscarriage of justice. If that happened to you, maybe you would have a different opinion.
@butterfly_ch knows whats up. 💯🔥
Both. Rehab for the good people who made mistakes (eg a kid who stole something for drugs) and punishment for the assholes (eg a serial killer)
exactly, this makes perfect sense, the 20 year old who held up a liquor store out of a lack of options needs to be given something so he has a good chance at life.The serial rapist needs to be thrown in a deep h8oe
@Waffles731 No they both need to be punished what are you a a retard?
@FroztyDaHoMan, and then what, after the punishment, you retard? What happens when you kick the guy back on the streets?
@HereIbe You are pushing for violent criminals to get rehab instead of punishment there is no reasoning with someone like you your IQ is too low
I prefer hands being cut off , so they can't commit crimes again. Cheaper, don't need prisons or guards.
Rehab is bullshit and a waste of time. 76% of all inmates end up back in jail within 5 years. The ones who don't probably simply get smarter so they don't get caught, but they dont change.
You can’t rehabilitate a lot of people in prison. And it should be punishment as well. Fuck these fairies who say otherwise.
Servitude to innocent people. Basically I'd opt for gulags where they work for the rest of society and have to work to sustain themselves.
What good is rehab for one sentenced to life without parole?
I prefer Exile for rapists and murderers to whatever country we are at war with. At a time and place of our choosing. Everyone else gets therapy.
I’m not really in favor of humans giving themselves the “right” to send people to prison in the first place. Freedom is meant to be unbridled and unnatural, it’s not to be given or taken. Individuals thought to be habitually problematic will probably meet a just fate eventually. Or maybe not, who knows. We aren’t meant to be entitled to safety, comfort, happiness, or even just survival, literally no other species of animal is, why should humans be different? We’ve now created a fabricated reality where that can usually be achieved, and it fucks with the natural order, which should always reign supreme over any and all human-centric self-interest. So I’m out on prison, conceptually.
*Freedim is meant to be unbridled and all-natural
Ffs, lmao... FREEDOM*
no point rehabillitating a mass murderer but to show a new life path to a petty criminal is beneficial to society as a whole in the longer term
Punishment for sure I was in jail, I deserved to be punished for the terrible things I did
At of other countries focus on rehabilitation and it seems to work punishment is our country is just free work prison is a business
You rehab the broken, contain the stupid, and punish the pure evil.
One or the other. Doesn't matter which one as long it's not bit everything
Depends on the crime. Murder or sex crimes should be punished. Non violent offenses should be rehabilitated.
If it is all about "punishment", then just kill everyone. "Punishment" only breeds greater contempt for the law and a desire for revenge.
The prison system just doesn't work period and it shows in how many repeat offenders we have
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