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i will miss collecting my state pension and free healthcare because i will have moved to my new home in bulgaria but no longer be able to claim anything from the system i have paid into for so many years.
incidentally medicine and shared european security intell might have been better on the list that stuff we grow and make here anyway
@update... you know chedder, stilton, red leicester, double glouster and alike are home grown dont you? clues in their names lol
Yes there are some good British cheese (real stuff not supermarkets crap) but I do like European cheese too
i will post you some from bulgaria lol
surely us growing our own fruit and veg would actually make it "fresher" then importing it in...
You can grow apples and berries here. Not much other fruit grows tbh.
but who is pulling it out the ground? no brits wanto work in the fields for minimum wage. rather sit at home on the xbox
Unless you do it inside with climate control blah blah but that only raises the price in my opinion
Exactly. How will we cope without avocados
Well they're from Mexico anyway?
@houseofmince youyou need to visit the fields in south lincolnshire matey... leeks, cabbage, cale, calibrise, potatoes, onions, sping onions etc outside to name a few and then vast greenhouses full of tomatoes peppers and strawberries. the problem isn't growing enough food but more about the labour force that crops it
I was talking mainly about fruit tho. I know we can grow a vast range of vegetables. But I meant fruit that just don't have the climate to grow here...
@houseofmince well yeah i guess thats true but given the enviromental cost of induldging in the luxury of exotic fruits i think its about time we grew more at home anyway and given the climate change caused by flying kiwi fruits half way round the world we should be able to grow them here in our gardens soon enough... just another ten years, just another ten years. been saying that since the early 80s. its too late so we may as well cash in on growing bananas in scotland lol
That's your answer I guess. If you can't buy it. May Aswell grow your own. Kinda takes ages to grow shit tho... So I'd just do without.
@houseofmince actually my answer is to fuck off to my place in bulgaria but i was just supplying food for thought if you will excuse the pun
Hahaha fair enough
I don't think you understand the concept of brexit because these poll options make no sense. If they are out of the EU that does not mean they will no longer trade with the EU. It just means they no longer have an EU passport and are free to choose for themselves while having to put up with the EU's tarifs they place on them and potentially EU put up borders. The food may be a bit more expensive after this, but its certainly not going to be gone.
actually i think her options are based on the fact farmers are panicking here because of the labour shortage. we rely on seasonal migrant workers to get our crops out of the ground. i also suspect it was partly tongue in cheek
@wankiam There has been a lot of fear mongering in the UK in general that there would be massive food shortages and they can no longer import food from the EU, etc. The establishment desperately wants people to remain in the totalitarian regime that benefits them so they do everything to try and scare the people enough so that they would win a second referendum. But so far its not working which is why they haven't organized one yet.
yeah some of its fear mongering but can i point out you live in the netherlands and i live right in the very heart of uk food growing countryside where ironically the biggest leave vote was but also which has already started to suffer as migrants go home and farmers can't find labour or have had to double wages which ofcourse we all pay for. i respect what you have seen on the news but im right here in the middle of it so be nice if you could respect my opinion a little more
@wankiam I actually watch the situation around brexit from UK commentators directly not from dutch media. So i have a lot better understanding than the average dutchman. The labor is ultimately up to the UK as they have sovereignty over their own country. If they wish these seasonal laborers to be there they can allow them in the country with a workers visa, they can do the work and they can return. Being out of the EU does not prevent you from doing this unless the EU would be so dystopian it puts up its own iron curtain and doesn't let them leave.
i respect you do that but uk media is just as biased as any other and just as capable of giving a distorted view. if you take the BBC and papers like the daily mail seriously i can see exactly why you see it like you do but i just have to look out the window
incidentally has it stopped taining in the netherlands yet. was pouring down as i drove through last Friday and the roadworks everywhere made it ten times worse
@wankiam I don't take those seriously at all xD. Its all fear mongering which is why i expect the question asker has this view. I know the EU and national politics to a reasonable degree in general. So i can see what would and would not be effected to a reasonable degree which is mostly transport and trade. Its entirely possible you have a local issue with migrant workers returning home but that is not a brexit issue as far as i can judge it because its not a brexit related policy. Its the UK themselves who have the control over this, not the EU (Once seperated as currently the EU forces it down your throat).
thats a whole other issue that you and i have chatted about before and will probably never agree on but the whole fruit and veg and migrant labour issues are happening right now due to brexit... not the policy of brexit im sure. after all no one knows what the fuck it is but its the uncertainty and being made to feel unwelcome that has sent the romanians and bulgarians to look for work in other european nations... hey good for you if you want the price of tulips to go down lol. they could be in a field near you very soon
@wankiam You'd need to look a bit deeper than the service. WHY are the migrants leaving to go to other countries even though they are needed for the work? Is it brexit? Is it uncertainty? Is the EU offering them something the UK is not? Independent countries can have work migration as well so it can't be brexit on its own. It has to be something else that is happening underneath. Like perhaps they will no longer get certain benefits the EU gives them such as being forced to be paid an income for a few months once they leave that gets them trough the winter or they feel there is now a stigma. What i am getting at is that its not a direct issue of brexit but something that can be solved in national policy. So it should not be confused with a downside of brexit since there is no direct correlation to be made to being in the EU and having migrant workers.
as part of the eu we offered freedom of movement. with leaving, we will not so wouldn't you go elswhere if that was you. i see your point and all these things could be sorted over time and yes its all about borders and who runs the borders but to me i dont give a fuck about borders... im european to my core. it needs reform but instead our weak politicians want to jump straight into bed with trump. i can't help that but thank god bulgaria has said all those with property in bulgaria will be welcome. i could have lost my house and future over this... bit more serious than you saving face in a debate so think what you like but im firm in my resolve. its my life, not an interesting news article or an ideology i like the sound of but my whole future which at 52 doesn't need to be so full of this complicated mess when just three years ago it was all so simple
@wankiam The problem is the EU can not be reformed and is actively destroying democracy to form a fascistic super state. This is because the EU is not accountable to the people, they have no real elections. The only people you can choose are the people who are not in power and can merely take a look and make some corrections. Jumping into bed with trump is actually a good thing for the UK as he is trying to completely undo any potential damage the EU could cause your country over this. He is the perfect backup strategy if the EU negotiations fail completely and you'd economy would be booming if you managed to get a superb deal with the US while getting a reasonable deal with the EU.Don't let yourself be so scared about consequences that have nothing to do with a brexit, instead hold your politicans accountable to ensure that the national policy serves your interests. And if migrants are your interest in these farming lands than you'd need a good cheap labor policy for these fields. But if it can be solved by letting locals work there that may not be such a bad idea.
yeah heard that a lot... we fix it by running away? whatever the eu is its better than the other side of the pond and as a little person and not a world leader i have to accept one evil or the other or just go and live off grid in one of the last enclaves of socialism in Europe where the air isn't taxed. spout all the politics or psuedo ideology you like. the other side will do the same and nothing will change but i haven't got time to change the world. you are 25 and think you will live forever but im tired and wanna retire in peace
@wankiam You indeed fix it by running away since you can operate as a sovereign nation and trade with other sovereign nations. Once enough nations have left the EU we can try again and do it TRADE ONLY this time. But a dictatorial super state that does not tolerate any reform can not be fixed, it has to be replaced.
wto rules was shouted over and over again during the whole buildup to the referendum but since trump has shown that trade wars can kill the whole system even those that were shouting it have shut up. plus again these things take years to negotiate
@wankiam Which is why they should have done it 2 years ago, now they are in a hard spot but remaining in the EU is not a good solution.
if done 2 years ago we would now be torn between america and china
None of your 3 first replies apply really and that is why I did not chose any.You will still have fruit, vegetables and wine except you will have to pay duty on it. I believe that there is a big hype about Brexit and the entire aftermath. Look at Switzerland, they were clever enough never to join the EU and their economy is flourishing thanks to bilateral agreements they concluded with the EU.Britain should not be afraid to be blackmailed by the EU for showing courage to abandon a sinking ship.
Lol you can't compare two totally different countries 1:1 like that.
@turd_of_warning I compare 2 different approaches on how to deal with the EU and how one is successful and the other leading into disaster
That assumes the UK would be as successful as Switzerland, had it never joined.
@turd_of_warning Even more because the UK has the weight of close to 67 million vs. barely 8 million for Switzerland.
That's also 67 million it needs to feed, etc. If a large population was an advantage in itself, the Third World would be the First World.
@turd_of_warning and that is exactly what 99.9% of the people make an error with.Go and read about the 3 worlds as they were created during the cold war and you will see that Switzerland, as non aligned country, is a 3rd world country!
What does that have to do with anything? Call it what you want. Population isn't an advantage in itself. Sure, it becomes one in a place like China, where they leverage it through mass education.
@turd_of_warning I'm just stating that the 3 world have absolutely nothing to do with this context.The first world was pro imperial states like the USThe 2nd. world was pro socialist states like the USSRThe 3rd, world was neutral like most African states
Okay, that is interesting. Substitute First World for "rich countries", and Third World for "poor countries", and you get the gist.
@turd_of_warning Of course, that is the new meaning that a few politicians have assigned in the seventies to twist the entire capitalist thing around because who wanted to be considered a 3rd. world country because of the negative connotation associated with it.One can always twist a meaning or signification around to suit one's purpose and that is applicable to everything.
You're not letting this go, are you?
@turd_of_warning How can I let it go if you leave your questions open to replies?I will now conclude you are free to add something if you want.Have a great day
What do you mean exactly, that these goods you list will evaporate from British markets without the EU? I'm pretty sure they have domestic access to fresh fruit.
We have farming here, most of our fruit and veg comes from Africa, South America and the us. Most of our wine comes from Australia, South Africa and Chile.
The Schengen pass. That's my bet.Trade has little to do with Brexit. Britons will still get their fresh fruit, wine, vegetables, crumpets and tea. Life goes on... with less EU political shit. And hopefully less third-world immigrants.I might visit someday, if Brexit happens.
They'll probably miss being able to blame all their screwups on the eeevil EU... Fucking peasants.
That's a bad list as Britain is a very agricultural soceity.Wine is produced all over the world. South America, South Africa, Australia sell more wine than Europe.
Being able to go Amsterdam without all the fucking messing about
Speaking for my Bae, Alistair, I know He would say Fresh Fruit. mmmmxxoo
Bye Britain 😂
It's weird how Britain had those things before joining the EU, even the not being British so they don't give a shit.Crazy.
They aren't leaving Europe... They're leaving the disgusting European Union
Corruption and globalism
Funny that. Lately it has mostly been anti-EU parties swindling with EU funds. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.And ahh... Nothing like resurrecting a Nazi trope for the 21st century. "Globalism" SMH. Maybe you should stop using G@G if you dislike it?
Oh yeah... Because we really need the EU to control the policies of the 'sovereign' countries in Europe... 🙄I bet you, that the "swindling" can't really be considered that anyways...And yeah, there is a difference between healthy internationalism and globalism.
Dude, prior to the EU, European countries were constantly at each others' throats. WW1 & 2 ring a bell? It's honestly breathtaking to hear people disparage it like it was garbage to be dispensed with.Oh, you bet that, do you? So in Denmark, you had a guy from the Danish People's Party who swindled with EU funds. And if you don't believe that, ask his former colleague, from the same party, who blew the whistle on him.In the UK, you have Farage & Co. and all the irregularities in connection with the Brexit referendum.
Belgian economy will be damaged because Britain is such a good trading partner, this Belgium has to get out of the EU too then lol.
I chose this cos the options were limited and it was the best one available for a non drinker 😊
I'm not British and I don't give a shit but probably not being the US's bitch.
I mean, what you state is quite evident of you giving a shit.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard No, that is technically called: "taking the piss".
Yeah sure, if you weren't serious.
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard I do believe that the UK will become more or less an US satellite state and I am quite happy about that.
Well then, a slight shit given at the very least!
@AlexanderBrunnrgaard Yeah but not in the sense of British people' interests.
True. Going to be hard without Polish prostitutes
Can America be next? Lol
Probably the oppression and Muslims attacks
They will still get those. UK Muslim immigration is more driven by the commonwealth laws which are older than the EU laws.
@DDpsy hopefully they get rid of the racists like yourself
They won’t be out of Europe. EU and Europe are not the same things. They also won’t miss any of the things you’re listing, neither does the rest of the countries that aren’t part of the EU, I can assure you.
Are they going to move the UK out of Europe? That sounds like an awful lot of work.
Does leaving the EU mean they will no longer sell you fruit?
Easy travel, sense of union
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