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This is actually on my profile. “Was America Ever Great?In different ways. The biggest issue for me is that we used to lead the world in innovation. Once upon a time we were titans of industry and progress. We were inventors who prided ourselves on achievement, yet today our children laud mediocrity. Academic achievement is spurned. We care more about some little tramp running around and talking about how she's fucking adults, doing drugs, and abusing her mom at thirteen than we care about people like Ruth Lawrence who graduated college at thirteen. This is disgusting. This is disgraceful. This is why our country will fall. P. S. America was never and is not great for ALL people, yet the state of decay and decadence that we are in is so obviously poisonous that I grow more and more depressed every time I hear about who is popular among our nation's youth. (I've had a few drinks, so apologies if I'm a tad emotional)”That covers most of it. The phrase, “Make America Great Again” isn’t referencing a specific point in time, but an attitude and feel of the country that is severely diminished these days. We live in one of the best societies ever created, but were sold a false history by sadists who want us to masochistically flog ourselves over our failures and disregard our monumental accomplishments.
+1 sadist downvote. No self-flagellation from me though 👏👏
"in vino, veritas" and sometimes, speaking TRUTH, needs to be encouraged, by the natural, socially proper ideals.Sometimes, it needs to be said, openly, as the Founders said, setting the course.I agree, with so much, and so much has been lost, for so many reasons, and none are good!I do believe, solidly, We will not Falter, we will not Fail. . . but things must change in the next election.Though it may have changed, over the decades, I do NOT believe that America ever lost the ideal, of being GREAT!!Make America Great, Again, but I say, when did we stop, being 'GREAT', and when was that ideal forgotten, such that we need to bring it back, like some old winter coat, from a closet?
@JackSmy well said. That being the case I couldn’t pinpoint when I think the belief of American exceptionalism deteriorated but it certainly has. People who say or think that’s we need to go around apologizing for the crimes of the past, that the American story is one bereft of any redeeming qualities, we subjugated the natives, then held slaves, then subjugated women and gays, etc. instead of seeing the history of America as one in which we broke the history of the world by extending liberty to all these peoples they view the atrocities as themselves being the story of America.
Yes, the past is past, and any 'Sins' perceived now, were not 'Sins' then. Do we go back, through our history, and 'sanitize' it, and make it gender-neutral, and edit out the crimes, like in Orwell's 1984?What does that accomplish? I think it is WORSE, that living with the history, of those events, the 'crimes' and persecutions, of 'others'! If we re-write history, and wash away, all that, those horrible lessons will be re-lived, in some future date, as nobody will remember, and learn from the horrors of the past!"Those who do not know history, are doomed to repeat it!"
@JackSmy I disagree on that notion. Slavery then was still wrong just like slavery is now (I’m not a moral relativist). The story of America is that we fought and bled to end slavery. The story of America is that we extended the vote to women. “” is that we outlawed the imprisoning of gays. Etc
My point is, that YES, that happened, and YES, it was terrible, but should we try to forget it, and subdue it, and ignore that, those sins of the past, by renaming monuments, lakes, and parks, because some of the ones, they are named for, were part of the culture of that time, but they helped to create our nation, even through those bad times, bad choices, of THAT TIME!!I am, in NO WAY, endorsing or condoning, or even forgiving, things like Slavery, or the persecution of the Native Americans, but it was a different time, and different ideas and beliefs.To suddenly, now, apply our morals, and values to that period in history, and change, anything, of that history is just wrong!Those things happened, and they need to be remembered, as those times, so we can apply better thinking, better values, of now, going forward! We cannot change the past, but only learn from it, and become better, because of the sins, of the past!
@JackSmy ah that makes more sense. I must’ve misread you. I agree.
No worries mate!! I misread often! Easy to do without seeing the person, and the other 80% of communication!
@JackSmy certainly true. Have a good day.
And you too!!
It was great when americans believed in America, before the push towards socialism and the erosion of our constitution. This was large swaths of our history, but their is never one point where it stopped being great, only a slow decline. You also need to understand that flawed as it was, we were still great through out our history because we always strove for what was right and just (even in the very beginning (people like to ignore all the sacrifices we made to end slavery for instance and how long that battle was (starting from the philosophical moving to the political and finally to the physical where many people lost their lives to keep the idea of America alive and to end slavery)). So to answer your question, most of our history we were great but we have started to lose that because people have forgotten what makes us americans, they have forgotten what it means and why its so important (we are the product of the enlightenment period, we exist as the grand experiment, to be held together not by shared culture or heritage but by shared ideas, namely the freedom of the individual and the belief that government is meant to serve the people not the people to serve government (and many do not understand just how revolutionary that notion truly was)).
I think many americans have been exemplary human beings that have made great progress in furthering the enlightenment of our species. America as a country however has a pretty terrible history that people love to white wash. The massacre of native americans, slavery, misogyny, countless wars and conflicts fueled by racist fearmongering and imperialistic greed. To be fair, all countries have histories to be ashamed of because until reletively recently we have been an extremely ignorant and morally disgusting species. You can call america a great country (once trump is impeached or replaced at least) but it isn't a flawless country. Far from it.
The last time America was truly great when FDR was president and helped the world win against Germany and Japan. People had dignity and behaved ethically right toward others and followed laws. Trump is nothing like FDR and is not a gentleman at all. Trump is a pure criminal and will go to jail. More laws broken just the past few days. Lock Trump up!
No one who posts a question like this will accept an answer other than what they want to hear, and that answer is what the media and education system has programmed you to accept.If you ask, "When was America great?," that doesn't prove that America was never great. It only proves that you are ignorant about history.
I never expressed my answer I never said it was never great of when it was... I just wanted to see what people would say
Okay. I do that quite often, myself. I ask a question to prompt a discussion without actually indicating my personal position on an issue.
She is 16 so I don't think she is trying to trigger you or anyone lol
@FroztyDaHoMan I don't get why this guy simply doesbt answer the question. When was America great?
@Prof_Don America was great for most of the 20th century. Didn't you study history?
Seeing your age, I was curious about what first-hand experience or first-hand thoughts. Reading something in a book is one thing but first hand experience is another.But instead you just want to put people down for no reason & behave defensive because a curious teen asked a question. 😑
@Prof_Don There is always an agenda behind such questions. The fact that the sentence ends with a question mark does not mean it is a serious question.
I respect your opinion, but many other users agreed with my assessment of the question.
But u can still inform and educate people... instead of sitting on a metaphorical throne pointing at people referring to them as stupid. That's so toxic.
@Prof_Don Don't be disingenuous! Her question was accompanied by a photo of President Trump wearing a Make America Great Again cap. You won't convince me that this was just a question about history and not a political statement!
Back when we had a much lower crime rate, exponentially lower crime rate, way more educational and economic opportunities, way lower taxes, way higher GDP, way less homelessness, when the value of a dollar was about 20x greater than it is now, a strong military respected and feared by all, back when our infrastructure was being built and maintained, before it all started falling into ruin and disrepair.Back when there was more of a feeling of community, of culture, of camaraderie and fellowship and yes, of patriotism between Americans of all races and genders and religions and people could speak without fear of reprisals for the slightest breach in political correctness.That's mostly what people are referring to when they hearken back to the American golden age. Now if you want a specific date, I would have to say it would be more of a range of dates, because at various times, America has been a better version of it's current self in various ways. Generally people are not referring to one specific version, rather to the best of all previous versions. An idyllic past which may not have ever existed in whole, but which has existed in pieces and parts and could very well be reformed into a new reality.
America's greatness is relative to time and geography. Sure, in certain ways the 1920's-1970's were great, but not so much for Black people generally, for example. America's greatness is evident, but not absolute. We don't have the most transparent government. We don't have the best education system. Our prison system is one of the worst among developed nations. We do however, have the most powerful military in all of history.America has been relatively great in the last few decades in spite of who gets elected to the White House. Do we need to improve? ALWAYS. I just don't agree with this being an-all-or none thing. There's a lot if gray here.
I loved the 20s,30s and 40s. When Americans had great music blues, jazz etc. I don't care about politics at all because USA's presidents always fucked other countries and the most simple example is recently when Trump banned Huawei. I wouldn't care if he just banned Huawei from selling their products in the USA but they also forced companies to not work with Huawei. So Google was forced to not work with Huawei. This affects other countries. America ain't great at all nowadays. All the weird shit I hear in the TV comes from the USA, police brutality, racism, shootings etc. Also their educational system sucks hard and they don't even have free healthcare. Now I'm not hating I'm just saying that USA's government are rotten to the core, years now. It's not people's fault.
The phrase isn't referring so much to a specific point in time it's more of an attitude.Taking us back to when our attitude was positive regarding the country focusing more on the good aspects of our nation as we do live in one other greatest and most free societies in the world. We should be focusing on our accomplishments and the things we've done right rather then repeatedly flogging ourselves over the failures of the past.And really that's what we should be focusing on making our businesses booming enjoying our freedoms such free speech the ability to be able to speak freely and freely share ideas, thoughts and morals, having families and being happy. Not attacking one another other silly notions and ideals perpetrated by naive and idiotic people.
America has been a Superpower for many years! Superpower! perhaps you don’t really understand that so you should look at what makes it so. US GDP dwarfs others, the military is by far the most powerful, the technology leads the world. That is America being great and it is undisputed except for some liberals being snarky... that’s all. But in the ten years prior to Trump the US was on a downward path. The Great Recession took a big toll and a terrible two terms of Obama took its toll, so America was not on the path of greatness anymore. Now we are again!
Seen from a non American point of view, it was just before the discovery of it by the invading troops that came from Europe and started to spoil this pristine continent.It was the time when the First Nations were still walking proud, before the settlers decimated them to steal their land and subject them to alcohol, vices and their lifestyles.It was the time where those First Nation citizens only killed animals for their survival and not for their pleasureThat is when America was great and all political propaganda will never ever make America great again. Not until the First Nations lands are all returned to their rightful owners, full apologies are made and monetary compensations amounting to $ trillions are paid back to the ancestors of these great peoples.In other words, America will never be great again, unfortunately!
America's greatness ended in the summer of 1945. The first atomic war was fought to stop world domination by lunatics with small wee wees. After that, everything became greed based. If you research, you will find that after 1945 the international bankers made a profit no matter what happened on the planet. How's that?
Build the panama canal, sent men to the moon, helped defeat violent, sadistic imperialistic Japan and Germany in the 2nd WW and helped free the concentration camps, one of the most personally generous countries in the world with personal charity contributions of its citizens and aid given by the government, endless contributions of medicine, technology, invention, music, art, literature, its citizens have some of the highest levels of opportunities, people all over the world desire to move here, all people are given equal opportunity and protection under the law, the USA has been one of the top innovators in the world. If you don't think the USA is a great nation. I don't know what to tell you. Good luck finding that mystical utopia place out there with no problems or mistakes.
To all y'all saying how America wasn't great during slavery (trigger warning to all y'all snowflakes):There's a direct distinction between the greatness of America based on a single practice that wasn't great. While slavery is certainly wrong, the use of slaves was a huge help to jumpstart our economy to run plantations, trade and other goods/services that put America on the map. I'm not trying to start a debate on the morality of slavery. It's wrong. Period. I'm not saying it isn't or trying to justify it but historically slaves are what has made countries and empires great. Rome. Egypt. China. Every single one of them used slaves to make what they're known for.
There are a lot of things that has been and still is very good about America. But I'm not getting paid to give you history lessons. Being very good in some aspects also doesn't mean it was perfect, or wasn't awful at times for certain groups in certain states. It's just that the good aspects outweighed the bad and enabled the possibility of progress towards a better future to begin with.
Trump is talking to his older white people when America was controlled by white people---in the 1950s. They love the 50s since women did what men said and brown people were forced to live on the other side of town, work for pennies compared to white people, and did not have equal rights at all. Trump wants to go back to those days.
During WW2, America could have just steeped aside, and let the Nazis and Japanese take over the the world. Instead, America fought a war on TWO fronts, and won. After WW2, America rebuilt the world (including Germany and Japan). America got astronauts to the moon and back, and even the boastful Soviet Union couldn't do that. Most of the foreign aid to third-world countries comes from America.
Only during WWII. Today Americans are lazy but want big paychecks or get rich quick schemes. Morally and ethically, America is not so good now thanks to Trump and needs to get rid of guns that cause much of the violence. The old white people just need to get over that America's demographics are changing and cannot be stopped or turned backwards.
America was great before the Dems invented the phrase..."Student Debt Crisis." Poor planning on YOUR part, doesn't constitute a CRISIS on my part. Exactly HOW drunk and stoned were YOU when you agreed to pay back YOUR loan?
America was great when we were able to make American cars in America. But thanks to ridiculous regulations, and taxing the fuck out of corporations, we no longer have to worry about those great jobs. Now we just need to learn how to make French fries at McDonald's.
If your talking economically America was great from 1945-1975, but they started gloabalizing too much and moved production off shore and nerfd the economy, thatso what I assumed that slogan meant since trump promised to move manufacturing back to the USA (he hasn't even attempted to fill this promise), but if your talking politicaly America's always been great, yes there was fucked up social issues in the past but so did the rest of the world, America's always been one of the most progressive countries in the world with social issues compared to the rest of the world
I'd say the US as a country hit a major slump in mid 2006 and didn't recover from that until early 2017.Although technically speaking, as a society the US has been steadily going downhill since the 1930s with the late 40s/early 50s, and the early 80s as the only positive hiccups. We almost turned around again in the wake of 9/11 but metaphorically cut our own throats in 2006 by resurrecting racial and social divides for basically no reason other than politics.
Depends what you define as greatnessAmerica is certainly the most powerful nation on earth (Although its lost a lot of influence in the past 3 decades)I think it was great at its founding, and until the civil war. After that I think it started going downhill. USA is basically the strong arm of transnational corporations at this point.
America never stopped being great. We had our moments where we've taken a step back but always to take 2 steps forward. The USA is an idea and you can't stop an idea as long as there's faith in it. It's our diversity that makes us strong. People from all over the world with a shared idea. A belief that when you come to America through hard work and perseverance a betyer life can be attained. As long as we never lose that we'll remain great.
I think America was always awesome, while becoming more awesome and when we refer to greatness we refer to boom in prosperity. I think it's hard to argue that 20th century America wasn't pretty damn great as a whole. So much was accomplished in that window of history.
I like to think we're great and always have been. When Trump says "Make America Great Again", he's not talking to the people who made the U. S. great in the first place. He's talking to the folks who have always just kinda been along for the ride since Day 1.
After WW2 was America's golden age in every measurable way, so 50s and 60s. People were happier, unemployment was down, regular jobs paid high enough wages to support a family with only 1 person working, every job offered a pension, people were healthier, social trust existed and the country was safer.The only downside of the time anyone ever mentions is that segregation was still a thing for part of that time, and there was more racism.
Trump made it plain when he meant: The late 1940s and early 1950s. So, total racial segregation, illegal to intermarry in many states--and you went to jail if you had married in a state where it was legal but entered a state where it was illegal, unlimited industrial pollution, etc. were what made America great.
America was great when Truman became president. He brought us out of World War II. Reagan was the best president before Trump. We started going downhill after 9-11. Trump has already made America great again! There are plenty of jobs here, the attack on the coal miners stopped and we’re very wealthy again now.
the answer people who say that are too afraid to say is the days where white men could beat women with no consequence and minorities and women couldn't voteThey have lost the culture war like they have every single time... all they can do now is cry about the good old days
Except that was never ever the case. Ironically that was the case for women though. It was called riding the donkey backwards, if a woman was beaten by a man he would be publically flogged (in fact the last time that happened (the legal public flogging for domestic violence that is) in the US was in Delaware in 1950s (so very much not acceptable for man to beat a woman)) if a woman beat a man however (which statistically far more likely to occur (as 70% of all non reciprocal violence between intimate partners is perpetrated by women against men)), he would be dragged out and publically humiliated for it. As for voting, your aware that it was white (republicans) that gave both minorities and women the right to vote right? Democrats where against that (Women and democrats where the ones who where most opposed to women voting as well (women didn't want to get conscripted like men did (which was the basis for letting them vote to begin with (men didn't get the right to vote until 1863, only 67 years before women). Also your picture is incorrect, democrats where anti race mixing (and truth be told so where a lot of republicans, black and whites as well). They where also the ones who created jim crow laws and where the ones who lynched white republicans (over a thousand) for defending blacks.
To me it feels like it means let's be great again like during key points of time like slavery was abolished or the constitution was writtem.
"Make America great again" is a dogwhistle that translates to "Make America hell again for anyone who isn't a straight white male and/or wealthy".
This video here from Paul Joseph Watson sums up exactly what's great about America and exposes and shuts up ignorant delusional libtard clowns such as yourself.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RX1GhVio4no
When we were winning WWII, then rebuilding Europe and Japan.
Never was. Nothing is great if you think about it. Except maybe me.
Lmfaoo this answer is great😭😂
The 50s, 60s and 90s id say. 50s were the post war boom, 60s advanced civil rights and the moon landing and 90s had a strong economy and predated the ptsd of 911 and all that cames after
NeverAmerica has always had problems, it's never been perfect and it never will.All we can really do is be nice and make life easier for each other.
I think during the 50's and 60's America was far and above every single country in every way possible, that's when the USA was great.
It's still the greatest country that ever existed even if your spoiled privileged ass doesn't understand it.
Spoiled... privileged? Lol Me?😂That’s the funniest shit I’ve heard all day😭
Born in the 2000s in the US... You can bet your ass you are a spoiled privileged ignorant brat compared to most of today's human population.
You don’t even know me? I could be fucking homeless for all you know so stfu and get a life, your a 33 year old man calling a 16 year old girl an ignorant brat and like I said you don’t even know me... so lame🤦🏻♀️
Even that would make you privileged but it's clear that you are probably in a nice place with access to internet and most of the benefits of 21st century US. Assuming anything else would require me to ignore most probabilities. That is ignorance.
Before he was president. Now everyone you meet has a racist mindset for no reason!
In the 50's and 60's. When they had n¡99er slaves doing all the work and raising children/ taking care of the house hold. While dad slept with the secretary at work and mom jumped in side the extra vehicle in order to escape a long day of lounging - Just to go fuck Jim who lived two blocks over.
Depends on if you're on the side of the oppressor or not.
About 30 years ago. Then you ask people 10, 20, 30 years ago when things we're better the answer is still 30 years ago. It's always looking at the past in rose colored glasses.
Eh. It's more a scripture than a slogan. It only means something when the people who have claimed it need it to mean something. And then it can mean whatever they need it to mean.
During the time of slavery. (I'm being sarcastic. I agree, America was never great)
y'all kicked the nazis straight in the vaginas in 1945 !!!
Well, American superstate power peaked during the 50-60 I believe, and the US still possesses the greatest economy and military in the world.
Some girl apparently takes issue with facts.
Well, if America ever collapsed the rest of the worlds economy would, so does that answer your question?
No... I’m asking when was it great!
Always has been, still is.
Even during slavery?
We weren't fully America then- Im talking since we became the #1 economic superpower.
What about segregation that ended in 1954...
I said we were great- not perfect. If you dont like America so much, get out.
Don’t assume shit hun🤦🏻♀️ never said I didn’t like america😭Just don’t like the people...
Maybe for that brief period after 9/11Americans were truly united for the first time, and everyone was friendly and helpful to each other.And patriotic
Always except when Obama was in office.Thats why trumps had to fix it back!.
1930 to the 60s for white people cause they destroyed all the competition in the world like car company's and had the most guns.
When they murdered innocent children in VietnamSick and tired of American imperialism. Leave the planet alone
America was great when Ronald Reagan took over then it started declining now Donald Trump is trying to make it great again he's working on it still
I was wondering the same thing too!
Lol finally someone who agrees with me
To me America was great before LGBT started getting shoved down everyone's throats. I could deal with literally anything else going on but when that happened it was all over.
it wasn't... its a false dream sold on a false past
Before the Hart-Celler act. The Amerindian, slavery, and segregation stuff is exaggerated and a blood libel against white people.
"When was America great?" Well how do you think America became one of the most powerful countries in the world?
A 16 yr old girl probably has so much education on history and such a long memory about how things used to be. Just totally.
JFK's Time, not until criminals in the US Government shot him. The so called Democratic Cabal. Trump has made the choice to take his place and make America Great Again returning power back to the People of America this way.
This is code for before the mass amount of diversity America has... aka when whites were more in power and more in control culturally and politically.
We are 63% of the population, if we wanted to be "in control" we would be. Further more I would point out that racism goes both ways, in fact the largest hate group in the US is the black seperatists, despite the fact that blacks only make up 13% of the population (and are twice as likely to commit a hate crime). But how can you claim that whites are not in control yet still act as if your a victim? Are "minorities" oppressed or aren't they?
@hellionthesagereborn "if we wanted to be 'in control' we would be"The Make America Great Again slogan represents white Americans wanting to seize that control again by rallying their votes behind Trump.
But with that slogan Trump had more blacks and Hispanics voting for him then previous republican presidents? Also all the swing states that voted for Obama also voted for Trump (with the exception of Indiana they voted for Obama twice (Indiana only once))? Why would they be trying to vote in Trump, who has never done a single thing to be viewed as racist nor suggested ever putting into play a racist policy (his "ban" was a temporary hold on 8 muslim nations (and not even the most muslim nations i. e. it had nothing to do with Islam) that would last about six months in an attempt to build a data base in those nations so we could avoid inadvertently letting terrorists into the nation, terrorist who fully admitted they would try to use refuggees as cover for themselves to get into other nations (and have largely succeeded at least in Europe). So according to you, all the people who voted for a black man to be president (twice for the most part) then voted for a gay who is not racist with no racist agenda (who also loaned out his plane to Nelson Mandela a black man whom he didn't even know), who had campaigned in black communities substantially more then not only his opponent but more then democrats had done in decades, who talked to leaders in the black community to try and fix the problems in them, who while being in the spot light for fourty years had never had any one claim he was racist until he ran against the democrats, a man who now has not only the lowest unemployment rates but the highest job participation for blacks blacks have ever seen, and they voted for him because they thought he would make everything racist (even though blacks are twice as likely to commit a hate crime and have the largest hate group in the nation (black seperatists) despite being only 13% of the population)? Seems like a rather ass backwards way of doing things, almost as if that wasn't their goal at all. You sound really racist.
I mean, America itself is pretty garbage. But the people are chill. As long as they aren't racist.
Racism isn’t the only problem here in America
Yeah, but it's one of the biggest problems for me.
I think I can say that and sexism is one of the biggest problems
Oh, I don't deal with that. I'm a man.
@madeline20Give me examples of sexism and racism in the United States, and I'll give you plenty of counterexamples. C'mon!
@Physics-Man wait... are you trying to say America doesn’t have racism and sexism
You're implying that America suffers from these problems to the greatest extent, and I want to provide counterexamples indicating that it's actually the opposite. You're saying that they're America's biggest problems, when they're actually miniscule! Whatever white majority country has ever had a black President, Black Supreme Court Justice, or Adjutant General? Women here obtain college degrees more than men. They have lower suicide and homicide rates, and they are greatly favored in the court; garnering minimal sentences in comparison to those of men for the same crime. Slavery has been outlawed here, compared to the rampant slavery still going on in Africa and the Middle East. Women have more rights here than nearly every other country out there! Look at how terrible it is in the Middle East and Asia! I could go on if you want.Whatever racism or sexism is in this country compares nothing to the BS that is prevalent in every other country. You're over-exagerating it well out if proportions.
@Physics-Man shush child. You're choosing a debate with teenagers.
So America was great during slavery?
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