Would you be disappointed/unhappy even slightly if your son/daughter comes out as gay/lesbian?I'm not asking if you would still love them because I know as a mother you definitely will, but would you feel unhappiness even if only a little amount?
@ThisGuyDucks there would be a sadness as I know it will add an unnecessary difficulty into their lives. I don’t think I’d feel any kind of disappointment, especially not in them but the world isn’t kind, even for something as widespread as homosexuality and I’d never want my babies to experience difficulty based on who they are compared to someone who was straight but the reality is they would
You may have seen that but that don't mean those boys didn't become a faggot in the future though and that is the problem here.
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Baby dolls don't teach them to not act like men. It teaches just like it does with a little girl how to care for something. And to be a good parent to a toy or eventually a real child when they get old enough
@kittycat119 You can teach those same lessons with a puppy or kitten without having the effeminate overtones.
Dolls aren't effeminate though. An action figure is still a doll bit everyone somehow says they're masculine. They're the same basicallu
It's not that deep. My brother used to sit in my room and occasionally play with the dolls I'd play with, we'd make up stories and everythiiing. And you know what? Contrary to your ridiculous belief, he didn't grow up gay or feminine.What is it that women playing with dolls is okay because it'll teach them to be affectionate and caring as a mother, but old men like you don't think men can learn to be caring fathers, similarly? Oh I know, that's just the generation myths you were raised with.
*Why is it
@Cheetah23 Perhaps its because I have seen boys raised by women without a father in the house, being treated like girls instead of boys, and they became either homosexual or effeminate. I don't care whether you believe it.
There's SUUUUCH a large gap between holding a doll and being raised in so many aspects of life completely by one gender. The two do not even compare.
@Cheetah23 Thanks for explaining that difference.
That’s sexist and ignorant. Everybody can do whatever they want. Men do not have to be masculine and women do not have to be feminine. Hell, telling your son no may not do any good. There’s been plenty of men who wanted to play dolls as boys but were forbidden to but still turned out to be feminine no matter what their parents tried to do. That stuff has nothing to do with how you raise them. You are who you are. There’s really nothing wrong with it anyways. You need to let kids express themselves.
Girls can be tomboy or be into boy things and boys can girly or be into girl things. Boys do not have to act like boys and girls do not have to act like men.
Girls don’t have to act like girls***
Also, just because he is playing dolls that doesn’t mean he’s going to be girly
@lynn20012019 Easily triggered, I suppose.
No I just give strong response 🤷🏻♀️
Boys can play with dolls.
@lynn20012019 Right. . . but it's what other people call "triggered."
^Boys DO play with dolls. They just call them action figures lmao.
@Cheetah23 And the play in which boys engage with action figures is vastly different from the play of little girls nurturing dolls.
I don’t see anything wrong a boy playing with dolls.
That's wrong. It not only depends on the individual child, but even if it did, that implies the child would play the same for the opposite sex's dolls too. Play style would not alter with plastic dolls. The reality is that the only difference would be, at most, colour palettes which are proven to not actually change anything (i. e. pink was originally a male colour, it just changed to female's with our society's change in marketing) in upbringing.
Simply put, you're thinking that a doll has more power than it really does. It's a plastic toy, a kid is not going to change playstyles depending on the doll. If that were true, a female would pick up a G. I Joe doll and automatically start imagining up the same things a boy does. But that's not the case. Your personality, your imagination, it doesn't change upon the dolls? will?
Dolls aren't aren't that deep. They're just something to play with at the end of the day and it doesn't make them effeminate.
@CubsterShura My experience tells me otherwise.
Dolls are nowhere near what you experienced though. Letting boys play with some dolls isn't that big of a deal.Plus I've played with my elder brother's old toys when I was little and played video games that my brother and some older male cousins used to play, the violent knes.. Do I look like it's affected me in any way?
I had a doll when I was younger. It hasn’t affected me in any way.
@KarimM @kittycat119 @Cheetah23 @lynn20012019 @CubsterShuraI do not doubt that you sincerely believe what you are stating and that your experiences are consistent with what you have stated. My beliefs are also quite sincere and I have had experience with a friend who was raised with dolls and doing "girly" things; he became a very effeminate adult who is not homosexual but who has not really been comfortable in any version of a traditional heterosexual lifestyle.I am not telling you that you are wrong because your beliefs, of course, must be shaped by your experiences. And, of course, my beliefs must be shaped by my experiences.
That's a fair statement and opinion😊 One more respectable than your initial post, but we all do the same through debates, so👍 Have a good day~
@OlderAndWiser That’s your opinion and I respect that.
You're right with your though
No one should get Barbie dolls 🤦♀️😁
I think that's how homosexual guys end up gay... Not some biological factor in their head they can't change... It's cos they are given something girly at a young age and they grow up down a path of femininity
Also, for all the people saying no way that is for girls, I will teach him other wrs to be a parent.PLAY ACTING is how kids teach themselves how to adapt to the real world. Non supervised self developed play is extremely important fir developing minds. You can’t just tell kids do this and do that. They have to be able to use their own imagination and put pieces together. It’s the same as giving kids play tools where they pretend fix things getting them oriented to using real tools. So it becomes natural. You don’t just give them a diagram in how to be a good handy person bc touching tools will turn them gay. That is absurd. Just like keeping simulation of human baby’s away from boys. Might as well ban them from being anywhere near a puppy. 🤨🤨🤨
Giving a toy is an option not force. And a couple of boys not having interest, doesn’t mean boys in general don’t like to play with dolls. When boys are not made to feel it is wrong, they enjoy it.
@VIVANT Of course not, I'm just saying I wouldn't pressure them to play with it. I have met boys that play with dolls, but they usually make them fight like you do with action figures. Definitely not saying there aren't boys who enjoy that kind of play. If I had kids I'd let them choose what they played with.
And if in the future is gay or have a female personality good for him, I would love him anyway
This weird because I don't want children lol
Just curious why do you think a doll help a girls development and in that case , why not a boy?
@VIVANT i didn't say a doll helps anyones development. What I said was that I would buy toys that help my childs devopment and additionally I will buy things that they are interested in. That can be 2 dfferent types of toys. But that doesn't mean that something they are interested in will be deleopmentally appropriate.
Someone with some sense on here for a change
@TrueAquarius A toddler is starting to create the notion of what they can identify as male and female. If you give him mixed answers, that's what you'll get from him in the future. A confused teen or man that doesn't know how to act. His developing brain should receive proper examples, not the jumbled non-binary that today's society wants to accept as normal.
You are exactly right
Dolls represent babies , responsibility, nurturing , protectiveness, thoughtfulness, organization, planning skills, and even self care~ These capabilities are Necessary function of healthy adult regardless of their sex.
@VIVANT I would not give a male child a doll because then he might turn gay and then I got to kick him the fuck out of the family
@VIVANT I agree, but there are male role models for that. He can learn all of those from his dad, a T. V. show and even playing with his own toys. And @trueaquarius that's taking it a little too far. I would teach my child the same values and ideals I respect, and trust that he learned correctly. But if he chooses something else in the future, I can't help but accept him as he is. I wouldn't kick him out of the house, and I wouldn't reject him for something he can't change or control.
See you can't be easy on someone like that because if someone is gay there is always other ways to fix it I know a guy at my church who put his son through that conversion thing
@TrueAquarius That's absolutely crazy. Do you know how many people have attested that Conversion Camp/ Therapy doesn't work? It simply scars that person for life, and ruins the vision they had of people they thought they could trust. I would never put my child through that. Maybe take them to see a psychologist if they requested to do so, but nothing else. In my opinion, the conversion thing fucks people up more that whatever other trauma they've endured.
Yea that is what the thing is called he said he took his son there for that therapy and it fixed him. I do not know how any of it works I just found out about it like a few weeks ago. He said he caught his son with playgirls and so he used to beat the shit out of his son every night and he still would not stop buying them.
but now it is cool because his son is fixed and he let him enroll back into school for the coming year he had kept him out of school for a year because of these problems
@TrueAquarius That sounds intense. That kid's been through a lot and you're buddy is kinda crazy, if you ask me. Violence has never solved anything. How did he expect the beatings to work? If anything it stets him up as an abusive and intolerant father. It's okay to punish and scold your kids when they've done things wrong, but that's plain abuse.
He said he caught him being a faggot with someone and so he took the phone cord and choked him with it til he turned blue
@TrueAquarius We're living in the 21st century, he needs to get over his homophobia. If his kid is gay there is literally NOTHING he can do to change that. No matter how many times he abuses that poor kid, or takes him to insane therapy, it won't change who he is.
@simplyarandomgirl I live in a mostly Italian area it is an old school mentality around here. Most people who are gay they beat their asses all the time. It is not just this one guy I know it is everyone. Italians in New Jersey are not like other people being gay is the worst disgrace that can be brought on to someone's family and this is why we do not accept it. If I had a gay child I would try anything to fix them including that conversion stuff.
@TrueAquarius Well, that makes a lot of sense. It doesn't make it right, but I understand your mentality now. I wish that kid the best of luck, he's going to need it.
Well he is straight now since he went through the therapy thank god
and because i couldn't play their games without one so i told my mom i needed one.
Coz i don't want to push my own son to be girly.. Or being very pervert when he grows.. I want my kids to grow as normal as can be.. Giving dolls to your son is not normal at all, right?😅😅
I agree with not pushing it on them, but I help my bfs mum who's a child minder. Let me tell you little boys don't care. Saying it's not normal is EXACTLY you forcing onto your son your belief that is isn't... So you're not letting him grow 'normally' unless it suits your gender roles then?
Learning through a doll to be gentle and handle carefully when old enough is never a bad lesson...
We are assuming he asks for it so you are not pushing him. Also even men have caring and feminine sides that need to be nurtured unless you want them to grow up emotionally crippled and damaged. There is nothing wrong in a boy playing with dolls. Unless you ONLY give him girly things but then you're making the same mistake as by ONLY giving him cars and boy things.
I agree with you Cazper. If he won't ask for it, i will never give it.. I won't even get mad if my son for example will go home with dolls.. But i won't buying him dolls unless he asked it.😅
@PondyPand You said on another post that when a girl kicks a guy in the balls so hard he collapses for calling her fat, he deserved it.What do girls deserve when they insult boys? A punch in the face that floors them? A shoe rammed up their vagina?
@Habimwam either comment something relevant or don't comment at all.
@PondyPand So only gus are that worthless. Got it. Girls are too precious for that. They have feelings and a soul, after all. Unlike guys. We REALLY deserve violence, when we say the wrong words. Oh boy do we deserve it.^This is how you know what gender is worth less and hated more than the other in our society.
@Habimwam never said that. Comment something RELEVANT to the post or fuck off please. This also isn't my comment so you're spamming others.
That still doesn't mean your daughter won't buy a truck when she grows up though there is still hope
But the fact is she is all grown up and has never owned a truck only cars but I don’t see what that has to do with any of this
@update... just be aware if you are planning to use the findings from this question to support a theory you would have got much more of a swing to the side of 'its totally wrong' if you had asked the same question in a slightly different way. you see it on here all the time
Crimes against humanity 😔 🤷♀️
@VIVANT It was great. his head would snap just like the real thing. To this day , the noose is still on him.
no he might become a fag
@TrueAquarius what’s wrong with gays?
So what what if they had little sister's and wanted them to be happy
Living proof here people! I bet you didn't become "feminine" like some others here fear their sons to be 😂