Not at all that is sick extremist thinking
Uh huh, being killed by your own mother is still being killed by your own mother regardless of what age it's done
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I meant I don’t think it’s considered murder until the fetus is born.
So it isn't murder when a woman is shot in the belly which terminates the fetus? Fetus means small child in latin to throw it out there.
No I don’t think that’s murder.
How is it not? In the 1st trimester, through the 2nd and 5th week -- heart and brain activity can be observed which is many weeks before abortion is prohibited. Not even a heartbeat will change your mind?
Is a miscarriage considered anything? Do we have funerals for them? Do they have social security numbers? Are they counted in the census? No. Only after they are born. So ask them that.
A miscarriage is terrible thing, do you want to talk to the mourners? Humans don't need social securities or any registration to be called human. That's silly, it's like saying I literally don't exist because I'm not in any system so don't consider me human.
Human or not, I think the woman reserves the right to choose to have an abortion as long as the fetus is still in the womb.
But the fetus (small child) doesn't have a right to live because of an existence on a piece of paper? You need to really contemplate on your morals lady...
I don’t think a fetus should have rights over the woman, no.
She’s the authority.
What about the father who gave the seed to the woman?
I think he can voice what he thinks and how he feels regarding the pregnancy and she can take it into consideration.
But the woman has the final word correct?
That's full on murder though, it just saddens me so much if I'll be honest. I would like to share a video to you from this abortion doctor called Dr. Levatino on YouTube.
I understand that it makes you sad, but this isn’t something that you should be too concerned about.
IT INVOLVES THE TERMINATION OF A HUMAN! The world is terrible!
It is what it is.
You should see Unplanned, the movie. It's medically accurate and based on a true story. I hope that your heart changes soon darling. I'll be praying. God bless!
My heart has went through many changes already, but thanks.
Noooo, your heart can change **completely! I mean you'll be like a new creation, the old is gone and the new is here. Born again! It happened to me!
It might sound preachy but it's completely true and it happened to my parents and I. You gotta repent for your sins and sincerely believe that Christ died for you then trust Him as your Lord and Savior. Then boom, watch the magic happen. You will never be the same again.
How do believe though?
When I was 15 I did it all and everything looked completely different, the trees stretch their arms in praise, the grass is greener and life looks more precious than a million bucks. Oh and of course, your old habits die and you pursue goodness and perfection.
You can’t be perfect no matter what you do.
y'all can stop now. Blowing up my notification. You both made your point. Now move on lol
Okay Asker, but I gotta leave with this alright? If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
You can turn your notifications off I believe, just saying.
I don't really have any answers here, only questions. But what separates, say, a 15-year old who got pregnant, not by rape, but because she had a dumb night out at a party, and got an abortion at the persuasion of all others around her, from a stone-cold murderer? So that's an interesting question to me. I don't have a perfect answer. But it's an interesting question because if I truly believed that mass murder was going on, I really think I'd be spurred into forceful action. But I'm not, for some reason.
Abortion is the child's punishment for a parent`s dumb mistake, how about that.
Have thought about it, and what sort of child gets raised by a retarded pair of parents (or more likely, just one), or gets put in foster care? I know statistically some of them will be just fine, but how many serial killers can you afford in a society?
But you know, like if you want your family to be raped and killed and have their heads chopped off, whatever, go for childhood neglect and abuse. Pro-life! Pro-life! Pro-crime! Pro-rape! Pro-murder! Pro-teenage pregnancy! Pro-serial killers! Pro-crime! Cause that's statistically what happens to unwanted pregnancies when they're forced into fruition and sent to foster care or live a life of childhood neglect and abuse.
My bad for passive-aggressiveness. Sometimes this subject pisses me off a bit. The real problem, in my opinion, is hundreds of thousands of unwanted pregnancies each year in a day of modern birth control. This is retarded. 300+ thousand guys manage to convince dumb girls each year, not ready for a child, to go raw? But I mean once they get pregnant, we're in an SOL situation. You force the girl to give birth and she probably can't take care of the child properly, and there's a non-trivial chance the child turns to crime and the streets and gangs if not worse. If she sends the child to foster care, the chances double to triple. There is no good situation here. The only good situation is that this girl doesn't get pregnant in the first place.
Why do you use animal practices to justify human malice? Lol, animals eat their crap and their dead -- what type of proof is this?
@Jesse0 We are animals dude.Animals also take care of each other, eat, drink and piss like us so.I'd be careful trying to overstep nature as humans arrogantly do.Abortion has been practiced by early tribal humans by consuming certain herbs that terminate early pregnancy.Usually due to shortage on resources.People make it seem like abortion is some horrid man made thing.It occurs naturally. Ya know, in nature. Meaning it's a very normal part of biological life on earth.God made it that way.Murder is killing someone with wicked intent - not terminating a pregnancy because you can't care for the child.If that's the case, I guess God is a murderer right? All the poor little orca and caribou babies he allowed to be aborted.Pro-life is so silly.If you're so pro-life, then you'd easily accept abortion as natural as us having to kill living things to eat.It's a natural occurrence to perpetuate life ultimately.In truth, it's a function of natural selection.NATURAL.Sorry to bust the murder bubble.Soldiers should be tried as murderers- since they kill far more than a developing human.The humans they kill are already born.Why do they receive honor?So hypocritical and arrogant against nature pro-life is.
Are you not much more valuable than the birds of the air? Let's not demean our worth and profess that we and simple minded animals are equal, then use them as evidence. Know your place, mankind has dominion over all creatures of the world. Ya' know adoption is an option? Or is it too painful, so termination ought to be the most convenient path? Give me break, that's murder. You got the definitions of murder and kill twisted by the way. You can't murder animals 😂. Murder only applies to human life, legally or ethically. Which is why I'm preaching against your animal actions justification for humans.
@Jesse0 Murder doesn't apply to animals eh? So then why is a wolf killed or shunned out his pack for killing a pack mate? Orcas turn on traitors, as do elephants and lions.They just dont have a written law like we do ha ha.Murder is murder.A soldier commits murder.Many people in the old testament murdered others for having sex with people from other races for goodness sake. Under Gods command.God naturally makes animals able to abort their children.Thing is, we're trying to say abortion is murder, when really it's no different than a soldier killing in war. How can you justify that vs a homeless woman terminating her pregnancy due to poverty?A 20yr old woman terminating a pregnancy from rape?An older married woman terminating a pregnancy because she has already had 4 children and doesn't want to endanger her body, or simply have another child?Its really not anyone else's place to say.You're not going to have to birth it, feed it, sacrifice for it, and raise it - so why do people think they get to force someone else to do it?Its not murder, it's a choice that determines what someone feels is best for them and their embryo.Adoption is more painful than abortion for many. A lot of people cave and keep the kid, causing the kid to suffer from druggie parents, neglect, poverty and what the parents were going to abort it from.Abortion is a choice as hard as pulling the trigger on some stranger you dont know in war.You know they're alive, but in a particular situation, they come to die.There's so many kids who were put up for adoption, and never adopted either so.What a great life in an orphanage and foster care.Why not home them first, before insisting more be born, just to be dumped into adoption...
Murder is a human concept, when I say YOU cannot murder animals I mean humans cannot murder animals. Humans only kill animals. I would like to also see that verse in the Old Testament as well, I've never seen it when I read it. The world has fallen in evil when mankind sinned, humanity was cursed along with the world in the beginning. Like when you see earthquakes and tsunamis don't expect that to be God's intention. So don't think God designed animals to kill their young.Death in war is a MUCH different scenario than abortion because war can involve protecting your territory and nation, not killing because of the unconvicience of someone.Also, over 98% of all abortions are done because the mothers don't find a child convenient, less than 2% involve rape and incest. EVEN IF the woman was raped why does the child deserve the criminal's punishment? Two wrongs don't make a right. Adoption is an option! Better than death. You seem to forget that it's not the woman's body that's being endangered, it's the child being lead to a fate which they did not get to choose, the women choose to have sex or not! Abortion is murder, end of it. Don't use animals to justify human actions. Life begins in the moment of conception and blah blah.
Inconvenient* Typo 4th paragraph.
@Jesse0 It's in numbers - Numbers 25:1-15God let him shove a spear through their private parts.Also sent a plague on 24,000 of them, that killed them, for sex with the midianites.So why was that justified?Further more, abortion isn't written as a sin in the bible.Christian people overstep God and make up definitions according to their own mind about murder.The Bible does express children as property of their parents as well, as one of Gods priest had his neck broke as a consequence of him not controlling his children.I do believe in God, which is why I know some Bible.Saying abortion is murder, without God supporting that, is made up arrogant Christian bullshit.One soldier kills a thousand in a meaningless war that God DIDN'T command him to do - but he is not a murderer?A couple doesn't want a baby after birth control failure, but that's murder?1 unborn who has no memories, no sense of reality, etc vs 1,000 soldiers FORCED into war on many occasions, especially child soldiers, with memories, realities- etc - being killed.🤨Abortion is a natural occurrence.War is not.And murder is a man made definition.It means killing with wicked intent. WICKED INTENT.Not just the act of killing.A parent aborting a child has no wicked intent. Just doing what's best for their lives - which matters as well.And again - it's sad that people cry pro-life, but are the first ones judging them for having a child they can't care for.God made abortion a natural thing.God never said anything against it.God neither is against nor supports it, since it's a neutral occurring thing in the nature he created.Jesus would have some choice words for the "Christians" protesters outside an abortion clinic.Like s bunch of pharisees ridiculing the prostitute and tax collectors.I may get an abortion, while living a faithful life so.Will God abandon me?Didn't think so.
Even then by law it still isn't unless a state makes it's own laws as far as late term abortion goes. Until the thing is born it is not a person so none of it is murder.
your mother should've done with you too then, yes?
Yeah I wouldn't have known the difference so what would I care?
An unborn baby is only not regarded as a person if you by into the bullshit of it being a part of the woman's body.
@Ámayas_20 It’s not part of the women body, but it isn’t a person.Personhood refer to all the things that deserve moral consideration, while being human is just biological. Now I’m goin to state this: Being human does not mean you are a person. Sounds like I’m terrible, but let me explain.Does the fact that belonging to a certain species mean you deserve moral treatment?
Here let me put this in basic terms for you, the definition of person is ' a human being regarded as an individual' and the definition of personhood is 'the quality or condition of being an individual person' Not things that deserve moral consideration as by that logic animal abuse is perfectly justified.
@Ámayas_20 Lets suppose we go with your definition.Okay, let me put it this way, being human doesn’t mean something deserve moral consideration. The mere fact that something has human DNA doesn’t make it deserve moral consideration. There is a distinction between things that deserve moral consideration and things that are biologically human.
To you yes there is, not to most sane people.
@Ámayas_20 Okay, if the standard for things deserving moral consideration is a reasonable standpoint, give me one good justification for that proposition.
If that standard is merely being a human.
There is no logical justification, it's a moral justification. You're 17 so I get why you're still in that phase a little immature for your age sure but soon you'll realise not everything has perfect moral reasoning. Here I'll give you an example, I'm going to assume you oppose paedophilia, well if a little girl was going to die within the next day what would be the harm in allowing grown men to rape her? It's not as if she'll live anyway or live long enough to experience any severe psychological issues however it's still wrong. Do you understand?
@Ámayas_20 Are you even considering my argument for a moment?According to my moral axiomatic system, it’s still wrong because she hasn’t consented. It isn’t easy trying to have a moral axiomatic system, but the only consistency you could really have is logical consistency. After all, think about every time you take any general moral principle and apply it to real life. You rely on consistent reasoning.Morality itself cannot be derived from nature, from reason. It has to be derived from nonlogical axioms, derived from our subjective emotion. However, when you come up with your axiomatic system, then you could start figuring out the logical consequence of those axioms.
This is what I tried to explain to you not everything has logical reasoning. Grown up and you'll realise that which by the way isn't a dig at your age but your clear lack of life experience I'd say the same if you were 40.
@Ámayas_20 I mean logic itself is just taking statement and finding what they entail. Like if you like chocolate and you like nuts, I might suggest chocolate with nuts in it. It could be used for something as trivial as that. You just take moral principles you have and figure out what they must entail. And if they entail a contradiction, you have a moral dilemma. So you could use logic in moral. It’s not a matter of if I have experience or not. Philosophy isn’t about experience, it’s about thinking, which anyone could do.
so you murder too then, since you have a peepee
Absolutely. Lock me up.
Sure. Death sentence? :)
78th trimester abortion.
Hahaha, i like how you didn't go off. That's good. Shows how mature you are. I respect that :)