I like them both and I agree with Ben on most things including abortion
Good for you
How does he mischaracterize abortion?
@TheKack https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6-SZPaswa08Just as a ps, im not a christian and i still 100% agree with her on this. She lays it out brilliantly and saves pages of digital ink of me explaining the full context.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPof3taFRtoJust for fun. Watch him outright lie😂
Peterson's cider issue is an odd one to say the least.Shapiro used old statistics. Which I think is the biggest detriment to his arguments in that video. That said, I've seen him call out men for having premarital sex and not stepping up in unwanted pregnancies. There are many partial birth abortions that aren't necessary, and I'm of the opinion that a chance at life is better than ending it because of possible complications. And no, he is not a doctor, but he is married to one, and her beliefs mirror his own.
As for my opinion...I'm not saying that everything he says is right, or even correct. I don't think anything anyone says can ever be 100% correct. But I align more with his views than the views of people that have actually advocated and protested for abortion up to birth. For me, it's a weird area.For the laws thing, just to clarify, have a hard limit at the earliest viability date unless it is medically necessary to save the life of the mother. If it is completely a woman's choice, then so is keeping it and the father should be able to A) influence the decision, or B) not be held liable for anything. What I mean is that if men are expected to pay child support to a child that they thought abortion or adoption would have been a better option for, then they should have actual rights during pregnancy. If not, there should be a waiver of parental rights he can sign and be done. And finally, if any taxpayer funds go to those clinics, then I want there to be an interview and intervention process that explains everything in full detail and provides options and support, and I'm all for providing free birth control after that is all done as well. there's no reason it can't be complete and well rounded. Also, why don't we cap the number someone can have if it's not being used as birth control? If someone has two a year or even one a year, several years in a row, there's clearly an issue, isn't there?I say all of this with as open a mind as I can have and I do hope that I'm not offending you too much. I'm just curious about why it can't be a middle of the road issue.
@TheKack i see where you're coming from. My personal opinion isn't too different from yours. And in cases where he isn't distorting the facts i even get where shapiro comes from sometimes. Its a gut wrenching, emotional, extremely complicated and situational subject. No one wants babies or fetuses to be denied a chance, its not a vindictive and malicious agenda to kill the unborn, nature simply throws terrible and tragic circumstances at us and a decision has to be made. The only thing i ask is that people be allowed to make their own decisions which is why im pro choice.
Fair enough. Thanks for having this conversation with me and being candid.
sex is for reproductive purposes. its also not required to live. in another words, sex is a priviledge to be enjoyed when you are ready for kids. people know contraceptives aren't 100% effective and that there is a chance of getting pregnant. Aside from rape/mom's health, abortion shouldn't be allowed since its a result irresponsible behaviour. Doctors should be regulated by their governing body to ensure that rape is only carried out in the two circumstances and should be criminally prosecuted if they do abortion in any other cases.
@June871Uuuhhhhh😬 you wanna maybe look over that last sentence there? Wtf
and the couple (if they perform their own abortion) should be held criminally responsible as well. in akl, dont have sex if you are not ready for a baby.
no i mean every single word.
@June871 Take pretty much everything you said and thats how much of your comment i just disregarded. Your opinion on when or for what purpose i have sex is worthless to me because thats none of your business. You only need to drink a certain amount of water to survive, that gives you ZERO FLIPDICKING RIGHT to tell me when its approriate for me to drink water. I'll drink whenever i feel thirsty and to hell with your protestations of it. At least you make exceptions for rape and the mothers health, which are the only main reasons i want it to be legal as well. Let people make their own choices.
@June871 "Doctors should be regulated by their governing body to ensure that RAPE is only carried out in the two circumstances."You sure you really mean that? Last chance.
omg i dont care if you or anyone else have sex. im not denying anyone freedom to have sex. but accept the consequences of their action without killing someone (or denying life).
Denying life is not remotely the same as killing someone. Drawing that equivocation is the main fallacy that muddies this already nuanced issue.
people have the choice of having sex but not to get abortion. they can give the baby up or raise the baby themselves. there are other options for these babies as well.
Yes there are many options, one of which is abortion. And i i think people should have the choice to decide which option best suits their individual and unique situation medically, financially, and emotionally.
You also didn't adress that you clearly said doctors should rape people, which i still think must be a typo on your part, but jesus christ at least admit it😒
and no i meant "doctors should ensure abortion is carried out in the two circumstances."
denying life may not be bad as murdee but it is still stealing someone's opportunity. stealing is still a crime.
and im saying abortion shouldn't be an option. there should be 2 options. raise the baby or give it up for adoption.and these new changes should also be followed by a new sex ed that emphasizes that sex should be when you are ready for kids. large part of the problem is that people have such a lax view about sex.
Yeah go fuck yourself with all of that i couldnt disagree more.
Jordan Peterson is an absolute sexist and it ruins my opinion of him but today's 3rd wave feminists are absolute cunts that have turned women into ego driven brats that really are contributing anything to the future but hate and arrogance.
Aren't contributing *
Check out how bad he choked up here LMAOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTA2105xumQ&t=399s
@Ad_Quid_Orator I'm much more interested in his sister, Abigail.
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And your idea of an intelligent person is?
Who is a smart person's idea of what a smart person looks like?
@flowerbomb29 Good one. Or something.
You need to work on your insecurities instead of trying to bring this person down. your sad, lonely, disfigured self is not this individuals problem. Work on yourself. You look bad
@flowerbomb29 You need to stop preening and sounding like a blithering idiot. She asked a dumb question, and so was told that she asked a dumb question. This is very simple. Work on yourself. Or, rather, your comments. Keep it relevant. You look bad.
I'm telling the truth but you can't take it because you're insecure, wounded, and unhappy. Focus on fixing yourself and why you feel the need to steal fake profile pics. ok
@flowerbomb29 Ahahahaha oh man you people are hilarious and amazing. Where do you all come from? Seriously. Here, assuming you can read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemGood luck!
No really you need help. you have issues
@flowerbomb29 (pats you on the head) Okay, gal.
Ok boy you're still lonely, insecure, and unattractive hence the fake pic. get help
Wow wow wow turn down the antisemitism/s
@6lacier Just using that word doesn't make it true. They stole the land from the natives.
/s means sarcasm
@6lacier Ok sorry I dont do all the social stuff so I am left behind a lot of the time.
That's fine :)
A debate with Shapiro is useless because it will get nowhere
Left leaners are retarded.