"So am I a bad person because I don't believe without evidence?"Any person working in the justice system worth there salt will say, witness testimony is evidence. I'm going off of my jury duty like 7 years ago on a step dad that had over 50 charges of sexual assault on the 3 step daughters. Us 12 jury members took it vary seriously. The biggest impact was the repetitive nature of the whole thing. The other was opportunity, the larger home size then the girls being more adolescent and challenging and then the down sizing made the incidents decrease.The vagina is vary close to the healing process as the mouth. You get a scratch and it heals next day in a half. So you are not going to have much physical evidence and with our current stigma of being called liar or a whore you won't even have people having cum dripping out of them looking for help.
Also about my jury duty, we 12 jury founded not guilty around 10 changes because we couldn't make heads or tails on them and by our legal system not guilty. We all slammed our heads on the table looking for a way out but all look at the same thing. It was heartbreaking for us, we all looked for the way out of finding not guilty but we all ended in the same place of guilty. I was the Forman of the jury and the person saying a vote not
Believing winen with no evidence doesn't give me a reason to give a false testimony
OppsI was the Forman of the jury and the person calling for the vote that signed the papers. "Not guilty" jury raises a hand, "guilty" jury raises a hand. We had a few in a row of guilty so i changed the order "guilty" vote, " not guilty" vote and they all called me out emiditly on the first run. Nothing was taken for granted.
What is winen?
Not emiditly but immediately opps
Like i said before any person working in the justice system that passed the BAR will say testimony is a form of evidence. I already gave my stance on physical evidence from what i learned being a jury and why people don't seek help being called liars when they have dna evidence dripping out of them.
Testimony is an evidence but how is anyone's belief an evidence?
@nault- I believe you have something worthwhile to say but looking at all of your replies right here it’s confusing you’re talking about jury duty and I don’t know why it has anything to do with this issue so I’m gonna read it again and hopefully I’ll make some sense of it if you’d like to explain it would be good to
@Girther10 jury duty was my personal first hand experience and how i came to my personal beliefs on the metoo movement. i was also 19 and growing into myself who i am currently. On top of that i don't want to be the random guy who know the ins and outs of vagina trauma and how it heals, i learned that in my jury duty and was important to the case *cough cough* and not from any personal experiences or even a doctor because I'm not.The really big thing was false reports and a jury perspective was a valuable insight i felt for this. We did not assume anything in my experience. It was a long trial and we reheard every person's testimony again and called for every charge separately not impacting any other charges. If a change was in any question of any details that didn't make sense it was "not guilty."It was pretty big news locally and some bit on the internet but all jury was clueless for the trial even after having police escorts. I got curious and did some digging after everything was said and done. "Daddy's worm" if you want to follow a dark trail of the internet.
The asker thinks every women claiming to rape is faking it
@NorthwestRider Quote me where I said EVERY woman
Laws are not about believing but proving.
Yeah but what about those poor woman that have been raped? And nobody believes them because there is no "proof" and then the rapist can just walk round freely
You can send someone to jail with no evidence.
Can't not can
In response to the update of the question, I would still believe the victim
Would you give testimony based on your belief?
No, I never said anything about testifying, prison, law's etc. This is about supporting a victim, not about sending anyone to jail. Stop putting words in my mouth. The "me too" movement is literally in support of victims okay?
So just words. I believe you're raped.
@marish01 how about I ask you this. How would you feel if you got violently raped, had no proof and no one believed you?
I would understand that people (who don't know me) shouldn't believe me as there is no evidence.
I think you would feel differently about that if you were actually in that position.
What would strangers' belief do to me?
The point of the "me too" movement is for the victims to feel support and not alone. But I'm done with this pointless conversation with you. You literally posted a question asking for poeples opinions on it, then continue to argue with anyone who disagrees with you. So mature 🤦🏻♀️
I wanted to debate.I don't believe strangers nor do I expect them to believe me.
If there is no evidence of rape should the woman's claim of rape be enough to sentence him?
I told you I'm done with this pointless conversation.
I knew you would avoid answering my question
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I would not hire women in my work unless I am extremely desperate which I am not😬.It is better to have segregated workplaces and I found it the hard way. Girls at university were such jerks they seducing the teachers and the Ace guy to get their assignments done.
@AmeerX Yeah thats what women do. If you tell any guy to do a job for free or a special favour he will tell you to fuck off. Of course if you offer money he'll get the job done nicely and on time.Women will flash their boobs, send a few nudes maybe even give a blow job and soon they'll have a thousand orbiters offering free help.
True for many of them
Exactly, my thoughts too.
They tell us to believe women no matter what
Which is stupid. You can't expect justice without evidence.
Due process. Without it, you have no #metoo...
How believing women without evidence stops rape?
Do you support men raping women?You must be catfish or a woman who believes that men have the right to rape women
You are being irrational snd you know itWould you be fine if I accused you of rape?
Where are you from?Saudi Arabia where women are brainwashed
So if I accused you of rape, you would still be fine with facing thd consequences of it.
Do you always side with the rapists and think men can do everything to a woman even if it was illegal?
If a woman falsely accuses you of rape will yoi still tell people to believe her?
I think I'm stupider just from reading your comments norwestrider, a truly remarkable lack of any critical thinking ability shown.
@Trolloween Lol that's cute, why religious conservatives are always annoying?
Are you calling me a religious Conservative or are you saying you are one and you're also annoying? I don't have any idea why it would be relevant either way but for the record you're wrong if you're trying to describe me
Another excuse for bashing religion. And you never answered my question
Do you have any proof that # metoo has prevented even one rape?
@North- your arguments consistently reflect total ignorance to common public discourse, by making broad sweeping conclusions that are increasingly laughable. You are what they teach in law classes, what NOT to do.., lol
What is good about believing women without proof?
The asker thinks every women claiming to be rape is faking it
@NorthwestRider instead of repeating the same shit go back to our conversation thread
It’s not always without proof. There’s a lot of people who have a ton of evidence hanging over their head who are finally getting what they deserve thanks to this movement. For example, R. Kelly. I don’t think anyone can deny at this point all of the shit he’s done.
And if there is lack of evdence then what?
Look for more evidence.
More evidence when there is no evidnce?
You gotta keep looking. I don’t know what the solution is, to be honest. As for the update, it’s not about believing woman at every stop, it’s about actually looking into the accusations that people have made against others for sexual assault. Gender doesn’t matter. A woman is capable of raping someone.